Growing up a child of divorce, i hardly ever got to see families on TV that looked like mine. (The only one i can think of on the top of my head is The Suite Life of Zack & Cody.) The way Infinity Train tackles this is just one of the many reasons why it deserves more seasons. PLEASE support Infinity Train by streaming it on HBO Max, it’s pretty much the only way we can guarantee we’ll get more.
Bethany Bradley damn thats rough i’m really sorry to hear about all that. while my relationship with my dad has always been shaky, i’m thankful my mom knew well enough to put her foot down and get a divorce or i probably would’ve ended up worse than i am now. i hope you’re able to grow and move forward, best of luck
The thing you learn about divorce is two things. One: Family is no longer invincible as they always preach. You have no reason to stay and you doubt their words and love even when they say, “We’ll always love you.” Also it is like seeing someone die. Something that you expect to live forever dies in front of you. It shatters your world and brings a grim reality to you. Two: You have to take care of yourself. Even with two parents, it is like living with one or even none. You lose trust and reliance in them. You get angry and either blame yourself into depression or blame them and resent them. You can no longer depend on them anymore because they aren’t even together to help you or even capable of helping when the biggest part of their lives was broken on their watch.
My parents would argue a lot. ik people have worse story of divorced parents but damn it makes you feel soo alone and confused and I feel the whole blaming yourself for their divorce me and my brother felt like it was our fault and we still do, I was always close to my mom and I was somewhat close to my dad and I felt like maybe he thought we loved my mom more than him but thats not the case. I had a friend group where they had their parents love them and they were all still married i just felt out of place when I seen their parents happy together. I'm bad at dealing with my problems and feelings where I hate if I cry and stuff its gotten to the point where I haven't been able to cry for about a year. I've closed myself off from both parents now and they ask if things are okay and I just continue this cycle of running away
I never knew how difficult my parents divorce was on me until I saw the pain Tulip was in and realized it was my own. I never wanted to think about it, but this show made me, and I think I've grown because of it. I guess you could say my number went down.
One thing I love is that Tulip doesn’t just *say* that she’s accepted her changes and immediately does a 180 shift - it takes 10 episodes for her to do that. Too often, you see characters accept change or choices with one speech or sentence, when in reality, acceptance can take a long time.
That's the whole point of the show it would be really sad if they show that went so far to make such a plot fuck it up so hard to make it a flip flop development on a moment notice
Definitely, in fiction a character can just say and acknowledge they need help or know what they need to do, but they're not there mentally and emotionally yet, so it needs to be actually worked out.
@@l0sts0ul89 we don t know too much of his backstory. We only know that samantha abandoned him and a couple more things that mostly happened on the train. His number was lower than grace s though. So whatever his trauma or problem was, it wasn t bigger than grace s
Amelia has a long way to go still. Hazel went with her because of the obvious but Amelia still feels little if anything for what she considers a 'failed experiment'.
It's absolutely crazy how much of an effect this 13 year old girl made on the train. She gave Lake the confidence to become her own person in Book 2, returned One-One as the conductor, stopped Amelia as the false conductor, and helped her start accepting her pain, which brought Amelia to Grace in Book 3. Apart from Book 4, every season was affected in some way by Tulip. What an absolute MadLass
man, i can't believe that tulip straight up said "divorce". it felt like "let's just get all this kid show junk overwith and say it DIVORCE." but also, it's incredible how she developed so much. and it's beautiful how her number represents that.
Tulip saying the word "divorce" is really important. While it may seem like a small detail, it shows how Infinity Train doesn't hold it's punches. It deals with REAL issues and doesn't dance around them. It presents them in realistic, lowly romanticized ways.
Imagine how guilty tulips parents felt. Cause what they probably think happened was, tulip was upset about the divorce so she ran away and went missing for 5 months, the camp says she wasn’t there, none of her friends said she saw her, so she’d been pronounced missing, they probably felt like really bad parents, so they would’ve been so relieved when she came home.
I just realized that every season of infinity train has the future seasons protagonist in it. They always show the character has an unresolved arc and the next season resolves it. Good storytelling and build up for characters in my opinion. It makes you interested in the next story without pushing the current one to the back and makes sure to separate the new protagonist before the current story ends.
I like the part where Tulip tells One One that is not his fault that the cart is that way. Sometimes we tend to blame ourselves about things that are totally out our control. We think that if we could have been better, things could have turned out differently.
I'm still so mad that this got cancelled. It tackles so many themes that no other show, especially no other children's show, covers. I wish I had shows like this as a kid
for a guy who had parents who divorce i can relate to tulip as sometimes we want things to be fixed or mended but sometimes we realize it always be fathers good mothers bad or mothers good fathers bad as well as that sometimes people in their marriage wont always be happy or at least find any more grounds with each others but will always try and be their for their kids
Divorce as a child is.... difficult. This definitely captures a lot of the struggle. They're choosing to lead lives where they can be happy, or at least not unhappy. And a lot of the time, the kids fall through the cracks as they deal with the changes in responsibilities and timing.
month late but i wonder if she ever just had the inconvenience of never seeing her reflection ever again, would be cool to have an epilogue where she reunites with Lake and they pull some mirror shenanigans
@@goodboi1725 well, I just think they wouldn't let her run around without one for long, they do have strict laws after all. As far as consequences go, it would be far cooler if Tulip met Lake in the real world at some point.
I didn't notice this before, but when the parents are telling Tulip they're getting a divorce, the Dad is still wearing his wedding band, while the Mom is not. Really shows how they were feeling about separating :( Mom knew it was permanent, Dad was still hopeful. At least at the end when the Dad is driving Tulip to her coding camp, the Dad has also taken of his wedding band. He's accepted it too now, and he looked a lot better.
That's actually genius Then you'll go onto the infinity train because you're evil and then they'll have to make another season because the only way to get your number down is to make the next season holy shit I should be a super villain
I was a teenager when my parents got divorced. Like Tulip I grew up watching them fight, seeing my dad sleeping on the couch, sometimes nearly ruining family vacations. There really is something validating in seeing that portrayed in media
One of my friends has divorced parents, and he saw it coming from a mile away, kinda like you. For him, he wasn't surprised and was just kind of relieved the fighting was done. What was it like for you, if you don't mind me asking.
@@Flarflenugen sorry, I literally just saw this. I was relieved at first, but then both of my parents kind of fell apart. My dad started drowning himself in alcohol, and would sometimes lash out at my mom over the phone over mundane things. My mom meanwhile started dating. She managed to find a couple guys far worse than my dad. The first was a straight up misogynist who looked down on her, the second had a bad tempor. He never put his hands on her, but he would yell and argue with her over just about anything. After about a year my parents got back together. It didn't surprise me since it was literally the third time they had separated since I had been born, but I still didn't know what to think. I ended up deciding that I didn't want to be around it anymore and moved out. Three years later they're still holding together somehow, and I'm still scraping by living with roommates. Sorry for the wait, and long reply
@@cobalt-6D it's understandable, the question I had warranted a long reply. That's sad, for you and them. Sounds like they just want to be miserable together, and I'm glad that you've realized that they are both toxic and it was best for yourself to not be around them. Sucks they can figure out themselves, but as you know that isn't your problem. Them dating toxic people or falling into alcoholism is on them, and I'm glad you are out of that. Live your best life. If they improve, good on them. But remember, you dont owe them anything if you don't want to get involved again
when my parents got divorced they never even bothered to sit me down and talk to me about it. they just did it all behind the scenes until one day i said "mom, why havent i seen daddy lately?"
Ohhh wow. That makes just about as much sense as the “let’s not let our daughter find out what a period is until it happens to her at school in the middle of class for the first time” bullshit thing that some parents do XD. I’m not even close to being a parent yet lol but just speaking from common sense, waiting until something is already happening/has happened to tell someone who needs to know about it almost ALWAYS leads to a huge disaster and lots of drama and fighting. That was very stupid of them
@@kylestubbs8867 if they were worried they were gonna have a big reaction then they wouldn’t have stalled it for that long, it seems like the opposite like they thought the kid wouldn’t care that much and so they didn’t bother to explain it
My personal headcanon is that, whener Tulip goes to a mirror and doesn't see her reflection, she smiles and thinks: "Everything's fine. She's still living her own life"
I love the scene where she walks past the mirror, it just confirms all the things that happened were real and makes the Apex events even sadder when the denizens get hurt.
