From the Netherlands with Tulips Part 2
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- In part 2 of the Tulip PC Compact 2 Series we'll be doing a deeper dive into the hardware of the PC, look the motherboard, expansion cards, and see what that Dual Graphics Adapter (DGA) is all about.
#Tulip #Holland #Retro - Věda a technologie
Just love the design of these Tulip machines! Properly built bits of kit.
This was actually my (well, my parents') first pc. Awesome throwback!
i would love to see a video on fixing that PSU.
How'd I miss this? I've been waiting for it!
😍 My first PC.
Een leuke video van een oude Nederlandse X86 computer.
Blij dat je het leuk vond !
Like your videos!
echt mooi stukje historie Tulips
Uit de tijd van de MSX computer. Ik heb van 1983 tot 2002 een MSX computer gehad, dat was een leuke tijd toen de tijd ook heel wat oude PC's gehad en versleten. elke 3 jaar een nieuwe PC zo ging dat in die tijd.
vroeger Philips MSX homecomputer gehad toen ik 8j was ofzo ... eerste ervaring ermee was een BASIC programma schrijven die een space-shuttle launch pad naar het midden van het scherm bracht om vervolgens de lucht in te gaan ... Toen leek het wel een oneindig aantal bladzijden vol cryptische woorden die ik domweg moest intikken en op een cassette moest opslaan.
Thank's for making these videos. I really appreciate it.
That videocard is quite clever with that dual mode function. I bet the switch affects the rom bios. On the motherboard ‘s Hertogenbosch is mentioned, I wonder if Tulip had it’s factory there. In the netherlands they just call that place Den Bosch. I wonder if Tulip also built the Vendex computers from the V&D department stores. Vendex products where quite decent, my dad has an old electric drill from the 70’s that he still uses that is Vendex branded.
I had a Tulip 286. Via pc-prive project at work. Haha, those days are gone. Still got my commodore 64 and have a nice retro windows 98 pc to play those good old DOS games. My main pc is a ryzen 5 2600X.
This series is wonderful. I bet you're sad this PC is not of your property. It's quite interesting and singular. Thanks for what you do, I'm enjoying this a lot!
Glad you enjoy it! Not really sad ... there are only so many computers a person can own, use and enjoy ... I don't have infinite space and time so will be happy to return it to its owner :)
Cool! It seems like Tulip used the same form factor PSU’s over all of their computers back then. I’ve disassembled one of those SFF Tulip PCs when I was a lot younger. I didn’t keep the PC back then, but the PSU did remain in my repository to this very day! It even was part of my DIY NAS for a few years.
The computer has quite a bit of awesome features. Makes me want to have a Tulip PC even more!
think the original owner will beef her up with EGA and sound ... CPU is pretty fast for such a system and the high density 3.5 inch disk drive is also super convenient.
Another great video! Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Will do! .... fixing the PSU right now so that will be the end of this series....
The battery pack originally was hooked to the side of the 5.25 bay with a metal bar. You can see the insertion holes in the black metal plate @2:40.
(0:08) Now, that's nice. Long lasting, standard AA size batteries (I believe the designation is different in Europe, but it's the same battery). Surprised to see four of them, but if that's what the system requires. Too bad they had to be installed in a rather difficult location, but at least they're located away from the PCB.
I remember the brand Tulip, but I never put 2+2 together and realised they were from the Netherlands doh. I guess buying the Commodore brand was the kiss of death for them.
No it was more than that. If I remember correcly they at one point tried to presure the Dutch governement by moving production somewhere else that was cheaper. They called Tulips bluff and reminded them they had to pay allot of subsidies back because they moved production which was against the terms. It was something like that caused Tulip falling behind on the competition.
Thanks for the content 😎👍👍👍
My Tulip 386 AT 25 is still on working order... Only added 16 mb ram, a better isa graphics cards (ET4000) to replace the 8 bit pvga1a and of course a sound card. We use it from 1992 to 1998.
That battery pack lasts until 3928, it will outlive mankind for sure 😂😂
By the way a plastic battery holder like that is 1 euro or less... So the "not going to spend a lot of money" is pretty relative....
That being said, I prefer having the old stuff repaired it probably took you the same time as ordering a new one, so well done!
@@spwim I would at least replace the cable. The electrolyte has wicked all through the wires, that's why there was a corrosion on the connector.
@@JendaLinda quick! To the soldering stations!!! 😂
@@spwim: Holy hot irons, Batman!
Very detailed video! Show retro!
Glad you liked it!
For me this is a better way to put these batteries than the barrel ones in the PCB. If you can't guarantee its safety, just put it somewhere else.
