That laughter in between the answers; its the generosity of a man who knows the answers cannot be found by way of discursive thought but humors the student all the same. "The truth my son, is what you may* find doing zazen until your pate shines like mine! . . . that and what you become"
One common occurnace with all the videos I watch of enlightened people is how they all find the questions people ask them funny. I think once you see beyond all the questions in your head and it "clicks" you find how most people think amusing lol I've had times where I've had an "ahhh" moment and just laughed out loud, weird!
I think they also may chuckle as a pause while trying to find the right words to describe some ideas that aren't easily expressed in everyday English. Like if someone talks about being and non-being or no-self, it sounds funny or even nonsensical to a person who hasn't been exposed to the true meaning of ideas like this, so you have to take care how you explain these ideas.
Truth. Realisation. Meditation...how easily the nervous mind becomes fascinated by conceptualisations. When you sit...just sit. When you walk...just walk. When you sleep...just sleep.
Western mind or westerners - the source of all problems in today's world and the key to the solution for all our problems in modern world is also with the Western mind. Hope that leads us int he right path.
I’ll try to explain what he means, something I understood suddenly. The separation he is talking about is our necessary “putting in the box” stuff we do to analyze and to explain things. Life, what is life, we separate it from the environment and we describe it as an external being observing in “in a box”. That’s ok, everything is based on that. We do science in that way, we transfer informations to others in that way. The problem is that you end up analyzing “something” out of context. You can’t describe something when there is no separation. For example, your body, emits infrared rays but we don’t think about them when we described ourselves or thinking to others, we kinda separate informations between useful informations to useless informations for the purpose we decided. But wait, we decided the purpose then, that means that we can describe things deciding the “wall of the box” but if that is true, there is no ultimate truth until you remove those walls, because (as he says) everything is just one thing, all connected and all one. The truth in concept is some statement or concept we created observing the object in the box The truth without concept is just that, you can’t explain it, you can’t describe it, you can only face it, with your limited perception ofc and limited senses, then you realize that if everything is all interconnected, you and the thing you are watching are the same thing, you change it and it changes you. The atoms are all close together, some loose some tight but it’s all big chunk of matter. The universe is all one. That’s why zen is unexplainable, that’s why is not meditation, because meditation is already a concept for some activity that have already been “boxed”, you can’t say zen is the observation of reality because “observing”, “reality” are all concepts that are already been boxed, even the word “zen” is a boxed concept. You must face it with no concepts, and you have to be careful because also this statement is a “boxed” concept itself. Then you realize the meaning of “wu” Just pure mental silence (see how those words giving you some sort of emotions? Those are boxed concepts) Wash all away, observe the observer, shorten the way, let your mind see itself. (Concepts, concepts concepts again) (I don’t know if gave you the idea, it’s hard to explain with concepts the inexplicable “out of concepts” concept)
I had to watch it again, was so lost laughing and smiling seeing your teacher's expressions and face,it was so soothing, I lost track of what he was saying.
I commented on this video before, but I just can't get over how cool a dude mr Jinen is. Just watching this makes me smile. I wish I could one day be only half, or even one tenth as cool as him. Please tell mr Jinen I said hi :)
Ultimate truths and the concept are deep understanding. Ones need good wisdom and training to understand it. Without proper training and wisdom, ultimate truth becomes only intellectual knowledge. The master knows. He laughs. Thank you for sharing.
There is no objects in space only space and its extensions. 😍😍 loving the empty fullness that births this and that ,at every moment of this fractal kaleidoscopic enfoldment of probability, all with in duality is relativity
"This Is It!" . . "This Is It!" . . "This Is It!" -- Repeat those words to yourself while under the influence of a small dose of El Cid. That's what did it for me way back in 1971. Now I use "This is it" as my mantra when I meditate (the English words that come closest to the Taoists' description, "That which can't be named").
@Liam Greene Wow, Liam, I never thought of it that way. We can actually apply this to everything. So, everything has a name but what is IT, exactly? What is the meaning of IT? What is the function of IT? We can even apply this to Life itself? Very interesting. Thank you.
