The sad thing is in America the people in charge of our moral standards, have no morals and no standards and only represents a small pocket of the country
We need more ppl to sue the ppl who try to censor anyone for defamation. It's a violation of your rights. That's how to fix it. Take them to court and let the court see they are breaking the law. Plus, Discovery will show they are doing sketchy sh*t.
My problem, as I commented on the tweet, isn't a social justice side of things, it's the fact that Capcom have a nasty habit of making games less Japanese. For example, the Ace Attorney series where they did their damndest to Americanize it. They don't seem to understand that people like Japanese games, because they are Japanese. I have enough options when it comes to Western media, I partake of Japanese media because it ISN'T Western. What's the point in promoting diversity, if they make it all the same and take the different cultures out? Good video, bro!
That's the ironic thing is that forcing diversity ends up with no diversity at all. Imagine how boring it would be if the entire world was exactly the same.
@@embracerodusk2537 Absolutely. I love different cultures. I've always been someone who has explored and studied cultures and traditions because I think they are interesting. The LAST thing I want is to see them all blurred together or having particular values imposed upon them from foreign cultures.
Because they don't care about diversity of culture or ideas. That's not the diversity they are aiming for with DEI. They want homogenization of culture. They want ideals to be universal and enforced. The diversity they care for is only skin deep and tied up with intersectionality. Same for the "equity" and the "inclusion."
You would think Capcom would have learned their lesson when they were called Crapcom during the PS3/360 era when they tried to Americanize their games and IPs to disastrous results. I guess history is always bound to repeat itself when they don't learn.
@@matthewcoreyhall Not to worry, the culture-rebalancing is already in full effect. It will never get full blown there and frankly, there was already some strange culture issues before wokeness. While i feel sorry for those that swallowed modern subversive social theories without a critical thought, we've reached the end of the woke-train. It's only a couple of more years until it's obvious to everyone. Fortunately, we only lost half a generation. Even the children are fighting the propaganda, now.
**My Opinion** The problem is that when you give in to pressure to change your product, it will only escalate even more censorship. We had the ESRB created to give guidelines as pertaining to information about the product: problem solved. Now all content "inappropriate" falls on the parents to educate themselves on. When companies give in to the pressure of fringe groups, they lose creativity. I'm getting tired of companies giving in to these small groups screaming. Just make your game, if people like it, it'll sell. If people are offended, your game won't sell. Let the market determine the outcome.
Censorship is bad no matter what. That being said, there's a difference between the past where companies would simply change things thinking that people couldn't handle certain topics in certain regions and companies now saying "we're going to change things for a certain group of people to virtue signal." Especially when they group really isn't going to play your games anyway. When there's a forced ideological agenda that's industry-wide, it's never going to be okay. When community managers and dev employees say "white men suck" and then try and change characters to fit their issues, you have real problems.
I'm against censorship in all its forms. Working in a library has taught me that in order to truly appreciate Freedom of Speech - and by extension Expression - we MUST allow ideas, perspectives, stories and images that some of us might find offensive. I understand the intent of wanting to make something that would be inclusive to all, but exclusion of expression is not inclusion. All games are not for everyone, just as with every other piece of entertainment media. Everything must be allowed to exist so that we as individuals may decide what is right for US.
It's always been happening. That doesn't mean it should. We should strive to have the same experience as Western gamers in Japanese games as the Japanese do, just in English. Saying "it's always happened" doesn't make it right.
I agree I haven't watched the whole video not sure if I will or not but. When he was like I decided to think deeper than people getting emotional over it that just pissed me off like he's saying we're stupid. Who cares if I happened back then it shouldn't happen at all period all versions of the games should be exactly the same. Just because It happens back then doesn't mean it should happen.
I really hope you never play Street fighter then because there are literally 3 named character who are completely different people depending on waht part of the world you play the games.
I mostly agree with keeping them the same across the board. However, japanese culture also has puns that have no similar translation in english. This means that even if they translate perfectly, a joke or saying may not land in a new language. This is where I think it is appropriate to change what is being said. With all that said, it better stay a joke amd maintain as close of a meaning as possible
@@loon1994 which these modern "localizers" do not do, clearly enough. A good example is the SBI and BGG recent exposés. Telling a dev studio "Turn your main character into a black woman." is not the same as simply transliterating a joke to properly transmit context. And these people never likely do the latter in the first place.
@@NetBattler True no localizers just translators are needed and that's it. My cousins from Kyoto were telling me about this even they were annoyed by it.
@@therealjaystone2344 If need be yes it's cheaper and more accurate. Also it won't self insert it's own political views in. It will do simply what it's programmed to do and that's it.
back in the 90's, localizations were pretty strict, which is why it was a big surprise that breath of fire 2 had a very light censorship, but its translation was inconsistent because of time constraints. "never say die" trope was frequently in full effect. even zelda had censorship on the snes and gameboy.
also sometimes the company has policies where certain content cannot be used because of license issues. barriers such as text box limitations and different language structures are why some changes apply.
@DeafTourette we know what it means. We also know that it refers to over 99% of the population. But we don't call ourselves that, never have. it's some made up word from the 90s to be an antonym for trans. Quite frankly it's also used as a word to divide people, so it's always going to be something negative and will always start an argument.
@@mrpyrostorm3165 which is not even, at all, as divisive, and more often used in that context as a "black" [fill in the blank of another character, or fictional (and even at times, non-fictional) demographic in which skin color isn't technically defined]. When they have a name and are a different character, entirely. Because apparently "white" is being touted as the norm. If you don't see that, yet take more offense to "cis", perhaps you're missing the point. If someone calls me "cis", I don't even worry about it. It's a simple label which really doesn't have a negative connotation to it, nor is it typically used to make a statement, that it is outside of any norm.
We need this version of RGT. Its the next step. Youve already been calling out crap. Now put your journalist hat nack on fully and shut this crap down. Id be happier with less videos a week if you could have more time to do more research snd stuff
As someone who has been commissioned to write a script under contract, I feel I should say that we almost never have full creative control. We answer to the wants and feedback of three producers/directors etc. Those kinds of works projects only tend to occur if we are fortunate enough to also be the lead producer and/director. Ann example of that would be Kojima. He's enjoyed a lot of unfettered control, especially these days. Also, for those reasons, no outside consultant can ever force a creative team to do anything. They are hired to give advice on matters that team may not have experience in. Might a more corporate style consultantcy firm like SBI use aggressive sales tactics? Sure, but they still don't have the final word, just like the writers.