The ST-125 Seagate Drives where uses in nearly all Atari ST Hard disk extensions. Namely : SH204/205 (20MB) and Megafile 30/40/60 (30 to 60MB) if you need some Old working drives can get them there. They have surprisingly little run time.
Now I need to know if you fixed the psu, thanks for the great content
Working on it :)
Both +12V and -12V are mandatory for the ISA bus. Hence you'll never know when it will be used :) Some Creative Sound Blaster cards are known to use both.
yeah ... the -5V is also on the ISA bus but don't know of any card that uses it. None of the above voltages are used in this particular setup. But will replace the caps if I can find their original values :)
@@RetroSpector78 -5V is used by some SB (2.0 in particular, but not 1.0/1.5). Both +12V and -12V are used by serial port driver IC.
This is a nice computer
Of course you can hook up RLL drives to MFM controllers. You just have to reformat the drive with 17 sectors per track instead of 26, losing roughly 30% of the capacity. I used to go the other route those days and formatted mfm drives on my rll controller to get 32mb out of a 21mb drive!
Yeah ... 20mb is already pretty tight, so losing 30% is not ideal. Think I only have one or 2 RLL drives.
@@RetroSpector78 You can use every MFM-drive as RLL. Try getting a seagate ST21R (or ST11R) controller, they seem pretty good, have an integrated BIOS with autodetect and work reliably. There's also an MFM-Version (ST21M) which has some parts changed but looks nearly identical.
A good upgrade for the hard disk controller is a WDXT-GEN2 which supports auto interleave and dynamic translation.
will need to check my spare bins to see if I have any ... thanks for the tip.
Pls. You can show the cable from 9 pin MDA to 6 pin din TTL cable ? or where i find it ? . I cannot find the pinout 6 pin din TTL on monitor .
What blew up was simply the mains filter capacitor, (RIFA Cap Google it!) those are notorious to blow when not powered up for a long time, as moisture creeps into them. Did you replace the tantalum chips? you should, they probably blew out and so didn't short the power, but now are just "not present", and don't provide any smoothing anymore. I wouldn't replace them with other tantalums, but just with radial electrolytic capacitors.
i got 3 boards - one does 768k ok - does have fdd/hdd connector - i wonder what kind of hd's will work ?
8:03 the 8088 normally ran at 4.77mhz. the V20 could also run at 4.77, but clock for clock, the V20 was 10% faster than the 8088, so at 9.54mhz, it would be more than double the speed.
I was referring to the fact that the speed experience wouldn’t be double that of an ibm xt. As lots of stuff isn’t cpu bound (hard drive, fact that you depend a lot on floppies, video....)
Does this video card support the CGA 160x100x16-color mode, used in games like Round 42 and Paku Paku?
It's not listed in the supported resolutions .... would need to try. But first need to fix the PSU.
From the video, it looks like the CGA emulation use some sort of 1-bit black/white patterns instead of different shades of gray... is it really like that?
Yes. The screen can only display three values per dot: black, low intensity, high intensity. It has 720x350 possible dots. So, in order to mimic colors, it will use patterns plus intensity variations. For particular combinations, this can make text hard to read. That's why the diagnostics utility allows you to do a mapping of patterns to color numbers.
@@regendaas Cool, thanks! I have an ATI Graphics Solution card, which also supports CGA emulation on MDA screens, but it uses multiple intensity levels on the "video" pin and, to my surprise, my MDA screen accepts it. Thanks to this, the result is much much better. Here are the screenshots, I made before: swarmik.tumblr.com/post/178909439269/full-cga-graphics-on-mda-monitors-a-few-weeks-ago
640kb of RAM is more than enough for everything
Srsly nobody could ever fully utilize more than 640k. That's already 10 whole C64s!
I believe AutoCad and Microsoft Excel use a maths coprocessor.
*Nudge* - check your email :p
done ! :)
I remenber a tinny program called simcga and other emucolor that do the same but in software
Ахуительно интересно !
MFM stands for "Mother F* Massive" Drive, right?
Modified Frequency Modulation.
Are you 42 year old, and your first pc was at style?
yep
Shame about the PSU.
Where there other Dutch clone makes other than Tulip and Phillips?
Laser is also a brand that comes to mind ... have a video on that one as well.
@@RetroSpector78 We actually had an Laser branded PC when I was very young. Not many memories of it, maybe a 286 or 386 machine with matching monitor on top of it. Had no idea it was Dutch brand (living in Finland). Always just thought it was a cool brand, much cooler than some petty IBM or Compaq.
I think "Kloon" was one as wel. It's Dutch for Clone, ironically ;)