In terms of Jane's "Unknown" faction, I'm pretty sure she's just going to be part of N.E.P.S. In the official faction trailers she was shown on the same line-up with the rest of the NEPS, and the update is called UNDERCOVER R&B, so it really isn't too much of a stretch to figure out that Jane is actually just part of NEPS but undercover with the gangs.
@@AkbarIpulcoolCh I think Rina will be better than Seth, she gives +3s for shock dot (which leads to more disorder dmg) + penetration, but this is question of calcs, so better to wait, but I doubt S support will be worse than A tank
I'm so conflicted I love anbys character but qingyi looks so much more fun as anbys gameplay is a bit lack luster. plus she'll be great for my Zhu Yuan. on the other hand the rat has a fat ass
I think it's pretty obvious that like PF/MOC in HSR, Shiyu mechanics will rotate to fit the characters on the current banner to incentivize people to roll. You should not expect it to be forever stun centric, and you can safely bet we will have an anomaly shiyu cycle around Jane's release. And like in HSR, you will benefit from diversifying your teams (a stun team, an anomaly team, and whatever else they come up with) to clear the rotating content. Of course you can still brute force it if you don't have the specific team comp, but it'll probably feel pretty bad (like not having a FUA team in HSR when the bonus mechanics is FUA centric, same thing for break teams or dot teams).
I'm thinking Jane will fulfill a role for Anomaly comps similar to Kafka for DoT comps in HSR. The way anomaly and disorder works I feel Assault will be the best option to proc disorder after a different initial anomaly and get the greateast amount of frontloaded damage. So you can build you team with a first anomaly character to counter the enemies weakness and Jane to proc Disorder and deal her own Assault damage.
Thing is without Grace, Jane is not that great. You can’t really pair her with Piper since she is of the same element. But if you’re willing to wait for more anomaly units then sure go for it. My pulls will still go for Qingyi.
i think it’s important to point out that even if they directly “powercreep” a-rank characters or the standard characters by releasing the same element/combat type, the additional abilities of each character still helps them create a niche where they belong. piper will still be really good because she can be played with lucy, and future units from their faction. anby is still okay because of nicole as they create a nice combo. it’s a smart design for hoyo to make.
Honestly I really hope that she and piper are gonna work well together. Otherwise skip because my girly Piper is staying in my team no matter what 🥰🥰😍😍
There's also the benefit where A-ranks are substantially easier to get to max mindscape while S-ranks require either absurd luck or obscene amounts of money to feasibly level up their mindscapes quickly.
Feel is also very important in a combat game like this. Piper feels incredible to play because her weapon spins and sound effects feel so satisfyingly heavy, Jane has more of an agile, evasive vibe which is totally different from Piper.
They drip marketed as Jane being from an unknown faction.. but they forgot that they had Jane being with Pub Sec faction during the trailer when they teased all of the factions
It's likely more of a lore thing with her being a double agent, which interestingly might result in a character with 2 factions that can activate her conditional passive.
Good to see you’re back on Zenless Zone Zero info guides! I’ll be waiting for Miyabi + Section 6 & Victoria Housekeeping. I would like to stick with certain factions. Jane Doe looks really cool though!
Gonna be real, I kinda wanna go in for Jane. Not because I want Jane but because I want Seth. The Parry -> quick assist back to primary unit function was an absolute BLAST
I was going for Qingyi but then I got Lycaon in my last standard pull out of nowhere so now I have all stunners and I'm staring at Jane's bakery and having second thoughts
i got lycan as my 1 s unit and now i am using anby lycan but anby dont gives % dmg buff on break so i will 100% go forr the stunner that way i have 2 stunner that gives %break dmg buff but most important for me is i am a billy main i need those cons on her banner so its win win
Jane Doe + Nekomata will be insane, with the amount of assault you'll be throwing out, and how fast they'll be doing damage. And since flinch is built into assault, your need for a stunner is significantly lower so anyone can fill that third slot. I can't wait. Plus JD got that gyatt
I would personally say that if you have Grace, Jane Doe's value skyrockets since Shock Disorder is incredibly powerful at this point of the game. Disorder teams don't require stunners and are quite more universal (in terms of damage type) than looking for on-element crit teams, since Shiyu is an element check at the moment. Yes, DPS characters are prone to getting powercrept, but if you want to clear more content now then Qingyi is a better pull on her rerun.
I'm definitely going to pull for Qingyi. I enjoyed the dynamic her and Zhu Yuan had, and I don't have any other limited 5* stunner. I have a1 Grace, Grace's w-engine and Nekomata so far from the standard banner, and got and love Zhu Yuan... so Qingyi is a no-brainer. That said, I love me some DoTs and status effects. Jane Doe is very interesting and I would love for Hoyo to offer more incentive to play non crit-based DPS, since that's always more interesting to me.
You share my thoughts. Qingyi's role as a Stun agent vastly outweighs Jane's damage output, as I only have one Anby and no other Stunners. ... I also like her style. And art. I wouldn't mind getting bonked with her Cerberus stick any time 😉
PLZ in the future consider to add a part where you discuss more in depth about the other characters that are in each respective S-rank character banners. Resources wise, i think its a very good topic to highlight (many ppl consider Qingyi not a great choice because of the other characters in her banner).
I thought Jane mechanic looks more interesting so I will pull her instead of Qingyi. It is nice to clear the end game content but it’s ok if I can’t. So, better to pull character that I like.
For anyone that pulled Zhu Yuan Qingyi is probably the best choice and will be big upgrade compared to Anby. Anby has very bad Mindscapes. Anyone who has Lycaon can check how big gap is between him and Anby on higher diffculties and Qingyi will be even better than him for Zhu Yuan.
