United States vs Canada | Medical School & Becoming a Doctor
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Medical training is strenuous anywhere in the world, but it certainly does not work the same way in every country. Between becoming a fully trained doctor in Canada or the U.S., which path is harder, longer, or more expensive? Let's break it down one category at a time.
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TIME STAMPS:
00:51 - Premed
02:16 - Medical School Application
02:33 - MCAT
03:56 - Competitiveness
05:21 - Provincial Privilege
05:51 - Application Process
07:23 - Medical School
09:04 - Residency Application
10:53 - Residency
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Canada has less medical schools than the United States so it makes sense that their application process is more competitive
17 vs 180 medical school make a huge difference hence why it's harder to gain admission to cad med school like you mentioned.
@@kareem2457 Yeah precisely
Yoo youre right . How did he miss that out ?
Canada also has about one-tenth the population of the US. So per capita...it's about the same.
@@sharvintarbler6431 Not quite the same because Canada subsidizes education more. In the US if you are willing to pay you can usually find a school to accept you.
OMG this is literally what I need right now, currently studying in Canada and hopes to apply for both Canadian and USMD schools
WOAHHHH I WAS THINKING THE SAME! THIS IS ME RIGHT NOW TOO
Same
@Bilan Yassin - BScN to MD digging the credentials. Same boat, just feeling old 😪
Wait, are you taking Genetics right now?
I recognize your name.
@Henonaga Um yeah, that's literally not true.
Thank you for this as a Canadian potentially looking into the medical school this helps. But seriously Canada be crazy 😂
It really be
Trust me I know we need a 3.9 GPA to get into our 17 med school in Canada
Yeah
@@kareem2457 what's a 3.9 GPA in percent?
@@TheBirdyyeses based on the omas scale that between and 84-92 %
You forgot Quebec where the system is way different.
Medschool last 6 years instead of 4, but you don't need to do a bachelor degree before.
Thanks for pointing that out
Medical school in Quebec is still 4 years. The only difference is that Cegep students can go directly to medical school instead of completing a bachelors degree.
Some programs have a 1 year pre-med when coming directly from cegep or if you don’t have a bachelors degree in health science. So it’s 5 years with pre-med and 4 without! :)
That's pretty much the system in most of the world. Those previous 4 years before Med School are kind of a waste.
interesting! just like in France! 🇫🇷
Haha the "aboot" flew over most people's heads.
😂💀
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I’m glad someone noticed 😂
when was it?
I noticed it too lmaooo
I applied to both Canadian and US schools this year! Definitely a long and grueling process. Good luck to all applicants in the upcoming application years!
Good luck Jon, long time no see!
How was it?
@Deandre D Got in! Just finished first year :)
@@jonathonchio4724 so happy for you. did you got in the Canadian one?
It’s interesting that since Canadian Medical School’s take a more holistic approach in admission and don’t weight the MCAT evenly or at all you would expect the the Average MCAT score for a matriculant in Canada to be lower than in the US. Guess it just shows how competitive it can be for our friends up North
@C B lmao stfu
@C B lol I agree with you, the rest of these people trying to poke fun at you and silence you are just part of the cancel culture lol. Speak your mind, it's true it's all a facade to show how progressive they are but in reality it's all for show
@@shortking3429 something someone says when they have absolutely no rebuttle. Grow up lol
@@AsadiSwag Go cry about it, cope, literally it's a dog whistle, awareness or intent does not negate the directed intent of the language itself. No one negated the importance of scores, someone decided to cry about "holistic" approaches. You both have absolutely zero idea of what that entails in this context.
@C B Yeah, no idea what you're responding to, what you're assuming about my stance is based upon what I said. What is it you're trying to respond to? Because I never even implied that high stat applicants fail in other areas.
I''ve been watching your videos for a while now, but for once, I wanted to thank you for all of your hard work. It is very very hard to learn this whole pre-med process as a first generation college student and I couldn't have done it without your videos! Thank you so much!
My favourite video on the channel by far, thank you so much for touching on this subject.
These are some of these most helpful videos to me on CZcams.
Im so glad you guys went into detail on this, Ive been getting tired of explaining how ridiculous the Canadian process is lol
Thank you so much, I was waiting for Canadian videos
Such useful advice for a aspiring foreign medical student ❤️
Thank you xoxo
Omg finally a video about Canada THANK YOU
Can you make a video aboot how portable is a medical degree? eg: moving between Canada & US and from state to state. how difficult is it? what are the requirements? when is the best time to change your country/state?
