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“Okay so jay’s a douche, but he has good ideas” 😂 well spoken my friend.
Excellent build and results! Let the war of the [ionic] currents begin. My V2 will need to beat this.
Hi plasma channel
Shouldn't be hard, considering the gap spacing in this implementation.
Can either of you speak to the efficiency, or possible efficiency of moving air in this manner vs the usual way? I'm not sure how that would be measured, CFM wattage?
I was about to say that this was done first by plasma channel.
I love how you guys just mess around though, having a laugh and not taking it seriously.
@@nefariousyawn It's extremely inefficient. Ionic wind devices would be prevalent if this were an energy-efficient method of producing air-flow.
The method of measuring the efficiency would involve a few things -
Velocity of the air at the 'exit' of the system,
Volume of air moved over time,
Wattage of system in normal operating conditions, and a few others.
The biggest problem in such a system is the production of chemical reactions within the air, such as creating ozone and nitrogen compounds. Over time, this will cause the system damage, leading to further loss of efficiency and eventual failure. Even so, the fact that such chemical reactions occur shows that energy is being dumped into changing the air, rather than pushing the air.
Video Idea:
What about a small jet engine (from a RC airplane) shaft connected to an electric generator? Calibrate it to run on ethanol and you´ll have a carbon free electric generator 🙂 - Also keep in mind that tomatoes are disgusting
such a great idea, ngl
This is a scam.
Welp, someone's getting a free 3D Printer.
Ethanol isn't carbon free though. Recall the reaction equation:
C₃H₆O + 4O₂ → 3CO₂ + 3H₂O
@@computertutorials1286 no one is getting a 3d printer. I reached out to integza he emailed me back and this was definitely a scam. I see the scammer deleted its comment on here.
The secret is airflow. The grids and cathodes need to become increasingly smaller in each stage. I thought criss-crossing the grids would be OK, but it results in turbulence. You also need to create an airfoil on the surfaces in order to achieve optimal airflow.
with re. to ducting airflow etc, what do you think of incorporating some magnetic pinch and polarization by coiling one of the leads around the ducting, a single coil at first but later I think they could be tuneable at each stage!
@@ericgriffin6486 I think that inductance would counteract the ionic flow by sort of "squeezing" the fields created by each set of anodes and cathode, but I could be wrong about that. Ducting might be beneficial if you could calculate velocity gain from a narrowing duct and then fine-tune the system in a compromise relative to velocity gain vs loss caused by induced drag. In aerodynamics, there are 4 basic forces: lift, drag, thrust, and gravity. Gravity and lift are not an issue as they will remain constant for the device. Adding surface area within the airflow will create drag and friction, which will slow the flow. Reducing the drag for each stage will optimize the potential flow. If the goal is simply moving air, a duct may not be the right answer. If the goal is directional airflow, it may be the right answer.
@@cwwisk I am sure improvements could be made by synchronizing magnetic spin in the positive and negative fields and by aligning the ion flow in a negatively charged conduit so that as the particles move through the system and pick up charge they are organized into large ionized particles being accelerated down the center of the fluid body and the smaller unionized particles being forced out of the way by the larger excited particles. it seems possible to me that un-ionized particles being dragged along adjacent to the ionized fluid body might be accelerated and heated to more readily accept ionization. Personally, I am equally interested in what could be done with this tech in a closed system and mixed gas. Could a mixed argon-enriched atmosphere be safely energized and contained to offer to gain atmospheric buoyancy?
@@ericgriffin6486 this is definitely worth researching. You are right about ionizing the particles, I guess.
At that point it's just about ways to increase the speed rather than the basic of the wind being produced in the first place
Fabricate a duct to direct the air and then add a Venturi similar to the Dyson to see if you can increase the air speed.
@@agent-33 unfortunately it's a game of probability - they will get someone to bite 😔
I think we should work on building it's outer shell first..
Then we should go over the noiseless jet
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@@apparitiions why so sad??
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Seriously tho did you really just sub bot your comment?
I find it weird that your comment had 4.7k likes and no comments whatsoever. (until i commented)
It’s really sus 🤨
Maybe im thinking too much.
@@geffpeterson2383 yes I am.the bot 🙃🙃
I guess the next step would be a true bladeless jet engine
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I wonder if blowing different types of gases through the fan would affect the Ion wind
Or a pulsejet.
@Fillip sir. Ramjet doesn't use Ionic wind tho
Ion purpulsiom
In order to improve your "bladeless fan" you should space the anode unequally from the cathode. the more you add a stage the more you need to space the anode from the cathode. it make sense because the particles are accelerate at every stage so at every stage they come in with an higher velocity. The same princip is used in the cern accelerator.
