EPIC - Bisu (P) v Smile (T) on Fighting Spirit - StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED
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Don't forget about Lowko
In reference to a question you asked in this replay: I always thought that they gave the Arbiter the ability to attack so that they wouldn’t flee from enemies like, for example, a science vessel or an overlord would. In doing so, keeps the Arb on the frontlines directly above your Gateway units, providing the intended full army cloak that I assume they were going for.
What a game from Smile!!!! Holy crap!!
On the other side, I’m pretty sure based on the spells available that a science vessel is supposed to be comparable to a defiler or a high templar (aoe damage spell and a protection spell, but cannot attack).
My impression was that arbiters are meant to give Protoss an additional capital ship, and are a force multiplier meant to be comparable to siege tanks. No reason for them to not have an attack if that’s the case
Hah I hadn't seen your comment but just posted an almost-opposite view of it. Same mechanism, but I pitched that it could almost be a handicap. You arguably would want a spell caster like an arbiter to evade attack and stay back from the front lines - but instead with a basic attack, they'll keep heading closer to the front lines/wandering into battle, or the always popular "arbiter takes on missile turret despite suggestions otherwise"
After match Smile throws his keyboard at the crowd and shouts “ARe you not entertained?!”
yes we are
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I fell into a youtube hole with this channel - i can't get enough of the replays. I used to study Boxer way back when....love the commentary and the memories
You REALLY gotta upload the first game from the WCG 2010 from flash vs jaedong. I'm sure that will receive an epic tag
35:20 that damn vulture coming from the north looked like a nuke!!
The reason why Arbiters have an attack is so they have a way to kill units.
See, in Brood War, all spellcasters have an ability to inflict damage to the enemy - Science Vessels have Irradiate, Queens have Spawn Broodling, etc.; and spellcasters who don't have an ability to inflict damage, have an attack to do that instead.
The only exception is the medic, but considering how immensely powerful its auto-cast heal is, I believe that it didn't need a way to inflict damage.
Edit: also, all spellcasters in Brood War have 3 abilities, no more. The arbiter already has Cloaking Field, Stasis Field, and Recall - none of which cause damage - so in lue of having a fourth ability, it has an attack.
That makes sense. Also, in PvT it makes for an annoying way to keep terran honest. Like, if terran only has vultures and tanks (which is quite possible) then arbiters can be a nuisance and slowly pick off a tank or two. Although I'm not sure if Blizzard thought that far ahead.
I think the true reason arbiters have an attack is to prevent them to escape the field of battle when attacked, since most casters do not have an attack and run away when they take damage. Having your cloaking unit run away from your other units is kinda stupid.
Also bad english sorry :)
Antonio AR that's a great point! Also, I'm an English teacher, good English! :D
Well someone correct me if I'm wrong but the arbiter's attack actually makes it more vulnerable because it will be targeted by the AI whereas if it did not have an attack it would be a low-priority.
Sadly, Irradiate is largely useless against Protoss.
I've got a confession to make. I've checked daily whether there's some new Falcon Paladin content and watched it ASAP.
Living in Europe makes it a bit difficult to tune in for any streams tho' so I'm happy to see you upload new SC:R content frequently :)
I bought StarCraft when it came out and played it for over six years and although I never got good at it, it's still got a warm spot in my heart and the Remastered client has done it some justice (didn't alienate the game, kept the "feel" as original as possible with its classic clunky mechanics like pathfinding etc. which we all hold dear). I mean if Scarabs would hit 100% of the time, it wouldn't be StarCraft 1 anymore, now would it? ;) Or if Dragoons moved in perfect formations.
Happy to have you here. :0
It's funny when I first saw images from SC Remastered, I hadn't watched a SC1 match in many many years, or played it, so I was like "Well this looks exactly 100% like the original, what a fucking great remaster wohoo!" but then went to check how the original looked like and it's like somebody had rubbed sand in my eyes. Memory does weird things, the remaster is how I remembered the original looking like from my childhood
We probably did see the same effective resolution, pixel density wise, if you were using a smallish (CRT?) monitor back then with HD or 1080p. With bigger LED monitors today, original BW would be forced to play on lower resolution, hence more obvious pixelation. SO the remaster is pretty much requred to take advantage of the size, plus the usually 1440p and 4k res of bigger monitors.
