WHAT A LIFE this man led.. When most people never traveled more than a few miles from the place they were born, John Adams helped to form a new nation .. sailed the seas.. saw France, Sweden, Denmark London.... Saw his son elected president.. Passed away at age 90 in his own bed - What a life, indeed! (I meant to say Puerto Rico - Stupid auto-correct!)
@@erincosta565 George the III did go through 3 bouts of insanity in his reign. But between them he made impressive recoveries and was a much beloved monarch. Modern science points to porphyria as a potential cause though arsenic may have been the result of his death in the third. Despite his insanity I find his will power in his times of clarity to set things right to be impressive and respectable. Most people would have ended themselves or fallen into depression.
In the series, the court has always had a high opinion of Adams. The king however, respected Adams because of what he stood for, and not what he had done.
Jess Kaii Adams was actually well known among the British public for defending the troops of the Boston massacre in court and hilariously he later ran into one of the captains he had defended in court during his time in Britain
Always loved the fact that Adams' meeting with King George III was officially recorded! So what you saw and heard in the HBO miniseries actually took place. As for Adams laughing at the opinion piece of his being hanged? I could believe the real Joun Adams would have reacted that way...😎🇵🇷🇺🇸🗽🦂
I love how she can just order the colonel to remove the papers and adams goes along with it. Accepts it. Allows him to snatch the paper from his hand. Lol
When reputation mattered more as an internal source of esteem rather than an external source of threat(via twitter mob getting you unpersoned for example), I don't think this modern day hysteria machine could have been taken quite as seriously. Or at least, I hope it wouldn't have.
Laura Linney was fantastic as Abigail! Sharp witted, keeping up with the man that is the Second President of the United States. I know this was Paul Giammati's role, but Linney hit Abigail perfectly.
Abigail Adams was probably the smartest and most influential First Lady right up until the turn of the 20th century. It's a pity she was born in an era where women had very little public voice; if she had been born 150 years later she'd likely be more intimately involved in affairs of state and a more proactive influence on her husband's administration like Eleanor Roosevelt was. Nonetheless she provided a sage voice of wisdom and influenced John Adams' career and presidency (and by extent our young nation) for the better to the fullest extent that any woman could in those days.
thehorrorgeek1 I disagree. A free, independent press is integral to any functioning democracy. Even if the purveyors in question are no more than a gross pack of liars and calumners paid to assassinate the reputation of an honest public servant, one should pay them no more mind than the braying of an ass. The truth will always out.
He was annoyed because they were accusing him of the wrong type of vanity my interpretation is that he has spent his whole life as a civil servant trying to improve people's lives and is angry and confused that he doesn't get recognition for it owing to his crotchety and disagreeable temperament, and he doesn't realise that to be hard-working and to be charismatic are two different things
Colonel Smith knows who really runs that house lol. He snatched it right out of his hands lol. I imagine that would normally be the equivalent of taking the TV remote from Dad nowadays lol
Women have always ran the households lol my grandpa did whatever my grandmother told him whenever he was indoors, the home was her domain, except the garage lol
It's always shocked me that John Adams was chosen to be the Ambassador to England: a man who's greatest life's achievement was to lead a revolution against a government who's policy goals included seeing him and his cousin twisting at the ends of ropes. Now he was to go to that nation and government and be a friendly face, and they were expected to accept him as a dignitary. It's not even as if John Adams had the personality to be an Ambassador in the first place. Then again, "Only Nixon could go to China"!
John Adams was the kind of a man though, that he would do his job, and do it with a sense of duty, even if he had personal feelings to the contrary. He defended those British Soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre as previously mentioned in this thread. His legacy was very often overlooked. The book and this series have helped revers that.