Maybe a large amount of game localizers aren't doing this yet, but in anime, localizers going rogue and putting their own agenda into things is rampant.
That ratio is pretty insane. The Japanese are a quantitative focused nation. They want to see numbers, if anything is causing them to lose money they will investigate as to why? I used to work for a Japanese tcg company named Bushiroad. When things did not go well the Japanese/International branches would investigate as to why. Our translations came from Singapore so they tried to stick with what Japan had on the original cards. With what is going on with DEI and and people virtue signaling, I don’t understand. This will certainly push the consumer away. Good luck Capcom, I love you, but you may want to keep a magnifying lens on your Western staff working in the Osaka branch.
Even the crayon kids could realize that what brock was eating was not jelly donuts in that one pokemon episode. This is 4kids tier, needing to dumb down or americanize things.
Localization makes sense in a lot of things. Like changing the names of stuff so they make sense to the country they are in. Or the items the people are interacting with. IE Changing a bento box to a lunch box. Or switching phrases that make no sense when translated to a different language.
The Japanese people dont like that at all, but companies for money will. That is the difference from the industry today and why so much internal and external DEI consultant teams exist..
@@Particle_Ghostyou're assuming they even understand whats going. its more likely they want to go with whatevers safe or at least what they're being told as whats safe.
@@-RH80- There is no middle there's only ignorance and ignorance play's right into their hand's making them on their side if they did it intentionally or not.
@@OriginalGrasshopperSouth Korea is much worse though. Their feminists there are very ruthless. Shiftup is just an outlier there. Maybe this ai stuff might be a blessing in disguise since we can make our own games and media. FYI: use the open source generative ai so you won't have any censorship.
Localizer have the bad reputation for the things they have done, they say that all their work is vetted but that has not stop obvious mistranslation, some localizers even brag of the change they have made like Katrina.
Dude, I'm with you when it comes to the "no sides" discussion. I DID lean very much to one side my whole life, but in the last few years they have gotten....insane and I disagree with a TON of their more recent views. So even though I 100% am one side over the other, I pretty much disagree with both sides.
Capcom USA is in San Francisco. Capcom of Japan doesn't realize this is a huge liability and has been for over a decade. I've heard they are also responsible for dumbing down Street Fighter games because they are too difficult for western audiences.
I guess I’m not bothered by it. As long as Capcom keeps making great games, I will be happy. People really need to stop picking a side here. The people who don’t pick a side seem to have the most level head and are able to look at things from both sides.
I play Japanese game because I like Japanese games. The only thing we want is straight translation. Anything more is making a game less of what I wanted from the game to begin with.
You really think somebody would admit they're doing something they want to keep behind the scenes? Even the dev of Like A Dragon stated that these people dictate things like the length of characters' skirts. Even that other game had these "consultancy companies" telling them to "change the main character to a black woman". One thing you should have learned by now is that people constantly lie on the internet. Especially those with corporate or political interests in mind.
Capcom is gonna do whatever they think is going to make Capcom the most money. If they think there’s money in going woke, they will. But, surprise, they’re really isn’t so, I expect they won’t.
You spoke about the regional differences and how its nothing new. Thats the point of the anger. We're over it! The changes are not necessary and have always been there to appease those who might get upset. You mentioned Ash being taken out of streets of rage 3 to avoid back lash by one group of people and race swapping the street fighter character for another group. I say f them both. Nothing should be changed for any group, harden the F up. I want things translated so i can read it, but i also want the cultural differences to remain, and that goes for all corners of the world, those differences are why we reach for a piece of media and how we can get inspired to create something new. Gaming for over 30 years now, yes there has always been localisation and its never been good, its always something that just keeps getting worse.
@RGT 85 Great job! in reaching out to these companies, for me it wasn't just the tweet, it also had to do with the capcom leak and their notes to capcom. I suggest looking it up. to get a clearer picture. it's one thing what they say to you and another is what the company mandate it.
While censorship was a thing back then (It's one reason I kept on with import gaming for decades), with retro games today, you got everything from fan translations, uncensored patches, and easy access to the vanilla uncensored versions via emulation. This is the reason people are going back to retro games. Not to mention today some games are being censored at the source as well at an alarming rate, while only a handful of retro games got this treatment back in the day (JP FF6 Advance is the most known example).
"That is not something they actually do" That is bullshit and the new like a dragon infinite wealth shows it , the localizers themselves bragged about changing things, so the the love complex adaptation
The Konami localization team removed crosses from Castlevania because they thought it would offend Christians, it's literally the inverse of what is expected today. It would be nice if regulators around the world would view video games as fictitious entertainment that literally operate by different standards. A violent game where attacking opponents and killing hundreds of enemies cannot be viewed in the same lens as a world where this behavior is not acceptable, the same should go with other standards. No one is forcing someone to buy the game and feel like they were included in it, even if the main character can have different races, species, genders, and classes chosen which could possibly be more representative of the player outside the game. Nintendo made Link androgynous because they wanted players of both sexes to resonate with the character they're controlling, it helps sell games and consoles, potentially. A developer can take measures to appeal to different groups of people but they shouldn't be obligated or forced to do so if they want to sell their game. Whatever a developer chooses to do should solely be at their discretion, the problem is that regulatory bodies in the EU, for instance, think that games must represent certain groups that they feel don't get full representation in all areas of the market. People have the right to boycott just about anything they feel don't represent their values or group they claim to represent but this should always be at the discretion of the developer if they choose to be more inclusive and for what reason as well. Konami excluding crosses from graves meant to take place in Europe hundreds of years ago would likely be considered offensive if Christians were not still a small majority in that region but people did not boycott their games and regulatory bodies were not insisting they be more inclusive when representing European gravestones. Censorship will certainly always play a role in society but when it comes to video games it should on how it's rated and the realistic portrayal of certain abuses that should be the only instances that may induce government intervention, sadly, it's not the world we live in.