Although I don't have divorced parents, that certainly does NOT mean I can't feel any sympathy for what Tulip has to go through. Infinity Train did a fantastic job tackling the issues of children with divorced parents very well, and I REALLY appreciated how well developed Tulip's character development throughout Book 1 was. Thanks for sharing this, my dude. :)
The reason that 1:11 hits so hard is the moment before. At first, Tulip's memory is way more dramatic, the room is on fire while her parents scream at her "divorced! divorced! divorced!", Because that's what it felt like to her in that moment. Because that's a lot easier to remember than to except the fact that the worst moment in your life is just a calm conversation between you and your parents in your home, a conversation that would seem utterly mundane to an out-looker, but to you it feels like the floor has been stolen from beneath your feet
I’m a child of divorce and felt scared to express my issues with it because I was afraid of the potential consequences. When Infinity Train Book 1 came and how Tulip got on the train in the first place was revealed, I understood her perfectly and felt like we would’ve gotten along since we possessed similar problems. The lessons are understandable, but are sometimes difficult to commit to. She must’ve been as heartbroken as I was and probably many of you who are the children of divorced parents. I’m glad she’s happy now and feels more comfortable with those changes. However, I gotta ask, has Owen given us context as to whether or not people noticed Lake, Tulip’s reflection, is gone?
To be honest, Tulip technically saved the train. If she wasn’t on the train, or even met One One, then things would’ve played out differently for the train.
I now realized that the conversation Tulip and Atticus have at the beginning of the ball pit episode is foreshadowing for when she decides to save him instead of going home Nice
When Tulip said at 2:52 this is not your fault. Got me teared up a bit because we all blame ourselves for something that isn’t really our fault but we can’t help it cuz as human beings we tend to think of the worst possible scenarios and the “what if” but sometimes bad things just happened for no reason and we get mad and try to understand why did it happen when it didn’t have to happened when everything was just fine.
I never noticed before but in the scene at 4:48 tulips number is actively changing as she talks through her feelings about Amelia, it goes from a 62 to a 54
As a former angry 12-year-old, the way Tulip reacts to things really hit home with me. Like her blowing up at first, but then switching to “Fine, whatever. I can’t go.” - that’s exactly how I was when I was her age.
I love the car with all the problems in it, that episode probably has the most hints to One-One. From the more monotone voice, to the way he says this is all his fault.
The concept that your parents could be having " the talk " about the fact that you might get abducted by a train that fixes your problems it's really strange
I think there's just no point telling people about the train because those with a serious problem would not necessarily understand it and would escape it and those who think their situation is much worst than it is would fantasies on the train never to come back it just doesn't help better to just let people talk about it with each other when they want
That’s exactly why that scene is so good lol, she’s teaching him something but at the same time she’s also totally talking about herself TO herself. I like it cause it’s so accurate, it’s def happened to me before where I started giving someone advice and then realized halfway through it that I’M the one who should be following that advice too XD
As a person who's parents also went through a messy divorce, 1:09 really hit close to home. I love how Infinity Train addresses the genuine trauma divorces can have on both the couple and the children, even if it really is for the best for everyone involved 😢💖
I love how this demonstrates a difference between knowing and accepting. Just because you know and acknowledge something bad happened doesn’t mean you’ve accepted it. Tulip doesn’t deny her parents had a divorce, but she hasn’t excepted that it will bring change and growing pains.
I love the hypocrisy of the Conductor saying how One-One and Atticus had a place and by Tulip taking them out of it she put them in danger. While she literally took One from the place he belonged, basically creating a cult worshipping a false conductor that wheels denizens and wrecks the train.
My parents divorced around 2002 when I was about 12 years old. That stage when you're first getting into middle-school, classes suddenly get super hard, and everyone is mean is hard enough as it is. I was already a very quiet and shy person. Going back home and dealing with divorced parents and all the fighting made it even worse. It's hurt me more than any bully, bad teacher, or anything I'd ever experienced. You just become angry all the time and become obsessed over whatever form of escape you can find, like Tulip with her game. I literally remember tearing up strips of paper like how Tulip does at 1:35. I can't watch that scene without welling up in tears. I've never seen a cartoon, whether a Japanese anime, or a western cartoon from Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network that handles divorce as well as this or even much at all. They really did their research and I only wish I had someone like Tulip to look up too when I was a kid, but I'm really happy kids today who might be going through a divorce have her and Infinity Train. Growing up, of course I thought about what it would be like to go back in time, or maybe change things somehow like when Tulip was offered a cart where her parents were still together. But I honestly would refuse like she did, because it just wouldn't be real. I feel like it would still have happened no matter what I did because my parents just weren't happy together. I just wanna live in the present and try to make things better and I think that's how Tulip felt too. I'm 32 years old right now. For any kids who might have divorced parents, please know that things really do eventually get easier. It might take years or even decades, but eventually you grow up and have more power to build your own life. You make money for yourself, make friends of your own choosing instead of just whoever from school, and can build a future that's more than just this nightmare. It still hurts me if I think about it really hard, but it's not something that has to hang over your life forever. We still have our entire lives ahead of us!! please be strong, try to go out whenever you can, and don't let this ruin or take away the best part of you. Life is so much more than a tough school and a terrible home life. You're so much more than this and you can still live a fuller and happier life than you can imagine. We've already been through the hardest that life can throw at us and there's only good times ahead now. Like Tulip says, now we're ready for anything. I love you all and we're going to be okay 💖 ~Gabe
3:08 When I tell you this scene HURT the first time I watched it. That was the first time in a long time a show had made be bawl. “Just go away Tulip! That’s what you do best!” Hit me right at home. Same with Tulip’s line “I can just handle my problems myself! That’s completely different!” Tulip and I are very similar, and I saw myself in her so many times. I’m not a child of divorce, but her repression of her emotions through her interests and resistance to change is what really got to me.
I rise you that, with I came home from school to a half empty house as my mom took everything she could (even dad's bed) and she went off to God knows where. No living room or kitchen table... One say I sit down in the empty place and I kinda just stared to nothing. Sure I knew it was coming, but still felt a bit... Sudden.
@@Joe-mz6ez i wasnt seing it comming neither was anyone else. Turns out my moms old crush got divorced and that was the reason. He wasnt even interested because his divorce was a biproduct of him comming out of the closed. Edit: typo
@@hugovasquez8222 my parents had an inherently toxic relationships. With the hindsight of adulthood I can recognize that... But I be damn if I don't say I wasn't like tulip and be mad at them. Unlike you, I knew it was coming. My sister even more so, because mom presented us some of her "friends" whom she spent a lot of time with... She wasn't even subtle
@@Joe-mz6ez yeah that happened after she kicked my dad out just that i only heard them and their names while i had my own friends to visit or while trying to sleep.
I really needed this show growing up, you kids that got it and got to learn from the lessons it teaches at that crucial time in your life are very lucky
When I first watched this, my parents hadn’t been divorced yet. I was the same age as Tulip. I felt so seen by her character. The following year, quarantine happened, the divorce started to happen, and everything went downhill. I wish I got a decent ending like Tulip did where she still gets to have both of her parents in her life. My life wasn’t great before, but the divorce and absence of my mom messed me up.
Well he's doing it on purpose, he is the conductor of the train, and this car was designed to teach tulip something, help her to grow, he's been doing that the whole entire time, without tulip even knowing it.
@@doctordeathdefying132 Me too, it's great to see something unknown in their world actually trying to do good rather than trying to just be an inconvenience.