State to states are normally portable. But for other countries you're looking at doing a form of exam in order to practice medicine.
Canadian med student here. From what I know it is portable, but you have to pass board exams of the country you're going to work in. For that reason, many of us do the USMLE during our MD just in case we ever want to go to the US later. Because otherwise, even if you practiced in Canada for years and you end up moving to the US, you have to do it. And from what I heard, it is truly painful to go through that process after 20 years into a specialty haha! But unless we plan to apply for residency in the US, we don't care about our score, we just want to pass. Voila :)
@@melissa2500 thanks!!
Lmaooo did you say « aboot » on purpose?? 😭😭😭😭
If your a doctor in America you DO NOT WANT TO COME HERE.
Thank you! Im a Canadian high school student aspiring to become a hospitalist. Though I have already done my research, its nice to review and refresh once in a while!
Same. I hope you get to what you want 🙏🏾
@@taddykabba9100 thank you so much! I hope you do as well! ❤️
@@sarahmcd7529 What grade are you in? Or are you in university now 😅 im trying to be a med student too one day but Im still in grade 12
Best CZcams channel to ever grace the internet. You all are saving pre-meds
Thank you so much, the timing for this video could not have been any better since I was researching into Canadian medical schools. This is all too convenient.
This is what i needed!
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much. This was so helpful😊please do one comparing medschools in Europe and in America
As always awesome and informative video we appreciate the effort that goes into making these videos they're really helpful 🙏💙 can you guys make a video comparing residency training in canada vs the U.S i'd really appreciate it and thanks in advance
Is it possible to make a video on how to do well/how to prepare for the CASPer test? That would really help! :)
Yes
Canadian medical grad here (specifically uOttawa grad, now at McGill)! Agree with most of this, though will add some my two cents:
1) There are certain "premed" programs in Canada, where you can get in straight after high school. This includes many Quebec schools + Queen's University
2) The average tuition is very variable, but Ontario tuitions are quite high. When I was in med school, It was $25K/year but increasing by $1000 each year.
3) MCAT is not taken at schools where French is involved, as there is no French MCAT. uOttawa has both a French and English program, so it doesn't make sense for 1 of its programs to require the MCAT. None of the Quebec schools require it as well.
Hope that helps!!
Happy to see a comparison on the process and how it differs between the Canadian process to the US one!
Oh man I’ve been waiting for this one !
Ah this video was soooo needed 🥺
Love these kind of videos super informative. Could you do a similar one for Australia/ New Zealand?
Thank you for this video! The next cycle would be my third attempt and I'm definitely gonna apply to US schools as well...
In Sweden, med school is right now 5,5 years, but we have no college equivalent here and can apply as soon as we’re out of gymnasiet (“high school”). In my med school, the first 2,5 years are theoretical while 2,5 are practical and 0,5 years are for research. After we’re done, we’re not licensed doctors, only “examinated”. To get a license, we have to work 1,5 years AT (allmäntjänstgöring, kinda like a general internship). Then we’ve a licence, and can specialize which takes > 5 years.
But this autumn, the new swedish med school program will take 6 years with no AT afterwards.
@@Hugodenbeste det kommer gå suveränt! Visst, en del saker ändras, men det mesta i grundprogrammet är nog detsamma. Tack och lov kommer du inte heller vara en av de första som gör BT (det är ju utländskt utbildade läkare som är försökskaninerna där - redan från och men i höst tror jag?). Vilket universitet går du förresten? Går själv på LiU
yes, it's almost the same here. 5,5-6 years (3,5-4 theoretical and 2 practical) followed by board exam and then finally licensed as a doctor. But, in order to practice independently, another 1 year under the supervision of senior doctors
@@primeirrational i am super jealous. In canada it is 4 years of bachelor, 2 years of master sometimes if you dont get accepted, 4 years of med school, then a couple residency years
Fun fact: in Quebec it's a whole god damn mess cause you can also enter premed from our CEGEP (sorta like a college equivalent) without a bachelor's degree. Also we don't even know what MCAT is lol
(It's all about that cote-R)
Yes! Quebec's system is completly different...I really think we should use the same systeme as the rest of North America
@@reddot8605 then again i do think the cote-R is a better statistical tool to differentiate students than a single standardized test like the MCAT (more data points and less confounding variables)
@@alexanderl.2483 No, if you enter straight from cegep, you have 1 premed, 4 years od med school (last one is considered intern year) and then you need 3-5 years of residency in the specialty of your choice.