There's a part in the clause that basically says its a challenging process. I think one of the challenges is making content that may be highly sensitive and wildy divisive within a region. Meaning either way there may be backlash from one side or the other no matter which direction they choose.
Localization had absolutely nothing to do with changing the message or core material to 'fit' a certain culture's sensitivities. Why would that had even been a thing in the past? It wasn't bc anime and manga are a JAPANESE product for JAPANANESE people. No, localization always had everything to do with the translation part and most accurately relaying the message of the source material in the target language. This gaslighting that localization has always had something to do with changing the core material is a new approach that's being used to force the cultural norms of other countries onto Japanese creators' work. If you support Japanese creators, reject their attempt to take control and manipulate Japanese creatives.
A lot of this is probably a knee jerk reaction, because the localizers of anime change things so much. And in anime it's much more impactful. So localizations is a very touchy subject on twittter/X Ugh samsungs speech to text is abysmal
Look I hear it, localization changes should be minimal because you are outright changing the source material and when I buy a game I'm expecting it to be like the source material from Japan, just in English. However, censoring certain things for an international release just kind of makes sense, some cultures are very different to ours. Even Nintendo is guilty of this, Mario Party 8 had it's European release updated because of a part of the game where Kamek says "spastic". Turns out spastic in parts of Europe is considered a pretty hateful word, and people began complaining to Nintendo and returning copies. Sometimes changing things for cultural norms is necessary to make a game that isn't unintentionally hateful. I hate the word 'offensive' because of the whole 'woke movement' stuff, since they use it so much, but yeah if there were imagery of the KKK in Final Fantasy 7 in Japan, I think it's reasonable they would remove it from a worldwide release (this isn't true btw, just thought it made a good example). Now changing unnecessary things for the sake of inclusivity, that is where I draw the line. These are videogames, they already appeal to everyone. When I play Spiderman: Miles Morales I don't get mad because the main character is black and American, and I'm a white Canadian, I just play Spiderman because it's fucking Spiderman and God damnit I want to play Spiderman and have a jolly old time. Making games more inclusive is a waste of time and resources, and in the end you'll make more enemies than you will new customers. I'm not sure whose looking at Mega Man and asking "please Capcom, make an African American robot!", Mostly because there is nobody doing that. Also, I'm not sure where any of this is even coming from, remember Capcom is the same game that made Resident Evil 4, RE4 Remake and 5, both games 'woke people' like to claim are racist, so for them to then say "we are trying to be inclusive and change things to match cultures", I'm not really seeing it.
The RE4R director “Ashley wearing a skirt was not realistic, it didnt make sense” The lamest excuse ever for her design change. In the RE4 story Ashley was on her way to University and then she got abducted. She was dressed for study… how does this not make sense?
What a great informative and well-researched video! Also, love that there is some rockin' music that's constantly playing in the background, would love to know the name of it.
I think is moving away from having attractive women in games to intentionally making them ugly. It's like a bunch of ugly women in real life are jealous and start kicking off. The most recent Star wars game shows that DEI in games is just a reflection of that. Samus and Lara Croft shows that games can be successful cos they are good games. Female lead or not. What is bad in the star wars game is that the actual body model is stunning so it's done intentionally to make her ugly. Just not right
Stellar Blade is the most played demo ever on the PS5. The game stars an attractive woman, and the demo is averaging 50 hours of play per person. You get that? People are playing a DEMO for an average of 50 hours. So no, people aren't upset because a girl is in the lead.
@@jobearesto9746 is she ugly? That's up to perspective, I guess. Either way, why is that such a big deal anyway? It doesn't have any impact on the game. Especially if it's new. The only time it's made sense to complain about was when they changed the Spiderman game to look more like Tom Holland. That was stupid. But it clearly didn't mess with its sales at all.
@@jobearesto9746 is she ugly? That's up to perspective, I guess. Either way, why is that such a big deal anyway? It doesn't have any impact on the game. Especially if it's new. The only time it's made sense to complain about was when they changed the Spiderman game to look more like Tom Holland. That was stupid. But it clearly didn't mess with its sales at all.
Long time fan, RGT I love the content and I respect and appreciate your opinion I agree with you brother and I am looking forward to potentially meeting you at too many games!
I think that the problem is with the higher ups. However there are locations teams that change things as evidenced in the Japanese translations in anime. However not everyone will be like that. I think if you concentrate on DEI then gameplay and story like suffers. Just do this to stop this type of behaviour... Wait for reviews/play through. See if it's cr@p then don't buy it. They will get the message
The fact that people come after you just for speaking about this, as if you aren't a games journalist or a person who's allowed to have your own opinion, much less cover this topic, legitimately proves how psycho and cult-like those "games journalists" from Twitter are.
Just let people choose if they want to play a certain game...they shouldn't have to change things in the games based on someone's stupid feelings lol...
Not just Capcom, I think learning one of the Asian languages can help with games from any Japanese developers, like many JRPGs take years to come West. Also games like Yakuza and Tsushima , it’s just so weird in English
I respect your opinion, bro. I think a lot of folks have forgotten how to be humans with thoughts and feelings as opposed to a robot having to fit the "appropriate program lest ye be shut down".
You're not understanding. Yes companies have their internal localization teams for years and yes it always has been to not offend anyone outside of Japan. The issue that is what youre not seeing is how much control they are having and how other stuff they are pushing for their personal purpose. Capcom have changed a lot, if iis the worse of all like in the west? Not at all, at least for now, however you can see latley in their games how they are censoring more, even stuff that we could see on international releases in the past. The biggest problem is the people that are on those departments, if we the consumer let them do it and say is ok the more they will continue destroying games, especially now that companies get money for following those changes. I know where youre coming from but, but if you dont want to see Capcom turn into a Disney we need to let them hear us.
People know video games aren't real but any universe they're set in must abide by DEI or whatever PC standard dominates the society of the time. Putting a pride flag on the main antagonist's castle wouldn't offend most people but it doesn't mesh well with the big shots behind DEI, even if it's inclusive.
Yes, I do agree that in corporate structure, the localizer would not have that kind of power. However, the tweet is expressing something else. Based on the tweet, they do have the power to change certain content of the games in order to adapt it to the "environment" the target language is in. Therefore, there are two posibilities: one is the tweet is exagerating their role to make themselves more important than reality or the other is the Capcom localizer have a different structure than the company you chatted with. Since the Capcom localizers are an in-house team, it is more likey than not that they have more power than a contractor company could have.
