FAKE OR FORTUNE SE03E01 THOMAS GAINSBROUGH
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- čas přidán 30. 08. 2018
- A handsome portrait of Joseph Gape, mayor of St Albans in the 18th century, languishes in a backroom of the city's museum. The identity of the artist who painted it is unknown - but Bendor thinks it is a Gainsborough that dates back to his days as Britain's foremost high society portrait painter. The team thinks there are telling signs in the way the man is dressed and the unusual shape of the frame - but they'll need to convince the world's leading Gainsborough expert.
An even tougher challenge is posed by Imaginary Landscape, held in London's Courtauld Institute. Philip thinks it is also an important lost work - a rare, late Gainsborough landscape, painted when the artist was experimenting with dreamlike scenes. But would Gainsborough really have executed it on paper rather than canvas, and why is conservationist Aviva Burnstock troubled by a distinctive blue pigment?
Philip made his name in the art world with his Gainsborough discoveries and his reputation is on the line as decision time looms. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I've watched several episodes where the authentication experts have been secrative and unhelpful. What a difference with Hugh Belsey. Appeared in the program was helpful and approachable, why can't all the experts be like him instead of being so stuck up and full of their own importance.
The art world is so snobby and full of dirty politics.
Haha, Fiona eating the broccoli was hilarious, and Philip's reaction to it was the cherry on top! They are both such enjoyable hosts.
Best series I've ever seen.
Agreed 👍
Oh Fiona 😁😁😁 I roared with laughter at u eating the broccoli 🥦 lovely moment 🥰😍💖
OMG Fiona... To a distraught Phil......"Well sorry about your dodgy landscape." LOL!!!!
If the BBC did more programmes like this I'd happily pay the license fee without complaint
fee so u need to pay for TV?
@@polgara1573 no pay for the BBC channels, every other channel gets paid through adverts not by the taxpayer. The BBC takes peoples mo ney for channels and it's mostly rubbish but you dont have a choice you have to pay it if you have a TV connected to an aerial for signal.
@@micbite we dont pay here except for streaming services we have over 20 free channels
@@polgara1573 its corruption that's embedded in the British system. Our government endorses it as law and prosecutes you for not paying it. It's out dated but it's like our country
@@micbite back in the early part of the 20th cent it was the same here i remember having to go buy a TV lisence for mum as a kid but we dont need to anymore
The intellectual knowledge & expertise of all the expert’s & scientists is awe inspiring!! I super appreciate seeing how all these experts collaborate, think, investigate, hypothesize, problem solving, & come to their conclusions!! This series is phenomenal in so many ways! The historical record keeping is mind blowing!! What a great educational & entertaining show!!
Fantastic series!, keep them coming, sir. Bravo.
indeed. Proper television
There are so many more paintings in museum basements than on their walls, such a pity when sometimes as in the Louvre you can see some very bad pictures hanging!
So does in LACMA. Where so called “modern art” exhibits rather depressing, “tools of torture” and destruction”, horror movies like objects. They say it is appreciated for it’s “truthfulness” on reflection of reality. Not many interested in visiting them again, what a waste of public’s resources.
Gainsborough was penniless when he married his rich wife. She supported him so that he could become an artist. Increasingly he moved up the social ladder thru' her. As the years went by, he spent less time at home with his wife and more time in London etc...having ' a good time'. His wife resented being left at home with the children whilst he gadded about. No doubt this might have been a reason his correspondence etc was destroyed when he died.
Jealousy.
Not sure I can blame her.
Not unique. When Sir Richard Burton - not that one, this was the translator of the 1001 ,Nights and the search for the source of the Nile - died, his prudish and bigoted wife destroyed all his records within hours.
@@alecblunden8615 Good , these "great" "men" were cads, players, and users. It tells you something that those are whom the Patriarchy rewards and holds up as "heroes". Women do the meaningful important actual creation of giving life/love etc are forgotten, ignored, degraded and insulted.
What’s the point in being rich and famous if you can’t leave your wife at home with the kids while you play chicken with the clap.