@@shmish5818 i think it's because this car was one of failed Amelia attempts. And it hadn't supposed to be here at all, it was broken from the get-go. Broken and wrong by design, alien to that train. That why it triggered One-ones conductor self, it wasn't created by him. P.S. After writing that comment, i realized how close it still relates to Tulips situation. It was his fault the car is that way, but he takes so much responsibility for it
When my parents got divorced I didn't became sad or mad....I just put on my head "they wouldn't be happy together,so let them be happy" my dad turned into a better person,and happier,my mom too,and I'm happy for them (Sorry bad English )
That's exactly how it happened to me. turns out, it was kinda of funny, 'cause i couldn't understand right (i was 5 years old), so i was on both sides, like there were sides. I was like: "hey dad, you could put this suit to the fight"
side note during 4:48 you can see tulips number at 62 then next time we see it its 54 in 4:58 so turns out numbers can change simply through your beliefs or thoughts it isn't limited to actions its interesting how she dropped from 62 to 0 in a matter of minutes simply by realizing what she did wrong infact I think its safe to assume no matter how high your number is if you suddenly find that your problems are solved it will drop instantly so maybe Amelia can get off the train sooner than we thought
@@reyalfa18 well, simon... Probably had some problems too serious and deep for the train to fix When he got the highest number he became completely insane, not being able to process the reality anymore. He was broken
Well a huge chunk of that 62 is stuff that she realized already and than in her moment of weakness fall back on it so her simply realizing going back to her old beliefs and also learning her final lesson is why it went to 0 think of the 50 something that got added as a still in calculations number that didn't set in
@@JuanReyes-vb3tj I think its more of simons denial. though its true that he was crying and laughing like he snapped from reality because he himself was horrified over him being willing to kick his best friend off the train despite her saving him. there might have been potential for something to change if he was given time to process since Grace was alive. but he wasnt given that chance and that happens at times. dude needed a strait jacket and ALO of therapy. the train tends to teach you but you mostly figure stuff out by yourself. in the end your sins and problems are turned into numbers to meassure your worth or how bad or redeemable you are or not...but thats still a outside system judging you. like the train/oneone didnt seem MT/Lake as a person even though we know she has value and thinks like a real person. they only got her out of the train on a technicality. the train brought all these kids here and didnt give them proper guidance. sure the train had been taken over but the train was the one who let amelia on the train anyway..not realizing that her grief would make her that determined to change reality and male a car to hide in her delusions to avoid reality. like WE deem simon as completely irreedabl and that he deserves what happened to him after what he did because we know he had opportunities to change his thought process but he chose denial and to avoid reality and dig in his heels. WE saw the moments where he had opportunities to change himself and do better but instead he bunked down. he hurt people WE saw were good or could care about him like Tuba, Hazel and Grace. and he chose to be worse rather than accept the problem or change. but alot of this change was very abrupt for him. Hazel had a impact on Grace e\because they thought she was a normal kid for a while. Grace got attached so when it was revealed she was sort of a denizen it was able to create a proper crack in Grace's mentality. it also helps that the mentality was something Grace came up with on her own and she was forced with the video to comfront the source of her problems until she accepted them. plus amelia has a really high number as well so its from a authorit with a higher number. Simon got to bond with Tube but the problem is that Simon had a strong seed of distrust and betrayal and hurt directly from a denisen he cared about who he trusted. so Tuba being a denisenand we assumed making some progress with simon could have mad a crack in simon and show they are people and wouldnt betray. but its that tuba seems to trustworthy that the betrayal flogs rose for simon because he used to trust and thought samantha was trust worthy as well. he started off around tuba with a closed off heart. and he got these new ideals from the ideas his best friend grace gave him who he put trust in. he should have adjusted and changed to match the changes Grace were going through. but they have wheeled denizens before. they have a system and grace very much approved of that before. and these changes in th status quo and the order if his life upends everything. years of positive reinforment of these ideals being the right thing by grace and the situations is hard to undo. Amelia literally spend years in her plan after taking over the train and she was forced out of her delusion by one one taking the train back over and tulip helping. Simon needed to be forced to accept the situation. and put in a situation where he could ease into it without power because its obvious he'd resist and lash out. him kicking her off the train was both a deliberate choice but also his habit of lashing out and clinging to his hurt still. like a child. just like tulip had years of not really accepting the divorce well. WE dont even know what originally got him on the train really compared to grace. WE saw him genuinely cry after he realized what he did. even if it was follow by over whelmed crazy laughter. leaving her in the tap was semi a death sentence but it was more hands off but kicking her off. and we never found out what would have happened if simon and grace talked after that kick. he literally thought he killed his best friend so it makes sense his numbers went off because she would have died and he knows that. but she also didn't. and as long as you are alive things can change. Grace still cared about Simon and cried after he turned into dust. but the train deemed him a lost cause and got rid of him..like how the train was going to be fine killing MT/Lake if it meant they wouldn't need to deal with adpting the rules. WE are used to judging the humans as reemable or irredeemable based on the numbers now. that if he was killed it must mean there was no more chance that he'd be able to change. the train judged. but we also know the train is very strict and its not really fair that the train chooses who is reemable or who has value and who doesn't. to us simon is a villian, terrible and this is just karma because he refused to adapt and he killed tuba and he tried to kill his best friend. its just easier to have him die irredeemable. his habit is going into denial and digging his heels and humans have a hard time accepting when we mess up. he tried to kill his best friend. would have suceeded if the denizens hadnt helped. if he accepts the denizens are people and can be good he'll have to accept he has been hurting and killing/wheeling people for years. he'd have to accept the mentaliity that kept him going for years was the wrong one and that he hadnt thought for himself and that it was because he trusted grace too much at first. he''s have to realize he did what the cat did and abandoned grace and thir friendship thinking the orginally mentality was more important to protect this that connects to the good memories. but we'll never know if maybe things could have changed is simon and grace talked after the attempted murder since we know he really was distressed about her dying...would he have relief? like there are people who get a unhealthy view and killed loved ones out of jealousy or passion or other stuff. just to realize they were the fucked up ones in the wrong. If the train wasnt so strict and logic based on how it handles their problems. like in the end Grace still cared about simon. it was definitely karma that hit simon...but h was also just a kid/teenager in the end. on the older spectrum of that. but people change over time. and simon wasnt give enough time in the end even if he didnt really deserve forgivness. but sometimes its not about deserve. he definitly snapped and once your crazy and off from reality it makes it harder to fix yourself. but Grace also didnt die so would the relief have changed anything?
If the series ever end... I hope the last season would end with Tulip as the MC again, that way it would have come full circle and would have been EXTREMELY symbolic.... idk am I the only one that feels the same?
Budgiedoreos_bad person yeah I like that too but I strangely feel at home with Tulip being the protagonist, if the series ever ended I hope the last season ended with Tulip being the Protagonist again, it just....idk... it just feels SOOOO right seeing her being the protagonist again... I can’t... explain this feeling
I'm not a child of divorce but I'm someone who has definitely struggled with change. I've lost a lot of friends and people who've left. I resonated with this season in that way. The scene at 2:01. One-One's words sounded exactly like I was hearing my 13 year old self. 3:07 as well.
Although my parents arent divorced they dont really have a relationship and i still kinda relate with Tulip on being angry. Im more angry that i feel its my fault theyre still together cuz im the youngest of 4 siblings and my mom cant support us or herself on her own so even tho she knows she needs to leave a toxic marriage they both stay together for the money benefits
Listen, don’t blame yourself! You know that is not true. I’m sure that there could be other reasons why your parents are still together! It isn’t you, it’s never the children whom are at fault! It’s the parents.
I'm also the youngest, although my anger mostly comes from me just being a brat. I try to be better but I have anger issues as I was bullied through out my whole life in school. I may be immature but I can be very wise at times. Everytime something bad happens I go to my own self for advice and my parents even go to me, sometimes my older brother does. If I was Tulip, I would have fully understand, after all I'm a pretty clever person even as a child (I meant clever as in knows very well, not clever as in being intelligent). Also my parents would have killed me if I yell at them. I guess Tulip's parents are more scared that Tulip actually is, they shouldn't be scared of anything. This is their own lives not Tulip's. If they want to get a full divorce then they can, they shouldn't try to make things work for Tulip. They should also not let Tulip yell at them, they should slapped her and tell her off on how she's in the wrong here. What would Tulip do if her parents find new people they fall in love with? Would she tell them off saying "You're not my real mom/dad! I shouldn't listen to you!" Is that it? I still never understood why people get divorced, if they weren't happy then why marry each other? My guess is either they weren't sure it wouldn't work or the condom broke. I want Tulip's parents to yell back and tell her she is wrong. It may be hard for Tulip but it's harder for her parents because they have to deal with an ungrateful brat that they can't stand up to. My nephew went through a similar thing but the difference is that he is very happy, while my parents are no where near separating and I often feel unhappy, it has nothing to do with my life being unhappy but rather that I just don't feel happy even though I have everything. Sometimes I believe once I accomplish my goal I could finally be happy. But sometimes success doesn't cost happiness, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't stop trying to continue my goal. Maybe one day everything will work out for me, but until then I don't know.