I hope this will help
Sorry for the possible grammar mistakes I'm not English
could you perhaps eleborate here, i am trying to build my self a ion thruster as well
@@shankardivate1041-- You want later stages to have faster ions, so they need to be spaced further apart. Same idea as a coilgun.
I love this guys goofiness, the outfit, the way he acts and speaks but it’s still in a way that teaches you stuff. Awesome channel (: stay true to yourself and keep doing what you love!
Yup. Great teacher. With his goofy outfit he is teaching you how to die while working in your shop. How "goofy" will it be when his tie gets caught in the table saw blade? At least his death will be fairly quick assuming he face plants into the blade. If his face misses the blade his death will come in the form of strangulation. He could also get the tie stuck in the drill press thus avoiding the saw blade face plant and not avoiding the strangulation. What fun!
One thing to probably note is that this will generate a lot of Ozone while it's running, probably best to continue your experiments with a fan in the window to circulate air. This is the same principle in which old air purifiers work.
Ozone is good unless you're in an enclosed area. It's the gamma rays that are a health hazard. Edit: don't breathe ozone in concentration. It's easy to smell.
@@glennboyd939 I recommend you follow that epa link and update your post
@@glennboyd939 This by definition can't produce gamma rays as there are no decaying atoms, even x-rays aren't a concern since there's simply too much air in the way for the electrons to reach the speeds required to be able to produce x-rays
@@lawabidingcitizen5153 any electric arc will produce gamma rays.
@@glennboyd939 ozone is bad even in an unenclosed area. It's incredibly toxic
Would be interesting to see how it performs when all stages are encapsulated in a tube (so you do not loose any air flow to the sides).
Another idea would be to rotate every second stage by 90° to get more even static pressure across the surface area of the outlet.
In addition you could put a nozzle at the end of the outlet to increase air speed.
This is what i was thinking as well, also maybe flared on the intake like a big funnel with the workings in the middle.
now youre thinking
I'd be interested to put an ozone sensor at the output to make sure it's not creating o3 from o2.
@@Craigelz corona discharge will definitely generate o3, thats how most o3 generators work
if it was you could probably smell it right off. I may be wrong, just speaking from what I know about my ozone machine...
Back in the 1970s I used a 10,000 volt oil furnace transformer. To make something like that. Glass jar wrapped in 600 volt wire. Inside of jar covered with aluminum foil. You could feel the wind at the top of the jar opening. Still have the transformer. Will have to try your setup. Great video.
Post a video of the results.
I would like to see your take on the ionic levitator from that video. Acoustic levitation also seems pretty cool where small objects can be lifted only by the power if sound waves. Keep up the good work!
agreed
Maybe if you used grids in descending diameter, inside a cone like shell open on both ends. This might be enough to make use of the Venturi Effect to accelerate your airflow.
nope. the grids should remain the same size or you overload the system and burn out things. the waste of this design is tragic to an embarrassing degree
@@mouserr Do you have a nice video demonstrating your hypothesis?
Yeah, grids being the same size has nothing to do with burning out things...
CRTs have had high voltage across irregularly sized grids for literally a century with zero problems.
Any sort of amplifier tube ALSO has irregularly sized grids. If you're concerned about overcurrent, that's entirely misplaced since HV grids, especially in just open air, allow very low current flow.
I was going to suggest this very same concept.👍🏻
Technically, it is not only a bladeless fan but also a particle accelerator. That would be an interesting development :)
Technically, a regular fan is a particle accelerator.
@@jacobhargiss3839 Technically, @Integza is also a particle accelerator.
@@jacobhargiss3839 a particle accelerator has to use electric fields, no wait, damit
and an ozone generator too
Love these guys who do all their shop work without ever putting on safety goggles.
Five years from now there are going to be a lot of CZcamsrs wearing eye-patches.
Yeah, it's really dumb not to use basic safety gear.
And the loose necktie...
I use vacuum pumps/chambers a lot and using this type of air flow is a way of pulling an even stronger vacuum. Pushes air molecules towards the output to be removed.
Several tips to improve the fan:
1. Use a high grain sandpaper instead of razor. It will create more "sharpy" surface on the wires and should improve the performance by 10-20%
2. Use aerodynamics optimized design for enclosure. First easy way to do this - close the sides of your fan. Secondly, you can use wing-like curved casing (like in duct fans) on the side where air gets in - it will create low pressure zones and will help to suck air in more easily.
With all this tweaks you'll go beyond 20m/s for sure.