So it seems a doing, directing awareness to the center, finding out where thoughts originate. But this whole thing you describe is all based on thought, 'planning to see it, planning to get better after seeing it (whatever, source), getting to be a better person, being able to help more in the world'.
Emperor Wu of Liang asked the great master Bodhidharma, "What is the highest meaning of the holy truths?" Bodhidharma said, "Empty, without holiness." The Emperor said, "Who is facing me?" Bodhidharma replied,"Imperceptible." The Emperor did not understand.
Oh man, I wish I could make friend like this who has sacrificed it all for wisdom. What I am saying, and I can be nicer, is that I wish there was a way he could deliver what he knows in a form that we could digest better. What he has said in this video was really incomprehension. And it's funny that everyone commenting "wow" "ahh" have no idea what he just said either, they just think it was deep and moving because they know he is a wise man. #respect.
Laugh is because the Truth is so simple even child can understand that(or only child does), and seriousness is coz this simple Truth if missed can cause havocs in people's life.
The real monk don't only take his Ego and suffering off, but when he did that, he takes the suffering of the humankind on his shoulder as much as possible. He sorrows with many tears for them. That's real love and that's fearlessness to suffering.
There was a Buddhist monk in a documentary about Japanese music who made mention of what he called "the one sound." Mind you, though I practice meditation, I am never-the-less an armature scholar. My interpretation was that he meant every possible noise (all sound is a vibration) that occurs within any given moment. 'Music of the hear and now,' if you will. ^^
maybe it's just what i want to see, but zen masters always seem so humble. it's refreshing to me coming from a culture where everyone is trying to prove others wrong and exalt themselves... thank you for these videos! one thing though, could you add subtitles to these videos? there's so much background noise, it's hard for me to hear his words.
@amn3h23h2 Thank you for your comment. Jinen-san is indeed a remarkable and humble man. I must apologise for the sound quality. The first two videos were test runs. I will be soon interviewing Jinen-san for new videos.
He's saying that there is the concept of truth and the actual truth and also perception of the truth through each of us. Like perfection is infinite and cannot be boxed in and grasp. He is saying truth cannot be spoken or written. It is expressed in feelings and action, which are both infinite or like water, flowing but like us, aspiring.
Where does this beautiful man lives? Is there a way of contacting or seeing him? Does he has any commune or disciples? TibetKanagawa, please reply and why so few asked about that?
I used to be a buddhist (zen) and today i'm a christian , and there is some parallels between the two in its view of human nature . I'd like to shortly share with you what the core message of the bible is and its natural to start with a verse that is called John 3,16 which says : "For so did God love the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life . " So why did God have to "give His Son" ?? It's because God created humans to be a reflection of himself and His nature which is perfect love and compassion but instead in our free will we fell from God in disobediance and our nature actually altered into what we are today and as you buddhists know we do not do all of our actions with a intention out of perfect uncoditional love , which is Gods nature , no instead we often have a egocentric intention and in the beginning of the bible were it describes mans fall into sin it says : "And God saw that mans INTENTION were evil all day long and it grieved God that He had created man" So because God is a holy and just/good God He could not be around man anymore once we became inpure and because of that He withdrew Himself from us , but even if God hates sin He loves all humans unconditionally so that is why He sent Jesus , to do what we couldn't do and that is to live our lives fully according to Gods will from cradle to grave in unconditional love compassion and kindness , Jesus did this and this is actually visible when Jesus dies on the cross when he prays for His murderers He says : Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing . Bible says that God laid all the worlds sin on Jesus, so by faith in Jesus we can receive forgiveness for our sin and be saved , saved from what ? The consequences of our sin which is that we are enemies of God because of our sinful actions and ultimatly it a day will come were God will judge all sinners in the afterlife , just like society judges criminals because they do things that is deemed unacceptable / evil . Last quote from the Bible is : Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life
A zen philosophy once entered my head.. his name was taisen deshimaru, his two books were edited by philippe coupey, the names were, sit, and The VOICE of the VALLEY
I know all that, I fully agree with you!!! I just wanted to put a side note on the 'all concepts ar wrong' generalization. People read this and get confused on these notes. I think. :-) But your last note is much clearer on that...