Get Qingyi if you want a top tier stunner. Get jane doe if you want a Piper upgrade. Just know jane doe works best if you have another anomaly unit like Grace so you can trigger disorder. If youre getting JD and hope shes like Ellen or ZY, she wont be. Her raw dps will be low. Most of her dmg will come from procing assault
@@myku1182 neko takes a lot of field time and so does Jane. You'll find them fighting for field time a lot. My suggestion is to run Jane, Seth, and Rina or Grace to proc disorder. Disorder team will be her best teams.
I luv the vid so much, thk you for brought up the analyze and recomendation of choices for the banner, i've been in confuse since the last livestream to chose who to pull for F2P players, this vid really enlighted my thoughts !!
I have lycaon for my Ellen team and I've been using Anby for Zhu team. Like anby but i can definitely feel her dragging as I go higher up the levels. I also liked her from the storymode missions and trust missions with Zhu. Hoping Seth is gonna be released with her, didn't care too much for him until I saw he was a charge blade user lol
So basically, For lowspender, F2P what you have on Guarantee standard banner, if you have Koleda or lycaon = 0 point (can skip) Qinyi if you have Don't have standard Banner stunner = +1 Qinyi if you have Grace = +1 for Jane Doe If you don't have Nekomata / Piper built = +1 Jane Doe
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I invested quite a bit on zhu yuan, nicole and s11 at lvl50. Other than that Ben, lucy, grace, anby with some skill at max level and core at lvl40
@@Luftgitarrenprofi yea that's my thought as well cause I want to make use of Grace so I can bring it in some electric weak fight in shiyu cause for some reason they are usually resist to fire. Butttt on the other hand I want qingyi mostly to replace Anby cause somehow I don't really like Anby kit that much. It might just be skill issue on my part but yeah
@@Luftgitarrenprofi Piper is kinda unique coz of her stagger playstyle. You can spam her slam and almost permastun the enemy which is kinda huge. Pair that with other units and you can karaage cancel and negative edge between animations faster damage. Neko and Lucy comes into mind when it comes to best teammates for Piper atm.
JD is the only one who can fit to each of them. She has the same faction as ZY and same attribute as Nekomata. Plus she has that extra cake on her, make your choice bro
@@gan9620 Thanks for the statement, i literally lose my 50 on QingYi to Nekomata, and i have Zhu Yuan, that means i can put JD in a Ether team / Physical Team
I have ellen and rina but I don't have lycaon, should I get qinyi for that team or zhuyuan since there are just so many ether weak enemies everywhere? I'm unsure which one should I get, I'm guaranteed and can get to the pity by the end of zhuyuan banner so it's basically I can pick whoever between them, I'm just so confused
I've got both Ellen and Zhu Yuan, but only Anby for Stun. Qingyi will be a huge help, allowing me to properly fill out two teams for Shiyu defense. Even if I manage to get Lycaon for Ellen, Qingyi is guaranteed to be superior to Anby, and she's a universal Stunner that can work at full strength with any Attack unit. I also just got Grace on the road to Zhu Yuan, and Jane honestly looks like a ton of fun. So, I'll grab her as well. I thought I might be able to put off topping off for longer, but no such luck. Hoping I can max out Seth while getting Jane, too. He looks way too fun for an A-Rank.
Pulling for Qingyi for sure -- I was lucky enough to get Lycaon as my first Standard S character; I was also then lucky and got Ellen relatively quickly, and Zhu Yuan, on their respective banners without going to pity and winning the 50/50. (yes, I am bragging a bit.) So I have an ideal/perfect team of Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku and Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/Nicole. Jane's playstyle might be interesting, but I do not have a lineup for her as ideal as the one I have for these two teams. I think I would rather save my currency for Premium/S-rank supports rather than just another damage-dealer. If i get Qingyi early I'll consider it, but honestly, I don't expect my luck to hold out, and I think - because of the situation i found myself in - my best option will be to focus on the teams I have that are pretty much 'done', rather than pre-planning for a team I don't have.
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I think your point is correct but from leaks I don't think 1.2 characters have anyone that I would be summoning but of course it's leaks so it's not guaranteed. I think I would summon one of them in 1.1 then summon a character from 1.3.
Another great video explaining the 2 new units, but I'm more interested in Qing Yi together with my Zhu Yuan. I'm also at a loss on which Bangboo to use for that team. I understand there was another video about Bangboo and picking the faction based ones have more value. But I cannot see myself keeping Qing Yi in this team especially when there might be other Ether stunners coming out in the future. That being said, it seems like the Ether Bangboo might be a better fit but I need a second opinion on this.
Here’s my future pulls plan. For reference I have Ellen and Zhu Yuan PULL Jane Doe - super sick, fun, hot and strong SKIP Caesar - she seems cool but you can’t pull em all PULL Burnice - she should be super good with Jane, and cool design SKIP everyone else until the Virtual Idols come out. I just have a gut feeling the one with two Flails is going to be an ether stunner and that’ll pair so well with Zhu Yuan and Nicole. Plus her design is so cool. Then bam I have three super solid teams Ellen, Lycoan, Soukaku Virtual Idol, Nicole, Zhu Yuan Burnice, Jane, Seth Bonus teams: Grace, Jane, Seth Burnice, Piper, Lucy
Not sure if I should pull for Jane or not. I want to, but I've got the full mono-ice team and a Grace Anton Anby/Koleda team , so Jane seems more useful than Qingyi? Maybe? Or am I letting assets blind me?