Such in depth/ detailed study of what the “ fingerprint of an artist is.🖌
I just looked up this guy Philip Mould. For being a man with just a bachelor's degree, I'm impressed. He is listed as a contributor to an endless list philanthropic organizations. Don't get me wrong. A bachelor's is more than I have and it's nothing to sneeze at. No degree is. Ever. But he has the a resume I'm accostomed to seeing from someone with a doctorate, Ph.D, etc. I guess when you do what u love, the sky is the limit.
accustomed. just saying,
Lots of degrees aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
Hello Sheila, I know many people who have great skill in their chosen fields through hard work, flexibility and intelligence. They have not necessarily pursued Tertiary qualifications, but are life-long Learners. University has the advantage of teaching Critical Thinking apart from building knowledge. Philip Mould appears rather successful despite his Tertiary encumberance.
Sheila Macpherson experience is worth more than a paper stating you’ve spent a few years at college.
Just the fact that his gallery is in Pall Mall, I’m not surprised. He’s certainly done very well for himself.
Did they say the BBC helped create the 'Your Paintings' website of all publicly owned paintings? That's an amazing resource to give to the people of the UK. It means that amateur sleuths can help identify the artists & subjects just as the Fake or Fortune crew have done. All kinds of paintings belonging to the British people could be identified. That's effing brilliant!
johnnydtractive this is why I still think the tv licence is important. Ok don’t see other tv stations doing anything even remotely like that.
The Website is now locked down. No more access to any information. Bummer.
@@MichaelandCathy1999 cuy.t
Socialist democracies do great things for their people. I once lived in the UK……helped me to see the utter greed….and self centered nature of Americans failed shamocracy
i thought the same. as an aritist i kind of want my art on there was well
This is an amazing series...
A wonderful series let's have more
These programs have given me a new respect for art. I trained as a scientist so art wasn’t part of my upbringing. I find this all so fascinating, art & science. Thanks so much!
His genius is in his eye and incredible memory
I forgot I had already made a comment and so true. They are PERFECT together!! I miss the "eye roll" sometimes Fiona is a riot. And Philip is such a non-snob!! I watch these shows in the morning while I'm getting ready for work. I had to cancel my dream trip to Britain because of the FINANCIAL CRISIS so I just have to remember how much I love British history. Have been re-searching the stories of Britain NOT just Monarchy.
Thank you for recording and sharing these.
thank the BBC they made it
I love fake or fortune great Programme thank you
I love this series. The forgers are fascinating. Especially the ones who have not been exposed yet. Imagine ripping off a Saudi Prince for 450 million. What comes around goes around. Modern science is wonderful. Leo would be proud.Love those Christies shills.
Wonderful. Thank you.
Love his portraits. They show character - not just grand, flat representations. I also love Frans Hals’ portraits for the same reason. They reach out to me - they almost look familiar. I also like early New England or Hudson River portraits and landscapes which often have a compelling figure or scene. My favorite European portraitist is Vigee Le Brun. The MET had an exhibit of her works in 2016 and they were wonderful.
In the show "A Stitch in Time," there is a magnificent portrait of a working man - a hedger - wearing a very old, very much patched buff coat similar in cut to the mayor's coat - at least in the collar. THAT coat may have been handed down or second-hand, as the style predates the date of the painting by 25 to 30 years. (Yet it would be a serviceable leather coat for a hedger, a man who worked outside, in brambles and thorns, in all weather.)
I LOVE that show!!!!!
Wonderful observation. There's a "van gogh" still life in a green glass on the southebys or Christy's youtube channel and I left a bunch of comments on there about the authenticity of the painting based on the plant species depicted in the still life. Its things like that...these small historical details that can sometimes be useful in these types of situations
Adore that show..
So interesting! Sure makes you think no one knows all!
It's important to know how much art world business is conducted on a knife edge.
My favorite show
Thanks for uploading!!
45:03 ----- I started smirking at the thought of the 70's and its huge point collars! HA!!
Mould knows his stuff.
Thank you very much. 😎😎😎
I enjoyed this episode so very much.
Liked this episide
This last episode didn’t surprise me. My grandmother taught me well.
I love how this program's semi regular back ground music is the same used in the movie "Benjamin Button".....A very haunting score!!