@amn3h23h2 Good observation. This is because a zen master is able to guage where others are at, sees their progress upon the path they are following, and encourages them to make progress for themselves. A zen master understands that nobody began life as a zen master. :)
How do we find truth? Well, truth brings clarity, it feels right, it makes sense. It doesn't bring confusion, or indecision or angst. As someone else says here, truth is reality. As when you jump there is no doubt you have went up, when you run you are going faster, when you eat you are no longer hungry, when you find truth you will recognise it.
Wonderful person. So, if I understand it right (and I heard it several times before), sitting without thinking is a key point of the art. But this is the real difficulty, isn't it. And what really troubles me is the question how shall one do this, stop thinking. Is there a method which teaches you how to stop thinking? But if there would be a method, than there would be a concept and the whole trouble starts again. So, what do I have to do to learn to sit without thinking? And please, don't answere "just sit" because than, I fear, the trouble never ends.
Translations are not incorrect. Sometimes he says “only concept” - sometimes says “although concept” - both uses are correct in context, he’s saying different things in each case. Nuance.
The problem is not what you "get" - as 69torus has pointed out - but that we are unaware that we have reduced our reality to mere thought, and self-centered thought, at that. We simply are not aware of it until, by simply sitting and abandoning those otherwise useful tools of coneptualization, we realize what we have not been aware of.
His laughter, gestures and eyes answer the question. Beautiful.
he's hilarious
He didn't answer anything because there was no question🙏
That laughter in between the answers; its the generosity of a man who knows the answers cannot be found by way of discursive thought but humors the student all the same. "The truth my son, is what you may* find doing zazen until your pate shines like mine! . . . that and what you become"
Jinen-san was about 64 in this video. He's a dear friend and it is an honour and a pleasure to spend time with him.
From his laughter we all can know how living in simplicity can let us realize something far more greater
One common occurnace with all the videos I watch of enlightened people is how they all find the questions people ask them funny. I think once you see beyond all the questions in your head and it "clicks" you find how most people think amusing lol I've had times where I've had an "ahhh" moment and just laughed out loud, weird!
I think they also may chuckle as a pause while trying to find the right words to describe some ideas that aren't easily expressed in everyday English. Like if someone talks about being and non-being or no-self, it sounds funny or even nonsensical to a person who hasn't been exposed to the true meaning of ideas like this, so you have to take care how you explain these ideas.
They are also fully compassionate
I think they see the irony of it all
Truth. Realisation. Meditation...how easily the nervous mind becomes fascinated by conceptualisations. When you sit...just sit. When you walk...just walk. When you sleep...just sleep.
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@@suninmoon4601 "Moonlight Sonata on piano for Old Elephant." You and I have crossed paths before, on this video.
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@@suninmoon4601 Ha! Thank you for a smile, again.
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truth is giving free chuckles from time to time :)
Western mind or westerners - the source of all problems in today's world and the key to the solution for all our problems in modern world is also with the Western mind. Hope that leads us int he right path.
Master Jinen is very natural. He is a very good example.
He is, indeed. It is a joy to spend time with him. He is a genuinely lovely man and the result of many years of dedicated Zen practice.
Thank you for this beautiful and inspiring video. Wonderful and clear teaching.
i like this man for his genuine giggling .i wish i could be like this
Thank you.
I’ll try to explain what he means, something I understood suddenly.
The separation he is talking about is our necessary “putting in the box” stuff we do to analyze and to explain things. Life, what is life, we separate it from the environment and we describe it as an external being observing in “in a box”. That’s ok, everything is based on that. We do science in that way, we transfer informations to others in that way. The problem is that you end up analyzing “something” out of context. You can’t describe something when there is no separation. For example, your body, emits infrared rays but we don’t think about them when we described ourselves or thinking to others, we kinda separate informations between useful informations to useless informations for the purpose we decided. But wait, we decided the purpose then, that means that we can describe things deciding the “wall of the box” but if that is true, there is no ultimate truth until you remove those walls, because (as he says) everything is just one thing, all connected and all one.