P.S. Also, instead of rods, you can just use one drop shaped smooth copper piece to improve air flow. Or just make the rods drop shaped.
Possibly. This "fan" has multiple drive stages. It could be possible to take more advantage of the Bernoulli principle to pull more air in for each stage. But it's really a balance of velocity vs. volume.
You wouldnt really want to encolse this. Since each stage adds in surounding air, cutting that supply off would make a serious bottle neck.
#2 would be.... Venturi effect, no?
I'm also curious if there is some fun to be had by lighting a flame near the input, as this would pre-ionise the air somewhat, which may help the high voltage to pull the air - although it might do nothing, or cause arcing.
If not a flame, then some other way of mildly ionising the air.
...I think a loop of wire works pretty well. The original Ionic Levitator uses a loop of wire that does not interfere with the airflow.
It's a great idea. Especially if you want to slowly dissolve what the fan is pointed at. Mind the ozone, Integza!
👍😄
@Integza like a few people have mentioned here, ozone generation is a real concern here. You would have noticed a strange electrical smell while this operated? That is ozone and it occurs naturally in low levels, however breathing high levels is definitely bad for your health.
This was my first thought too ... nice poisonous gas generator! 🤣
But cool science project.
Just be careful with high voltages and toxic gases.
Yeah, I have a commercial version of this, whose purpose is not really to generate wind but to catch fine dust in the air. It is placed close to my FFF 3D printer in order to catch the nasty burnt stuff that results from the printing process, and it is actually pretty good at that. But what it is best at, is generating ozone. In the large room where the printer is, this is not really a concern because I also avoid being near the printer for long while it is operating. But leaving this device turned on in a small room for an extended time is a bad idea, unless you want to completely nuke all the fungal spores.
Health issues aside, it's worth mentioning that ozone interacts with organic compounds. So as well as fungal spores and lung tissue, it's also petroleum based products like some plastics and particularly rubber. Constant exposure to ozone will gradually brake down these compounds until they eventually fail. Periodic use of ozone generators is generally acceptable as the gas will mostly interact with the organic compounds on the surface and not so much parts themselves.
On a whim, I decided to ask GPT4 if it had some ideas for optimising the design. These are some of the suggestions that seemed to have some merit:
Pulsed operation: Operating the thruster in a pulsed mode, rather than continuous mode, can help reduce energy losses. By applying high voltage in short bursts, it is possible to generate strong ion acceleration without creating excessive plasma or initiating unwanted chemical reactions.
Optimize dielectric barrier: The dielectric barrier plays an essential role in preventing direct electrical discharge between the electrodes. By optimizing the properties of the dielectric barrier, such as its thickness, permittivity, and breakdown strength, it is possible to minimize energy losses due to plasma generation and chemical reactions.
Use of magnetic fields: Incorporating magnetic fields can help guide and confine the ions more effectively, reducing the likelihood of unwanted plasma generation and chemical reactions. This can be achieved by using permanent magnets or electromagnets in the thruster design.
Active cooling: Implementing an active cooling system can help maintain optimal operating temperatures for the thruster, reducing the chances of unwanted plasma generation and chemical reactions. This may involve the use of heat sinks, heat pipes, or other cooling methods to dissipate excess heat generated during the thruster's operation.
You'll definitely have to turn this concept into a full fan that you could use all the time, that'll be awesome to see
Did you see all the plasma being formed on the grid when the lights were turned down? That plasma would be reacting with the 02 (oxygen) in the air to create o3 (ozone). Not something you want to breathe in every day as ozone is poisonous to your lung tissue and at elevated concentrations for prolonged periods of time can cause permanent damage. It's great at eliminating odors though so would be great to freshen up a car interior.
Future Video Idea! 🎉 We want a 3D printed RC vehicle that can travel by air, land and water! 😁
Yes
Biggest fan here, out of every dangerous episode, nothing makes me more nervous than that tie so close to power tools, stay safe my tuga friend!! Keep inspiring the next generation and entertaining us all 😊
Replace the tie with a bow tie.
Me too!!!! Lol
@@8546Ken Or a security tie that can't strangle you, security guards wear those.
@@gayusschwulius8490 Not about strangling. If that tie hit that table saw, his head could be pulled right down into the blade. Absolute stupidity to wear it while using a table saw.
@@larrybud Yes, of course, I only wanted to say why security guards wear security ties.
Love the videos, I would love to see a fully FDM printed project or a tomato smasher that uses magnets.
It would be interesting to see what different blade shapes do on a fan or if you used actual airfoils for the blades.