Haha Street Fighter. I was a young one when I noticed that change. We, my cousins and myself, thought it was funny. I see now how the change may have been race related, but as kids we thought it was more reality based. In the 90's, we didn't see too many fights between white and black males, and if we did, it wasn't usually shown in that direction. Disclaimer, Just speaking towards events in my area.
I would say yes, you can even tell how they started the change Jill's figure in the Resident Evil 3 remake. Dragon's Dogma 2 made it pretty obvious with certain characters. They're not as bad as some companies but they are definitely going in on it. Their games aren't as good as they used to be anyway. The Resident Evil 4 remake was pretty good but everything else is rather boring.
First I learn Nintendo is hiring a position for a western localizer with a focus on DEI and now Capcom? Saying no to these companies that created my childhood will be like cutting off an arm but I will. I'll just give my money to Atari and Evercade.
@polycube868 No it means someone infected with the SJW disease was able to get in. They don't produce entertainment. They only spoil what was great. Rest assured when they start putting gay pride iconography in our games, it will only be for US and European releases. But just like in that new Spiderman game, they will remove it for the Chinese and Middle Eastern markets for the obvious reason. They know pride doesn't sell. They're only doing it for that yummy DEI money.
Nice Vid RGT 85. Capcom is ok I feel, not too much too worry about guys. I don't think there is a problem here with Capcom, changing and removing things per Region has being going on since the Year of dot, Censorship is always a bummer but forcing things too be changed and or being Racist towards other ethnics etc, isn't what Gaming is about and I'm not gonna support that.
Back then it was done with a light touch, now its just become really ridiculous. But we cant say we should freak out or not yet because capcom has always been great but we'll have to see what the future brings after this recent statement
I'm in the middle as well f the left and right sometimes you gotta ride with what you believe in. Both sides bend ppl over way 2 fast, and a lot of them accept it, lol
I usually buy the Asian version of games if I find it's been altered or censored. Alot of times you can still even set them to English in the options, so that they do this; I think alot of people have been doing this.
Well, not everything is part of a "culture war." If you talk to the people who actually work in the industry, it might even seem as if almost nothing is--that simple. I cannot think of any public media that does not go through revisions, and is not commented on, or where changes are not suggested or even demanded. Edits, suggestions, and the inclusion of other perspectives and critical feedback is not censorship; its part of production. See theshadowdirector's comments below.
@user-ui1mk8wr3p A cult that pushes the message through virtue signaling and forced diversity (through means such as tokenization). On the surface they act all virtuous but underneath they want to force people apart and pander to make it seem not so.
The sad thing is in America the people in charge of our moral standards, have no morals and no standards and only represents a small pocket of the country
It's hypocritical in fact
I think that censorship has no place in the video game industry.
Censorship has no place in America
Censorship is a violation of your freedom of speech. U can sue someone for censoring you for defamation and you will win.
thats why PEGI exists. no need to censor, just informed decision.
Same here
its weird that people want the right to say what ever they want but if a private company does just that its a crime. Just dont buy these games .
We need more people to speak up against all this censorship
We need more ppl to sue the ppl who try to censor anyone for defamation. It's a violation of your rights. That's how to fix it. Take them to court and let the court see they are breaking the law. Plus, Discovery will show they are doing sketchy sh*t.
people needed to speak up 20 years ago maybe if they hade "woke" wouldn't be a over used buzz word.
@@teh_shaw4103 rgt85 used the word "Woke" to make a click bait title but the video is about censorship because cultural, moral and political views...
@hilariousl your reading into my choice of words too much I was just responding to your comment.
@@teh_shaw4103 me too. I dont even mind the word "woke", rgt is having fun. We have always had censorship in games, its a pitty
I hate censorship
This is why we can’t have nice things
you wouldn't even notice if it werepounted out to you, there's nothing wrong if there is good reasons
@@jimmyju76and this isn't a good reason
I hate wokeness
everybody hates censorship until another Pyra/Eve/Kasumi etc etc etc comes along.
My problem, as I commented on the tweet, isn't a social justice side of things, it's the fact that Capcom have a nasty habit of making games less Japanese. For example, the Ace Attorney series where they did their damndest to Americanize it.
They don't seem to understand that people like Japanese games, because they are Japanese. I have enough options when it comes to Western media, I partake of Japanese media because it ISN'T Western.
What's the point in promoting diversity, if they make it all the same and take the different cultures out?
Good video, bro!
That's the ironic thing is that forcing diversity ends up with no diversity at all. Imagine how boring it would be if the entire world was exactly the same.
@@embracerodusk2537 Absolutely. I love different cultures. I've always been someone who has explored and studied cultures and traditions because I think they are interesting. The LAST thing I want is to see them all blurred together or having particular values imposed upon them from foreign cultures.
Because they don't care about diversity of culture or ideas. That's not the diversity they are aiming for with DEI. They want homogenization of culture. They want ideals to be universal and enforced. The diversity they care for is only skin deep and tied up with intersectionality.
Same for the "equity" and the "inclusion."
You have Twitter…
You would think Capcom would have learned their lesson when they were called Crapcom during the PS3/360 era when they tried to Americanize their games and IPs to disastrous results. I guess history is always bound to repeat itself when they don't learn.
I think localization and censorship must be destroyed!
I blame Spawn Wave media personally.
Huh? Why?
@@cineologist_just a meme to dunk on spawn wave on this channel. All in good fun.
Me too
Mannn you know what I wana see another movie made by capcom like when are we gonna get another street fighter movie ??
@@cineologist_it's a channel joke... everything is Jons fault up to and including global warming
Just the localizers. The Japanese hate political correctness
Huh what you mean ?
@@malikgray6615he means the west is fecked but the Japanese aren’t.
@malikgray6615 if you seen the original Street Fighter designs you'd understand 😂😂
i lived in japan for two years, things are changing there as well
@@matthewcoreyhall Not to worry, the culture-rebalancing is already in full effect. It will never get full blown there and frankly, there was already some strange culture issues before wokeness. While i feel sorry for those that swallowed modern subversive social theories without a critical thought, we've reached the end of the woke-train. It's only a couple of more years until it's obvious to everyone. Fortunately, we only lost half a generation. Even the children are fighting the propaganda, now.