@@alexanderl.2483 Oh unless you mean just till the end of medschool then it would take 5 years of uni after 2 years of cegep
@@alexanderl.2483 CEGEP is sorta like the equivalent of 12th and 13th grade but specialised for pre-university training (so you have targeted classes for health sciences for example). Then you'd have a premed year, 2 preclinical, 2 clinical years. So medschool in 5 years technically. Some universities actually have denser programs (with summer classes and such) with a 4 year program. It's a bit shorter but we still have excellent scores on the royal college test so it's probably equivalent.
Edit: also if you come from cegep, premed is often mandatory, whereas if you have particular prior training (e.g. physiotherapy, pharmacy, etc.) you can go straight to preclinical
Thank you for making this video on the flip side, Canada
This was helpful as I am about to enter Canada to study to become a neurosurgeon
Thanks for this content!
Thanks Danny! Great chatting with you the other day
i think it's also important to add that various canadian med schools allow for a 2nd bachelors (2 years of "new" grades + transfer credits for a 2nd bachelors that completely replace your grades from your first bachelors), or will use grad school grades as a "boost" or allow for your lowest year to dropped, or your highest year to be counted twice, or some variation of not actually averaging your grades across 4 years.
Wow amazing PLS do more Canadian medicine videos, comparing residency lengths and requirements has always been a source of confusion for me
Thanks you for helping me understand how to become a doctor in Canada 🇨🇦
Eh
I've never been this early before! Hi KEVIN!!!!
Hi!
@@MedSchoolInsiders YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!!! THIS IS A SIGN FROM GOD TO BECOME A GASTROENTEROLOGIST( I think)
These costs are insane, in the Netherlands tuition for all higher education is set at around 2500 euros per year, and even that is considered by many to be too expensive when you add living costs.
Nice video man!
Great information provided.
Wonderful video designing! Helpful and fun to watch. Hey it be would great to do one on Russian medical universities
Great video! But as a Canadian, I can promise you that we don't say "aboot" lool (at least no CDN that I know)
Not as severely as he did but many areas do say a soft aboot, especially east coast. Living in USA while I did PhD I was called on my out pronunciation more than my about.
Yes! Assuming all Canadians pronounce “about” as “a-boot” is like assuming all people in the U.S. say “y’all”. It’s totally region specific. 🇨🇦
It's aboot time that someone said the truth!
I differentiate accents from Canada vs USA by how Canadians pronounce about (Canadians say "aboot"). In some Canadians, "aboot" is more noticeable while in others it's way less prominent. I must say, the narrator of this video has the most prominent "aboot" that I have ever heard!
PS: I'm an English speaker, but I'm neither American nor Canadian.
Perhaps u can’t hear urself sounding like that? I haven’t met a Canadian yet that say aboot, whether a soft one or hard, it’s ok though bc it’s cute lol
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS (OTHER THAN CANADIAN) BECOMING DOCTOR IN USA, ALL THE STEPS . PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I'm from Europe, considering this option, but sometimes I'm like: Are you crazy?
@@zofiakaminska8239 lol same , we should discuss about it , I have some more information on this. You can add me on Instagram @iamchetanb_
indian?
When is the video about nurse practitioners coming!! Love the content
I maybe won't be a Med Student on both countries but at least I knew now that Medical Education is different all around the world.
Some things gotta point out.
1) not all schools in Canada requires the MCAT.
2) Quebec has a different system. Students go to CEGEP for approximately 2 years and then 5 years of medical school (1 year of pre-med and 4 years of medical school) without needing a bachelor’s degree. Our selection process isn’t based on the MCAT, it’s based CEGEP R score and interviews.
Getting in seems incredibly complicated compared to Denmark where I live. I just applied after high school, and they only looked at high school GPA.
Finally I've been waiting for that video for months
omg finally i have been waiting for a Canadian video! thank you :)
I can relate to the only a few school offer this thing. I’m going to go to college for journalism. In the western half of Canada only the University of Regina offered the program. Now a there’s like nine others.
Can you do US vs UK?
It’s definitely more competitive because Canada only has 17 med schools compared to 180.
It’s awesome that in Canada they look at the whole person
They just make sure you are a high achiever in all aspects of your life. In general you have to have very strong academics too which is why we have higher MCAT scores.