Adams was fairly sympathetic to Britain in comparison to most of the other Founding Fathers, and he was one of the few men of high stature who had bona fide diplomatic credentials. He was no-nonsense and a committed patriot but also observed the finer points of diplomatic propriety and decorum. As a previous responder said, he was also committed to law and duty and was grudgingly respected by the British for his defense of the Boston Massacre soldiers despite holding deep personal reservations about their actions. He was the perfect man for the job - firm but fair. Someone like Hamilton who was downright enamored with Britain would have been a pushover and allowed King George to do whatever he pleased in negotiations, while a revolutionary bomb-thrower like Jefferson who openly cheered on the French guillotining Louis XVI (who was our vital ally!) would have been so toxic to affairs with Britain that he might have damn well started a second war. Maybe Adams didn't achieve a great deal as ambassador but he did the best he could with a nigh-impossible job and normalized relations at a time when the gaping wound between our nations was still wide open, let alone even a scar yet.
@@bobsnow6242 This series and Paul Giamatti’s performance really opened my eyes to the inestimable contribution made by John Adams. This little guy who had the misfortune to follow Gen. Washington as President gets labeled a clanging gong and a failure, or at least a bore… but without John Adams, would we even have a country? He galvanized the Massachusetts delegation into declaring independence, and Massachusetts convinced the rest of the colonies. He drafted Jefferson to craft our Declaration. He finessed financing from the Dutch, without which the new nation would have gone under, and I don’t think there was another person among the founding fathers to whom the hard-nosed Dutch would’ve been willing to lend money. It’s a safe bet that Mr. Franklin or Mr. Jefferson would’ve been a disaster in The Hague. The choice of Mr. Adams to be the first Ambassador of the United States to the Court of St. James was also sound. King George had been quite keen to award Adams some high honor after the Boston Massacre trial and so was better disposed toward John despite the circumstances of their eventual meeting. Adams gets overshadowed by more charismatic figures of Revolutionary history but we owe him so much. He was an absolutely crucial factor in our success. RIP JA and David McCullough, who illuminated him for us.
King George was hurt by the colonies' secession, hurt personally, and he feared for their survival. That really showed in this performance, great work all around.
the only "hurt" King George felt was losing the nearly infinite natural resources that would have been available in the colonies. the "new world" was intended to be the domain, playground, and as-near-to-heaven-on-earth-as-you-can-get for him and his domineering cohorts in the monarchy. any sincerity of concern was long gone, as his treatment of the colonists in the years leading up to the revolution clearly demonstrated. his portrayal in this scene, imho, is more accurately interpreted as similar to the character major fambrough in dances with wolves; a man who has basically lost touch with reality and cannot realize/admit that events have overtaken his control.
@@cloudwatcher724 That's a somewhat of an accurate statement. George III wasn't a skilled statesman nor did he excel in foreign affairs. However your statement of the 13 colonies being some sort of Heaven-on-earth replica is largely false. There were exotic resources like Cotton, Corn, Small game pelts, (Beaver was extremely popular) Cotton was the most important to the British Empire because they needed it for the production of Sail canvas.
I love how much the task of managing John's affairs is the domain of Abigail. She is like a coach making sure the player is fit for the game. When something messes with her husband, she doesn't fuck around. She has no problems giving orders to military officers when it is within her realm of authority.
He Defended the British Soldiers from the Boston Massacre in Court to the best of his ability, while believing personally the Colonies should declare and fight for their Independence. It's impressive especially when you consider the times.
Christopher Metcalf we have yet to see if this is a conservative "dead cat bounce", or if it's in fact a reaction to the left's overbearing and unconstitutional policies. If it's a dead cat bounce, it will fizzle out quietly eventually. If it is a reaction to the left that sustains itself... The left is in for quite the reality check in regards to this country specifically.
They had one of the most healthy and mutual relationships, not just for the time, but into today. John respected her intellect, her ability, and always took her counsel. Never treated her as beneath him at least as far as the letters we have indicate. Must have been bizzare for some of the men at the time who knew him but they were one hell of a pair
I like how this seems to be the most realistic dramatization of the American Revolutionary/early history period ever put to film. Not just in the sense of period accurate costumes and settings/setpieces and props and accents, etc. But in the sense of depicting that era the way it actually was. Almost every other film or show is so overly-reverential and idealized and seeks to friggin DIEFY the founding fathers, to the point where the actual history is completely lost. The scene where Adams looks at Turnbull's painting of the signing of the Declaration of Independence sums up what I mean perfectly. So many of them just make it all seem so perfect and harmonious and covers up all the blemishes. England and King George were evil tyrants who were big meanies to the colonists, so they all decided to have independence and all the big dogs came together at once and signed the Declaration with unanimity, and then we fought the Brits for a bit, won, and then they set up a perfect government right away with no issues at all. It all just came together by divine providence or whatever. Kindergarten-tier history. Completely oversimplified and downright propaganda. When in reality, it was NOTHING like that.