**My Opinion** The problem is that when you give in to pressure to change your product, it will only escalate even more censorship. We had the ESRB created to give guidelines as pertaining to information about the product: problem solved. Now all content "inappropriate" falls on the parents to educate themselves on. When companies give in to the pressure of fringe groups, they lose creativity. I'm getting tired of companies giving in to these small groups screaming. Just make your game, if people like it, it'll sell. If people are offended, your game won't sell. Let the market determine the outcome.
Censorship is bad no matter what. That being said, there's a difference between the past where companies would simply change things thinking that people couldn't handle certain topics in certain regions and companies now saying "we're going to change things for a certain group of people to virtue signal." Especially when they group really isn't going to play your games anyway. When there's a forced ideological agenda that's industry-wide, it's never going to be okay. When community managers and dev employees say "white men suck" and then try and change characters to fit their issues, you have real problems.
I'm against censorship in all its forms. Working in a library has taught me that in order to truly appreciate Freedom of Speech - and by extension Expression - we MUST allow ideas, perspectives, stories and images that some of us might find offensive. I understand the intent of wanting to make something that would be inclusive to all, but exclusion of expression is not inclusion. All games are not for everyone, just as with every other piece of entertainment media. Everything must be allowed to exist so that we as individuals may decide what is right for US.
It's always been happening.
That doesn't mean it should. We should strive to have the same experience as Western gamers in Japanese games as the Japanese do, just in English. Saying "it's always happened" doesn't make it right.
I agree I haven't watched the whole video not sure if I will or not but. When he was like I decided to think deeper than people getting emotional over it that just pissed me off like he's saying we're stupid.
Who cares if I happened back then it shouldn't happen at all period all versions of the games should be exactly the same. Just because It happens back then doesn't mean it should happen.
Censorship have gotten worse over the years and the 2010s caught up to us thanks to the internet
I really hope you never play Street fighter then because there are literally 3 named character who are completely different people depending on waht part of the world you play the games.
I mostly agree with keeping them the same across the board. However, japanese culture also has puns that have no similar translation in english. This means that even if they translate perfectly, a joke or saying may not land in a new language. This is where I think it is appropriate to change what is being said. With all that said, it better stay a joke amd maintain as close of a meaning as possible
@@loon1994 which these modern "localizers" do not do, clearly enough. A good example is the SBI and BGG recent exposés. Telling a dev studio "Turn your main character into a black woman." is not the same as simply transliterating a joke to properly transmit context. And these people never likely do the latter in the first place.
I miss Final Fight era Capcom
Get rid if the localizers
And replace them with AI
Not all the localizers. Just the Wokealizers
I'm NOT okay with this...they must get rid of their localization team.
@@NetBattler True no localizers just translators are needed and that's it. My cousins from Kyoto were telling me about this even they were annoyed by it.
@@therealjaystone2344 If need be yes it's cheaper and more accurate. Also it won't self insert it's own political views in. It will do simply what it's programmed to do and that's it.
back in the 90's, localizations were pretty strict, which is why it was a big surprise that breath of fire 2 had a very light censorship, but its translation was inconsistent because of time constraints. "never say die" trope was frequently in full effect. even zelda had censorship on the snes and gameboy.
also sometimes the company has policies where certain content cannot be used because of license issues. barriers such as text box limitations and different language structures are why some changes apply.
But how is calling a man cis inclusive that's why I don't understand
Do you know what it means?
@DeafTourette we know what it means. We also know that it refers to over 99% of the population. But we don't call ourselves that, never have. it's some made up word from the 90s to be an antonym for trans.
Quite frankly it's also used as a word to divide people, so it's always going to be something negative and will always start an argument.
@@mrpyrostorm3165 fragile white guy here
@@mrpyrostorm3165 which is not even, at all, as divisive, and more often used in that context as a "black" [fill in the blank of another character, or fictional (and even at times, non-fictional) demographic in which skin color isn't technically defined]. When they have a name and are a different character, entirely. Because apparently "white" is being touted as the norm. If you don't see that, yet take more offense to "cis", perhaps you're missing the point. If someone calls me "cis", I don't even worry about it. It's a simple label which really doesn't have a negative connotation to it, nor is it typically used to make a statement, that it is outside of any norm.
Wow! Seeing RGT going the extra mile to do some journalism surprised me. I'm impressed. Maybe he's more than a Nintendo CZcamsr after all.
Localization is about sales. You localize the game so you maximize the appeal of the game in that region. Agin it all comes down to money.
We need this version of RGT. Its the next step. Youve already been calling out crap. Now put your journalist hat nack on fully and shut this crap down. Id be happier with less videos a week if you could have more time to do more research snd stuff
As someone who has been commissioned to write a script under contract, I feel I should say that we almost never have full creative control. We answer to the wants and feedback of three producers/directors etc. Those kinds of works projects only tend to occur if we are fortunate enough to also be the lead producer and/director. Ann example of that would be Kojima. He's enjoyed a lot of unfettered control, especially these days.
Also, for those reasons, no outside consultant can ever force a creative team to do anything. They are hired to give advice on matters that team may not have experience in. Might a more corporate style consultantcy firm like SBI use aggressive sales tactics? Sure, but they still don't have the final word, just like the writers.
I have no place for sensorship in media.
Neither does spelling apparently.
I just woke up bruh
Maybe a large amount of game localizers aren't doing this yet, but in anime, localizers going rogue and putting their own agenda into things is rampant.
Exactly
Localizers only follow instructions. They don't just change stuff they aren't asked to change.
@@SnipingIsFunTbh you look like someone who has no idea what you are talking about.
@user-hq6kn5vp2q Just someone who notices all the agenda pushing is in western media nowadays.
@@user-hq6kn5vp2q There's been numerous anime localizers who bragged about pushing their agenda into the material.
That ratio is pretty insane.
The Japanese are a quantitative focused nation.
They want to see numbers, if anything is causing them to lose money they will investigate as to why?
I used to work for a Japanese tcg company named Bushiroad.
When things did not go well the Japanese/International branches would investigate as to why.