How appropriate, considering how they're going back in time.
I love the background music to this show
Wouldn’t an X-ray reveal the sketch in the landscape?
No discussion about how restoration would help make a difference in attribution of one, if not both, both paintings.
I just bought a replica Gainsbrough 'Portrait of his Daughter' that was used in the 1946 movie 'Crack Up'.
Hey nice.Enjoy.
Fiona not believing broccoli looks like a tree is proof she’s an alien.
Love it, the gallery just forgot who the owner was, this happens all the time, RMIT Melbourne stole a digital recorder from me in 2004, $600 dollar lost, when i ask for it back, they just threaten me with security other council galleries have stolen thousands of dollars in plinths, yes art is to be poor
I love this series..a real detective "Who Dunn it" However ..
There is a painting "Romantic Landscape' by John Trumbull..that is in a style to the landscape in question here..why didn't they research who actually painted the landscape then..
They didn't make a very convincing case for a Gainsborough drawing existing underneath the landscape.
Agree. I'm sure there are forensic tests that can detect an underdrawing or sketch under the paint layer.
just art work politics to not squash Philips reputation vs Bendor who is clearly more talented at spotting hidden gems in this episode.
An X-ray?
@@stargazerlse not only in this episode
The man really gives the impression he has to save his reputation even it mean twisting the facts around a bit. It happens in multiple episodes.
No wonder the art world is so full of fakes.
Those eyebrow genes are really strong.
Hello from British Columbia Canada
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Interesting that no mention was made of Thomas Gainsborough's nephew and assistant, Gainsborough Dupont.
Note: value of the portrait was not stated, I think the loan may come to an end
@38:15- the expert says “He did a painting and got it right, then decided to play with the theme”…
Wouldn’t it be the other way around????
Sketch it- draw it out in detail, paint it one way, try it another- then knock it out of the park?!?
Seems pretty pointless to keep doing something you’ve mastered. Makes no sense that he’d do it really well FIRST- then make lesser versions of it 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
The broccoli was conveniently located nearby
Well of course. Just like the the coal and the hand built landscape in the box.
It's posh England this shit is always laying around
If the painting of Gape was already an oval and someone wanted to cut it down so it could be framed in that shape, why would there have been any part of the arm that needed to be filled in? Why not just cut it down to the shape it already had? Their explanation didn't make sense to me.
The art trader was never wrong about Gainsborough!
The edge of his hair is painted different than in the they found og Gapes.
Did they check for later over-painting with cobalt over faded smalt?
chris lane - That's exactly what I was thinking. How do they know it wasn't painted over or touched up later on, as smalt is know to fade over time. I would think one of the other tests would be able to tell? Gas spectrometer??? or something like that?
aSDo Art Exactly. They've shown tests of cross sections on paint down to the ground layer, so one would expect it to be possible to check top most layers on top of the old varnish. They never said.
@@OhMyPearls If you happened to take a sample from a touched-up area you might think it all later pigment.
Yeahp I was disappointed they didnt test it further
Exactly my thought. Old paintings are often over painted for numerous reasons and to check for this would have been my first choice. They tested a tiny area from the very top layer. I would want other areas tested also to check for consistency in the paints used.
Wanted some evidence of repainting the face. Would that show by ultraviolet or was it too long ago?
"Why do you eat it?" 😂
Just great,isn´t it?
47:50 .... Aluminium .... or has someone added paint in a restoration .... to brighten the mountains .... and how many parts of the blue did she test
That is the BEST English painter? Oh dear. I rather agree with Gainsborough's widow.
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I have a Dufy signed painting but I really don't have any ideas if this is genuine. I picked it from a Japanese shop! Do you have any ideas where to bring it for authenticity? Thanks
Same thing the show does. Chase the provenance, and then if that looks promising cough up the money for professional tests.
What gets my goat is that these art lovers will agree that a painting is beautiful, great and top notch but, unless it has the name of an artist they consider important, it is relatively worthless. Adding the name of Rembrandt, Gainsborough, Constable, Vermeer or any other respected name automatically adds several zeros to the cost. You are either good or you are not and the price should be commensurate with the quality and not the painter’s name.