Yes, but let's not assume the only motive for deifying the founders and the new republic were simply to idealize or whitewash history. That would be naive. The founders knew that a shared mythology about the country was essential for maintaining civility and order.
Dutch Republic: "First time?" It all comes down to power. Thanks, king/emperor whoever. But now we are strong enough to look after ourselves. Come to think of that, we've been doing quite well for ourselves these past years. Yeah yeah yeah, thanks for fighting on our behalf but you have your empire to keep up while we merchants tend to look more at the bottom line. The bottom line says, we would be even more succesful without you! Only thing we gotta straighten out, is how to turn our mercantile power into actual military power and then it's adios amigos! We make our own money, protect ourselves and we'll be making lots more of money without you, Sir! Good Riddance.
king George would have said “United States do not suffer,” not “does” not suffer. The States were thought of as a confederacy after the revolution, and not a singularity.
In the immortal words of Shemp Howard: "His dead body was found wrapped up in newspapers. Now, I know you can't believe everything you see in the papers, but the fact remains he's dead."
This only makes me appreciate the Ethan Allen riposte in the Lincoln movie so much more...I wish someone had told the British press something equivalent at the time.
As a witty comeback it would have gone down quite well in many parts of Britain. None of this “respect the troops” malarkey in the age of the press gang and the local regiment on the loot.
Colonel Smith’s little eye roll when he senses Adams is about to go on another spell. 😂 Poor man probably has to put up with 50 quotations a day from his boss
I always thought if i was Adams in this scene I would have to pen a letter to each of those papers thanking them for writing an issue worth using in the outhouse on two occasions 😂
“I pray Mr Adams, that the United States does not suffer unduly from its want of a monarchy” . In a society where there is no ruler appointed by God then Gods judgement comes more harshly when God is rejected.
@@RoseNoho what a salty triggered reply. Just jumping to a conclusion and snapping. Someone's feelers are hurt. By the way, journalism is dead and the media is a circus
@@fds7476 nope it was a genetic blood disorder that can be inherited. The King was congenitally sane and was actually quite intelligent. So much bad press for the King particularly in the United States. But then the Americans have always clutched at any excuse to explain their illegal declaration of independence.
"We will strive to answer one's prayers, your majesty." That is why you send a lawyer to represent you in a difficult negotiation. I can't imagine an answer that is more dignified for the USA and less insulting for the UK.
You must pay them no mind sir! -hides that hes enjoying reading the roast. Col Smith snatches the paper out of his bosses hands at abigail's notorder. Hilarious.
“A man who reads nothing is better educated than a man who reads nothing but newspapers.” - Thomas Jefferson
Is it more true now?
I doubt he said that, but it’s true.
Primus Pilus 14 he did say it, according to many sources.
I respectfully disagree. I would say that if a man (person) sic BELEIVES everything he reads....
"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read it, you're misinformed." - Mark Twain
Glad to see the British media hasn't change much.
And I was expecting Adams to have his wife get into black leathers & whip him at the end to relieve the tension. 😂
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@Jay Slomine I guess you've never seen Billions.
No Big pair of tits on page 3 in those days.
😂😂😂✌
"Cutler Beckett?"
"It's 'King' now, actually."
lmfao true
Same with Harry Potter's uncle (see POTC 4)
MVP comment!!
Jack Sparrow: *gulps*
Val Mid He was a different king
WHAT A LIFE this man led.. When most people never traveled more than a few miles from the place they were born, John Adams helped to form a new nation .. sailed the seas.. saw France, Sweden, Denmark London.... Saw his son elected president.. Passed away at age 90 in his own bed - What a life, indeed! (I meant to say Puerto Rico - Stupid auto-correct!)