my hope is i get qingyi and that jane doe ends up in the same faction cuz i'd pull for her just so i can have an anomaly team with them and grace. it sounds fun to be able to have 2 good anomaly chars and a good stun so you can get like 2+ disorders under a buffed stun and just repeat
The 2 teams I go about are Ellen (w/signature) and Soukaku (M6,W/maxxed signature). Soldier 11 (M1 from losing Zhu Yuan 50/50, w/signature) and Ben (M6, w/signature). Plus Grace (M1) for whichever team are facing machines that generates shields or someone for Dodge assist. It's worked out incredibly well so far. In this Shiyu defense run, I easily S ranked 11-15. For 16, I was just short 20s for the S. I'm thinking to build Grace/pivot her weapon a bit more though I'm not sure how much that'll help. Haven't tried 17 but I'm confident to get A as well. I think the reason my 2 man team works so well compared to my friend who has gone horizontal enough for both mono ice (all of 'em) and fire teams (has them all, bastard even has ZhuYuan) is because of how much the signatures buffs my main DPS's. There's also the consideration of grinding materials to build those teams so yeah, given enough time, he might outstrip me, but so far, with my unintentionally 'Vertical' 2 man team, I am lacking a Stunner so I might pull for Qing Yi. Tbh, when I learnt why Piper is incredibly good, I was thinking to save for Jane since I have Nekomata so I could reasonable build a Physical team. I'm a f2p, I swear! My luck ran out on Zhu Yuan's banner .
i think a thing that matters, maybe not as much as the s rank themselves, is the banner in total. like trying to get qingyi while billy and corin are boosted must feel terrible.
i find that nicole is also a really good character to prock anomaly even tho she's only a support. And so i use piper-nicole-nekomata and i prock disorder a lot, and when u give nicole an anomaly mastery main stat, she builds up corruption even faster. So just putting it out there that nicole might be an alternative if u dont have grace
@@andrewang2174 ur such a fun person, let's not talk about the game but my grammar, and ur correcting me on something that's to ur understanding, not a word. U must be very nice to hang around in real life bruh
I am seriously thinking about skipping this banner(s) jane might be worth it but if Miyabi's or her teammate's Harumasa or Yanagi banner follows after that is going to annoy me a bit...great video your logical assessment has really helped me.
One big question is what is defense for? You heard it here first, anomaly meta a few patches from now with calydon will be two different elements anomaly AND defense.
Guys, Piper does insane amount of damage with little investment because she is a anommaly class character. Jane Doe will probably double or triple Piper as a character damage.
@@staywithmeow549 ya I’m mostly referring to future limited characters and I don’t see another phys anomaly coming for a long time. Kinda sucks for piper tho
QingYi is obviously supposed to pair with burst dps atm. I want to get her for her combat but I don't want ZhuYuan, now I have to take a risk on if she will pair well with another burst dps in future and not get power crept by new impact characters to fast (risky only from a value perspective). Jane is a much easier decision especially when Seth is obviously supposed to pair with her and she is a main damage carry so anyone missing a second team this would be a good pick up. Also QingYi banner A rank agents are yikes :(
Zero stun unit in the current leaked pipeline. She is also universal with ANY attack unit meaning she will work with any attacker now and into the future
@@michaelyang838 downplaying a new playstyle for a faster anby is crazy talk. Seeing how you spam about qingyi in the comments, I dont see the point of continuing this lmao
@@mugen1119 what’s crazy is your need to be validated by shit decision. Yes you don’t have to pay your credit card off in full and pay interest instead. In return you got instant gratification. Mad cause you aren’t man enough to own your decisions. Live on cope
This might be a stupid question but how viable do you think a triple Anomaly team with Jane, Piper and Grace? I love Jane's design but I don't want to drop my Piper.
Not too sure on the damage calcs but i think most likely triple anomaly could be strong but only in the future with 3 different elements to spam disorder. Right now piper and jane are both physical which may not be increasing the number of disorders you can proc. You'll probably be getting more team damage slotting in a support like rina or lucy than double physical anomaly. Depends on the team rotation though, so i cant say for sure
I have all 3 stunners Lucian Koleda and Anby but I don’t use Anby just the other two. So I guess investment wise would it be smarter to go for Jane if I lose the 50/50 to Qingyi
Damn, so my team is Grace Nicole and Anton at the moment, I wanted to get Qingyi cause of her playstyle but its looking like Jane Doe is the better pick? should I roll for Zhu Yuan and try to get Qingyi aswell? BIG SADGE
A question, why don't you calculate for the added value that the 4star Seth will be available on on of their banners? It could ad to pull value for some people.
Personally I think if anby is your only stun agent qingyi is potentially a very good option for a second stun even tho they are both electric but Jane doe’s banner is definetly much better especially with the A ranks and if she has her bonus activated by any anomaly character disorder could honestly be insane in like a Jane, grace, rina team but as of right now for me I’m not sure what I’m doing for 1.1 even tho my only stun agent is anby
Jane doe's design and introduction screams kafka treatment, i know they are going to keep buffing her more and more in the future I am still going to skip her since i am saving for Asaba but i am sure i am going for her on rerun
Really can not understand why people keep saying Nekomata competes for field time. Nekomata has the shortest damage window in the game (6 seconds). Outside of that window, you want assault and stun being built up. Proc them both switch into Nekomata and do major damage for 6 seconds. Rinse and repeat. Nekomata has the shortest field time requirement out of all of the Attack characters.
Yeah i have a feeling that Qingyi will be replaced very easily in the future (maybe not for ZY team) as soon as they release more stunners. I think Anomaly is going to be the meta after Jane Doe releases. Her kit is completely broken and much more future proof so I am pulling for her and maybe her sig w engine if i get lucky
My luck has been pretty good so far. I got Ellen in the first 10 pull on the account, but lost her weapon pull, then got ju yuan at pity. Now I’ll be saving for awhile lol
I like Anby, but she's my only stunner. Not a huge fan of any of the other stunners, so I'd like Qingyi for a second team. I'd be more tempted to pull for Jane Doe if I hadn't built up my Piper
If we combine qing yi with lycaon would that give the enemy +90% dmg multiplier? I was thinking corin might be hyperbuffed for the stun window if that is the case
Personally, I want Jane. Value wise, for my account, I'd be better off with Qingyi because the only stunner I got is Anby. My first standard S rank was Rina and my first 50/50 loss was Soldier 11. I got Ellen and Zhu Yuan. Qingyi will fit perfectly into my Zhu Yuan team.