@@Nameless82284 I can tell you are young and not as mature as you think you are. It's embarrassingly obvious You will not always know what is best for you, no one does. I hope you're not still telling yourself that.
@@skiddlydiddlydoo4893 It's the only way to continue living, I'm mentally disabled but I'm working my way through school. If I didn't then I would end my life.
How about parents who have said more than once they want a divorce, or say I hate to one another, or almost pack their bags, but didn’t go through with it all because they’re forcing themselves to stay together for you?
oh lord I can’t watch this right now. I’m 29 my parents got divorced a year ago. I’m a grown adult with an older sibling. But this is breaking my heart. It was harder than I thought it would be.
Hey it could be much worst my parents had troubled and sometimes violent interactions till they decided to divorce I don't think you remember staying awake for weeks cause of screaming hey divorce suck but a late divorce sometimes is worst
@@feritperliare2890 hey bro know how that feels, except I thought that shit was done when they separated but my mom still found a way to fight with my dad
SNB idk i was also young when it happened and i’m glad it happened then, than if i was a teenager going through puberty and already dealing with my own emotional struggles
You know I'm surprised her number didn't start wrapping around her hand when she said "dont you see !nothing ever changes" that's a much worst case in my eyes than feeling you have caused your parents to divorce cause it's not only that but also every mistake cannot be fixed every wrong doing to you cannot be forgiven
This is a really small little detail but, one of my favorite moments in the whole show is at 2:44, where it seems like she realizes halfway through her speech that the situation is just like the one she’s going through and that she’s actually talking about herself TO herself. Like, you can tell all that just by watching her eyes and it’s a really cool thing:)
@@randomality77 not yet! It’s on my list of things I need to watch! I’m currently trying to watch the last bit of Avatar for one my friends and then some animes another friend wants me to see
Growing up a child of divorce, i hardly ever got to see families on TV that looked like mine. (The only one i can think of on the top of my head is The Suite Life of Zack & Cody.) The way Infinity Train tackles this is just one of the many reasons why it deserves more seasons. PLEASE support Infinity Train by streaming it on HBO Max, it’s pretty much the only way we can guarantee we’ll get more.
Bethany Bradley damn thats rough i’m really sorry to hear about all that. while my relationship with my dad has always been shaky, i’m thankful my mom knew well enough to put her foot down and get a divorce or i probably would’ve ended up worse than i am now. i hope you’re able to grow and move forward, best of luck
The thing you learn about divorce is two things.
One: Family is no longer invincible as they always preach. You have no reason to stay and you doubt their words and love even when they say, “We’ll always love you.” Also it is like seeing someone die. Something that you expect to live forever dies in front of you. It shatters your world and brings a grim reality to you.
Two: You have to take care of yourself. Even with two parents, it is like living with one or even none. You lose trust and reliance in them. You get angry and either blame yourself into depression or blame them and resent them. You can no longer depend on them anymore because they aren’t even together to help you or even capable of helping when the biggest part of their lives was broken on their watch.
My parents would argue a lot. ik people have worse story of divorced parents but damn it makes you feel soo alone and confused and I feel the whole blaming yourself for their divorce me and my brother felt like it was our fault and we still do, I was always close to my mom and I was somewhat close to my dad and I felt like maybe he thought we loved my mom more than him but thats not the case. I had a friend group where they had their parents love them and they were all still married i just felt out of place when I seen their parents happy together. I'm bad at dealing with my problems and feelings where I hate if I cry and stuff its gotten to the point where I haven't been able to cry for about a year. I've closed myself off from both parents now and they ask if things are okay and I just continue this cycle of running away
So when her dad said "were taking some time off from each other"
I remembered when I was like six they said that and I felt that man
I never knew how difficult my parents divorce was on me until I saw the pain Tulip was in and realized it was my own. I never wanted to think about it, but this show made me, and I think I've grown because of it. I guess you could say my number went down.
One thing I love is that Tulip doesn’t just *say* that she’s accepted her changes and immediately does a 180 shift - it takes 10 episodes for her to do that. Too often, you see characters accept change or choices with one speech or sentence, when in reality, acceptance can take a long time.
Natural character development.
That's the whole point of the show it would be really sad if they show that went so far to make such a plot fuck it up so hard to make it a flip flop development on a moment notice
For us it was 10 episodes but for her it was months
Definitely, in fiction a character can just say and acknowledge they need help or know what they need to do, but they're not there mentally and emotionally yet, so it needs to be actually worked out.
I understand her pain, too, but not everyone has it so well in life😔
At least Amelia redeemed herself unlike a certain Harambe-killing blonde guy.
To be fair he was much younger and been through worse
@@l0sts0ul89 we don t know too much of his backstory. We only know that samantha abandoned him and a couple more things that mostly happened on the train. His number was lower than grace s though. So whatever his trauma or problem was, it wasn t bigger than grace s
@@l0sts0ul89 We don't really know if he has been through "worse" than Amelia but we still shouldn't wage different traumas against each other
Xach Mustel she’s in the process at least, hopefully in Book 4 we get to complete that arc 🤞
Amelia has a long way to go still. Hazel went with her because of the obvious but Amelia still feels little if anything for what she considers a 'failed experiment'.
It's absolutely crazy how much of an effect this 13 year old girl made on the train. She gave Lake the confidence to become her own person in Book 2, returned One-One as the conductor, stopped Amelia as the false conductor, and helped her start accepting her pain, which brought Amelia to Grace in Book 3. Apart from Book 4, every season was affected in some way by Tulip.
What an absolute MadLass
The only reason she didn’t affect Book 4 was because it was a prequel
@@chicken0w044 Wait what? So that announcement she made was actually the time she removed the real conductor?
@@ronaldaguillas7771 yes
@@ronaldaguillas7771 It is implicit when amelia is a younger version working with one one ;)
@@kevin-jd8if with One*. One became One-One after Amelia took over the train
“Your a good boy”
*”I’m a good MAN”*
I would freakout if my my old boy say that
You're
man, i can't believe that tulip straight up said "divorce". it felt like "let's just get all this kid show junk overwith and say it DIVORCE." but also, it's incredible how she developed so much. and it's beautiful how her number represents that.
Tulip saying the word "divorce" is really important. While it may seem like a small detail, it shows how Infinity Train doesn't hold it's punches. It deals with REAL issues and doesn't dance around them. It presents them in realistic, lowly romanticized ways.
I love tulip's voice actress
Ashley Johnson. She's also the voice of Terra from Teen Titans and teen Gwen Tennyson from Ben 10: Alien Force.
And Petra from Minecraft Story Mode
im here after watching teen titans and wondered why terra sounded like tulip so much
Also Patterson in Blindspot and Pike and Yasha in Critical Role! Ashley's super talented
@@discoelysia don’t forget Fern!!
Imagine how guilty tulips parents felt. Cause what they probably think happened was, tulip was upset about the divorce so she ran away and went missing for 5 months, the camp says she wasn’t there, none of her friends said she saw her, so she’d been pronounced missing, they probably felt like really bad parents, so they would’ve been so relieved when she came home.
I just realized that every season of infinity train has the future seasons protagonist in it. They always show the character has an unresolved arc and the next season resolves it. Good storytelling and build up for characters in my opinion. It makes you interested in the next story without pushing the current one to the back and makes sure to separate the new protagonist before the current story ends.