The truth in concept is some statement or concept we created observing the object in the box
The truth without concept is just that, you can’t explain it, you can’t describe it, you can only face it, with your limited perception ofc and limited senses, then you realize that if everything is all interconnected, you and the thing you are watching are the same thing, you change it and it changes you. The atoms are all close together, some loose some tight but it’s all big chunk of matter. The universe is all one.
That’s why zen is unexplainable, that’s why is not meditation, because meditation is already a concept for some activity that have already been “boxed”, you can’t say zen is the observation of reality because “observing”, “reality” are all concepts that are already been boxed, even the word “zen” is a boxed concept.
You must face it with no concepts, and you have to be careful because also this statement is a “boxed” concept itself.
Then you realize the meaning of “wu”
Just pure mental silence (see how those words giving you some sort of emotions? Those are boxed concepts)
Wash all away, observe the observer, shorten the way, let your mind see itself. (Concepts, concepts concepts again)
(I don’t know if gave you the idea, it’s hard to explain with concepts the inexplicable “out of concepts” concept)
I had to watch it again, was so lost laughing and smiling seeing your teacher's expressions and face,it was so soothing, I lost track of what he was saying.
When you want what you need you don't want anymore what you don't need.
That subtle giggle is intoxicating
And that's the truth, which is beyond the concept of word truth! 🙏
I commented on this video before, but I just can't get over how cool a dude mr Jinen is. Just watching this makes me smile.
I wish I could one day be only half, or even one tenth as cool as him. Please tell mr Jinen I said hi :)
best wishes my friend wish you success
truth is truth without truth. wise words
Wonderful exchange. I don't tire of viewing it over time. :-)
Gracias.
Ultimate truths and the concept are deep understanding.
Ones need good wisdom and training to understand it.
Without proper training and wisdom, ultimate truth becomes only intellectual knowledge.
The master knows. He laughs.
Thank you for sharing.
Very Good!
There is no objects in space only space and its extensions. 😍😍 loving the empty fullness that births this and that ,at every moment of this fractal kaleidoscopic enfoldment of probability, all with in duality is relativity
Yes. This is why he is always smiling.
Happiness means to accept whatever comes your way, but in order to do that, one must first remove what comes in their way.
I have such affection for this master, he's great.
"This Is It!" . . "This Is It!" . . "This Is It!" -- Repeat those words to yourself while under the influence of a small dose of El Cid.
That's what did it for me way back in 1971.
Now I use "This is it" as my mantra when I meditate (the English words that come closest to the Taoists' description, "That which can't be named").
You should have turned off the fan to allow the truth to flow.
the Truth is flowing through the fan.
@Liam Greene Wow, Liam, I never thought of it that way. We can actually apply this to everything. So, everything has a name but what is IT, exactly? What is the meaning of IT? What is the function of IT? We can even apply this to Life itself? Very interesting. Thank you.
No! without a fan there is no truth!
Fan makes the wind of truth to flow!
Without a fan the truth would be too hot to handle.
In its interconnectedness, the running fan is part & parcel of the TRUTH at the ever-present-now.
( So why need to turn it off ?)
Wow unbelievable. An awakened human. I want to meet him.
You can.
Thanks for upload this really really good video !! You are so lucky to have this teacher.
Always loving Zen.
Which Zen do you love? There is no ZEN to love🙏
So it seems a doing, directing awareness to the center, finding out where thoughts originate. But this whole thing you describe is all based on thought, 'planning to see it, planning to get better after seeing it (whatever, source), getting to be a better person, being able to help more in the world'.
Emperor Wu of Liang asked the great master Bodhidharma, "What is the highest meaning of the holy truths?" Bodhidharma said, "Empty, without holiness." The Emperor said, "Who is facing me?" Bodhidharma replied,"Imperceptible." The Emperor did not understand.