Rejoice evermore!
Finland didn't exist, it was Russia and Sweden at the time.
Awesome!
@@levvy3006 Finland doesn't exist even today!
@@jasonbaileystudent9088 am 51
This was a golden age of British satire and political commentary, to be fair. They mocked the King as badly, sometimes worse.
The king was also mad so they had plenty of material to work with.
The spirit of The Sun and the Daily Mail
@@erincosta565 George the III did go through 3 bouts of insanity in his reign. But between them he made impressive recoveries and was a much beloved monarch. Modern science points to porphyria as a potential cause though arsenic may have been the result of his death in the third. Despite his insanity I find his will power in his times of clarity to set things right to be impressive and respectable. Most people would have ended themselves or fallen into depression.
Golden age of British Colonialism
@@abdulansari3666 I'd argue that came a few decades later, but sure
In the series, the court has always had a high opinion of Adams. The king however, respected Adams because of what he stood for, and not what he had done.
Jess Kaii Adams was actually well known among the British public for defending the troops of the Boston massacre in court and hilariously he later ran into one of the captains he had defended in court during his time in Britain
Always loved the fact that Adams' meeting with King George III was officially recorded! So what you saw and heard in the HBO miniseries actually took place. As for Adams laughing at the opinion piece of his being hanged? I could believe the real Joun Adams would have reacted that way...😎🇵🇷🇺🇸🗽🦂
@@icecoldpolitics8890 wow that's cool. Captain Preston's wikipedia page mentions the chance meeting in London.
The king even called George Washington the greatest man of his age when he resigned as commander in chief... prior to the presidency.
I love how she can just order the colonel to remove the papers and adams goes along with it. Accepts it. Allows him to snatch the paper from his hand. Lol
Adams had deep respect for his wife so it makes sense.
I wouldn't be surprised if Adams instructed the Colonel to treat any order from Abigail as if it came from his own mouth.
Colonel knows who wears the pants at home.
@@relaxedsack1263 all the do actually
They were all like that with their wives.
Imagine John Adams with twitter and such, today. He would be apoplectic.
Benjamin Franklin looked disgusting--nipples protruding--in his blue petticoat before comte de Vergennes . Very very disrespectful.
Franklin with Twitter would have just destroyed him though.
When reputation mattered more as an internal source of esteem rather than an external source of threat(via twitter mob getting you unpersoned for example), I don't think this modern day hysteria machine could have been taken quite as seriously. Or at least, I hope it wouldn't have.
I want to write a movie in which the American Revolution takes place in a time with our modern technology.
@@RoseNoho good. Go on.
Laura Linney was fantastic as Abigail! Sharp witted, keeping up with the man that is the Second President of the United States. I know this was Paul Giammati's role, but Linney hit Abigail perfectly.
I LOVE her as Abigail Adams! She has such a great representation of her.
The whole cast was great! This is a great miniseries, I need to go and rewatch it, it's been a while.
Laura linney knows the assignment. Looked up how many oscars she's won. Zero. Scandalous
Yes, she was great. She is great in everything to be fair.
This entire series was so well cast.
Abigail Adams was probably the smartest and most influential First Lady right up until the turn of the 20th century. It's a pity she was born in an era where women had very little public voice; if she had been born 150 years later she'd likely be more intimately involved in affairs of state and a more proactive influence on her husband's administration like Eleanor Roosevelt was. Nonetheless she provided a sage voice of wisdom and influenced John Adams' career and presidency (and by extent our young nation) for the better to the fullest extent that any woman could in those days.
Benjamin Franklin did tell him _"the British love an insult!"._
John Adams' reaction at 2:14 is priceless! Thanks for posting!
The Daily Mail was a thing before it was a thing.
"John Adams gives you cancer!"
He did serve his country. He did a fine job.
“They accuse me of vanity.”
All due respect, sir, but you are freaking out over a negative newspaper article right now.
thehorrorgeek1 I disagree. A free, independent press is integral to any functioning democracy. Even if the purveyors in question are no more than a gross pack of liars and calumners paid to assassinate the reputation of an honest public servant, one should pay them no more mind than the braying of an ass. The truth will always out.