WE *NEED* A BOOK ABOUT AMELIA
Book 4 be like
*Im bout to end this mans whole career*
I like the part where Tulip tells One One that is not his fault that the cart is that way. Sometimes we tend to blame ourselves about things that are totally out our control. We think that if we could have been better, things could have turned out differently.
but he is the real conductor, maybe that is the reason he thinks he is responsible for that and that he must fix it
That’s not the point the point is she is telling one one what she should be telling herself
I'm still so mad that this got cancelled. It tackles so many themes that no other show, especially no other children's show, covers. I wish I had shows like this as a kid
Yeah, It's not fair
I agree to a degree, but i don't think this show is for children, for teenager is ok
Gosh, I love Tulip's development so much in Book 1, she's undeniably my favorite character in the show
for a guy who had parents who divorce i can relate to tulip as sometimes we want things to be fixed or mended but sometimes we realize it always be fathers good mothers bad or mothers good fathers bad as well as that sometimes people in their marriage wont always be happy or at least find any more grounds with each others but will always try and be their for their kids
Same
Divorce as a child is.... difficult.
This definitely captures a lot of the struggle.
They're choosing to lead lives where they can be happy, or at least not unhappy.
And a lot of the time, the kids fall through the cracks as they deal with the changes in responsibilities and timing.
Tulip: "You're a good boy, Atticus."
Atticus: "I'm a good man."
6:19 Its a lovely touch that in the real world Tulip doesn't have her reflection, because Lake is their own person now!
😳
month late but i wonder if she ever just had the inconvenience of never seeing her reflection ever again, would be cool to have an epilogue where she reunites with Lake and they pull some mirror shenanigans
@@goodboi1725 she probably got a new one assigned, one recycled after their "prime" died.
@@MidBoss666 Could be, but I like to think that she never got her reflection back, her actions had consequences.
@@goodboi1725 well, I just think they wouldn't let her run around without one for long, they do have strict laws after all.
As far as consequences go, it would be far cooler if Tulip met Lake in the real world at some point.
I didn't notice this before, but when the parents are telling Tulip they're getting a divorce, the Dad is still wearing his wedding band, while the Mom is not. Really shows how they were feeling about separating :( Mom knew it was permanent, Dad was still hopeful. At least at the end when the Dad is driving Tulip to her coding camp, the Dad has also taken of his wedding band. He's accepted it too now, and he looked a lot better.
Tulip will always be the best protagonist on the show
Angry Ryan and Min sounds
Even angrier Lake sounds
@@roseevans4101 Lake is a super close second
Team Lake here, yo, but Tulip's still above the others by a good bit for me.
Jesse was good
Not only was she the best protagonist, she was also a very smart figure.
If this show gets cancelled I'm going to become a super villain
That's actually genius
Then you'll go onto the infinity train because you're evil and then they'll have to make another season because the only way to get your number down is to make the next season
holy shit I should be a super villain
Ivysword 2001 hmm maybe I can get on if I get trauma
well
😬
WELL
I was a teenager when my parents got divorced. Like Tulip I grew up watching them fight, seeing my dad sleeping on the couch, sometimes nearly ruining family vacations. There really is something validating in seeing that portrayed in media
One of my friends has divorced parents, and he saw it coming from a mile away, kinda like you. For him, he wasn't surprised and was just kind of relieved the fighting was done. What was it like for you, if you don't mind me asking.
@@Flarflenugen sorry, I literally just saw this. I was relieved at first, but then both of my parents kind of fell apart. My dad started drowning himself in alcohol, and would sometimes lash out at my mom over the phone over mundane things. My mom meanwhile started dating. She managed to find a couple guys far worse than my dad. The first was a straight up misogynist who looked down on her, the second had a bad tempor. He never put his hands on her, but he would yell and argue with her over just about anything. After about a year my parents got back together. It didn't surprise me since it was literally the third time they had separated since I had been born, but I still didn't know what to think. I ended up deciding that I didn't want to be around it anymore and moved out. Three years later they're still holding together somehow, and I'm still scraping by living with roommates.
Sorry for the wait, and long reply
@@cobalt-6D it's understandable, the question I had warranted a long reply.
That's sad, for you and them. Sounds like they just want to be miserable together, and I'm glad that you've realized that they are both toxic and it was best for yourself to not be around them.
Sucks they can figure out themselves, but as you know that isn't your problem. Them dating toxic people or falling into alcoholism is on them, and I'm glad you are out of that.
Live your best life. If they improve, good on them. But remember, you dont owe them anything if you don't want to get involved again
when my parents got divorced they never even bothered to sit me down and talk to me about it. they just did it all behind the scenes until one day i said "mom, why havent i seen daddy lately?"
I'm sorry to hear that. I wish you the best to keep moving forward.
Well, I’ve seen a lot of such cases in divorce shows and movies, and I sympathize with you.
Ohhh wow. That makes just about as much sense as the “let’s not let our daughter find out what a period is until it happens to her at school in the middle of class for the first time” bullshit thing that some parents do XD.
I’m not even close to being a parent yet lol but just speaking from common sense, waiting until something is already happening/has happened to tell someone who needs to know about it almost ALWAYS leads to a huge disaster and lots of drama and fighting. That was very stupid of them
Did they just not care? Or could they have worried you would react like Tulip did?
@@kylestubbs8867 if they were worried they were gonna have a big reaction then they wouldn’t have stalled it for that long, it seems like the opposite like they thought the kid wouldn’t care that much and so they didn’t bother to explain it
My personal headcanon is that, whener Tulip goes to a mirror and doesn't see her reflection, she smiles and thinks:
"Everything's fine. She's still living her own life"
What about when _other people_ don’t see her reflection?
She’d either have to explain her adventure on the train… or come up with a cover story.
@@kylestubbs8867she will be very popular with the goth girls at school because they all will think she’s a vampire LOL
Yup running around somewhere in Arizona with a big goofy kid in a school jersey jacket. The best life there is to be honest:)
"Are you okay?"
"Yeah. Why wouldn't I be?"
"You're not."
that one hits me
I love the scene where she walks past the mirror, it just confirms all the things that happened were real and makes the Apex events even sadder when the denizens get hurt.
Although I don't have divorced parents, that certainly does NOT mean I can't feel any sympathy for what Tulip has to go through. Infinity Train did a fantastic job tackling the issues of children with divorced parents very well, and I REALLY appreciated how well developed Tulip's character development throughout Book 1 was. Thanks for sharing this, my dude. :)
i wonder if anyone notices she straight up has no reflection anymore. like does she show up in pictures? is this how vampires are created?
I think she still shows up in pictures, but she does not have a reflection. I think it the last episode she passes a mirror and she has no reflection.
@@MaeArt725 she has no reflection yeah
I haven't realized lol
@@MaeArt725 Woah. Good eye.
Ngl tulip's speech after watching Amelia's tape hurt something in me
I just realized Tulip's VA is Elle from Last of Us
I found out that she was the voice actress for Petra from Minecraft: Story Mode, which coincidentally had a character named Jesse, as well.
And Gwen Tennyson from Ben 10 Alien Force through Omniverse.
Ashley johnson is the best VA ever
well in my opinion atleast
That’s very interesting
Petra from Minecraft Story Mode.
The reason that 1:11 hits so hard is the moment before. At first, Tulip's memory is way more dramatic, the room is on fire while her parents scream at her "divorced! divorced! divorced!", Because that's what it felt like to her in that moment. Because that's a lot easier to remember than to except the fact that the worst moment in your life is just a calm conversation between you and your parents in your home, a conversation that would seem utterly mundane to an out-looker, but to you it feels like the floor has been stolen from beneath your feet
I don’t know why I get so moved by the fact that Tulip doesn’t have a reflection in the mirror in the last episode
lake's free.
same
I’m a child of divorce and felt scared to express my issues with it because I was afraid of the potential consequences. When Infinity Train Book 1 came and how Tulip got on the train in the first place was revealed, I understood her perfectly and felt like we would’ve gotten along since we possessed similar problems. The lessons are understandable, but are sometimes difficult to commit to. She must’ve been as heartbroken as I was and probably many of you who are the children of divorced parents. I’m glad she’s happy now and feels more comfortable with those changes. However, I gotta ask, has Owen given us context as to whether or not people noticed Lake, Tulip’s reflection, is gone?