I absolutely agree with you Fupper, you're right. Greetings from a zen student born in Mexico City and now living in Canada. :)
That makes sense that it is his second language. It is not criticism, it is discussion. Thanks for the comment.
Oh man, I wish I could make friend like this who has sacrificed it all for wisdom. What I am saying, and I can be nicer, is that I wish there was a way he could deliver what he knows in a form that we could digest better. What he has said in this video was really incomprehension. And it's funny that everyone commenting "wow" "ahh" have no idea what he just said either, they just think it was deep and moving because they know he is a wise man. #respect.
Laugh is because the Truth is so simple even child can understand that(or only child does), and seriousness is coz this simple Truth if missed can cause havocs in people's life.
Amazing! Thank you
hvala,majstore,ala si me opravio - svaka ti cast!
Thank you very much. Very encouraging.
Thank you for this... just what I needed
Mazal Tov!
Take this to perspective. English is his second language, so why criticize just because you don't understand?
Food for thought.
The real monk don't only take his Ego and suffering off, but when he did that, he takes the suffering of the humankind on his shoulder as much as possible. He sorrows with many tears for them. That's real love and that's fearlessness to suffering.
Great teaching, great man...Inspiring.
Truth is beyond compassion beyond reality beyond fact beyond zazen
Beautiful answers
'becomes the things itself'..what a line, says it all!
truth cannot be expressed in words .. thoughtless can make you come close to realization of truth ..
There was a Buddhist monk in a documentary about Japanese music who made mention of what he called "the one sound." Mind you, though I practice meditation, I am never-the-less an armature scholar. My interpretation was that he meant every possible noise (all sound is a vibration) that occurs within any given moment. 'Music of the hear and now,' if you will. ^^
concept is interval, conceptual is integral, truth is beyond integral, it is intervals
Meditation includes Zazen, it means that it could be practiced in all the ways including sitting and stilling the mind.
thank you
It would be greatly helpful if you can add subtitles. Thank you!
maybe it's just what i want to see, but zen masters always seem so humble. it's refreshing to me coming from a culture where everyone is trying to prove others wrong and exalt themselves... thank you for these videos!
one thing though, could you add subtitles to these videos? there's so much background noise, it's hard for me to hear his words.
but everyone knows that a good teacher is one that can communicate effectively to allow someone to understand.
Zen no teach is .•°
"the meditation without thinking..... will be alright" };^)
Master Jinen is super cool!
You are truth, know thyself
Beautiful video. Thanks for sharing
@amn3h23h2
Thank you for your comment. Jinen-san is indeed a remarkable and humble man. I must apologise for the sound quality. The first two videos were test runs. I will be soon interviewing Jinen-san for new videos.
@taostoner1 Subtitles are now available, in English. I hope that helps you.
Zen is so hard to explain/grasp because its something that has to be understood without thoughts. Your mind distracts you from it.
finding realization is difficult only in the finding, realization itself is truth
truths has many forms, yet truth is one
He's saying that there is the concept of truth and the actual truth and also perception of the truth through each of us. Like perfection is infinite and cannot be boxed in and grasp. He is saying truth cannot be spoken or written. It is expressed in feelings and action, which are both infinite or like water, flowing but like us, aspiring.
Where does this beautiful man lives? Is there a way of contacting or seeing him? Does he has any commune or disciples?
TibetKanagawa, please reply
and why so few asked about that?
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Nice.
So pure consciousness without thought is truth
no
Timothy Price oh
ye I think you said it ok
back to the cushion, david.
I used to be a buddhist (zen) and today i'm a christian , and there is some parallels between the two in its view of human nature .
I'd like to shortly share with you what the core message of the bible is and its natural to start with a verse that is called John 3,16 which says :
"For so did God love the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life . "
So why did God have to "give His Son" ??
