BTT Pad 7 - FULL Klipper But It's Not Easy!
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2023
- 2023 has become the year of the Klipper Pad.
With many new machines being released with Klipper control baked in, those of us with Marlin controlled machines might start feeling like we're being left behind.
That doesn't have to be the case though. Klipper can be added to pretty much any machine with some additional hardware. Arguably the easiest way to add Klipper control is with what has come to be known as a klipper Pad.
The Pad 7 is the latest Klipper Pad and has some great features.
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I have the BTT Pad 7 and love it. But...the only reason I bought it over the sonic pad is that my wife is a software engineer and I knew she would be able to configure it for me.
I wanna be a swe 💪
I remember initially I couldn't run the accelerometer, so repeatedly I flashed the BTT file; repeatedly installed Kiauh to reinstall mainsail, moonrakern klipperscreen; and after six tries could not install the accelerometer via the terminal, possibly because there was no Pi. Finally I flashed the BTT file, and the accelerometer worked. I have the pad wired directly to the 24V printer power supply using the barrel plug BTT provides.
I tossed my acceleromometer in the junk drawer after not understanding how to set it up I keep geting there new version everythime I loomed it up kinda gave up with it runs fine for me with out it
I am glad to have stuck with the SonicPad - Even after reading all the negative comments about it that it's locked down and not "full Klipper".
After your videos, my Ender 3 S1 Pro is just amazing and this video here confirmed my suspicions that a "real Klipper" is costing me to much time.
I'm pretty affirmed with Linux, rPi and all the config and SSH stuff - but compiling your own firmware and getting that stuff online - Sorry this is just too involved for my liking.
I love to tinker and experiment with bleeding Edge. But I am not even printing for one full year and this would suck the fun out of 3D Printing for me.
If I want to get heavier involved in Klipper, I need a seperate machine to tinker on or grab one of the new fangled ones that already come fully built in with Klipper in the first place.
Great video as always. Thanks for all the effort you go through!
Yea at a certain point it gets crazy. Time is money.
Running a trident here and have absolutely no use for a pad, but this is an outstanding review!
I purchased the Sonic Pad because i wanted an entry level device to klipper. My problem with the sonic pad was sometimes klipper related other times device related. Usb issues and then when the update came along and i had both my printers dialed in. No more dialed in and had to start over. So i installed linux on a touchscreen computer and i'm back up and running. Not sure there is a benefit to these pad units when you can use the laptop to not only control the printer, but also, find the downloads and documentation. I was considering a pad 7, but i think i'll continue with learning klipper on the laptop. Until these Co. figure out where this is all headed. Another, Great, Informative video. Thanks Rickey.
Great video. You really highlight the difficulties of setting up klipper. I am currently using an Orange Pi 3 LTS, my original 8-bit Ender 3 Pro board, and a fairly inexpensive HDMI/USB Touch screen for klipper. I have not connected it to my printer yet hince my using the 8-bit board. It is basically working though I haven't figured out how to configure klipper to work with my printer yet since my Ender 3 Pro is heavily modified.
I recently discovered that Microswiss hotend/extruder cannot handle high print speeds. It would not make much since to use klipper on it before fixing this issue. So, I am looking at possibly buying a Titan hotend/extruder for it.
I really liked your testing with the Sunlu S1. Sunlu released an improved version, the S2, about a year ago. Perhaps it would make a great video seeing how the S2 improved over the S1 and/or how to improve the S2. (I believe getting the moisture out is still a problem) With the S2 there are now two heaters surrounding the entire spool and maybe the insulation properties also improved but I am unsure about that. Cheers!
I was new to Klipper and took the risk with the Pad 7, over the Sonic Pad. I installed it on my E5 S1 and had a pretty ok journey setting it up, using much of the same YT resources as here. My only issue with the Pad 7 is the Wifi. It seems there could be an issue with poor antenna quality, or in some cases not it's not been connected correctly. I really like the Pad and Klipper has changed my life hahaha! Even as noob with Klipper myself. I do feel the set up of the Pad 7 although not "plug and play". Will help in your journey to both understand Klipper better, and make the most out of it. Loved the video as always.
Sounds like you had a similar experience to me. Glad it seems you are happy with yours now.
I am getting nothing but troubles with mine as there is no complete newbie setup, I mean newbie as someone who don't know about ssh and all that 🤦♂️ sure wish there was more help and support
Another great Vid Ricky, thank you but, Holy Crap !! What a Ball Ache. I'm running the Sonic Pad for my S1 Pro and 2 E3 V2's with great success thanks to your Sonic Pad series of Videos (again, thank you). Really can't see what additional benefit (in terms of print quality) you get by going down the BTT route in comparison to the Sonic Pad 'plug n play' (well nearly) ease of use ?
BTW, where did you get the Dragon STL ? Wouldn't mind having a bash at that ?
Keep em coming........
Yeah, it easy a lot of messing around. This is the dragon print cults3d.com/:1179405
Oh Boy ! Right off the bat I am an old dinosaur meaning it's a miracle I can operate these new Iphones. Thanks for sharing and great job.