Having 1 stunner its so frustating damn even i love my ben but still his 100 times slower to stun enemy then my anby 😂 and corin are monster and i build ger as my phsyical dps, billy are the party pooper in that banner 😂
You should add to these type of videos which would be a better value based on what you might have pulled. Like JD being better if you have grace and or rina.
it really depends on your acc at thia point of the game you are lacking premium damage dealers only ones we have are Ellen and Zhu Yuan, so if you didnt get both then you would prob be lacking dmg Qingyi can help with that ofc, just not as much as Jane Doe if you are fine with your dps roster go for Qingyi, if you need a phys dps for nekomata go jane doe
Hello Guys yesterday i try pulling for billy for C3 and i become Quingyi early, I don't now if i soll try the W Engine for her or spare for Jane Doe or Later Burnice my Girl with MG42 Flamethrower
Tips for F2P or low spenders is to just pull for whoever you fancy most be it playstyle, waifu/husbando instead of chasing after meta characters or trying to future proof your account. Future characters are always gonna power creep earlier characters, it's just a matter of how long until it happens. You aren't gonna be sticking to the game for long if you aren't having fun enjoying the characters you actually like instead of just constantly chasing after META characters.
SPOILER WARNING Gonna be talking about leaked content so skip if u don’t like. Jane doe’s kit has been leaked and she allows your team to crit with reactions/disorders. This means she’s crazy in terms of future proofing. Qingyi will likely become a premier stunner for the foreseeable future since she only needs to have an attacker on her team and gives good stun dmg bonus. Qingyi will probably be better for most ppl right now, but Jane offers much better long term investment (also she dummy thiccc)
In terms of Jane's "Unknown" faction, I'm pretty sure she's just going to be part of N.E.P.S. In the official faction trailers she was shown on the same line-up with the rest of the NEPS, and the update is called UNDERCOVER R&B, so it really isn't too much of a stretch to figure out that Jane is actually just part of NEPS but undercover with the gangs.
Yea, also Seth is obviouslu her "support" with all the anomaly buffing and one same banner. How else is he supposed to proc synergy with Jane.
So her premium team would be jane-qingyi-seth if i understand that right? @@sirglame
@@AkbarIpulcoolChgrace instead of qingyi
@@AkbarIpulcoolCh I think Rina will be better than Seth, she gives +3s for shock dot (which leads to more disorder dmg) + penetration, but this is question of calcs, so better to wait, but I doubt S support will be worse than A tank
Shhhhh spoilers
I have Zhu Yuan only have have Anby for stun. I want qingyi for for her, but Jane got a fatty.
realisht shit ive heard in a while
Such a dilemma lol I too choose the fat rat
Same i only have Anby for stun and I can't for the life of me decide if i want fat stuns or a fat ass
You can't powercreep a good fatty 😜
I'm so conflicted I love anbys character but qingyi looks so much more fun as anbys gameplay is a bit lack luster. plus she'll be great for my Zhu Yuan. on the other hand the rat has a fat ass
I think it's pretty obvious that like PF/MOC in HSR, Shiyu mechanics will rotate to fit the characters on the current banner to incentivize people to roll. You should not expect it to be forever stun centric, and you can safely bet we will have an anomaly shiyu cycle around Jane's release.
And like in HSR, you will benefit from diversifying your teams (a stun team, an anomaly team, and whatever else they come up with) to clear the rotating content.
Of course you can still brute force it if you don't have the specific team comp, but it'll probably feel pretty bad (like not having a FUA team in HSR when the bonus mechanics is FUA centric, same thing for break teams or dot teams).
You're so right. When I started HSR I thought element coverage mattered most but it's actually the fighting styles ( hypercarry, DoT, FuA, and break).
I'm thinking Jane will fulfill a role for Anomaly comps similar to Kafka for DoT comps in HSR. The way anomaly and disorder works I feel Assault will be the best option to proc disorder after a different initial anomaly and get the greateast amount of frontloaded damage. So you can build you team with a first anomaly character to counter the enemies weakness and Jane to proc Disorder and deal her own Assault damage.
@@gio7053 yup that's probably it. Her Core skill is also pretty unique as she can make Assault actually crit, which could be huge.
Thing is without Grace, Jane is not that great. You can’t really pair her with Piper since she is of the same element. But if you’re willing to wait for more anomaly units then sure go for it. My pulls will still go for Qingyi.
@@anonymousfox5005 JD/Rina/Seth team goes kinda hard tho, Rina gives lots of shock and pen
i think it’s important to point out that even if they directly “powercreep” a-rank characters or the standard characters by releasing the same element/combat type, the additional abilities of each character still helps them create a niche where they belong. piper will still be really good because she can be played with lucy, and future units from their faction. anby is still okay because of nicole as they create a nice combo. it’s a smart design for hoyo to make.
Honestly I really hope that she and piper are gonna work well together. Otherwise skip because my girly Piper is staying in my team no matter what 🥰🥰😍😍
There's also the benefit where A-ranks are substantially easier to get to max mindscape while S-ranks require either absurd luck or obscene amounts of money to feasibly level up their mindscapes quickly.
Plus I need 2 stun so I won’t actually be replacing anby until I get a 3rd stun anyways
Feel is also very important in a combat game like this. Piper feels incredible to play because her weapon spins and sound effects feel so satisfyingly heavy, Jane has more of an agile, evasive vibe which is totally different from Piper.
I'm going to try both. Pray for me
Both in 10 right when 1.1 drops, even before Jane's banner.
I believe in you.
im praying for u win both 50/50 and get them early 🙏
@@T8-TR just do 2 singles bro
It's possible if you've been saving, otherwise you best hope you've been blessed by the RNG Gods.
Prayge
Ngl that scene of Jane tossing a knife with her tail in the livestream was just so cool.
This isnt the live stream tho
@@Hhhh22222-wI reckon they might know that
I'm back bois!