It is gone! In the last episode of book one Tulip walks in front of a mirror and has no reflection!
Tulip's reflection is gone, i wonder if people think she's a vampire or something
@@yez9475 either that or they all think the mirror is broken. Eventually she'll have new reflection. Since the mirror world has replacements.
@@kingnamor7777 Lake isn’t dead, so Tulips reflection won’t ever be replaced unless Lake dies
To be honest, Tulip technically saved the train. If she wasn’t on the train, or even met One One, then things would’ve played out differently for the train.
For me Infinity train is considered a Masterpiece
Same. It handles the subject of trauma and taking responsibility for our actions way better than Steven Universe ever could try to be.
That's because it is.
I now realized that the conversation Tulip and Atticus have at the beginning of the ball pit episode is foreshadowing for when she decides to save him instead of going home
Nice
This show is a masterpiece
Cel Confitech cutback but nightmare fuel
The show better not get cancelled
It really is. One of the few shows I'd give 10/10 tbh
@@tileramderson6549 oh boy
Has anyone told you yet? ...
When Tulip said at 2:52 this is not your fault. Got me teared up a bit because we all blame ourselves for something that isn’t really our fault but we can’t help it cuz as human beings we tend to think of the worst possible scenarios and the “what if” but sometimes bad things just happened for no reason and we get mad and try to understand why did it happen when it didn’t have to happened when everything was just fine.
I never noticed before but in the scene at 4:48 tulips number is actively changing as she talks through her feelings about Amelia, it goes from a 62 to a 54
As a former angry 12-year-old, the way Tulip reacts to things really hit home with me. Like her blowing up at first, but then switching to “Fine, whatever. I can’t go.” - that’s exactly how I was when I was her age.
"It's okay to cry."
- One-One
-The person who can’t cry
I love the car with all the problems in it, that episode probably has the most hints to One-One. From the more monotone voice, to the way he says this is all his fault.
this is the first time ive ever noticed that when tulip and her dad walk past that mirror, she doesnt have a reflection ohhhh im so SILLY
6:18 Details my friends... Lake is real now.
The concept that your parents could be having " the talk " about the fact that you might get abducted by a train that fixes your problems it's really strange
I think there's just no point telling people about the train because those with a serious problem would not necessarily understand it and would escape it and those who think their situation is much worst than it is would fantasies on the train never to come back it just doesn't help better to just let people talk about it with each other when they want
When tulip was talking to won won she was really just telling them what she wanted to hear.
That’s exactly why that scene is so good lol, she’s teaching him something but at the same time she’s also totally talking about herself TO herself. I like it cause it’s so accurate, it’s def happened to me before where I started giving someone advice and then realized halfway through it that I’M the one who should be following that advice too XD
As a person who's parents also went through a messy divorce, 1:09 really hit close to home. I love how Infinity Train addresses the genuine trauma divorces can have on both the couple and the children, even if it really is for the best for everyone involved 😢💖
I love how this demonstrates a difference between knowing and accepting.
Just because you know and acknowledge something bad happened doesn’t mean you’ve accepted it.
Tulip doesn’t deny her parents had a divorce, but she hasn’t excepted that it will bring change and growing pains.
I love the hypocrisy of the Conductor saying how One-One and Atticus had a place and by Tulip taking them out of it she put them in danger.
While she literally took One from the place he belonged, basically creating a cult worshipping a false conductor that wheels denizens and wrecks the train.
She was also literally the one who shot Atticus...
She WAS the danger
My parents divorced around 2002 when I was about 12 years old. That stage when you're first getting into middle-school, classes suddenly get super hard, and everyone is mean is hard enough as it is. I was already a very quiet and shy person. Going back home and dealing with divorced parents and all the fighting made it even worse. It's hurt me more than any bully, bad teacher, or anything I'd ever experienced. You just become angry all the time and become obsessed over whatever form of escape you can find, like Tulip with her game. I literally remember tearing up strips of paper like how Tulip does at 1:35. I can't watch that scene without welling up in tears. I've never seen a cartoon, whether a Japanese anime, or a western cartoon from Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network that handles divorce as well as this or even much at all. They really did their research and I only wish I had someone like Tulip to look up too when I was a kid, but I'm really happy kids today who might be going through a divorce have her and Infinity Train.
Growing up, of course I thought about what it would be like to go back in time, or maybe change things somehow like when Tulip was offered a cart where her parents were still together. But I honestly would refuse like she did, because it just wouldn't be real. I feel like it would still have happened no matter what I did because my parents just weren't happy together. I just wanna live in the present and try to make things better and I think that's how Tulip felt too.
I'm 32 years old right now. For any kids who might have divorced parents, please know that things really do eventually get easier. It might take years or even decades, but eventually you grow up and have more power to build your own life. You make money for yourself, make friends of your own choosing instead of just whoever from school, and can build a future that's more than just this nightmare. It still hurts me if I think about it really hard, but it's not something that has to hang over your life forever. We still have our entire lives ahead of us!! please be strong, try to go out whenever you can, and don't let this ruin or take away the best part of you. Life is so much more than a tough school and a terrible home life. You're so much more than this and you can still live a fuller and happier life than you can imagine. We've already been through the hardest that life can throw at us and there's only good times ahead now. Like Tulip says, now we're ready for anything.
I love you all and we're going to be okay 💖
~Gabe
Dude this is literally the same as my situation except it happed like 16 years later
Thx it brings me small comfort knowing the situation gets better
@@stevenquartzcutiepiedemayo8272 💖💖💖 of course!! I'm happy everyone today have characters like Tulip to look up too and empathize with
I hope tulip meet lake again
And HBO Max is removing this? How disrespectful!
I just realized that with her reflection free, tulip really has no more reflection cause her reflection is her own person named Lake
Yeah. I wonder if her parents saw her with no reflection how would they react 🤔
How is she supposed to see herself then?
@@Nameless82284 msybe with cameras
@@razminfox1787 Maybe she could get her OWN reflection, instead of using someone else.
3:08
When I tell you this scene HURT the first time I watched it. That was the first time in a long time a show had made be bawl. “Just go away Tulip! That’s what you do best!” Hit me right at home. Same with Tulip’s line “I can just handle my problems myself! That’s completely different!”
Tulip and I are very similar, and I saw myself in her so many times. I’m not a child of divorce, but her repression of her emotions through her interests and resistance to change is what really got to me.
Ay yes, infinity *pain*
Anyone else notice in the last scene when tulip and her dad walk in front of the mirror she doesn't have a reflection?
I think it's because mt(her reflection) ran away in book 1, so now she just doesn't have a reflection lol.
I WAS HOPING THEY DID THAT, THATS SO COOL
Hoo boy… how long before someone asks about that? She might have to pretend she’s a vampire.
"They didn't have to be here." Shook my soul
Well at least the parents told her.
My dad literally came home from work and was forced by my mom to leave....
I rise you that, with I came home from school to a half empty house as my mom took everything she could (even dad's bed) and she went off to God knows where.
No living room or kitchen table... One say I sit down in the empty place and I kinda just stared to nothing. Sure I knew it was coming, but still felt a bit... Sudden.
@@Joe-mz6ez i wasnt seing it comming neither was anyone else.
Turns out my moms old crush got divorced and that was the reason.
He wasnt even interested because his divorce was a biproduct of him comming out of the closed.
Edit: typo
@@hugovasquez8222 my parents had an inherently toxic relationships. With the hindsight of adulthood I can recognize that... But I be damn if I don't say I wasn't like tulip and be mad at them.
Unlike you, I knew it was coming. My sister even more so, because mom presented us some of her "friends" whom she spent a lot of time with... She wasn't even subtle
@@Joe-mz6ez yeah that happened after she kicked my dad out just that i only heard them and their names while i had my own friends to visit or while trying to sleep.
The Infinity Train: exists
SCP-Foundation: "Hello there."
More like
"I'll allow it"
I really needed this show growing up, you kids that got it and got to learn from the lessons it teaches at that crucial time in your life are very lucky
When I first watched this, my parents hadn’t been divorced yet. I was the same age as Tulip. I felt so seen by her character. The following year, quarantine happened, the divorce started to happen, and everything went downhill. I wish I got a decent ending like Tulip did where she still gets to have both of her parents in her life. My life wasn’t great before, but the divorce and absence of my mom messed me up.