It's because God created humans to be a reflection of himself and His nature which is perfect love and compassion but instead in our free will we fell from God in disobediance and our nature actually altered into what we are today and as you buddhists know we do not do all of our actions with a intention out of perfect uncoditional love , which is Gods nature , no instead we often have a egocentric intention and in the beginning of the bible were it describes mans fall into sin it says :
"And God saw that mans INTENTION were evil all day long and it grieved God that He had created man"
So because God is a holy and just/good God He could not be around man anymore once we became inpure and because of that He withdrew Himself from us , but even if God hates sin He loves all humans unconditionally so that is why He sent Jesus , to do what we couldn't do and that is to live our lives fully according to Gods will from cradle to grave in unconditional love compassion and kindness , Jesus did this and this is actually visible when Jesus dies on the cross when he prays for His murderers He says : Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing .
Bible says that God laid all the worlds sin on Jesus, so by faith in Jesus we can receive forgiveness for our sin and be saved , saved from what ? The consequences of our sin which is that we are enemies of God because of our sinful actions and ultimatly it a day will come were God will judge all sinners in the afterlife , just like society judges criminals because they do things that is deemed unacceptable / evil .
Last quote from the Bible is :
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life
A zen philosophy once entered my head.. his name was taisen deshimaru, his two books were edited by philippe coupey, the names were, sit, and The VOICE of the VALLEY
I know all that, I fully agree with you!!!
I just wanted to put a side note on the 'all concepts ar wrong' generalization. People read this and get confused on these notes. I think. :-)
But your last note is much clearer on that...
@amn3h23h2
Good observation. This is because a zen master is able to guage where others are at, sees their progress upon the path they are following, and encourages them to make progress for themselves. A zen master understands that nobody began life as a zen master. :)
"if Truth doesn't help, go Truther!!" :D
loving kindness,
Lord Buddha :D
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My pleasure to share this with you.
Why is finding realization so difficult?
Because you are looking for it.
@trakomako He is what he is, nothing more and nothing less.
How do we find truth? Well, truth brings clarity, it feels right, it makes sense. It doesn't bring confusion, or indecision or angst. As someone else says here, truth is reality. As when you jump there is no doubt you have went up, when you run you are going faster, when you eat you are no longer hungry, when you find truth you will recognise it.
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Wonderful person. So, if I understand it right (and I heard it several times before), sitting without thinking is a key point of the art. But this is the real difficulty, isn't it. And what really troubles me is the question how shall one do this, stop thinking. Is there a method which teaches you how to stop thinking? But if there would be a method, than there would be a concept and the whole trouble starts again. So, what do I have to do to learn to sit without thinking? And please, don't answere "just sit" because than, I fear, the trouble never ends.
@Dhyananda Sadhu Thank you very much. This answere is a great help, indeed. Thanks for the time you spent and for the detailled explanation.
That is science, the truth is reality
Enkhe-Amgalano Budo I love science, too!
Om
Very well. Thank you for caring :D
Zen master please help my suffering in my mind body and soul help me teach me enlightenment so i can to
If you seek enlightenment you will never find it because it's NO WHERE to find, you have to realize that you are already enlightened❤🙏❤
My truth right here right now: subtitles of course thank you very much.
i cry when someone hurts me, i cry when someone dies.. i'm a fish, true is my enemy
You are already infinitely cool. You just don't realise it. And yes, I promise to tell Master Jinen that you said hi!
@69torus Thank you for your comment.
Translations are not incorrect. Sometimes he says “only concept” - sometimes says “although concept” - both uses are correct in context, he’s saying different things in each case. Nuance.
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Thanks ; )
Zazen is something that just happens not something you try and do. Like wise with anything else in life.
The problem is not what you "get" - as 69torus has pointed out - but that we are unaware that we have reduced our reality to mere thought, and self-centered thought, at that. We simply are not aware of it until, by simply sitting and abandoning those otherwise useful tools of coneptualization, we realize what we have not been aware of.
5.00 "Zazen is out of concept"
ACIM - "Salvation can be seen as nothing more than the escape from concepts."
we should even make a corection that life is out of concept or living life; if is conceptual, is it not a living, is it..?
The last thing I'd ask to a Zen Master is, what is the truth. Poor master.
He was very happy to answer.
@Dragon33304 You are most welcome.
muy bueno pasen si es posible en español si es posible en gasho victor
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