IDEA#1: Instead of the thin wire going straight across, wrap the thin wire in a coil around a thin insulator about the thickness of a toothpick. (basically replace each thin wire with a coil of thin wire - to get more surface area). score the coils across with a sharp blade like you did for the wires on opposite sides perpendicular to the the plane of ionic motion and score it the direction of motion (don't score the back). This will cause the pointy fields to pull in more ions of air than a single wire (kind of like a dyson fan) to amplify the effect (for the positive ions). Basically, you will play around with the laminar flow.
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@Alex Smith good point
Future video idea:
Improvements to the generator:
1. Use iron shavings on the wires to increase surface area
2. Use springs instead of straight wire
3. Make a loop of ionic generators so they cascade in such a way to get super high speed (ie infinite stages like a resonator)
Incandescent light bulbs used a "coiled coil" for their element wire. That is, you coil wire like a spring, to create a very long floppy spring. Then you take that long spring, and put IT around a rod to make it coiled again. A coiled coil. It's a way of getting lots of length of wire into a small space, useful in light bulbs where the hot wire makes the light. Man, can you believe those were the light bulbs the entire WORLD used up until the 1990s? So wasteful, heating tungsten all over the place! Now it's all 5 watt LEDs instead of 60 watt hot wires!
The colour rendition is crap, tungsten's was very good. But still, LEDs cost almost nothing to run, it was worth it.
I just noticed that you are using cylinders as the ground terminals for the bladeless fan, and I think that changing the shape to aerofoils actually might increase the flow speed, thereby giving the air more energy when it separates from the ground.
Sure, it would complicate building, but the improvements probably could be worth it.
bro this is only legit my 2nd video and i have enjoyed both, i applaud as I really wanna take on engineering and want to give it a really bright image for motivation, again I applaud you, Sir Integza
Question: How much power did this bladeless fan use? This is just to compare efficiency of a standard fan or "bladeless" fan. Would be interesting.
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You can build a wind tunnel to use along with your bladeless fan. Wind tunnels rely on laminar flow to work properly, and this thing looks like it can generate a good laminar flow. It would be a cool integration of two projects. Nice work!
Yeah except it'd spit lightning everywhere and toast any electronics nearby. Probably a great big fan and some tubes is still the best way to get laminar airflow.
@@greenaum Would using some more plastic as a tube not avoid this?
@@greenaum EMPs that big of a problem? Maybe shielding?
Love it!
As has already been mentioned, careful with the tie around spinning tools 😉👍🏻
I was relieved to discover you did these experiments with the garage door open.
...also every great scientist needs a Clara in their life for encouragement and inspiration 😉
The round Pipes actually introduce a lot of drag. Try to give them an airfoil design. The biggest amount of air resistance comes from the turbulence behind the tubes, that's why in the original image they are only round on one side and pointed in the other.
It would be interesting to see how well the ionic bladless fan would work as the driver for the oval shaped diffuser on the Dyson "bladeless" fan.
@Duck I don't believe this would produce enough ozone for it to be dangerous
I really liked it and I will explore this research to use in other projects. Very cool congratulations!!!!
Great video!
Here is a suggestion for a future one:
Build an electric harmonica, using the reed plate of a harmonica as one of the electrodes of your bladeless fan.
I always thought it would be really cool to build one of these into a Tesla valve. Imagine the internal "teardrop"-like shapes as the high-voltage elements, either alternating positive/negative, or having the "points" of the main structure as the positive element, and the "teardrops" as the negative elements. I've actually had the idea in my head for while. Though I'm not *sure* when it first came to me, but I got really excited when I saw your video, because I think you'd be able to pull it off. You'd be the PERFECT rogue engineer for the job! I know how unlikely you'd settle on my idea for development, but how cool would it be if you DID?! At any rate, I simply had to share my idea, to put it out in the world. Maybe it will inspire someone else, even if not yourself. Cheers, and keep up the great work! Your projects and videos just keep getting better!
I remember Mythbusters making an ionic lifter ages ago when doing myths around levitation, and they mentioned the ionization of air creates ozone, which apparently isn't good for you to breathe, so try to be careful with using that thruster as a "bladeless fan".
You could use smaller versions of this fan to create a bladeless drone! That would be so cool and would impress Clara for sure!
Ionic wind is not that powerful tho
I have made this same suggestion at least two times in the past. I agree good project idea. Good luck.