The word vanity at the time meant more in the sense of "vanishing" or pointless.
He was annoyed because they were accusing him of the wrong type of vanity my interpretation is that he has spent his whole life as a civil servant trying to improve people's lives and is angry and confused that he doesn't get recognition for it owing to his crotchety and disagreeable temperament, and he doesn't realise that to be hard-working and to be charismatic are two different things
@thehorrorgeek1 fuck the press. They are just as bad as the politicians and the main drivers of our division
@@kelvyquayo Agreed, likewise too with the word’s continued use in the Book of Ecclesiastes.
Colonel Smith knows who really runs that house lol. He snatched it right out of his hands lol. I imagine that would normally be the equivalent of taking the TV remote from Dad nowadays lol
Women have always ran the households lol my grandpa did whatever my grandmother told him whenever he was indoors, the home was her domain, except the garage lol
It's always shocked me that John Adams was chosen to be the Ambassador to England: a man who's greatest life's achievement was to lead a revolution against a government who's policy goals included seeing him and his cousin twisting at the ends of ropes. Now he was to go to that nation and government and be a friendly face, and they were expected to accept him as a dignitary.
It's not even as if John Adams had the personality to be an Ambassador in the first place.
Then again, "Only Nixon could go to China"!
@Peter T excellent point
John Adams was the kind of a man though, that he would do his job, and do it with a sense of duty, even if he had personal feelings to the contrary.
He defended those British Soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre as previously mentioned in this thread.
His legacy was very often overlooked. The book and this series have helped revers that.
Adams was fairly sympathetic to Britain in comparison to most of the other Founding Fathers, and he was one of the few men of high stature who had bona fide diplomatic credentials. He was no-nonsense and a committed patriot but also observed the finer points of diplomatic propriety and decorum. As a previous responder said, he was also committed to law and duty and was grudgingly respected by the British for his defense of the Boston Massacre soldiers despite holding deep personal reservations about their actions. He was the perfect man for the job - firm but fair. Someone like Hamilton who was downright enamored with Britain would have been a pushover and allowed King George to do whatever he pleased in negotiations, while a revolutionary bomb-thrower like Jefferson who openly cheered on the French guillotining Louis XVI (who was our vital ally!) would have been so toxic to affairs with Britain that he might have damn well started a second war. Maybe Adams didn't achieve a great deal as ambassador but he did the best he could with a nigh-impossible job and normalized relations at a time when the gaping wound between our nations was still wide open, let alone even a scar yet.
He and the king became close friends. He was even allowed access to the king's personal library, which was very rare.
@@bobsnow6242 This series and Paul Giamatti’s performance really opened my eyes to the inestimable contribution made by John Adams. This little guy who had the misfortune to follow Gen. Washington as President gets labeled a clanging gong and a failure, or at least a bore… but without John Adams, would we even have a country? He galvanized the Massachusetts delegation into declaring independence, and Massachusetts convinced the rest of the colonies. He drafted Jefferson to craft our Declaration. He finessed financing from the Dutch, without which the new nation would have gone under, and I don’t think there was another person among the founding fathers to whom the hard-nosed Dutch would’ve been willing to lend money. It’s a safe bet that Mr. Franklin or Mr. Jefferson would’ve been a disaster in The Hague. The choice of Mr. Adams to be the first Ambassador of the United States to the Court of St. James was also sound. King George had been quite keen to award Adams some high honor after the Boston Massacre trial and so was better disposed toward John despite the circumstances of their eventual meeting. Adams gets overshadowed by more charismatic figures of Revolutionary history but we owe him so much. He was an absolutely crucial factor in our success. RIP JA and David McCullough, who illuminated him for us.
King George had perfected his death stare
King George was hurt by the colonies' secession, hurt personally, and he feared for their survival. That really showed in this performance, great work all around.
Love this comment. You can see his tearing eyes after he tells John Adams he wishes the USA won't regret the decision they made.