Just love Uk tv :O)
I'm getting tired of these "experts" whom overlook the changes occurring throughout both the style and effects of aging in the life of painters.
How is using a paint invented after one's death the "style and effects of aging in the life of painters"?
"Who" overlook, not "whom".
We have seen the couple before have we not?
200,000? In England alone? I might give up painting.
I dont really see how the lanscape can be attributed to Gainsbrough at all !? Its more likely a painting in the style of - as its similar to his compositions but that doesnt prove its linked to him.
19:41 ....where is it's frame .... EXPLAIN !
T'were plenty to gain here , in any borough .
How much is each one worth?
The lady wearing blue look like the man in the potret
The attitude of the descendants of he Gape guy was refreshingly abnormal. Not wanting to sell it immediately in order to save some ancient house!? The ladies have obviously turned mad!!!
maybe because they're not desperate for money?
I shouldn't of gone to Spec Savers, I read that as Fake or Torture.
Of course in life not only paintings are fake.....
Note that many men in these paintings have a bt of a pot belly. Must be a status symbol.
If the landscape doesn't have the right paint I wouldn't even go so far as to say it was a drawing was by Gainsborough. It could just be a very clever faker--that seems way more likely than someone finding his drawing YEARS later and painting it in the same exact style. Did they scan the painting to see if they had just reused an old sheet of paper? Fakers do that.
The landscape is the least convincing piece so far and the theory it was a sketch that was painted over, a century later, is a bit too convenient once proven he didn't paint it ,
9:11 "slipshod and flat-chested". Man, waddya really think ?
"Slope-shouldered and flat-chested".
So if it's not Gainsborough it's a crap painting, but if it is it's a GREAT painting! The art world is crazy..
90%name, 10% image. That is what makes a picture worth something.
There's a saying. "It's not about what you know, it's who you know" and that applies to paintings as well. No one wants a nobody painting--they want a famous name attached to it.
During the American civil war, they had no collars.
Man, her voice is hot.
University definitely expands ones thinking - for most the three or four years of study to obtain a bachelors degree is enough for most students to realise the world is their oyster. Unfortunately I have met University academics who spend their lives buried in books, My belief is, their lives are handicapped by theoretical thought. Brilliant in mind yet hopeless in the real world.
TENHO ALGUNAS ART ? QUERO VENDER .NAO SEI COMO?
Why do you suppose he would paint on paper. Would not seem to be be archival at all.
When they suggested it was originally a sketch, it made sense to me why it was on paper.
I like this show except for the horrible background music.
Ani Dadron couldn’t agree more I try to relax to it but the music does my head in
The soundtrack is MAGNIFICENT MAGESTIC !!!
Thanks. This is the first I've seen this episode. But the more shows of this series I watch, the clearer it becomes that it's all about money, not art. If there were fewer idiots with too much cash looking for a place to park it, the art world wouldn't be polluted with so many fakes in the first place. The worst part is that most of the artists who created the works lived hand to mouth existences. Now, Saudis, or fat capitalist Yanks, see them as nothing but investments. A pox on all their houses.
Exactly my experience with the series. People keeping paintings in attics. Locked away and discarded all with little interest in them. But all the hard work of the show, the forensics, the research, history and stories - and yet it all comes down to money. Suddenly a painting get's a high valuation and people think it's more beautiful than they've ever realised. They see its value only once it's proven to have value. The best episodes are the ones where the painting has personal significance and is loved regardless of authentication. These uber-wealthy collecting great works as "investments" as if they needed MORE money. Not even commissioning new work, new art, new operas. Where did the worlds most valued treasures come from? A pox indeed.