@@jishan6992 it can be that powerful, but it requires more power. US Air Force did some experimentation in the 60's, got a system to work, but it required a small nuclear reactor to generate sufficient thrust :P
@@giin97 my point still stands then? By making it powerful enough it clearly becomes non-practical
THIS!!!! I would love to see this.
you can use iridium spark plug tip to increase ions, higher voltage always increase air speed, coanda effect also helps as in dyson fan
Try connecting the wire grid with the tubes of the stage before it. At the moment you are creating a backwards wind between stages. You increased the distance between the stages wich reduce it but you could stack them back to back if there is no voltage potential between the stages
I think it is better to use ground/neutral and positive charges. Neutral makes the molecules, well, neutral. And positive can remove electrons, making it charged. Wich is then reppelled by the wire with charged it. A neutral molecule has no 'sense' of electric fields.
And with this setup you get P-N-P-N-etc. So there need to be spacing since each P pushes charge in either direction. But further distances have weaker fields, so having P-N-[space]-P-N-[space]-etc. Makes wind go one way. The larger the space, the more effective, but it also becomes bulkier.
So if I had to guess, an alternating positive and negative with a larger spacing 2 or 4× the size of the smaller one seems good. But the spacing ratio is just a guess.
@@suddeneevee9441 Buttered side down is right. Your suggestion is basically the same configuration as before.
If he just grounds them where would he put the negative lead from his power supply? Also to "ground". That's the same setup.
@@JasonMitchellofcompsci The idea is that the negative of the supply is ground/neutral. So the charge at the negative of the supply is at 0V, while the positive is at a positive voltage. Ground isn't carrying any current, it is just there to keep the negative side neutral.
@@suddeneevee9441 or you could say that the positive lead is ground/neutral at 0v and the negative is at a large negative potential, -V lmfao. Physically identical. The only thing of importance here is the electric field produced by the potential difference.
Even better, combine the collector for one stage and emitter for the next into a single streamlined tube with sharp trailing edge. Perhaps serrated from the cutter on the aluminum foil box :) Alternate polarity on each stage so you don't get any reverse wind.
When I saw you take the fly back transformer off the motherboard, all I could feel was a deep sense of pride. I am so proud of your growth Integza. You have taken the art of tomato hating to a whole new level. Keep learning and stay safe.
How this could be used in real world applications would be a video I would love to see! Truly amazing technology 👍💯
Try enclosing the assembly so you make a wind tunnel type thing with an inlet and outlet. In the inlet try adding a bell mouth to improve inlet flow and reduce drag.
Real engineering has a fantastic video about a MIT team that powered a tiny plane using something very similar, so you could potentially track down a paper or two on the concepts. Also ion engines are very similar and fairly common in the space industry, so there is likely plenty of papers available on those too. Good work as always!
I wonder what effect (if any) rotating every other set of wire and tubes by 90 degrees would have? Or maybe even a gradual rotation throughout the stack. Would be interesting to see if you could create a vortex...
It would be really interesting to see how powerful or efficient you can make this concept. For how simple the concept is, there’s surprisingly little information on this online.
Got me thinking about the number of scratches on the wires. There’s a fine line between polishing and scratching. If you hit it with a really course scotch-bite pad to get thousands of tiny microscopic scratches would that do anything or if the discharge nodes have to have a bigger surface area than that. If the size does matter, maybe a stranded wire through a dowel where you fray the ends of the wire and run it on slow could be a way to get slightly bigger scratches.
For air handling, you'll want to create a duct for the air to travel through with minimal losses, i.e. put the contraption in a tube. You have a lot of interaction with the outside air via the sides right now. Plus you can drastically increase the air speed by putting a simple nozzle at the end of the stack.
THANK YOU. maybe even passive air intake along the way ? maybe chamfered air intake too. thinking of maybe even .... nozzle and butane injection for afterburner ? make this a fuel "efficient" "jet/rocket" engine of some sort ?? haha
Very cool concept and great results! You should try doing a smoke test with your bladeless fan, I think it would look interesting!
Great idea. He could also submit it to the fan showdown!
Plasma is also usefull for cleaning air of very small particules as fumes and dust.
smoketest like in software development or smoketest as in aerodynamics reasearch? please be the second one
@@adriand00 smoke test like getting a smoke machine and blowing some smoke through it. This makes the airflow visible.
The vaporizer from that hipster friend we all have will do fine too.
Is smoke machine smoke in any way flammable? Because if anything could set it on fire, it'd be this rig
I haven't tried this, but you'd probably get better results if you switch to an ultra thin tungsten filament.
Cut them into strips, then stand them up like hairs in an array. You may have to coat the wire in lacquer or varnish before cutting to only get the arc coming out the tips.