Too fast to dangerous 😂
yay
we are so back
I missed you
That was a short break sir
Def getting Qingyi cuz she’s the perfect partner for Zhu in both utility and lore. I will get Jane Doe cuz hot lol
I mean if you have the money to go for the characters it kinda saves you having to make a choice
They drip marketed as Jane being from an unknown faction.. but they forgot that they had Jane being with Pub Sec faction during the trailer when they teased all of the factions
It's likely more of a lore thing with her being a double agent, which interestingly might result in a character with 2 factions that can activate her conditional passive.
Good to see you’re back on Zenless Zone Zero info guides! I’ll be waiting for Miyabi + Section 6 & Victoria Housekeeping. I would like to stick with certain factions. Jane Doe looks really cool though!
Gonna be real, I kinda wanna go in for Jane. Not because I want Jane but because I want Seth. The Parry -> quick assist back to primary unit function was an absolute BLAST
I was going for Qingyi but then I got Lycaon in my last standard pull out of nowhere so now I have all stunners and I'm staring at Jane's bakery and having second thoughts
I doubt that cake will be powercrept anytime soon.
@@ryanclouse299 it'll just be copied, but not outdone for a long as hell time to come I do believe.
i got lycan as my 1 s unit and now i am using anby lycan but anby dont gives % dmg buff on break so i will 100% go forr the stunner that way i have 2 stunner that gives %break dmg buff but most important for me is i am a billy main i need those cons on her banner so its win win
Remember Qingyi's buns. Hers is electric in comparison.
Pull for who you like more, but already having S rank stunners is a pretty big factor for Qingyi skippers.
Jane Doe + Nekomata will be insane, with the amount of assault you'll be throwing out, and how fast they'll be doing damage. And since flinch is built into assault, your need for a stunner is significantly lower so anyone can fill that third slot. I can't wait. Plus JD got that gyatt
I love Nekomata, can't wait to see how Jane feels when we play as them
yeah the nekomata passive will always make the EX hit hard with assault from Jane, I'm looking forward to test them together
If only icd wast that long, even with piper I still manage to get the second assault under 3 second 😅
sadly, they dont work well together and actually hinder each other heavily
I would personally say that if you have Grace, Jane Doe's value skyrockets since Shock Disorder is incredibly powerful at this point of the game. Disorder teams don't require stunners and are quite more universal (in terms of damage type) than looking for on-element crit teams, since Shiyu is an element check at the moment.
Yes, DPS characters are prone to getting powercrept, but if you want to clear more content now then Qingyi is a better pull on her rerun.
I’m still learning this game but I do have grace and like her. Glad JD synergies with her and recommendation on who should be the 3rd in the team?
I'm definitely going to pull for Qingyi. I enjoyed the dynamic her and Zhu Yuan had, and I don't have any other limited 5* stunner. I have a1 Grace, Grace's w-engine and Nekomata so far from the standard banner, and got and love Zhu Yuan... so Qingyi is a no-brainer.
That said, I love me some DoTs and status effects. Jane Doe is very interesting and I would love for Hoyo to offer more incentive to play non crit-based DPS, since that's always more interesting to me.
You share my thoughts. Qingyi's role as a Stun agent vastly outweighs Jane's damage output, as I only have one Anby and no other Stunners.
... I also like her style. And art. I wouldn't mind getting bonked with her Cerberus stick any time 😉
PLZ in the future consider to add a part where you discuss more in depth about the other characters that are in each respective S-rank character banners. Resources wise, i think its a very good topic to highlight (many ppl consider Qingyi not a great choice because of the other characters in her banner).
Jane has corin, billy
@@Miky_hu Jane has Seth (new A rank) and Anby, Qingyi has Corin and Billy
I thought Jane mechanic looks more interesting so I will pull her instead of Qingyi. It is nice to clear the end game content but it’s ok if I can’t. So, better to pull character that I like.
Hoping if I lose Qingyi 50/50 its to Koleda
For anyone that pulled Zhu Yuan Qingyi is probably the best choice and will be big upgrade compared to Anby. Anby has very bad Mindscapes. Anyone who has Lycaon can check how big gap is between him and Anby on higher diffculties and Qingyi will be even better than him for Zhu Yuan.
Get Qingyi if you want a top tier stunner. Get jane doe if you want a Piper upgrade. Just know jane doe works best if you have another anomaly unit like Grace so you can trigger disorder. If youre getting JD and hope shes like Ellen or ZY, she wont be. Her raw dps will be low. Most of her dmg will come from procing assault
Will she performance as a sub dps proc-ing assault so my nekomata do the dps? (And the third member is seth)
Me with grace and zhu yuan as my s ranks wanting both of them 😂
@@myku1182 if go with Neko and Jane, third should be Lucy for her atk buff
@@phongphamthanh5911 I don't have her sadly, but I've heard Seth has anomaly buffs that can synergize well with Jane so I might also get copies of him
@@myku1182 neko takes a lot of field time and so does Jane. You'll find them fighting for field time a lot. My suggestion is to run Jane, Seth, and Rina or Grace to proc disorder. Disorder team will be her best teams.
I luv the vid so much, thk you for brought up the analyze and recomendation of choices for the banner, i've been in confuse since the last livestream to chose who to pull for F2P players, this vid really enlighted my thoughts !!
I have lycaon for my Ellen team and I've been using Anby for Zhu team. Like anby but i can definitely feel her dragging as I go higher up the levels. I also liked her from the storymode missions and trust missions with Zhu. Hoping Seth is gonna be released with her, didn't care too much for him until I saw he was a charge blade user lol
Unfortunately we already know Seth is only running with JD, they’re doing kind of scummy A rank up pattern for 1.1 imo
@@LegolasTN Not really since Seth works best with anomaly teams
So basically, For lowspender, F2P
what you have on Guarantee standard banner,
if you have Koleda or lycaon = 0 point (can skip) Qinyi
if you have Don't have standard Banner stunner = +1 Qinyi
if you have Grace = +1 for Jane Doe
If you don't have Nekomata / Piper built = +1 Jane Doe
I have grace and at the same time don't have piper/neko or any standard banner stunner. what should I do XD
@@NopepaNopepayou can run jane grace seth too
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I invested quite a bit on zhu yuan, nicole and s11 at lvl50. Other than that Ben, lucy, grace, anby with some skill at max level and core at lvl40
@@Luftgitarrenprofi yea that's my thought as well cause I want to make use of Grace so I can bring it in some electric weak fight in shiyu cause for some reason they are usually resist to fire.