Our translations came from Singapore so they tried to stick with what Japan had on the original cards.
With what is going on with DEI and and people virtue signaling, I don’t understand. This will certainly push the consumer away.
Good luck Capcom, I love you, but you may want to keep a magnifying lens on your Western staff working in the Osaka branch.
Spawnwave would never be bold enough to approacb this. This is why RGT85 is the people's Nintendo CZcamsr.
theres no need for censorship, because rating system exists like pegi, esrb...
Frankie Mercury is your Nintendo CZcamsr name.
Given the violence in L.A race riots when street fighter 2 was coming out in they changed it. History people
The people who would complain about this would have pissed and bitched if metal gear solid 2 and Spiderman hadn't reacted to 9/11.
Even the crayon kids could realize that what brock was eating was not jelly donuts in that one pokemon episode.
This is 4kids tier, needing to dumb down or americanize things.
I knew something was up when they put a trigger warning on the Apollo Justice remaster.
they did it to the Mega Man Battle Network Collection too.
I mean, the one for Apollo Justice is kind of warranted because of dual destinys.
@@JaredScott yup i noticed that
Localization makes sense in a lot of things. Like changing the names of stuff so they make sense to the country they are in. Or the items the people are interacting with.
IE Changing a bento box to a lunch box. Or switching phrases that make no sense when translated to a different language.
Keep this sh!t outta my videogames.
Agreed
This is more of an American localisers problem. Not a Japanese company problem. The Japanese can't stand that kind of crap!
They can demand that those things are not changed or it can't be localized.
I can't stand this crap either🧐
The Japanese people dont like that at all, but companies for money will. That is the difference from the industry today and why so much internal and external DEI consultant teams exist..
Did you listen to what he said in the video?
@@Particle_Ghostyou're assuming they even understand whats going. its more likely they want to go with whatevers safe or at least what they're being told as whats safe.
I don’t blame people for overreacting to Capcom, given all the different types of shenanigans going around in the gaming industry.
People in the middle always pretend they are not one side or the other most of the time. It’s like Tim Pool saying he is liberal
People in the middle are cowards.
@@-RH80- There is no middle there's only ignorance and ignorance play's right into their hand's making them on their side if they did it intentionally or not.
Yes people in the middle are not allowed to think for themselves. They must either hivemind in the left or right. Join us or be the enemy!
I thought Japanese game companies ain't doin' woke crap?
localizers probably
Unfortunately Japan is slowly turning into the West. Stick with South Korean games: they have still not bitten the woke apple yet.
@@OriginalGrasshopperSouth Korea is much worse though. Their feminists there are very ruthless. Shiftup is just an outlier there.
Maybe this ai stuff might be a blessing in disguise since we can make our own games and media. FYI: use the open source generative ai so you won't have any censorship.
Localizer have the bad reputation for the things they have done, they say that all their work is vetted but that has not stop obvious mistranslation, some localizers even brag of the change they have made like Katrina.
We dont like bully's we are also grown ups with a pulse.
Lmaoooo it’s very touchy people are saying RGT is woke for speaking the truth is crazyyy 🤣🤣 it’s alright RGT keep hitting them NERVES
Modern gamers... The irony is you all complain about censorship when comments get Censored here all day.
nope, if it seems over-woke, we are out.., we don't accept agendas from either side
I’m ok with the extremely flamboyant character being banned lol
Dude, I'm with you when it comes to the "no sides" discussion. I DID lean very much to one side my whole life, but in the last few years they have gotten....insane and I disagree with a TON of their more recent views. So even though I 100% am one side over the other, I pretty much disagree with both sides.
Capcom USA is in San Francisco. Capcom of Japan doesn't realize this is a huge liability and has been for over a decade. I've heard they are also responsible for dumbing down Street Fighter games because they are too difficult for western audiences.
I guess I’m not bothered by it. As long as Capcom keeps making great games, I will be happy. People really need to stop picking a side here. The people who don’t pick a side seem to have the most level head and are able to look at things from both sides.
I play Japanese game because I like Japanese games. The only thing we want is straight translation. Anything more is making a game less of what I wanted from the game to begin with.
we despised it then and it has not changed
Just download the ROMS and forget about them
You really think somebody would admit they're doing something they want to keep behind the scenes? Even the dev of Like A Dragon stated that these people dictate things like the length of characters' skirts. Even that other game had these "consultancy companies" telling them to "change the main character to a black woman". One thing you should have learned by now is that people constantly lie on the internet. Especially those with corporate or political interests in mind.
Capcom is gonna do whatever they think is going to make Capcom the most money. If they think there’s money in going woke, they will. But, surprise, they’re really isn’t so, I expect they won’t.
it's really a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
Love it when people without marketing degrees give opinions.
Cracks me up.
@@Viviorkogaming so people shouldn’t have opinions? You should like a complete idiot
@@Viviorkogaming Do you have a marketing degree?
And they will find out there is no money in it
You spoke about the regional differences and how its nothing new. Thats the point of the anger. We're over it! The changes are not necessary and have always been there to appease those who might get upset.
You mentioned Ash being taken out of streets of rage 3 to avoid back lash by one group of people and race swapping the street fighter character for another group.
I say f them both. Nothing should be changed for any group, harden the F up. I want things translated so i can read it, but i also want the cultural differences to remain, and that goes for all corners of the world, those differences are why we reach for a piece of media and how we can get inspired to create something new.
Gaming for over 30 years now, yes there has always been localisation and its never been good, its always something that just keeps getting worse.
@RGT 85 Great job! in reaching out to these companies, for me it wasn't just the tweet, it also had to do with the capcom leak and their notes to capcom. I suggest looking it up. to get a clearer picture. it's one thing what they say to you and another is what the company mandate it.
While censorship was a thing back then (It's one reason I kept on with import gaming for decades), with retro games today, you got everything from fan translations, uncensored patches, and easy access to the vanilla uncensored versions via emulation. This is the reason people are going back to retro games. Not to mention today some games are being censored at the source as well at an alarming rate, while only a handful of retro games got this treatment back in the day (JP FF6 Advance is the most known example).