If you buy it I could help you through discord or something, I'm fairly tech savvy
@@alex59292 Appreciate that I will keep this in mind, thank you.
i have klipper experience and just ordered the pad because its a nice all in one package i can hook up my 3 printers to control them all from a single unit
I wonder if the later shifts are caused by the week processor. There is a screen in the web interface that shows the resource usage. I wonder if an upgrade to a cm4 would be helpful if it is.
Well I dipped my toe in the murky waters of the pad 7, your video remains pretty current and unboxing is quite the surprise with its total and complete lack of anything that might point you in the right direction. Next port of call is to google and find the manual, although this is a load of dingo's kidneys as well! So have followed the instruction I found to the letter and yes, no joy as yet. Then I spent an unreasonable amount of time trying to get the web interface back up. Am not giving up just yet, but it could well be a no from me!
Yeah this maybe what I am waiting for..BTT pad7..hopefully will klipperize my printers 😂. Thank you for sharing this info s.
Can't wait for mine tomorrow. It'll be controlling an flsun q5 and sovol sv05... MAYBE a geeetech a10t, if I can get it working properly. I'll definitely start doing print livestreams and time lapses. Exciting 😂
Hi Ricky, been following your videos for a while now and they are really amazing please keep up the good work.
Would you be able to do a Nozzle changing video for your Ender 3 S1 Pro, with the direct drive? I've seen your video for the Ender 3 v2 with the bowden tube where you dont fully tighten the nozzle and then push the tube down fully and then fully tighten the nozzle. Just wondering what the procedure is for the S1 Sprite.
Many thanks
Russ
Hi Russ, it's much simpler with the Sprite hotend as there is no bowden tube to push through. Basically, just make sure it's hot, hold the heat block still and tighten/losses the nozzle. Hope this helps.
@@RickyImpey Thanks a lot 🙂
What is the make menuconfig supposed to look like?
I just got the BTT Pad 7, I ordered it even though I not a expert in the system it uses! But I am sure I work through it with help from online channels etc.?
I went for this Pad 7 instead of the Creality Sonic Pad because the Creality unit has been found to be a a huge pain when it comes down to using
NON- Creality printers as many channels have said? Seems that Creality only expect their own printers to use it
and the other companies printers can get lost! So hard as it is, I picked the BTT pad 7.
I have the Elegoo Neptune 3 Max, and the only two things I wished it had was a all metal 300 C hot end and a Klipper control.
And just now I found out that Elegoo will be releasing a Neptune 4 Plus and Max with Klipper and all metal hot end of 300 C.
The same cost for the new Neptune 4 Max as mine cost directly from Elegoo of $470. the plus is also the same as the Neptune 3 Plus of $350.
If only I known that they do them I would have got the new Neptune 4 Max instead?
They are taking pre-orders of the two new klipper versions from the 23rd September.
I will not pay again for the new Neptune 4 Max as I not made of money! It took me sometime to save to get the Neptune 3 Max.
As for the guide to set this pad 7 up, the Auroura Tech guide was run through far too fast with missing information, Which I did say to her about?
Good guide it would be but only if they do it slower and show the steps better! She seems to rush through the steps and not show the way it was set?
And there is far too few help simple step up clear online guides around sadly! Bad enough the UK customs and parcel force mucked me around when
the BTT Pad 7 got here from thee EU sending country of Germany. it took me also 30 days to get the pad 7 delivered and cost me £32.34p in import fees. for a goods price of £109.00p.
I will have to now try and get the UK Customs of HMRC to pay me back the import fee because their own payment page states
if the imported EU goods are costing below £135 they can't charge any fee to import it? So they charged me when they should not have done so!
My Advice to all living in the UK don't order the Pad 7 to be sent here from any of the EU or they will charge you for the import even like me where they should not have done?
If like me you order it directly from BTT, pick any other country from their list of depots around the world. Because that import fee for only EU to UK is a new law just set this year.
Rick, again, outstanding video and info.
As a relative newbie, I'm always looking for ways to "make it better" but for my needs Marlin ---so far--- works well in my use but I'm so darned curious about using Kipper. But the $170 question. Pad 7, or Sonic pad. Like you (from what I can tell) obstacles are no more than a thrown gauntlet challenge even if I didn't want the challenge if that makes sense? Bottom line, if I decide to make the Klipper leap I've no doubt I'll get it accomplished but at what level of aggravation am I up for?
You've laid it all out so well for which I thank you which brings me to one question. As Klipper is only a word to me, what does unrestrained Klipper offer over a restricted version like that of the Sonic pad? I know the question is vague but then my knowledge is vague so the questions will be as well.
Note, I'm getting by with Marlin OK now, so if the choice for Klipper is made then the Sonic pad might make me happy. But, what would I be missing if not jumping all the way to a BTT Pad 7 for example?