Keep the starcraft remastered content coming. I would watch your twitch but having a full time job and living in Australia makes that difficult :)
You got it. :)
holy moly base trades, arbithres, full terran army
THIS WAS A GAME!!!!!
Amazing game, there were so many times I didn't think Smile would pull it off.
Another cool thing about the "turret under engineering bay" move is that units can't select, and therefore cannot focus fire it. This is very good against reaver drops. A reaver may want to focus a turret so that it's shuttle can drop it on top of a tank. When there's an engineering bay over the turret, it can't. GG REAVER!
that last dragoon shot for the tank was perfect lol you know he was hurt after that attack
32:21 that "weird EMP" happened right as the vessel came out of stasis. He clicked to cast it before it got caught in the stasis field and it carried out the order when it came out. 30:00 Smile starts building CC at top right, you're then surprised to see it later. 32:53 you notice Bisu's 4th and 5th finally after they've been on the minimap for a while. Keep scanning that minimap!
Love having regular BW casts, keep it up
That epic storm at 30:25 Falcon you missed it!
I missed it either!!! he caught like 20 SCV!!!
As always, science vessel is the game changer for T players: radication against defiler, EMP against Arbiter, archon, etc. It's inexpensive, it's fast, and it can kill. Built and Protect the science vessels till they sweep out all Posts units' shield in ONE shot, is the core tactical. We've seen it from Flash to Last, but still most T players only relay on their brutal artillery push without using their brains. And particularly in this match, an arbiter hunting team made up by 5 or 6 wraiths will be way more effective than randomly stalking Goliaths, then leave the rest jobs to science vessels and tanks.
is hard to micro
that hitbox is too small for an emp to be THAT effective, thats why you dont see it that much. You really only see it on arbiters to stop stasis/recalls. but yeah, the troops defend the vessels, and the vessels defend the troops.
Good job with these videos guy. Excelent !!!
Very 10x you man, you do this replays. They are great. And music you choose is greater. Very favorite of mine too. Take care for you too, man and go with more replays. They are a great break for my rest time. I watch them every day for a good mood!
Arbiters having a basic attack is actually kind of an interesting handicap on them. How many times have you seen someone recall into the opponent's base, and the arbiter dies facing a missile turret/static defense while the player is micro'ing the attack forces. If the arbiter didn't have an attack, it would evade when being attacked.... but instead it shows up at the gates of arbiter heaven having to explain why it took on a missile turret, again. Similarly in an open battlefield, the arbiter is more likely to keep advancing to the front line to attack, unless the player has it hold position or follow another unit in battle (but those have their own problems)
Awesome stuff! Thanks so much for the content FP!! Great job!
You're very welcome!
Great work FP! A little suggestion: more tactical and strategies comment during the game would be fantastic :D
Terran is always going to outlast Protoss. It is what it is.
Terran is the best race if you have a good micro. They just have a counter for everything. Besides, protoss units are damn expensive.
great cast! the super-close zoomed-in view the whole time was a bit tough, though
What a great game. Definitely worthy of the "EPIC" tag.
31:45 Lol Falcon Paladin, you accidentally mistook the base that Smile took as a protoss base (probably because of the Yellow color). You said "What is the science vessel doing here, it can't deal damage..." :P Or perhaps you thought that the Vessel was an Arbiter :P since you said that it could "stasis these tanks."
Let's see a smile vs (Z) game if you have any Falcon Paladin!
One of the most tense matches I've seen. Enjoyed it alot. I really like your narration, keep up the good work!
Bisu?? Falcon Paladin???? EPIC?????????? Man, happy holidays!
hey can you use the direction keys on the keyboard to move around, it lets u get a bigger picture of the map rather than just always clicking on the mini map to move around
i was waiting for mass carriers the entire game
I dont know who plays the terrain but i can definitely tell you that he does know anything.
omg i miss this game so much
FYI, Dapenda means "Kick everyone's ass" in Korean.