Another major difference is that Canadian medical schools value physician shadowing much less. UBC even looks down on it. Their application guide has this note:
"Note about physician shadowing: In accordance with the guidelines put forward by the College of Physicians and Surgeons of BC, the MD Undergraduate Program discourages individuals not enrolled as students of health professions regulated by the Health Professions Act or Emergency Health Services Act from participating in physician shadowing. Such activities pose significant concerns to patient privacy and confidentiality, and will not result in an increased NAQ score or improved chances of admission."
They don’t look down on it they just value patient privacy versus having high school students shadowing doctors for the summer.
You should do this for more country's
I'm glad to provide some info about being a doctor in Mexico
Great video. Could u make a video explaining how does doctors from other countries can practice in Canada and USA? For example, I'm a graduated doctor in Brazil, what do I have to do work as a doctor in Canada? What is the process for that? I'd appreciate a video about it very much. 🙂
For US USMLE and then residency. For Canada it is almost impossible until you get Permanent Residency card.
You should do a video comparing with the UK
We have a critical shortage of Family Doctors in Canada, we need to lower the criteria just a little. You would still be getting the most amazing candidates.
Can you do a video about med school in Europe (including the differences and irregularities from country to country), since it's vastly different from the US? (p.s. pharmacy student here)
Can you please do a video about studying medical school in a different country and if you can complete your residency in the United States (hi from Mexico)?
Could you make a video of comparing medical school in Europe vs. medical training in the United States?
cool video. Very imformative 😊
This is good. I want to study in France, Italy, Germany, or Ireland.
This video helped a lot but as an international pre-med in Canada, I still have doubts as to whether I should aim for Canadian or American medical schools
Would you be able to do a similar video comparing US and UK paths to medical school and eventually a Doctor
I have my finals in about 10days! ughhh medschool is too stressful i wanna cry lol
Good luck tho, it’s stressful but once you there you gon be living and feeling good 🙏🏾😂
@@taddykabba9100 thanks bud hopefully!
Perhaps you should try an apprenticeship in bricklaying then.
Could you please do a video on Canadians wanting to apply to US medical schools and how to maximize their chances?
Agreed, a video on this would be great. The process is quite different and there are a lot of pitfalls if you don't know what you are doing.
We have a lot of Canadians in our med school in Australia. Seems tough in Canada
This video is so helpful! All your videos are, thanks you. I would like to know if there is any way for a person to obtain a full scholarship into med school?
This is exactly what I need, it has been something I have been pondering about for ages: "should I persue my passion of medicine in the U.S or Canada as a South African cityzen?"
Thank you very much!
In most Canadian schools you must be a PR or citizen to attend
@@amyseaden9069 does having family there help?
@@jaredwatkins8588 not unless it is a parent and you are under 22 or a relative that has no family in Canada and their parents are deceased.
As a American I’m really happy you made this video I really want to move out of the country and become a doctor.
Maybe you can convince Canada not to rely on every other country for vaccines during the next pandemic lol
@@chrisobrien8920 America is not the place people think it is,
I'm French and I don't plan on being a doctor, but that was interesting!
Thanks for the video. Would you please say something about the International Medical Doctors willing to practice in States and Canada?
The 'shortage' that you hear about for physicians in Canada is also largely due to where physicians decide to work. There is a large problem with motivating physicians to work in underserved rural and First Nation reservation areas within Canada. This is evidenced by existing and proposed incentives to get physicians to stay in these locations. This isn't surprising, as I don't imagine most graduates--strong type A individuals--find living in the frigid cold, working less well-compensated family medicine, residing in a small town, and not having much to do with their free time very appealing. You can increase residency spots--and thus medical school seats--with more funding, but I believe that would only marginally address the problem, while more graduates emigrate.
Canadian law schools are also extremely competitive. When I looked at the average AGPA for a matriculant at the University of Alberta, I believe it was about 3.8. In the United States, there are of course very competitive law schools; however, there's also many decent fallback law schools if you're not an exceptional applicant, unlike Canada.
That is the true in Canada we just have a tons of doctors that would want to work in bigger hospital(which is normal) that why we always have that shortage because most of the doctor don't want to serve under privileged area since they are in this mindset of I made I'm prestige mode.
And keep in mind the government of Canada will give you 40k off ur loan to work at a underprivileged area.