Keep it up, many thanks, PC
You probably need an answer that is too long for a CZcams comment but, in simple terms, this is how I would sum up the two options: The BTT Pad 7 is the same as buying all of the individual components and making them all work together. There is no manufacturer UI on top and no restrictions to what you can do. The Sonic Pad is a manufacturer edited version of klipper that helps you get setup but then limits what you can do. Things are changing with every update so it's difficult to say how much you will be missing out on with the Sonic Pad. Maybe very little in time but what happens if Creality develop a new similar product and stop compiling updates for the Sonic Pad? The Pad 7 is more difficult but, long term, you will probably be happier as long as you are prepared to do the learning.
@@RickyImpey TY Rick. IMO you gave me a full answer. From here, even I can make a choice. Stay well. PC
Going to set one up this weekend. Changed over to mrisco from jysers and its better for sure, but not any faster. I really would love to speed stuff up and im always up for a setup challenge. Your reasoning is also my reasoning for going this route, dont want to be restricted by creality if new features come out.
I hope you enjoy it. Klipper firmware is awesome so, once you have everything setup, I'm sure you'll love it.
@@RickyImpey hey thanks for the reply, really appreciate your videos. They really helped me sort out what direction I wanted to go in.
I had the same problem with setting up my Wifi connection. I believe that the problem is with the included firmware. I ended up doing the same thing you did and edited the system.cfg file to get the WiFi working. It did not require an extender.
It sounds weird, but can you flash your printer with the sonic pad, and then connect the Pad 7? That way set up it easier?
You can do that if you want. It does work. I'm not sure it's easier but it would work.
@@RickyImpey I'm just saying because a lot of people have issues with the sonic pad and the bigtreetech doesn't seem to have many issues other than wifi, which I only use Ethernet
So would you say that, based on your research, that if you already had a spare Raspberry Pi 4, and don't care if you use a touch screen or a web interface from your PC, that you may as well just set up the Pi? It doesn't look like this particular product was any easier to set up. Asking because I want to set up Klipper on my 'spare' printer (Ender 3 V2 Neo) and already loaded Mainsail onto a spare Pi, just wanted to see if I should continue down that route or go with a pad solution.
I think that if I already had the pi then I would setup klipper with it. The knowledge that you will gain will all be relevant if you do then decide to go the slightly easier and tidier route of using a klipper pad.
I started with a sonic pad but i dont care for a touchscreen so ive sold it on and went with a btt pi.
+1 for skip the pi and go cheap eBay mini PC. I bought a Dell wyze 5070 for $50 and it kicks the pants off of a raspberry pi
HOW DID YOU GET THE ACCELROMETER TO WORK?!?!?!?!
Which one is better ? Sonic pad or this one ?
Is this even worth going through all that trouble just to be able to set that up and use it? Is it any better?
It does allow sending of files without having to mess about with the SD card and you can print faster, edit your FW config file on the fly without having to compile and flash FW
It's native klipper, most other pads use there own version so for sure better
the wifi range issue is quite a dealbreaker, the tinkering in Linux seems very doable.
The wifi range wasn't the issue he thought it was
I think the one I got from store came with first cb1 and the Wi-Fi is what’s making me the most mad. I gotta contact btt to get a replacement cb1 that has the Wi-Fi fix on it
It definitely doesn't look ready for beginners. Best to wait about 6 months.
Bambu Lab does not use Klipper.
🤦🏻♂ by 1:30 I've already decided I'm not buying it. Features matter less to me than ease of use/installation/setup. I'll leave this to super geeks. Not for me.
Update: By 5:00 I'm certain of it. This thing sounds horrible and I wouldn't want it for free.
"Super geeks" Didn't know knowing the basics about a computer made you a geek
@@alex59292 My friend, I've been using computers since the 80's, very little I haven't done with a computer, including linux, and even a little programming back in the day, I even ran a bbs in the late 80's before the internet took off. Yes, having to go through what this device wants you to go through, and someone willing to do it, in my books, makes you a "super geek" I'll keep my "geek" badge but this isn't for simple geeks, and this device has nothing to do with "basics of computers."
I'll add that although I'm familiar with the "basics of computers," I'm new to 3d printers but as I'm approaching my retirement I've decided to pick up some new hobbies.
You could have set up a hotspot with an old phone or tablet
why though? It should just connect, not everyone has an old phone or tablet
@@lambrettaladUK I agree it should connect, but it didn't, and it would not have to be an old phone you can set your current phone as a hotspot and still receive/make calls, my point was that he did not have to buy the extender.
Unfortunately, although that would have given an Internet connection, the main reason for a WiFi connection is to be able to connect using an ip address on a local area network. If I had created a WiFi hotspot with my phone, my pc couldn't have been on the same network and therefore I wouldn't have been able to connect to it. I could have made it work as a short-term solution, but I wanted to set it up in the way that I feel most people would want to connect and show what it takes to get there.
What the heck.are you talking about? the pad7 was an absolute piece of cake to set up even with multiple printers.
You are obviously not experienced, I have setup hundreds of klipper setup for my users and the BTT Pad 7 was one of the easiest if not the easiest one of all. This can only be click bait nonsense.