OMG, it looked like Smile was lower in supply like for the whole game!!! Amazing!
P.S. still want a game with Battlecruisers versus Carriers.
GG to Smile , what a performance to beat this monster Bisu when you're name is not FlaSh !
Don't criticize Bisu unless you are absolutely sure, you are right: His probe saturation at 9:00 is absolutely OK and intentional. It's not even really oversaturated since you see free mineral patches sometimes. And it's normal to oversaturate by some degree in your main if you want to expand quickly and then transfer the workers you have in reserve.
Yeah that was a good one
Awesome!
Did you see him pick up the tank with the shuttle to avoid the spidermine @21:38. Gosu.
Great content
how com the protoss dont go more into air tech when facing allot of siege tanks? just statis the goliaths and finish the tanks of with carriers or use distrubter web on sieged tanks
yet another adition of starcraft broodwar REmastered!
this replay is bussin fr no cap
At 34:00 Bisu maxes out at twice the supply of Smile, Bisu attacks to make sure smile can’t get resources to win. At 35:30 the game has been decided... in Smile’s favor
Falcon, once you're finished with the BW missions on Twitch, you should play both veteran level campaigns located under the campaign folder in custom maps. Be sure to have use map settings selected. It's called Enslavers in SC original and Dark Vengeance in BW. They're super fun and a bit more difficult.
Iloveoov is a Terran player. He's got a 80%+ against Z for awhile.
Yep! czcams.com/video/D1J0q5TB1EE/video.html
was bisu sleeping?
There's so many tricks I never see the pros exploit, the one I'm thinking of now is consecutive stasis hits (keeping certain ineffective enemy forces alive instead of killing them as a form of supply blocking)...the demoralization of such a maneuver is itself effective enough!
And Smile retired he said? That was absolutely amazing for a retired player.
any chance reupload the streams in youtube? i got problems with twitch
I'll give it a try.
Please do! It would be so convenient to have all the vids in one place rather than going to different sites for different content.
14:35 nono, the cloak is amazing vs Terran! Scans are very limited in TvP because the Toss uses deathball tactics and you have to constantly keep tabs on his army or he will flank and kill you. Vessels are a few and already good stasis targets. It is not unlikely that the Terran runs out of scans during his push, at which point the Vessels get stasised and the Terran loses ground to a-move. Honestly, you would see this more if the Arbiter didn't have that useless 10 dmg attack that causes them to act like an attacking unit and rush towers or gololies (compare to how easier it is to keep a defiler or vessel alive).
Another advantage of having the cloak vs Terran, which comes up more often that you would think, is being able to safely camp stasised tanks. If you stasis the tanks, and win the fight, they are free food. But imagine what would happen if 6+ tanks get a volley off on your dragoons as the unfreeze. The same thing that happens if the Terran is perfect with his scan timing, they kill 20 food of units before they die.
You are good singer, dude! :D
Hey, thanks!
Hey, Did smile expand right in the midle of battle ? wow !!
like your commentary dude
Hey, thanks!
21:43 I think once you got statis, you cant see anything just freeze.
my arguement point is, once Vessell freeze, its detector function lost
Sensors are used for detection not eyes lol
@@Justinanddad2016 ？？
Pro Falcon Post
switching the name from Smile to Special every now and then xD
Was looking through EPIC playlist, but it seems not sorting chronologically.
Is there a way to sort it properly ?
Okay, I think I got it sorted chronologically. Take a look and let me know.
@@FalconPaladin Yes, it does. thank you.
love the dependa name though
From midgame onwards, I felt a little more bullish than you were about Smile's chances. He controlled a lot of map, and tank groups are very hard to break.
it was the battle of the spinal cord (bisu) and brain (smile)
Wow. As much as i dont like terran gg smile. Taking down bisu aint no easy task. Surely worthy of the epic tag.
Why dont they just go closer with those dragoons? Siege tanks cant shoot up close in siege mode. What am I missing?
Nice :O
Нормально стелишь фраерок)
He couldn't attack the SCV at the start because that's a complete tight wall! That's the reason the marine did not move out to kill the probe. See liquipedia.net/starcraft/Walling_as_Terran
maybe Bisu created that final worker symbolically, lol, as in Protoss loses but lives on to fight another day, the NEXT generation, lol.