In the US the last year of medical school is all about how to extort and maximize profits per each patient whereas in Canada ( and Europe) it's about how to treat and help people. I've lived and worked 15 years in the US and 12 years in the UK. In the US everything and I mean everything is about metrics and targets, whether you're a stockbroker, real estate, dentist, lawyer or doctor....it's all about billable hours or commissions or how many accounts you opened etc etc. It's so sick it's crazy!
Already graduated from Med school. Now time to apply for medical licensing exam
Please make some videos on mccqe, doctor's licensing exam in canada and how can foreigner medical school graduates practice in Canada as a doctor. Please!
I'm Canadian in uni right now with a goal to attend med school afterwards, and I literally did not know that Canadian med schools had no USMLE and the sorts! All the med school related videos I watch on youtube are all American lol
Back when I wanted to go to med school in Canada you got into U of T if you had high grades and were of 2 ethnic connections, or moneied. I chose a nursing degree since I wasn't any of those things. By the end of my 4yrs undergrad there was a shift as McMaster started group interviewing with group problem solving and actively recruiting women students. So now 40 yrs later we now have Queens giving med school entry by race not merit, and Memorial working hard with foreign students but when they graduate the other provinces grab the needed specialists. Like someone else said here Canada is currently whacky under our PM.
good explanation 😀
Can you do a video regarding the length of residency for each specialty
Would love to see Med School vs. Vet school!
Harder to get into vet school
in india med school is for 4.5 yr + 1 yr rotatory internship directly after high school and then 3 yrs of specialization usually with 3 yrs of residency for ur masters
yay jordan is mentioned in this video
I want to go to Yale university hopefully 🙏🏽
You should look up the admission process in Quebec, Canada. It is very different than the rest of Canada.
Yea it’s mainly also depending if you speak French. Not to be rude about Quebec but they aren’t the fondest of anyone other than themselves.
@@taddykabba9100 it's not really about speaking french. Like other provinces and states, they favor local applicants by having more spots for them. So, as the local population is 80% francophone, it is normal to find more francophones in Med schools. The main difference is the grading process, in Quebec there's a standardized score for each class you take throughout your 2-3 years of pre med, so you're constantly evaluated and compared to the rest of the applicants in a standard manner. There's also Casper and MMIs. It's
It is approximately a 8-10 applicants for 1 seat and there's very few spots for applicants outside of Quebec
Those school are gear toward their own considering they heavy critical to other people even if you do speak French like myself.
You need to separate that into English med schools and French schools. McGill operates very similarly to the other med schools across Canada. Most students at McGill aren’t entering after cegep and the entry average is higher.
Finally!
Please do a video on mid-level providers encroachment.
please make a video on getting into residency training for a foreign trained medical graduate . USA vs Canada
US. Very hard to get a residency in Canada and you will only get to pick what is left after Canadian students have selected. Many specialties will not be available.
In DO University in the US does the same training with no prerequisite before starting.
Love your videos, any chance you could do one on becoming a doctor in the UK. Thanks
Yes
Im a. American but should i go to canadian med school?
@@noelle6481 That depends on a LOT of things. If you want to work/live in Canada afterwards, then go to a Canadian school. If you’re not sure where you want to live/work, that takes a lot of time to figure out and requires a lot of research.
There is a surgeon on utube who trained in UK, worked in Canada, now has moved back to UK. He details processes too.
@@noelle6481 its honestly better to stay in the states (as also you would pay a similar rate there becuase international students pay more than domestic)
Loveee love this channel! Do you have a colleague who’s Malaysian?? Curious about the pathway of migration as a doctor ☺️
Very difficult to come to Canada. Would suggest almost any other English speaking country
I am Really Looking Forward To USA For My Medical
Annual tuition in Ontario Medical Schools is $22k + for residents.
Plz make a video on EDAIC (European Diploma in Anesthesia and Intensive Care medicine)
Talk about india too please......
Love your videos btw
My plans next year after I finish my master's is to enter med school (hopefully) then apply to the Canadian military to get my tuition paid for in full and be paid during med school while getting sign up bonus (up to 225k).
There are many cities or the military who will pay in exchange for a longterm time commitment after graduation.
You should do this with other countries
Can you please make a so you want to be oncologist version pleaseeeeeee
Can you do a video regarding going to medical school in the islands? is there an option to do clinical in CANADA or only the states after passing USMLE? options to do residency in Canada if you do clinical in the states
I want to see a UK vs Us since I live in the UK