Really shows the difference in pov
the only "hurt" King George felt was losing the nearly infinite natural resources that would have been available in the colonies. the "new world" was intended to be the domain, playground, and as-near-to-heaven-on-earth-as-you-can-get for him and his domineering cohorts in the monarchy. any sincerity of concern was long gone, as his treatment of the colonists in the years leading up to the revolution clearly demonstrated. his portrayal in this scene, imho, is more accurately interpreted as similar to the character major fambrough in dances with wolves; a man who has basically lost touch with reality and cannot realize/admit that events have overtaken his control.
@@cloudwatcher724 That's a somewhat of an accurate statement. George III wasn't a skilled statesman nor did he excel in foreign affairs.
However your statement of the 13 colonies being some sort of Heaven-on-earth replica is largely false.
There were exotic resources like Cotton, Corn, Small game pelts, (Beaver was extremely popular)
Cotton was the most important to the British Empire because they needed it for the production of Sail canvas.
@@MrSeekerOfPeace i was thinking mostly of land...
When you are reading the news. Whether it be online or offline, that you take every word with a grain of salt. Never hesitate to question everything.
I may have gotten distracted by the fact he had Moriarty at his side o.O
Founding fathers have feelings too.
I love how much the task of managing John's affairs is the domain of Abigail. She is like a coach making sure the player is fit for the game.
When something messes with her husband, she doesn't fuck around. She has no problems giving orders to military officers when it is within her realm of authority.
We are fortunate that they had movie cameras at the time so as to film exactly what Abigail said to John
You can always count on the camera man to be there and capture it all. No matter the condition
He Defended the British Soldiers from the Boston Massacre in Court to the best of his ability, while believing personally the Colonies should declare and fight for their Independence. It's impressive especially when you consider the times.
Governor Swann: Cutler Beckett?
Beckett: It’s KING now, actually.
Finally, I have been expecting your arrival.
King or not. You have no right to arrest these two.
@@darkmagician2521 actually I believe I do. The warrant for the arrest of one John Adams.
I need to watch this again. Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney were absolutely brilliant.
i laughed very hard when he said "here is someone calling for me to be hanged"
TWO SCOOPS?! IMPEACH AND HANG ADAMS! - Lord Stephen Colbertsworth
Lol, comparing Trump to Adams is like comparing a turnip to a rocket ship, and Trump ain't no rocket ship.
GOD WHAT A COUNTRY. *CHARMING*
This was not the first time the British threatened to hang John Adams. You'd think he'd be used to it by now.
Christopher Metcalf we have yet to see if this is a conservative "dead cat bounce", or if it's in fact a reaction to the left's overbearing and unconstitutional policies. If it's a dead cat bounce, it will fizzle out quietly eventually. If it is a reaction to the left that sustains itself... The left is in for quite the reality check in regards to this country specifically.
Yanked the paper straight from his hands 😂😂😂
Hilarious! The Colonel's face at 1:15 says it all...LoL 😮😮😮
A definite WTF did they write, half of this isn’t even close?! Face
Rupert Murdoch was still new to the printing business then.
Senna Soares why is there twitter in your link?
I know that this comment is six years old, but still. This comment is amazing.
Shit, they just starting sending people to Australia!
@@drunklord1795 Why not? I've seen it on many channels/profiles.
*John Adams. The First President to call out Fake News.*
aawww Abigail and John are not just loving husband and wife, but are best friends!
They had one of the most healthy and mutual relationships, not just for the time, but into today. John respected her intellect, her ability, and always took her counsel. Never treated her as beneath him at least as far as the letters we have indicate. Must have been bizzare for some of the men at the time who knew him but they were one hell of a pair
The fact that John Adams did not spontaneously combust could only have been attributed to his wonderful wife Martha.
It is fortunate that they had movie cameras at the time to film exactly what Abigail said to John
I love the expression of his secretary in the background reading what the papers were saying.
*The Sun headline:* John Adams: Does he have nice legs?
"It's just business, Jack. Plain and simple".
"Charming. God, what a country! Charming." That had me laughing hard.
British Press hasn't changed much!
Nor the American press.
America's is way worse, what you on about?? xD
Reminds me so much of the Daily Mail and the Sun lol.