Butttt on the other hand I want qingyi mostly to replace Anby cause somehow I don't really like Anby kit that much. It might just be skill issue on my part but yeah
@@Luftgitarrenprofi Piper is kinda unique coz of her stagger playstyle. You can spam her slam and almost permastun the enemy which is kinda huge. Pair that with other units and you can karaage cancel and negative edge between animations faster damage. Neko and Lucy comes into mind when it comes to best teammates for Piper atm.
I decided my mains are Zhu Yuan and Nekomata and unfortunately both of these characters seem to match perfectly with each one so hell yeah
JD is the only one who can fit to each of them. She has the same faction as ZY and same attribute as Nekomata. Plus she has that extra cake on her, make your choice bro
SSJ4 Goku goated
@@gan9620 Thanks for the statement, i literally lose my 50 on QingYi to Nekomata, and i have Zhu Yuan, that means i can put JD in a Ether team / Physical Team
I have ellen and rina but I don't have lycaon, should I get qinyi for that team or zhuyuan since there are just so many ether weak enemies everywhere? I'm unsure which one should I get, I'm guaranteed and can get to the pity by the end of zhuyuan banner so it's basically I can pick whoever between them, I'm just so confused
I've got both Ellen and Zhu Yuan, but only Anby for Stun. Qingyi will be a huge help, allowing me to properly fill out two teams for Shiyu defense. Even if I manage to get Lycaon for Ellen, Qingyi is guaranteed to be superior to Anby, and she's a universal Stunner that can work at full strength with any Attack unit.
I also just got Grace on the road to Zhu Yuan, and Jane honestly looks like a ton of fun. So, I'll grab her as well. I thought I might be able to put off topping off for longer, but no such luck. Hoping I can max out Seth while getting Jane, too. He looks way too fun for an A-Rank.
Saying Koleda is a slow stunner is wild
Pulling for Qingyi for sure -- I was lucky enough to get Lycaon as my first Standard S character; I was also then lucky and got Ellen relatively quickly, and Zhu Yuan, on their respective banners without going to pity and winning the 50/50. (yes, I am bragging a bit.) So I have an ideal/perfect team of Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku and Zhu Yuan/Qingyi/Nicole.
Jane's playstyle might be interesting, but I do not have a lineup for her as ideal as the one I have for these two teams. I think I would rather save my currency for Premium/S-rank supports rather than just another damage-dealer. If i get Qingyi early I'll consider it, but honestly, I don't expect my luck to hold out, and I think - because of the situation i found myself in - my best option will be to focus on the teams I have that are pretty much 'done', rather than pre-planning for a team I don't have.
Qingyi for me. Due to weird luck I have only one S-rank stunner, Koleda M2 😂
So a second S-rank stunner is a must-have for me.
What if I have lycaon and koleda but also have Zhu yuan. Would it still be worth it to get Qinqyi
yes
@laxel1641 Ofc worth it cuz QY gives team buff also very flexible stunner
@@Luftgitarrenprofi I think your point is correct but from leaks I don't think 1.2 characters have anyone that I would be summoning but of course it's leaks so it's not guaranteed. I think I would summon one of them in 1.1 then summon a character from 1.3.
Just build the usual attack/stunner pairs. They are much easier to play since your main DPS can just go all out when enemies/bosses are stunned.
Where's the fun then
Thanks man, i like both but prefer qingyi’s playstyle. The only reason inwas hesitant is because Jane is hot af but i’ll get her in her rerun
Another great video explaining the 2 new units, but I'm more interested in Qing Yi together with my Zhu Yuan.
I'm also at a loss on which Bangboo to use for that team.
I understand there was another video about Bangboo and picking the faction based ones have more value.
But I cannot see myself keeping Qing Yi in this team especially when there might be other Ether stunners coming out in the future. That being said, it seems like the Ether Bangboo might be a better fit but I need a second opinion on this.
I run Resonaboo with my Zhu Yuan and I like it a lot gives crowd control makes stunning and grouping easy at least with small enemies
Good presentation layout and theme. Clear and straight forward explanation. Thanks
Here’s my future pulls plan. For reference I have Ellen and Zhu Yuan
PULL Jane Doe - super sick, fun, hot and strong
SKIP Caesar - she seems cool but you can’t pull em all
PULL Burnice - she should be super good with Jane, and cool design
SKIP everyone else until the Virtual Idols come out. I just have a gut feeling the one with two Flails is going to be an ether stunner and that’ll pair so well with Zhu Yuan and Nicole. Plus her design is so cool.
Then bam I have three super solid teams
Ellen, Lycoan, Soukaku
Virtual Idol, Nicole, Zhu Yuan
Burnice, Jane, Seth
Bonus teams:
Grace, Jane, Seth
Burnice, Piper, Lucy
Not sure if I should pull for Jane or not. I want to, but I've got the full mono-ice team and a Grace Anton Anby/Koleda team , so Jane seems more useful than Qingyi? Maybe? Or am I letting assets blind me?
my hope is i get qingyi and that jane doe ends up in the same faction cuz i'd pull for her just so i can have an anomaly team with them and grace. it sounds fun to be able to have 2 good anomaly chars and a good stun so you can get like 2+ disorders under a buffed stun and just repeat
The 2 teams I go about are Ellen (w/signature) and Soukaku (M6,W/maxxed signature). Soldier 11 (M1 from losing Zhu Yuan 50/50, w/signature) and Ben (M6, w/signature). Plus Grace (M1) for whichever team are facing machines that generates shields or someone for Dodge assist.