FYI: That noise you're hearing with the cheap HV drivers is their switching noise. It's within audible frequencies. You can hear the flyback driver switching/being switched too, but it's at a higher frequency.
Can you make a wind tunnel? So that in the future you can see how your projects' aereodynamic behave
Is it possible ? This is my video idea
Hope to see more videos from you
Love y Integza
I’m happy to see someone finally make this. This was in my journal for the longest time.
I would like to see what happens if you swap the cylindrical tubs for ones that have an air foil shape. It would also be cool to see if you could increase velocity by adding a cowling around the intake and inclosing the rest. Maybe add some holes to the enclosed part to allow the Venturi effect to pull more air in.
About the flyback transformer from the TV, it has a built in rectifier diode, because CRTs work with DC also. They should put out around 25 - 30 kV DC.
From a safety standpoint, wearing a tie while doing woodwork (especially with any rotating saw) could end in catastrophe. One of the few lessons I remember from high school.
Design a wind turbine having Tubercles on the leading edge of it's blades. It has greater efficiency than simple blade turbines...
Use it in your RDE to increase air flow rate
Also place the the grids at some angle to rotate the air flow or genrating vortex which will help your RDE to gain momentum
Brutal, como sempre! Continua o excelente trabalho.
Video idea: make a turbocharged camp fire
I saw your idea and I wish it had more likes lol
For a future video: it would be interesting to see if you can get the power to weight ratio to a point where you could control multiple fans individually and make an "ion copter"
Well... Your craft would have to be incredibly light. I suspect it could probably be optimized to a point of being able to lift some control electronics, but getting the power supply off the ground I'm pretty doubtful of.
Not going to happen, a few milligrams of thrust would be difficult to achieve.
You’ll never achieve the needed thrust to weight ratio for atmospheric flight. But ion drives could be applicable for space flight.
@@markdarragh6620 Ion drives are used a lot in space flight, actually.
not really possible, it was only done in a plane and it was tiny and made out of wood
Amazing Video ;) tryied it by my selfe and it works!!! thank you so much!
I'm late to this comment section, but it seems like what you mainly need are air guides. That's one of the things that the dyson products typically do well and you can do easily with a 3d printer or just paper(probably wanna line it with that aluminum insulating tape in this case, so it doesn't catch fire).
I think the best improvement for the Ionic Bladeless Fan would be to make it a Ducted Bladeless fan so that the Air stream would be confined and Accelerated by each stage without loss or turbulence from the sides. simply enclosing it in a clear tube would help, and still let you see what's happening inside. making a tube that exactly matches the inner diameter of the printed frames in sections and then sealing it all together would be even better
Even better it could be integrated into one of the "bladeless fans" to make use of the phenomenon they use.
Every build of ionic thrusters I have seen is open. I think overall the stages aren't strong enough. The first stage couldn't push enough air to feed the next and so on starving the thruster without being able to pull air in from the sides on each stage.
@@xXShadDragXx that was the issue I had a well.
@@PlasmaChannelAn interesting experiment would be to vary the size of the stages to prevent starving the later stages
This is really interesting! I have so many questions;
1. How does the power consumption fair against a regular fan with similar power?
2. Is the air it produces warmer than the ambient room temperature?
3. What’s the noise level compared to similar regular fan?
Also, could the same concept be used to make a bladed motorless fan?
Great work as always!
Answer to number 2 - it's cooler, due to 'electrostatic cooling'.
It's also toxic due to the ozone it produces. They use ozone generators like this to sterilize rooms.
Take a look at how the Dyson fan is configured. Especially the air flow.
You can also check the design principles of a scram jet.
This is as a sick project! I love this channel!
Integza, you are essentially the sole content creator that has gotten me into my passion of engines as a whole! Thank you!
Also
Video Idea: I would love to see you make a thermo acoustic engine! It seems right in your alleyway.
@Dev 2022 Hi!
Build idea: make a jet engine using household items. You could use HHO as fuel. A HHO generator is pretty easy to make with stuff found in a kitchen
an electrolysis compressor built into the stock of a pellet gun. no more pumping
You are the future winner i think 🤔
Safety idea: dont store or send the oxygen and hydrogen through the same duct/tank
I want an gasoline engine to run almost forever with hydrogen.
@@sigmamale4147 with my experience having a flashback arrester should help a lot but ya probably not the best idea to have them mixed
Reminds me of the 'Ionic Breeze' bladeless fan and air purifier that was put out by Sharper Image back in the early 2ks.
@OfficialIntegza Oh thank you for the scam! It's just what I wanted to start out the new year. I'll be sure to dox myself to you soon.