I like how this seems to be the most realistic dramatization of the American Revolutionary/early history period ever put to film. Not just in the sense of period accurate costumes and settings/setpieces and props and accents, etc. But in the sense of depicting that era the way it actually was. Almost every other film or show is so overly-reverential and idealized and seeks to friggin DIEFY the founding fathers, to the point where the actual history is completely lost. The scene where Adams looks at Turnbull's painting of the signing of the Declaration of Independence sums up what I mean perfectly. So many of them just make it all seem so perfect and harmonious and covers up all the blemishes. England and King George were evil tyrants who were big meanies to the colonists, so they all decided to have independence and all the big dogs came together at once and signed the Declaration with unanimity, and then we fought the Brits for a bit, won, and then they set up a perfect government right away with no issues at all. It all just came together by divine providence or whatever. Kindergarten-tier history. Completely oversimplified and downright propaganda. When in reality, it was NOTHING like that.
Underrated comment . Agreed
Yes, but let's not assume the only motive for deifying the founders and the new republic were simply to idealize or whitewash history. That would be naive. The founders knew that a shared mythology about the country was essential for maintaining civility and order.
Dutch Republic:
"First time?"
It all comes down to power.
Thanks, king/emperor whoever. But now we are strong enough to look after ourselves.
Come to think of that, we've been doing quite well for ourselves these past years.
Yeah yeah yeah, thanks for fighting on our behalf but you have your empire to keep up while we merchants tend to look more at the bottom line.
The bottom line says, we would be even more succesful without you!
Only thing we gotta straighten out, is how to turn our mercantile power into actual military power and then it's adios amigos!
We make our own money, protect ourselves and we'll be making lots more of money without you, Sir! Good Riddance.
Well propaganda was and is still part of nation-state building. They needed a story thats sells to people and that became history.
Bless your heart
Adams was the voice of America. Liberty with a touch of vanity. Thank you Mr Adams.
:32 - :50 Trying so hard to not bow out of habit.
This guy plays a John everywhere. He was also king John in Ironclad. Love his acting
king George would have said “United States do not suffer,” not “does” not suffer. The States were thought of as a confederacy after the revolution, and not a singularity.
Funny to see Andrew Scott there in a little cameo role as Colonel Smith. What an incredible cast this show had!
That guys voice/manner of speaking is so original i knew it was him right away and I didn't even know the actors name. He's Moriarty from sherlock
In the immortal words of Shemp Howard: "His dead body was found wrapped up in newspapers. Now, I know you can't believe everything you see in the papers, but the fact remains he's dead."
the actors in this series are phenominal
Now we know the origin story, before going after Jack Sparrow he went after John Adams
This only makes me appreciate the Ethan Allen riposte in the Lincoln movie so much more...I wish someone had told the British press something equivalent at the time.
Ironically that may be one of Spielberg’s more under-appreciated films.
As a witty comeback it would have gone down quite well in many parts of Britain. None of this “respect the troops” malarkey in the age of the press gang and the local regiment on the loot.
“They accuse me of vanity! They ALWAYS accuse me of vanity”
-said he, filled with vanity
Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas.
If this happened today, imagine what The Sun would say...
🎶🎵You'll be back, soon you'll see
You'll remember you belong to me🎵🎶
Hard to believe he went insane just a few years later.
At this point I’ve practically watched the whole series just on Clips on CZcams
Wait until he looks at page 3...
Yes that is Andrew Scott (Moriarty) as Adams’ man.
Oh John if you could only see Fleet Street and Broadcasting House now. 🤣🤣🤣
Colonel Smith’s little eye roll when he senses Adams is about to go on another spell. 😂
Poor man probably has to put up with 50 quotations a day from his boss
Lord Beckett? How’d you get on the throne??
I always thought if i was Adams in this scene I would have to pen a letter to each of those papers thanking them for writing an issue worth using in the outhouse on two occasions 😂
“I pray Mr Adams, that the United States does not suffer unduly from its want of a monarchy” . In a society where there is no ruler appointed by God then Gods judgement comes more harshly when God is rejected.
Piers Morgan already hard at work back in 1785, I see…..