Welcome back to another episode of Ashley Johnson Being an Incredible Voice Actor
What’s the matter with you?
@@polskizobot7624 how much time you got?
@@cinnamonzor7043 Why are you asking?
@@polskizobot7624 tis an attempt at humor based on the question posed
Lol
But yeah you're right
0:55 oh darn , tulip got the gamer set up
One-One speaking with both voices scared me. I knew something was wrong at that point
Well he's doing it on purpose, he is the conductor of the train, and this car was designed to teach tulip something, help her to grow, he's been doing that the whole entire time, without tulip even knowing it.
@@shmish5818, I really liked the fact the point of the train was character development
@@doctordeathdefying132 Me too, it's great to see something unknown in their world actually trying to do good rather than trying to just be an inconvenience.
@@shmish5818 i think it's because this car was one of failed Amelia attempts. And it hadn't supposed to be here at all, it was broken from the get-go. Broken and wrong by design, alien to that train. That why it triggered One-ones conductor self, it wasn't created by him.
P.S. After writing that comment, i realized how close it still relates to Tulips situation. It was his fault the car is that way, but he takes so much responsibility for it
I really miss the past main characters like tulip, jesse, etc
I missed tulip the most
I hope they all come back in a season
When my parents got divorced I didn't became sad or mad....I just put on my head "they wouldn't be happy together,so let them be happy" my dad turned into a better person,and happier,my mom too,and I'm happy for them
(Sorry bad English )
That's exactly how it happened to me. turns out, it was kinda of funny, 'cause i couldn't understand right (i was 5 years old), so i was on both sides, like there were sides. I was like: "hey dad, you could put this suit to the fight"
0:29 hits a bit hard for me. Idk why
Tulip's VA does a REALLY good job of making her feel absolutely distraught
being a child of divorce I haven't seen my mother since I was 15, I am 32 now.
17 years😢
"Its two of you and one kid"
Oh ouch
Same
side note during 4:48 you can see tulips number at 62 then next time we see it its 54 in 4:58
so turns out numbers can change simply through your beliefs or thoughts it isn't limited to actions
its interesting how she dropped from 62 to 0 in a matter of minutes simply by realizing what she did wrong
infact I think its safe to assume no matter how high your number is if you suddenly find that your problems are solved it will drop instantly
so maybe Amelia can get off the train sooner than we thought
@@reyalfa18 well, simon... Probably had some problems too serious and deep for the train to fix
When he got the highest number he became completely insane, not being able to process the reality anymore. He was broken
Well a huge chunk of that 62 is stuff that she realized already and than in her moment of weakness fall back on it so her simply realizing going back to her old beliefs and also learning her final lesson is why it went to 0 think of the 50 something that got added as a still in calculations number that didn't set in
@@JuanReyes-vb3tj I think its more of simons denial. though its true that he was crying and laughing like he snapped from reality because he himself was horrified over him being willing to kick his best friend off the train despite her saving him. there might have been potential for something to change if he was given time to process since Grace was alive. but he wasnt given that chance and that happens at times. dude needed a strait jacket and ALO of therapy. the train tends to teach you but you mostly figure stuff out by yourself. in the end your sins and problems are turned into numbers to meassure your worth or how bad or redeemable you are or not...but thats still a outside system judging you.
like the train/oneone didnt seem MT/Lake as a person even though we know she has value and thinks like a real person. they only got her out of the train on a technicality. the train brought all these kids here and didnt give them proper guidance. sure the train had been taken over but the train was the one who let amelia on the train anyway..not realizing that her grief would make her that determined to change reality and male a car to hide in her delusions to avoid reality.
like WE deem simon as completely irreedabl and that he deserves what happened to him after what he did because we know he had opportunities to change his thought process but he chose denial and to avoid reality and dig in his heels. WE saw the moments where he had opportunities to change himself and do better but instead he bunked down. he hurt people WE saw were good or could care about him like Tuba, Hazel and Grace. and he chose to be worse rather than accept the problem or change. but alot of this change was very abrupt for him.
Hazel had a impact on Grace e\because they thought she was a normal kid for a while. Grace got attached so when it was revealed she was sort of a denizen it was able to create a proper crack in Grace's mentality. it also helps that the mentality was something Grace came up with on her own and she was forced with the video to comfront the source of her problems until she accepted them. plus amelia has a really high number as well so its from a authorit with a higher number.
Simon got to bond with Tube but the problem is that Simon had a strong seed of distrust and betrayal and hurt directly from a denisen he cared about who he trusted. so Tuba being a denisenand we assumed making some progress with simon could have mad a crack in simon and show they are people and wouldnt betray. but its that tuba seems to trustworthy that the betrayal flogs rose for simon because he used to trust and thought samantha was trust worthy as well. he started off around tuba with a closed off heart. and he got these new ideals from the ideas his best friend grace gave him who he put trust in.
he should have adjusted and changed to match the changes Grace were going through. but they have wheeled denizens before. they have a system and grace very much approved of that before. and these changes in th status quo and the order if his life upends everything. years of positive reinforment of these ideals being the right thing by grace and the situations is hard to undo.
Amelia literally spend years in her plan after taking over the train and she was forced out of her delusion by one one taking the train back over and tulip helping.
Simon needed to be forced to accept the situation. and put in a situation where he could ease into it without power because its obvious he'd resist and lash out. him kicking her off the train was both a deliberate choice but also his habit of lashing out and clinging to his hurt still. like a child. just like tulip had years of not really accepting the divorce well. WE dont even know what originally got him on the train really compared to grace. WE saw him genuinely cry after he realized what he did. even if it was follow by over whelmed crazy laughter. leaving her in the tap was semi a death sentence but it was more hands off but kicking her off.
and we never found out what would have happened if simon and grace talked after that kick. he literally thought he killed his best friend so it makes sense his numbers went off because she would have died and he knows that. but she also didn't. and as long as you are alive things can change.
Grace still cared about Simon and cried after he turned into dust.
but the train deemed him a lost cause and got rid of him..like how the train was going to be fine killing MT/Lake if it meant they wouldn't need to deal with adpting the rules. WE are used to judging the humans as reemable or irredeemable based on the numbers now. that if he was killed it must mean there was no more chance that he'd be able to change. the train judged. but we also know the train is very strict and its not really fair that the train chooses who is reemable or who has value and who doesn't.
to us simon is a villian, terrible and this is just karma because he refused to adapt and he killed tuba and he tried to kill his best friend. its just easier to have him die irredeemable.
his habit is going into denial and digging his heels and humans have a hard time accepting when we mess up. he tried to kill his best friend. would have suceeded if the denizens hadnt helped. if he accepts the denizens are people and can be good he'll have to accept he has been hurting and killing/wheeling people for years. he'd have to accept the mentaliity that kept him going for years was the wrong one and that he hadnt thought for himself and that it was because he trusted grace too much at first. he''s have to realize he did what the cat did and abandoned grace and thir friendship thinking the orginally mentality was more important to protect this that connects to the good memories.
but we'll never know if maybe things could have changed is simon and grace talked after the attempted murder since we know he really was distressed about her dying...would he have relief?
like there are people who get a unhealthy view and killed loved ones out of jealousy or passion or other stuff. just to realize they were the fucked up ones in the wrong.
If the train wasnt so strict and logic based on how it handles their problems. like in the end Grace still cared about simon. it was definitely karma that hit simon...but h was also just a kid/teenager in the end. on the older spectrum of that. but people change over time. and simon wasnt give enough time in the end even if he didnt really deserve forgivness. but sometimes its not about deserve.
he definitly snapped and once your crazy and off from reality it makes it harder to fix yourself. but Grace also didnt die so would the relief have changed anything?
Fairy welp. Now he can't. RIP
Clarisa Calderon I can't believe I read all that. Dang that's some big brain thinking there
*Im a good M A N*
me a trans man relating
@@KarutoZoaldyeck you are a great man :)
If the series ever end... I hope the last season would end with Tulip as the MC again, that way it would have come full circle and would have been EXTREMELY symbolic.... idk am I the only one that feels the same?