You do realise that fakes have been around for as long 2000 years? There is evidence that Greek and Roman statues were faked even in their time. As long as there has been someone willing to pay indecent amounts of money for artworks then there will ALWAYS be fakes. Even the likes of Leonarda Da Vinci had his works faked in his time. It's not a new phenomena. It's just so much more pronounced now because artworks are now fetching hundreds or millions of dollars. Even the most recent discovery of Da Vinci's "Salvator Mundi" which was purchased back in 2017 for $US450 MILLION has now been thrown into doubt. There are experts who have studied Da Vinci's artworks who are disagreeing with each other as to whether or not the painting was actually painted by Da Vinici himself or by someone in his studio. The techniques and the materials used match exactly to those used by Da Vinci but some of these experts don't think the work was done by Da Vinci's hands. The good news for the Arabs who forked out $US450 million for the painting is that more of Da Vinici's experts and connoisseurs are on their side than those that don't believe it's by Da Vinci's hands. If you've watched all of the episodes of this program as I have you'll see that even the most OVERWHELMING scientific evidence presented by the leading scientists in this field will NEVER convince these so called experts to change their minds. about the works presented to them. Why? Because they don't want to damage their own reputations as they were the ones who knocked back the paintings decades before all this new scientific procedures were invented. Back then they simply went by their knowledge or connoisseurship of the artist. For some of these experts it all about their egos and for others it is about the money as they don't want to proven wrong even against the most convincing scientific evidence. There was an episode regarding a Monet painting that had the most astonishing scientific evidence and povenance paper trail to back it up the the guy who refused to accept it as a genuine Monet simply did so because his father was the person who renounced the painting decades beforehand. He didn't want to damage his father's reputation therefore he refused to accept it as one of Monet's works as there was "supposedly" no record of this painting. Even after the program had aired they presented to him with a picture of Monet's funeral with the painting in question sitting behind Monet's coffin in church along with his other artworks he STILL refused to accept it. All because he didn't want to damage his father's reputation as the leading expert on Monet. As for the money side of things, if you picked up a work at a flea market that turned out to be worth millions by a well known and established artists wouldn't you do it for the money as well??
this is britain not uk, uk is a corporation not a land.
So ... their first meeting and then they "hit the road" and come back for discussion and are wearing the same clothes ? humm............
England isn't very big.
It's called continuity.
Not a revelation. They are basically tv narrators of the story that was uncovered by people who research for a living. The newscastors aren't the people who wrote said news--they're just reporting it.
With this knowledge I would not pay $100.00 for Imaginary Landscape. For the Gape, quite a bit more, but still in single digit thousands.
And for the goat you just dismounted, $35
@@email4664 dude that is so funny. ! !! well done.
@@zogzog1063 Thank you for having a sense of humor ZOg. Much respect.
In actuality, these are really high value- The imaginary Landscape piece, being a drawing by Gainsbrough, is worth quite a lot, as it was in the period of his last works.
Ok.So you want to tell me the expert on Gainsbrough accepts 1 or 2 newly discovered Gainsbroughs every week? Woa, woa, hold your horses!
They said he accepts one or two per year but sees a few a week.
Ah, ok. My bad.
@@vaclavslajch9879 That was his quota for that year I guess.
I think the women host actually knows nothing about the art world and she is there just for the sake of adding diversity to the show.
I think you should call the painting combining the bland looking Andrews couple and the landscape a BLANDSCAPE.....Cherryl from Canada
God, this is sooooo English
😂. It’s an interesting program!
God help forgers when art people start using the scientific method and start trying to prove works are NOT by some artist rather than trying to prove they are. Glad science and courtrooms no longer work that way because we had theocracy and witch trials..,and also communism and nazism.
Your comment is all over the place.
39:57to 4:32 is complete fabrication.
Show me a more over-rated painter than Gainsborough.
Francis Bacon
@@elkiemart4132 But Bacon's work is vivid, visceral, imaginative and expressive yet Gainsborough is stiff, insipid and illustrative.
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Ilove you Fiona Bruce let me know if you single I would marry you
What is the Bruce doing ruining an interesting show with her inane remarks , the beeb should keep her on news programmes , anybody with a serious interest wants the facts about artistic works & antiques , not totty filler !
"Get back in the kitchen" is such old trolling.
I don't like the lady host of this series. I really don't.
Well, she's British and the British can sometimes have that air about them which I feel from her. But with that considered, she's not all that bad though I only know her from this series.
She’s a National Treasure! No one disses Fiona Bruce.
COBALT BLUE!!!
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