My sons and I have a few ideas.
- how do sling rockets work can we apply that knowledge to something around our house?
- how can you combine two engines on one vehicle?
- can you make a water rocket that would carry a human?
I'm sure many people have said this before, but you should consider wearing eye protection when working with machining equipment. I used to work at a brewery and when pressing bottlecaps on bottles with a press, a shard of glass or metal flew off, bounced off the table and flew right underneath the rim of my eyeglasses and into my eye. I got lucky and didn't get any permanent damage, but after that I've always worn protective glasses in those situations. Sure, could have flown under that too, but it protects from a lot! Anyway, GREAT video! ❤️
Wearing a tie is also a good way to get your head pulled rapidly towards the various sharp spinning things. Is it worth it just for the sake of fashion? If you really must wear a tie then please consider using a tie clip.
Please contact integza there is a scammer in the comments. Look for comments with just one or two replies. It says you win a 3d printer
You could try to make an RC airplane with a motor type from all the ones you have made so far. Let's see a practical application of a motor
Now this is going back on the idea of bladeless but I wonder if you could input a compressor into the current design to drive your (+) positive electrodes in a rotating fashion and see if more thrust is obtainable
I have been working on a similar idea for a while haha its pretty cool how much you can move the air purely with electricity
Definitely should do a collaboration with electroboom to test the "child safety" characteristics of the fan design.
yeah
@@retromodernart4426dont say that! He is super smart and he stages the blunders to teach people in a fun way what not to do with electronics he seems dumb on camera but in rl he is smart and knows what he is doing
@@309electronics5 Yeah, that comment was not nice, I deleted it, thanks for pointing that out.
Hello Integza! I'm only 12 but I really like all your experiments! To win a 3D printer sounds great and could help me to make my own projects like you do. I have no influence on it, but I've got an idea for your next video. Can you make a plasma popper? You could shoot to your hated tomatoes ;-) It looks fantastic, especially in the dark and slow motion, and make a lot of fun. If you really build one, I'm shure that your video would help me to build my own small plasma popper. Have a nice day! I can't wait for your next video!😃👍
you should definitely build a centrifugal type “fanless fan”
with the arrangement of the anodes and cathodes in a circle. these with an increasing angle of inclination with respect to the horizontal
this should create a faster wind
that was awesome!!
You may want to use a crosscut sled on the tablesaw to cut longer pieces. A riving knife on the blade helps, but if the angle of the wood comes off at all it can fling the wood back at you and pull your fingers toward the blade. Love your videos ❤
Yea, one little twist and those fingers are gone. Careful man.
Absolutely, kickback is no joke. I still have a cuboid-shaped scar on my abdomen from tablesaw kickback
And maybe ditch the tie - I wants to wrap itself up in the machinery and pull your head into the blade.
This is a Einhell table saw... it's basically a noname brand used by hardware stores to sell to people who need a tool that lasts about one project....It's not a real tool you would want to buy spare parts or modules for. If you buy an other table saw blade chances are the table saw blade would outlast the livetime of the Einhell tablesaw.
@@TremereTT Even still, it's incredibly easy to make a crosscut sled or slide from scraps. Even a cheap tool can be dangerous, it doesn't take a lot of power to hurt a person.
Well since you want more flow speed what you could do is actually copy the Dyson fan, use the ionic thrusters as the base of the fan and point them up, and use a round diffuser to make use of bernoullis principle and have faster flow (a flow that passes through a lattice will create a low pressure area and will moce faster), also this way you can control hhe flow of air and increase the efficiency of the fan. Another way to imrove this setup is also to instead of using strings that go across to use a flat spiral of wire, like the shape of a conduction heater, and use perhaps smaller tubes to achive more surface area and to pregent the tubes from slowing down the air due to drag.
Add a cowl to the stage to up the efficiency, make the bars teardrop shaped (possibly not easy) to enhance air flow (round tubes are almost the worst shape for air flow) and experiment telescopic or studded bar as stage separator to allow the stages and grid depth to be adjusted and optimized.
Its possible that different stages would work better with different gaps
Definitely need to make a hover board. Can even make a series out of the idea. Such as what type of engine/fan makes for the most efficient hover board. jet engine? ionic fan? Or maybe even a combination there of.
If it makes wind it also produces thrust. Sounds like you have to make TIE fighter now!
I believe this technology can produce thrust even without the wind component. Ionic propulsion I believe it's called
here’s an idea, try changing the distance from the two “dishes” and see how that effect performance. in addition to that try getting more voltage through it. if possible I’d also try different size wires and tubes, maybe using tin foil would work better instead of the tubing for sets in series. love the videos man, keep it up!