"That is not something they actually do"
That is bullshit and the new like a dragon infinite wealth shows it , the localizers themselves bragged about changing things, so the the love complex adaptation
The Konami localization team removed crosses from Castlevania because they thought it would offend Christians, it's literally the inverse of what is expected today. It would be nice if regulators around the world would view video games as fictitious entertainment that literally operate by different standards. A violent game where attacking opponents and killing hundreds of enemies cannot be viewed in the same lens as a world where this behavior is not acceptable, the same should go with other standards. No one is forcing someone to buy the game and feel like they were included in it, even if the main character can have different races, species, genders, and classes chosen which could possibly be more representative of the player outside the game. Nintendo made Link androgynous because they wanted players of both sexes to resonate with the character they're controlling, it helps sell games and consoles, potentially. A developer can take measures to appeal to different groups of people but they shouldn't be obligated or forced to do so if they want to sell their game. Whatever a developer chooses to do should solely be at their discretion, the problem is that regulatory bodies in the EU, for instance, think that games must represent certain groups that they feel don't get full representation in all areas of the market. People have the right to boycott just about anything they feel don't represent their values or group they claim to represent but this should always be at the discretion of the developer if they choose to be more inclusive and for what reason as well. Konami excluding crosses from graves meant to take place in Europe hundreds of years ago would likely be considered offensive if Christians were not still a small majority in that region but people did not boycott their games and regulatory bodies were not insisting they be more inclusive when representing European gravestones. Censorship will certainly always play a role in society but when it comes to video games it should on how it's rated and the realistic portrayal of certain abuses that should be the only instances that may induce government intervention, sadly, it's not the world we live in.
There's a part in the clause that basically says its a challenging process. I think one of the challenges is making content that may be highly sensitive and wildy divisive within a region. Meaning either way there may be backlash from one side or the other no matter which direction they choose.
Localization had absolutely nothing to do with changing the message or core material to 'fit' a certain culture's sensitivities. Why would that had even been a thing in the past? It wasn't bc anime and manga are a JAPANESE product for JAPANANESE people. No, localization always had everything to do with the translation part and most accurately relaying the message of the source material in the target language. This gaslighting that localization has always had something to do with changing the core material is a new approach that's being used to force the cultural norms of other countries onto Japanese creators' work. If you support Japanese creators, reject their attempt to take control and manipulate Japanese creatives.
A lot of this is probably a knee jerk reaction, because the localizers of anime change things so much. And in anime it's much more impactful. So localizations is a very touchy subject on twittter/X
Ugh samsungs speech to text is abysmal
"Unacceptable" characters are a selling point for me.
Mentally ill
Look I hear it, localization changes should be minimal because you are outright changing the source material and when I buy a game I'm expecting it to be like the source material from Japan, just in English. However, censoring certain things for an international release just kind of makes sense, some cultures are very different to ours. Even Nintendo is guilty of this, Mario Party 8 had it's European release updated because of a part of the game where Kamek says "spastic". Turns out spastic in parts of Europe is considered a pretty hateful word, and people began complaining to Nintendo and returning copies. Sometimes changing things for cultural norms is necessary to make a game that isn't unintentionally hateful. I hate the word 'offensive' because of the whole 'woke movement' stuff, since they use it so much, but yeah if there were imagery of the KKK in Final Fantasy 7 in Japan, I think it's reasonable they would remove it from a worldwide release (this isn't true btw, just thought it made a good example). Now changing unnecessary things for the sake of inclusivity, that is where I draw the line. These are videogames, they already appeal to everyone. When I play Spiderman: Miles Morales I don't get mad because the main character is black and American, and I'm a white Canadian, I just play Spiderman because it's fucking Spiderman and God damnit I want to play Spiderman and have a jolly old time. Making games more inclusive is a waste of time and resources, and in the end you'll make more enemies than you will new customers. I'm not sure whose looking at Mega Man and asking "please Capcom, make an African American robot!", Mostly because there is nobody doing that. Also, I'm not sure where any of this is even coming from, remember Capcom is the same game that made Resident Evil 4, RE4 Remake and 5, both games 'woke people' like to claim are racist, so for them to then say "we are trying to be inclusive and change things to match cultures", I'm not really seeing it.
The RE4R director “Ashley wearing a skirt was not realistic, it didnt make sense”
The lamest excuse ever for her design change. In the RE4 story Ashley was on her way to University and then she got abducted. She was dressed for study… how does this not make sense?
Wait what? Where is the source he stated that?
What a great informative and well-researched video! Also, love that there is some rockin' music that's constantly playing in the background, would love to know the name of it.
Wjat is wrong with people being upset because a girl is in the lead. There weren't any complaints in the 90s.
I think is moving away from having attractive women in games to intentionally making them ugly. It's like a bunch of ugly women in real life are jealous and start kicking off. The most recent Star wars game shows that DEI in games is just a reflection of that. Samus and Lara Croft shows that games can be successful cos they are good games. Female lead or not. What is bad in the star wars game is that the actual body model is stunning so it's done intentionally to make her ugly. Just not right
Stellar Blade is the most played demo ever on the PS5. The game stars an attractive woman, and the demo is averaging 50 hours of play per person. You get that? People are playing a DEMO for an average of 50 hours. So no, people aren't upset because a girl is in the lead.
@@jobearesto9746 is she ugly? That's up to perspective, I guess. Either way, why is that such a big deal anyway? It doesn't have any impact on the game. Especially if it's new. The only time it's made sense to complain about was when they changed the Spiderman game to look more like Tom Holland. That was stupid. But it clearly didn't mess with its sales at all.
@@jobearesto9746 is she ugly? That's up to perspective, I guess. Either way, why is that such a big deal anyway? It doesn't have any impact on the game. Especially if it's new. The only time it's made sense to complain about was when they changed the Spiderman game to look more like Tom Holland. That was stupid. But it clearly didn't mess with its sales at all.
@@G360LIVE so then why are they upset?
Long time fan, RGT I love the content and I respect and appreciate your opinion I agree with you brother and I am looking forward to potentially meeting you at too many games!
I think that the problem is with the higher ups. However there are locations teams that change things as evidenced in the Japanese translations in anime. However not everyone will be like that. I think if you concentrate on DEI then gameplay and story like suffers. Just do this to stop this type of behaviour... Wait for reviews/play through. See if it's cr@p then don't buy it. They will get the message
This is truly the Dark Times for gamers
How quickly did Jon send you this tweet?
