So many instruments were being introduced and some were coming out of obscurity at the time, that are pretty much absent these days. Would love to see them find a permanent home in ensembles.
Probably. Would take some adjustment. True bass trumpets have a significantly narrower bore than a euphonium - this one appears to be a Thein NY model, which has a bore of 13 mm (on the larger side); by contrast, euphoniums typically have a bore that ranges from 14.5 mm to 16.8 mm. There is no compensating system (the 4th valve is usually the length of 1+3). The mouthpiece would be somewhat narrower and shallower than what would usually be used on a euphonium. The music is sometimes written in treble clef, though that may not be an issue since euphonium sometimes is as well. Oh, and it would be advisable to get one in Bb so you wouldn't need to learn both new fingerings and an entirely new feel. I would love to get one, but I worry it may kill my trumpet chops. It certainly would kill my bank account.
My uncle has been thinking about getting one so he can practice while traveling. A bass trumpet is much smaller than a trombone or even one of those Wessex travel euphoniums
TL;DR, yeah but be sure to get it keyed in B flat and don't overblow. A B flat bass trumpet is to a baritone as a baritone is to a euphoniums (or rather the marching variants of a bari or euph).
I play a Bb trumpet, I might ask my band teacher to teach me more about it! If it’s good I might ask to give it a shot to try at it! The small mouth peice on my trumpet is all thought small, I think I could handle that! I would be the only bass trumpet in the whole band if I like it lol
BrassBoy1120 no, the mouthpiece is still quite a bit bigger to be directly interchangeable. Alto/tenor horn mouthpiece is like a big, deep trumpet mouthpiece, bass trumpet mouthpiece seems to be close to tenor trombone size if not just a hair smaller
On That Note ok. I meant more could you replace the tenor horn or alto trombone with this in the orchestra? As in, does it play in the same register and is the sound similar enough to take their place?
BrassBoy1120 ah, I see. I don’t have enough experience with the instrument to know that for sure. It may have a similar sound and you may be able to play some music in the same register but beyond that, I’m not sure.
Pitched in e flat I would imagine it is the same. Pitched in b flat, it would be some mish mash of a high trombone/euphonium and a horn with the sound characteristics of a trumpet.
@@Potter5416 No, it isn't. Bass Trumpets have a more metallic a focused sound. Composers understood this, so they wrote for it very different in comparison with the Trombones. Some makers use the same characteristics of tubing for their Bass Trumpets and Valve Trombones, but that's an error that needs to be stopped.
Descent into Nibelheim - automatic like. 😎
So many instruments were being introduced and some were coming out of obscurity at the time, that are pretty much absent these days. Would love to see them find a permanent home in ensembles.
I really like to use the bass trumpet, as well as soprano and Bb cornets, and alto and baritone horns, in most of my orchestral and band music.
Worth noting that the excerpt he played was from Das Rheingold, the first opera of Wagner's Ring cycle.
Cool! I am composing a piece right now that uses a bass trumpet. Just coming here to learn a little more about it!
could a euphonium player play this?
Probably. Would take some adjustment. True bass trumpets have a significantly narrower bore than a euphonium - this one appears to be a Thein NY model, which has a bore of 13 mm (on the larger side); by contrast, euphoniums typically have a bore that ranges from 14.5 mm to 16.8 mm. There is no compensating system (the 4th valve is usually the length of 1+3). The mouthpiece would be somewhat narrower and shallower than what would usually be used on a euphonium.
The music is sometimes written in treble clef, though that may not be an issue since euphonium sometimes is as well.
Oh, and it would be advisable to get one in Bb so you wouldn't need to learn both new fingerings and an entirely new feel.
I would love to get one, but I worry it may kill my trumpet chops. It certainly would kill my bank account.
@@THall-vi8cp yeah, but probalby closer to a baritone which has the same bore than a trombone
My uncle has been thinking about getting one so he can practice while traveling. A bass trumpet is much smaller than a trombone or even one of those Wessex travel euphoniums
TL;DR, yeah but be sure to get it keyed in B flat and don't overblow. A B flat bass trumpet is to a baritone as a baritone is to a euphoniums (or rather the marching variants of a bari or euph).
any brass player could play this to varying degrees
Basically a marching trombone. Also, we love James Markey.
Kinda, not really. Trombone has a different taper than bass trumpet if I’m not mistaken.
@@mr.starfish4965 Well duh, but I’m talking about the similar sound.
@@Capricegirl_ all those marching instruments sound like shit
@@Capricegirl_ Even then, ehh. I guess similar, but not very similar. Depends what kind of bass trumpet you have.
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I play a Bb trumpet, I might ask my band teacher to teach me more about it! If it’s good I might ask to give it a shot to try at it! The small mouth peice on my trumpet is all thought small, I think I could handle that! I would be the only bass trumpet in the whole band if I like it lol
It sounds like a weird mix of French horn, the higher trombone register and trumpet?
Is this an Eb or Bb model?
What is the difference between the Bas trumpet and a3 valve trumpet trombone as far as sound and range is concerned?
Basstrumpets we used in the military mountained band was not this variant. Ours hade pump valves
Just seeing this fellow's face go beet red was enough to disabuse me of buying one on a whim. -old college trumpet player
I love being a basstrumpeter so much that it's my Google address for everything including gmail.
Wich brand is the basstrumpet he played at the Video?
It’s a Thein. They are quite beautiful German instruments.
Hey, Joe Foley is in this video
What about the bass trumpet?
I think Willie Colón would like this educational video.
Wold this be interchangeable with an alto trombone or a tenor horn?
BrassBoy1120 no, the mouthpiece is still quite a bit bigger to be directly interchangeable. Alto/tenor horn mouthpiece is like a big, deep trumpet mouthpiece, bass trumpet mouthpiece seems to be close to tenor trombone size if not just a hair smaller
On That Note ok. I meant more could you replace the tenor horn or alto trombone with this in the orchestra? As in, does it play in the same register and is the sound similar enough to take their place?
BrassBoy1120 ah, I see. I don’t have enough experience with the instrument to know that for sure. It may have a similar sound and you may be able to play some music in the same register but beyond that, I’m not sure.
Pitched in e flat I would imagine it is the same. Pitched in b flat, it would be some mish mash of a high trombone/euphonium and a horn with the sound characteristics of a trumpet.
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Really needed lower notes played and a comparison to a trombone.
Bass trumpets are a valid part of the trumpet family
Valve trombones are an excuse
Davie504 should be proud
i still don't get the use of a Bass trumpet
Wagner and some of his "heirs."
It has rotors not Valves
shophar rotors are a type of valve
Still the most pointless modern instrument ever made.
What’s your definition of a “modern instrument”? I mean Wagner introduced it in his Ring der Nibelungen.
It’s a valve trombone that’s wrapped differently it sounds the same.
@@Potter5416 Stravinsky or Janacek would disagree. Just guessing. czcams.com/video/9aFTv50AoEQ/video.html
@@Potter5416 No, it isn't. Bass Trumpets have a more metallic a focused sound. Composers understood this, so they wrote for it very different in comparison with the Trombones. Some makers use the same characteristics of tubing for their Bass Trumpets and Valve Trombones, but that's an error that needs to be stopped.
Is this just me but, isn't bass trumpet just a better French horn?