I just don't get it. At some point Bisu had more than enough to replenish with carriers to support vs tanks.
Terrance Culture Triumphant
Flash even had two 80% Match Ups once
I zone out / play another game while they dance the dance
Please cast a pro game on Neo Medusa & Outsider. Both my favorite maps
This are the kind of games explaining the total catastrophy that Is StarCraft 2
Pretty standard.
Wow amazing game, SC brood was the best line up and much better than the new SC period.
sometimes Bisu shows poor judgment in the late game. he lost when he decided to pull his army from the highground at 1 pos to kill terran's base when he should have saved it to protect his own expos. that was not cost efficient at all
bisu was to hesitant in this much not cleaning mines straight after won battle. which when real army occurred delayed his progress bad decisions like leave his right corner expand to destroy then leave whole army there to kill it and so on. it was very painful to watch. imo
What year is this from?
Why protoss keep fighting siege with ground units?
22nd minute i knew Bisu was done.
SCV massacre at 30:22
Porque dice spaiderman todo el tiempo????
Wish my computer didn't die years ago and had the money to fix it. I really miss playing broodwar. Haven't had a chance to play remastered either. You want replays. I have sooooo many pro replays. And amazing replays I've played against many professional clans like oops,NC, intothe etc.
Hey, uh, you want to send me some of those pro replays? :D
@@FalconPaladin would have all ready sent them if my computer worked. 😭and I would be playing broodwar
terran played very good
GG
You should play some Starcraft Brood War on ladder to get deeper understanding of this game so your commentary get better ^^
missile turret under eng :) classic man
I think Stork is better than Bisu. Stork would've been at +3 weapon, armor, and shields long before 36 minutes.
Different builds, the meta back then was 1 forge upgrades
Bisu is better than Stork IMO, I'd recommend their epic mirror match up on Heartbreak ridge.
reason arbitera having ANY attack: otherwise protoss wouldn't have any low-level ground attacking air vehicle.
Ermmm... Scout?
TERRAN POWER
I am seriously coming to the conclusion that Terran are OP versus Protoss in BW. Spider mine/Siege tank lines are almost impossible to beat. The only option the toss player has is to recall armies into bases to attack the economy and infrastructure.
Sammy yup. And TvZ is even worse, Zerg has to fight an uphill battle
Jae Park zerg has dark swarm which comes with a fairly solid midgame advantage until the terran tank count is large, protoss has no such hard counter to terran
Tbh Protoss are just horrible against everyone in BW. It's very hard, personally I think zealot bombs and storms are your only option against Terran.
@@in3x Protoss is very good vs Zerg, Terran is understood to be the strongest race in BW but requires some difficult play..
The tank is untouchable. Conpletely op..only counts.2.. has 85 siege damage. Its nuts. It decimates all protoss ground troops. Ive seen protoss up three bases...terran just stack up 10tanks and.vultures and steamroll the more advanced protoss army. Bring the damage down of the siege from 85 to 70..or make it count 3. Remove the op detection from terran. Maybe make vulture counts 25 gas because of its special abilities. The tank skews the game in terran favour.
wow, i cant belive bisu lost this one
Pog
it's not blue blood on dragoons, it's water that they're submerged in
Protoss has blue blood too...
hay Bisu remember to smile a bit more, you can't win them all :P
there must be a counter to arbiter stasis
At last, a terran wins vs the best protos 😂😃😄
darkswarm isnt an immobilty spell)
Is it just me or do other people annoyed by abilities such as stasis and dark swarm? I guess the lack of effective tank splits in this game would have negated their usefulness
Dark swarm is mega OP
The tank is mega ultra op...protoss don't have a unit tht can deal with it cost effectively
@@jldp24 zealots and arbiter statis deals with tanks quite nicely.
So Ppl smurfing in broodwar too. Nicüüüü xD
thats great how he mentioned the gs warriors then this year they get rolled by toronto in the play offs like it wasnt no thing lmfaox1000000000000000000000000000000000000000