It's worked out incredibly well so far. In this Shiyu defense run, I easily S ranked 11-15. For 16, I was just short 20s for the S. I'm thinking to build Grace/pivot her weapon a bit more though I'm not sure how much that'll help. Haven't tried 17 but I'm confident to get A as well.
I think the reason my 2 man team works so well compared to my friend who has gone horizontal enough for both mono ice (all of 'em) and fire teams (has them all, bastard even has ZhuYuan) is because of how much the signatures buffs my main DPS's.
There's also the consideration of grinding materials to build those teams so yeah, given enough time, he might outstrip me, but so far, with my unintentionally 'Vertical' 2 man team, I am lacking a Stunner so I might pull for Qing Yi. Tbh, when I learnt why Piper is incredibly good, I was thinking to save for Jane since I have Nekomata so I could reasonable build a Physical team.
I'm a f2p, I swear! My luck ran out on Zhu Yuan's banner .
Qingyi better, since stun is so valuable imo, nowndont judge me, it's my opinion
The only investment that matters is an investment my both brains are satisfied with
here with a credit card going POR QUE NO LOS DOS
Me with only 10 pulls left: I will take both, thank you.
Real question is what would a grace jane comp look like and what bangboo you gonna bring
Grace/jane/seth (make sure to use his w engine) and the neps bangboo
I'm F2P and my two main teams are Anby/Nekomata/Nicole and Koleda/Zhu Yuan/Lucy so i'm just gonna wait for Miyabi at this point.
i think a thing that matters, maybe not as much as the s rank themselves, is the banner in total. like trying to get qingyi while billy and corin are boosted must feel terrible.
i find that nicole is also a really good character to prock anomaly even tho she's only a support. And so i use piper-nicole-nekomata and i prock disorder a lot, and when u give nicole an anomaly mastery main stat, she builds up corruption even faster. So just putting it out there that nicole might be an alternative if u dont have grace
Prock is not an english word
@@andrewang2174 yeah it's an acronym for programmed random occurence
@@mismagia Yeah, without the "K"
@@andrewang2174 ur such a fun person, let's not talk about the game but my grammar, and ur correcting me on something that's to ur understanding, not a word. U must be very nice to hang around in real life bruh
@@Cal6942 Its a vocabulary issue not grammar, and chill dude, its the internet, was just joking
I am seriously thinking about skipping this banner(s) jane might be worth it but if Miyabi's or her teammate's Harumasa or Yanagi banner follows after that is going to annoy me a bit...great video your logical assessment has really helped me.
Leaks says Harumasa, Yanagi and Lighter in 1.2. Miyabi, Caesar and Burnice in 1.3. Their roles, elements and rarity are still in question.
@@remchwanshit that's quite the wait but at least that's something.
Jane vibe is close to Kafka vibe
Jane is the best invASSment for sure.
i going to save for my hatsune monkey king
One big question is what is defense for? You heard it here first, anomaly meta a few patches from now with calydon will be two different elements anomaly AND defense.
Guys, Piper does insane amount of damage with little investment because she is a anommaly class character. Jane Doe will probably double or triple Piper as a character damage.
I like that anomaly characters don’t necessarily power creep each other as they work best together
Anomalies with similar elements don't complement each other
@@staywithmeow549 ya I’m mostly referring to future limited characters and I don’t see another phys anomaly coming for a long time. Kinda sucks for piper tho
QingYi is obviously supposed to pair with burst dps atm. I want to get her for her combat but I don't want ZhuYuan, now I have to take a risk on if she will pair well with another burst dps in future and not get power crept by new impact characters to fast (risky only from a value perspective). Jane is a much easier decision especially when Seth is obviously supposed to pair with her and she is a main damage carry so anyone missing a second team this would be a good pick up.
Also QingYi banner A rank agents are yikes :(
Zero stun unit in the current leaked pipeline. She is also universal with ANY attack unit meaning she will work with any attacker now and into the future
@@michaelyang838 u have 2 stunners in standard banner that works and they work with any team idk what ur on about
@@mugen1119 so you just roll better to get them? Lycoan is good for ice and koleda is not that good. If you wanna cope just say so lmfao
@@michaelyang838 downplaying a new playstyle for a faster anby is crazy talk. Seeing how you spam about qingyi in the comments, I dont see the point of continuing this lmao
@@mugen1119 what’s crazy is your need to be validated by shit decision. Yes you don’t have to pay your credit card off in full and pay interest instead. In return you got instant gratification. Mad cause you aren’t man enough to own your decisions. Live on cope
Why not both🗿👍🏿
Hoping Soldier 11, Qingyi, and Lucy works well because I want to keep Anby and Nicole together
Same I need a stunner for my soldier 11 team but I need Anby for my cunning hairs team with neko and nichole
EOD is brave and adventurous! I want to be just like you
This might be a stupid question but how viable do you think a triple Anomaly team with Jane, Piper and Grace? I love Jane's design but I don't want to drop my Piper.
Not too sure on the damage calcs but i think most likely triple anomaly could be strong but only in the future with 3 different elements to spam disorder. Right now piper and jane are both physical which may not be increasing the number of disorders you can proc. You'll probably be getting more team damage slotting in a support like rina or lucy than double physical anomaly. Depends on the team rotation though, so i cant say for sure
@@spruce_wayne5354 Seth is also a direct anomaly buffer so swapping him in for grace or piper would probably be the move
I have all 3 stunners Lucian Koleda and Anby but I don’t use Anby just the other two. So I guess investment wise would it be smarter to go for Jane if I lose the 50/50 to Qingyi
Damn, so my team is Grace Nicole and Anton at the moment, I wanted to get Qingyi cause of her playstyle but its looking like Jane Doe is the better pick? should I roll for Zhu Yuan and try to get Qingyi aswell? BIG SADGE
i will go for both these characters
that break didnt last long haha, glad to see a vid tho
A question, why don't you calculate for the added value that the 4star Seth will be available on on of their banners? It could ad to pull value for some people.