Budgiedoreos_bad person yeah I like that too but I strangely feel at home with Tulip being the protagonist, if the series ever ended I hope the last season ended with Tulip being the Protagonist again, it just....idk... it just feels SOOOO right seeing her being the protagonist again... I can’t... explain this feeling
Id be happy with either her or Amelia
6:19 A very cool detail imo
Huh, until now I never saw that. And to anyone reading without looking, recheck the scene closely.
I guess she's a vampire now lol
@@COrraThereal0ne Lol
@@COrraThereal0ne I think that's because MT is gone, so she has no more reflection at all.
@@nonopaddle4400How long before someone notices and makes a big fuss, I wonder?
I’m a good *man*
He really is.
I'm not a child of divorce but I'm someone who has definitely struggled with change. I've lost a lot of friends and people who've left. I resonated with this season in that way.
The scene at 2:01. One-One's words sounded exactly like I was hearing my 13 year old self. 3:07 as well.
-Your a good boy...
- No, i'm a good m'en
This simple phrase Make me want to see this serie ( thanks)
Although my parents arent divorced they dont really have a relationship and i still kinda relate with Tulip on being angry. Im more angry that i feel its my fault theyre still together cuz im the youngest of 4 siblings and my mom cant support us or herself on her own so even tho she knows she needs to leave a toxic marriage they both stay together for the money benefits
Listen, don’t blame yourself! You know that is not true. I’m sure that there could be other reasons why your parents are still together! It isn’t you, it’s never the children whom are at fault! It’s the parents.
I'm also the youngest, although my anger mostly comes from me just being a brat. I try to be better but I have anger issues as I was bullied through out my whole life in school. I may be immature but I can be very wise at times. Everytime something bad happens I go to my own self for advice and my parents even go to me, sometimes my older brother does. If I was Tulip, I would have fully understand, after all I'm a pretty clever person even as a child (I meant clever as in knows very well, not clever as in being intelligent). Also my parents would have killed me if I yell at them. I guess Tulip's parents are more scared that Tulip actually is, they shouldn't be scared of anything. This is their own lives not Tulip's. If they want to get a full divorce then they can, they shouldn't try to make things work for Tulip. They should also not let Tulip yell at them, they should slapped her and tell her off on how she's in the wrong here. What would Tulip do if her parents find new people they fall in love with? Would she tell them off saying "You're not my real mom/dad! I shouldn't listen to you!" Is that it? I still never understood why people get divorced, if they weren't happy then why marry each other? My guess is either they weren't sure it wouldn't work or the condom broke. I want Tulip's parents to yell back and tell her she is wrong. It may be hard for Tulip but it's harder for her parents because they have to deal with an ungrateful brat that they can't stand up to. My nephew went through a similar thing but the difference is that he is very happy, while my parents are no where near separating and I often feel unhappy, it has nothing to do with my life being unhappy but rather that I just don't feel happy even though I have everything. Sometimes I believe once I accomplish my goal I could finally be happy. But sometimes success doesn't cost happiness, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't stop trying to continue my goal. Maybe one day everything will work out for me, but until then I don't know.
@@Nameless82284 I can tell you are young and not as mature as you think you are. It's embarrassingly obvious
You will not always know what is best for you, no one does. I hope you're not still telling yourself that.
@@skiddlydiddlydoo4893 It's the only way to continue living, I'm mentally disabled but I'm working my way through school. If I didn't then I would end my life.
How about parents who have said more than once they want a divorce, or say I hate to one another, or almost pack their bags, but didn’t go through with it all because they’re forcing themselves to stay together for you?
oh lord I can’t watch this right now. I’m 29 my parents got divorced a year ago. I’m a grown adult with an older sibling. But this is breaking my heart. It was harder than I thought it would be.
2:20 Tulip may as well be talking to herself.
ahhhh i haven’t even noticed that that’s the best part man this show is so good
That's kind of the point
"I'm a good man"
I know that parents going through a divorce is tough luckily my parents got a divorce when I was 3 or 4
Wait I dont think that's any better
Hey it could be much worst my parents had troubled and sometimes violent interactions till they decided to divorce I don't think you remember staying awake for weeks cause of screaming hey divorce suck but a late divorce sometimes is worst
@@feritperliare2890 hey bro know how that feels, except I thought that shit was done when they separated but my mom still found a way to fight with my dad
SNB idk i was also young when it happened and i’m glad it happened then, than if i was a teenager going through puberty and already dealing with my own emotional struggles
God this show is amazing
6:19 in this scene tulip doesn’t have a reflection
It's because Lake was her reflection but no longer is so now she doesn't have one
I never realized the seasons had names.
You know I'm surprised her number didn't start wrapping around her hand when she said "dont you see !nothing ever changes" that's a much worst case in my eyes than feeling you have caused your parents to divorce cause it's not only that but also every mistake cannot be fixed every wrong doing to you cannot be forgiven
God I'm crying. Took three minutes but now I'm sobbing
My dude didn’t include Atticus getting shot💀💀💀💀
This show deserves more love if you guys want this to be continued
Season 1 was the best one
I thought s2 was
I liked the third one the best but I love all of the seasons
Yeah book 1 was amazing and tulip is an amazing protagonist.
Agreed
Agree Tulip is best very mature protagonist in infinity train series in book 1.🙂
0:03
Not anymore
noooo
😭😭😭
Too soon.
😭😭
Too soon ;-;
4:58 Me whenever I see a abuser/villain backstory
4:13 for the “you killed my friends audio!
Thank you.
@@REV-ENANT of course!
This is a really small little detail but, one of my favorite moments in the whole show is at 2:44, where it seems like she realizes halfway through her speech that the situation is just like the one she’s going through and that she’s actually talking about herself TO herself. Like, you can tell all that just by watching her eyes and it’s a really cool thing:)
I need the train in my life.
4:20 the way she says this so quintessentially Cersei, why didnt i realize this was Lena Heady before?
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO REALIZES AMELIA IS CERSEI
This is such a good role for her
1:10 This moment is when this show became a Code Lyoko Level Quailty Serise
OMG, you're right!
@@pennysanchez7656 Heck Yeah, I'm Right
Glad to see someone else remembers Code Lyoko fondly 😀
@@thegeekyskunkgamer since 2004, Buddy
Amost nearing the 20th Anniversary
@@jtlovescodelyoko Same! That show has been my number one forever and always. Not even Steven Universe or Infinity Train has surpassed it
I hate how they removed this from hbo max/max 😭 DAMN YOU WARNER BROS YOU MAY HAVE CREATED DAMN GOOD SHOWS BUT YOUR SO DAMN EVIL 😭😭😭
I think this show should come back on Adult Swim and tackle much more complicated problems we deal in our adulthood
And childhood
3:44-4:00 Kind of weird that Atticus's crown isn't falling down when he's upside down.
maybe he took the turtle's advice of bobby pins
Maybe it’s stuck to his head? Or it comes with being a denizen of the train? Logic and physics don’t work quite the same there.
My dumbass brain thinks it's superglued to his head.
Damn son my parents been divorced for 20 years and Tulip still got me tearing up
I’ve never watched Infinity Train but I loved Ashley Johnson because of Critical Role 😂
Have you watched it yet?
@@randomality77 not yet! It’s on my list of things I need to watch! I’m currently trying to watch the last bit of Avatar for one my friends and then some animes another friend wants me to see
@@luckybug479 Okay, well good luck XD
PS what's Critical Role? What's that about?
It’s super fun! I absolutely love it! I recommend checking out clips to see what you think as the actual streams are very long 😁
@@luckybug479 Okay thx for the recommendation. Just a question though: is it kid friendly?
How's Tulip supposed to do her hair without a reflection?
her friends are going to have rumors that she's a vampire
@@daveroll6463 than lake sends tulip an email and all of tulip's friends freak out because their friend's reflection came to life
@@feritperliare2890 she can say she's the new Peter Pan
Camera?
David Reoul She can use her phone camera
I adore this show so much.