The only thing we know for sure is at the end of the day we have a Nintendo CZcamsr
Exactly. F the pandering.
The fact that people come after you just for speaking about this, as if you aren't a games journalist or a person who's allowed to have your own opinion, much less cover this topic, legitimately proves how psycho and cult-like those "games journalists" from Twitter are.
Just let people choose if they want to play a certain game...they shouldn't have to change things in the games based on someone's stupid feelings lol...
Not just Capcom, I think learning one of the Asian languages can help with games from any Japanese developers, like many JRPGs take years to come West. Also games like Yakuza and Tsushima , it’s just so weird in English
I respect your opinion, bro. I think a lot of folks have forgotten how to be humans with thoughts and feelings as opposed to a robot having to fit the "appropriate program lest ye be shut down".
You're not understanding. Yes companies have their internal localization teams for years and yes it always has been to not offend anyone outside of Japan. The issue that is what youre not seeing is how much control they are having and how other stuff they are pushing for their personal purpose. Capcom have changed a lot, if iis the worse of all like in the west? Not at all, at least for now, however you can see latley in their games how they are censoring more, even stuff that we could see on international releases in the past. The biggest problem is the people that are on those departments, if we the consumer let them do it and say is ok the more they will continue destroying games, especially now that companies get money for following those changes. I know where youre coming from but, but if you dont want to see Capcom turn into a Disney we need to let them hear us.
People know video games aren't real but any universe they're set in must abide by DEI or whatever PC standard dominates the society of the time. Putting a pride flag on the main antagonist's castle wouldn't offend most people but it doesn't mesh well with the big shots behind DEI, even if it's inclusive.
Yes, I do agree that in corporate structure, the localizer would not have that kind of power. However, the tweet is expressing something else. Based on the tweet, they do have the power to change certain content of the games in order to adapt it to the "environment" the target language is in. Therefore, there are two posibilities: one is the tweet is exagerating their role to make themselves more important than reality or the other is the Capcom localizer have a different structure than the company you chatted with. Since the Capcom localizers are an in-house team, it is more likey than not that they have more power than a contractor company could have.
I'm not sure what their intentions are But they're freezing and verbiage used about every red flag buzzword there is out there.
Indeed the tale as old as time.
They been doing this for years.
Feel like things got little more worse.
Haha Street Fighter. I was a young one when I noticed that change. We, my cousins and myself, thought it was funny. I see now how the change may have been race related, but as kids we thought it was more reality based. In the 90's, we didn't see too many fights between white and black males, and if we did, it wasn't usually shown in that direction. Disclaimer, Just speaking towards events in my area.
I would say yes, you can even tell how they started the change Jill's figure in the Resident Evil 3 remake. Dragon's Dogma 2 made it pretty obvious with certain characters. They're not as bad as some companies but they are definitely going in on it. Their games aren't as good as they used to be anyway. The Resident Evil 4 remake was pretty good but everything else is rather boring.
Not everything needs to be about everybody
If you are a journalist, then you are one of the few good ones.
First I learn Nintendo is hiring a position for a western localizer with a focus on DEI and now Capcom? Saying no to these companies that created my childhood will be like cutting off an arm but I will. I'll just give my money to Atari and Evercade.
Oh no! Not Nintendo! Nintendo of Japan need to force Nintendo of America to have only marketing rights, not any creative freedom.
@polycube868 No it means someone infected with the SJW disease was able to get in. They don't produce entertainment. They only spoil what was great. Rest assured when they start putting gay pride iconography in our games, it will only be for US and European releases. But just like in that new Spiderman game, they will remove it for the Chinese and Middle Eastern markets for the obvious reason. They know pride doesn't sell. They're only doing it for that yummy DEI money.
Nice Vid RGT 85.
Capcom is ok I feel, not too much too worry about guys.
I don't think there is a problem here with Capcom, changing and removing things per Region has being going on since the Year of dot, Censorship is always a bummer but forcing things too be changed and or being Racist towards other ethnics etc, isn't what Gaming is about and I'm not gonna support that.
Next mega man game will be “Mega Person” smh.
Mega Ma’am!
@@CTomCooper how dare you assume their gender 😂
I worked on a tool for Microsoft that let you localize fully compiled binaries.
now this is proper journalism
1:15 - this tweet looks like it was written by an AI, ChatGPT style.
Back then it was done with a light touch, now its just become really ridiculous. But we cant say we should freak out or not yet because capcom has always been great but we'll have to see what the future brings after this recent statement
To be real what's happening in culture... Isn't normal...
Not normal at all
I'm in the middle as well f the left and right sometimes you gotta ride with what you believe in. Both sides bend ppl over way 2 fast, and a lot of them accept it, lol
Both sides are so hard in their political agenda that the truth doesn't even matter anymore. Basically both live in a lie they made up.
I just know they are going to tassels off of Rouge's super form in the new Power Stone game 😔
My favorite Nintendo CZcamsr. Keep being you, my man.
Imagine if Street Fighter 2’s intro had the white guy punching a black woman 😮!
I usually buy the Asian version of games if I find it's been altered or censored. Alot of times you can still even set them to English in the options, so that they do this; I think alot of people have been doing this.
Well, not everything is part of a "culture war." If you talk to the people who actually work in the industry, it might even seem as if almost nothing is--that simple. I cannot think of any public media that does not go through revisions, and is not commented on, or where changes are not suggested or even demanded. Edits, suggestions, and the inclusion of other perspectives and critical feedback is not censorship; its part of production. See theshadowdirector's comments below.
Well it was fun while it lasted….time to move on✌🏽
That what's happened when you listen to America
it's kind of funny if you look at the original character designs of black characters in Street Fighter but reading some of these makes some sense
Woke sucks
Agreed!
What is woke?
@@user-ui1mk8wr3p most can't answer. They just hear buzzwords and regurgitate
@user-ui1mk8wr3p A cult that pushes the message through virtue signaling and forced diversity (through means such as tokenization). On the surface they act all virtuous but underneath they want to force people apart and pander to make it seem not so.
@@jasonbuckenberger3122 A lot of people can answer it because it's easy, woke is a cult.