I can't decide between this two tbh. I'm so split
Lemme guess, Miyabi most likely will be Ice Attack Anomaly by the time her banner drop
You missed 4stars pool from their banner and how they are shine at shiyu defense that enemy weakness will affects more
Qingyi can take a stroll, im saving for seth....ah yes, and jane.
Personally I think if anby is your only stun agent qingyi is potentially a very good option for a second stun even tho they are both electric but Jane doe’s banner is definetly much better especially with the A ranks and if she has her bonus activated by any anomaly character disorder could honestly be insane in like a Jane, grace, rina team but as of right now for me I’m not sure what I’m doing for 1.1 even tho my only stun agent is anby
I will work overtime just so i can pull for qingyi and jane doe
I want Qingyi but I also want 🐀
Going based off my account I already have a fully kitted out ice team but most importantly... I want Jane doe.. so I'm pulling on Jane doe lol
Jane would probably be very powerful paired with an S rank ice anomaly character and either Lycaon or Soukaku
Jane doe's design and introduction screams kafka treatment, i know they are going to keep buffing her more and more in the future
I am still going to skip her since i am saving for Asaba but i am sure i am going for her on rerun
Really can not understand why people keep saying Nekomata competes for field time. Nekomata has the shortest damage window in the game (6 seconds). Outside of that window, you want assault and stun being built up. Proc them both switch into Nekomata and do major damage for 6 seconds. Rinse and repeat. Nekomata has the shortest field time requirement out of all of the Attack characters.
What do you mean unknown faction? Jane Doe clearly was with the other NEPS in that promotional video with all the different factions.
any nekomata builds holding down for the future
Yeah i have a feeling that Qingyi will be replaced very easily in the future (maybe not for ZY team) as soon as they release more stunners. I think Anomaly is going to be the meta after Jane Doe releases. Her kit is completely broken and much more future proof so I am pulling for her and maybe her sig w engine if i get lucky
Lycoan is enough stun for me at the current stage of the game, going for Jane with the added benefit of more Anby as well.
My luck has been pretty good so far. I got Ellen in the first 10 pull on the account, but lost her weapon pull, then got ju yuan at pity. Now I’ll be saving for awhile lol
I want to pull for them so that I can unlock their affinity resonia in Hollow Zero
I like Anby, but she's my only stunner. Not a huge fan of any of the other stunners, so I'd like Qingyi for a second team.
I'd be more tempted to pull for Jane Doe if I hadn't built up my Piper
Pull for Jane and get full Mindscapes for Anby...
Sadly the best teams seems to be Jane Grace Quin yi for Anomaly meta... shame 😢
If we combine qing yi with lycaon would that give the enemy +90% dmg multiplier?
I was thinking corin might be hyperbuffed for the stun window if that is the case
Personally, I want Jane. Value wise, for my account, I'd be better off with Qingyi because the only stunner I got is Anby. My first standard S rank was Rina and my first 50/50 loss was Soldier 11.
I got Ellen and Zhu Yuan. Qingyi will fit perfectly into my Zhu Yuan team.
Having 1 stunner its so frustating damn even i love my ben but still his 100 times slower to stun enemy then my anby 😂 and corin are monster and i build ger as my phsyical dps, billy are the party pooper in that banner 😂
You should add to these type of videos which would be a better value based on what you might have pulled. Like JD being better if you have grace and or rina.
i think piper will work with jane petty well cause of her kit buffers assalt even of field, so others "assalt" chars will synergize with jane
it really depends on your acc
at thia point of the game you are lacking premium damage dealers
only ones we have are Ellen and Zhu Yuan, so if you didnt get both then you would prob be lacking dmg
Qingyi can help with that ofc, just not as much as Jane Doe
if you are fine with your dps roster go for Qingyi, if you need a phys dps for nekomata go jane doe
Qingyi is obviously better. 🙄 Hands down. People are coping
It will be like kazuha all the people downplaying Chingy because of Jane's ass will be regretting it and lined up for the rerun 😆
Hello Guys yesterday i try pulling for billy for C3 and i become Quingyi early, I don't now if i soll try the W Engine for her or spare for Jane Doe or Later Burnice my Girl with MG42 Flamethrower
Tips for F2P or low spenders is to just pull for whoever you fancy most be it playstyle, waifu/husbando instead of chasing after meta characters or trying to future proof your account.
Future characters are always gonna power creep earlier characters, it's just a matter of how long until it happens.
You aren't gonna be sticking to the game for long if you aren't having fun enjoying the characters you actually like instead of just constantly chasing after META characters.
Fr, and that's why I'm going to pull for Qinqyi and continue playing with Piper
Invest in cute and funny robot 😭😭😭
I will pull based on the cinematic and pv material. Ellen and Zhu Yuans were good.
if you have zhu, it'll be Qingyi if you have grace and want to build anomaly then probably jane.
I know it doesn't matter, but I need to know why you only refer to 'Anby' as 'Anby Demara' but no one else gets full-named like 'Nicole Demara'?
Saving for Qingyi, Piper and Lucy 😭😭😭
SPOILER WARNING
Gonna be talking about leaked content so skip if u don’t like.
Jane doe’s kit has been leaked and she allows your team to crit with reactions/disorders. This means she’s crazy in terms of future proofing.
Qingyi will likely become a premier stunner for the foreseeable future since she only needs to have an attacker on her team and gives good stun dmg bonus.
Qingyi will probably be better for most ppl right now, but Jane offers much better long term investment (also she dummy thiccc)
Only one of them does Frieren faces, so my choice is clear.
9:34 A Swiss Anby Knife? :3