Enclose the blades on a tube, narrow the final output to increase pressure, mount the whole thing on a model boat and it makes a nice bladeless swamp buggy.
I wanna see if you compress the air stream, if it can turn a turbine blade attached to an alternator to help with supplying power. Maybe use it on an RC plane even?
I played a lot with the 'Lifters' when I was young and even killed one TV. On your drawing you showed that the second part should be a bit round but you took very thick tubes. I would recommend the Idea from the 'Lifter' and use something that is round at the beginning and then flat so you dont have that much resistance on the airflow. The Aluminium Foil (or copper plates) have to be bent over a round surface and then straight down. That will increase the pull on the plasma. You could even increase the effect when you use a increasing voltage on each stage (and a larger gap) because the wind on the second stage is already accelerated. When you have enough stages you will end up with someting like an linear accelerater.
You could rrange the stages in a circle and put them in an impeller casing (make the air go in a circle so it can go through more stages before exiting the fan). You could also used different sizes of tubes to see which works best (thinner tubes might mean better aerodynamics but i dont quite know the tradeoffs). You could also stick it in a cylinder, works for every fan so far. (Also probably helps with electric isolation)
Integza is so good a at 3d printing
Great video!
The old t.v. part out sure brought back memories.
I once used an old t.v. fly back attached to my car bumper, which was Nickel back then, to persuade some neighbourhood dog to go find another place to do his morning elimination. I judged the success of my idea by the speed of his retreat. It also worked as a theft deterent.
The problem I found with high voltage ionic generation is the gases created dissolved some important things like rubber and skin and interfered with the Saturday night hockey game on the t.v..
At the time I did not know that at some concentration of hydrogen the air in the immediate vicinity will self combust and remove windows and doors with little effort.
Also, I learned that the O zone is more than just a place between the N zone and the P zone.
So try not to leave things on and if you do send someone to shut them off for you.
Thanks for all the great info.
Stan the power man.
Congratulations. These lifters were one of my early passions. 🤩
I really wish they weren't subject to some of the physical limitations with higher energies and sizes. Otherwise these would be amazing in aircraft.
If you're going to keep working on this, there's all kinds of room for improvement in your design. Surface along your flow channel is one of the critical factors you need to optimize in the absorption. Time is the critical absorption Factor not space.
If you want optimized emission grids, I recommend looking at something called hardware cloth. It's a pre-woven wire mesh that will give you structure as well as increased emission surface. I also recommend hitting it with a coarse grit sandpaper. It's a lot less work than the razor but does the same thing
meh id expect better advice from someone who claims to have a passion for these things
If your high voltage generators have isolated outputs you might be able to combine anode and cathode of adjacent stages. The resulting electrode should combine the shape of your previous anode/cathode, sort of like a teardrop or airfoil shape (point/line on one side and cylindrical on the other).
*Dear @Integza - a few ideas to consider...* Use 'teardrop' shaped tubes, for better aerodynamics. They are available ready-made, for use on things like model airplanes. Also try alternating the orientation of the wires and tubes, and varying the voltage applied to each stage to get more speed. (To get a more gradual acceleration of the air.) Alternatively, vary the wire-to-tube distance. Finally, for maximum velocity, make the entire array taper in diameter and put it inside a tapering tube.
I would suggest that you use a flat wire with a sharpened edge mounted horizontally and in direct line with the tubes. I believe this would increase the ionic reaction. GOOD LUCK! I enjoy you channel greatly.
You should try making a internal combustion engine with multiple pistons and attach it to a vehicle of some kind
Hey Integza, I love your videos and I have a suggestion, I was doing a bit of research and found a potentially cool jet engine project that
maybe you could try out, it's called the Pratt and Whitney General Electric GE90. A quick Googling of the name should take you to a nice
diagram of it. I thought this jet engine would be cool because there are 2 combustion chambers, and I thought that was a cool concept to
power a turbine with, maybe by angling each chamber at say, 45 degrees to drive a turbine delivering more power! Maybe this could be done
with even more than just 2 combustion engines!? :D
Okay!!!!! In allllllll of the videos you have created!!! That Ive watched I think this is the cooooolest on all of them! Its really mind blowing that electricity can move molecules of the air this is like combination of physics and chemistry!! Im going to share this to my Electricity and magnitism professor!!! I Love It!!!! Thank you for creating this video!!! I think tomatoes are delicious!!! 😎😎😎
darn your Christmas music!
Thanksgiving forever!🔥💯