2:15 Why is it that I'm able to emotionally relate to this??
Is it just me or is colonel smith the guy who plays moriarty on sherlock
2:15-:28 is hands down one of the best parts of this series.
It’s nothing personal John, It’s just good business.
YOOO Colonel Smith is Andrew Scott! I love that dude. Fantastic actor!
Don't be pissed John. They're just mad that they got their asses handed to them in the Revolution.
@Jormangandur83 there is always some asshole like you
@@t.c.thompson2359 and there's always some twat like you that has never picked up a history book in their life...
...by the French.
@@ekni4245 Vietnam
And this is the last time he wears the wig.
1:05 When the American ambassador is sus
Can we take a moment to appreciate Abigail for being a caring wife and a prudent companion to John? 😌
John Adams went into the lion's den after America had defeated them in Yorktown 3 years prior. It was obvious that he wasn't going be well recieved.
They would have had heart attacks if they read and saw the garbage of mainstream journalism today.
GRABBED BY THE PUSSY WHAT WHAT
Does mainstream journalism today call for people to be hanged? You're just a Trump lover.
@@RoseNoho Yeah, it does, and worse.
I feel like today's media is calm compared to the one in this series
@@RoseNoho what a salty triggered reply. Just jumping to a conclusion and snapping. Someone's feelers are hurt. By the way, journalism is dead and the media is a circus
Imagine being the first person to say "Ya know, I'll bet Paul Giamatti could be a serious actor."
I love that Col Smith grabs the paper out of JA’s hands
Nobody could play John Adom’s any better.
William Daniels already did.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I laughed when he said:
My God!! WHAT a country!
Country matters!
It hasn't improved over the years.
video needs to be a bit quieter. I could still make out some words on highest volume setting.
0:35 The look on the King's face, his eyes wide open, he already looks Mad.
Apparently, he was bipolar.
@@fds7476 Well, I dunno. His health problems started in his later life (appr. 1801).
@@fds7476 nope it was a genetic blood disorder that can be inherited. The King was congenitally sane and was actually quite intelligent. So much bad press for the King particularly in the United States. But then the Americans have always clutched at any excuse to explain their illegal declaration of independence.
Daily Mail was in print back then as well I see...
John Adams’s (Paul Giamanti’s) laugh just kills me 😆😆 (2:15-2:19)
My favorite thing about this scene is Abigail kind of agreeing with the vanity part
Lord Beckett?
Beckett: it’s King now
And we come full circle 250 years later
Okay i totally got transferred to Pirates of Caribbean.
It's like we learned on or in class projects when we were kids.
Have multiple sources for a piece of info.
Sad most people don't still do that.
I can’t find the entire scene with George iii
Poor guys feeling were hurt
John: They accuse me of vanity!
Abigail:…..Honey, have you MET yourself?
I love when King George III watches him leave like o o
That's Andrew Scott in the background!!! Wow!!
"We will strive to answer one's prayers, your majesty." That is why you send a lawyer to represent you in a difficult negotiation. I can't imagine an answer that is more dignified for the USA and less insulting for the UK.
what a god damn acting powerhouse this show was
I think he was talking about hessen at the end
Anyone know who is depicted in the bust behind Mrs. Adams?
Can it be considered vanity when what one thinks of one self is true?
Step 1: Abigail cancels all newspaper subscriptions
Step 2: John never reads bad press about himself
Step 3: no Alien and Sedition act
You’d think those gun owners would have revolted over that, blood for the tree of liberty and all that.
The immaterial becomes immaterial
Is the guy who played the king the same guy who played Cutler Beckett in Pirates of the Caribbean?
George III is looking a bit spacey here.
You must pay them no mind sir!
-hides that hes enjoying reading the roast.
Col Smith snatches the paper out of his bosses hands at abigail's notorder. Hilarious.
If I'm not mistaken, that's Chomondoley from Taboo
Tbf to John, you'd have to be a superman to survive a rinsing by us Englishmen
😂😂
Charming
@@dominushydra When we want to be, yes, but most of the time we're charmless miserable bastards. I think it's the weather, affects our mood.