What are Hypergolic Rocket Fuels? (Other than Explosive, Corrosive, Toxic, Carcinogenic and Orange)

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  • čas přidán 7. 11. 2019
  • Hypergolic fuels are a core technology in rocket science, propellents that will spontaneously combust when mixed together. This makes them attractive for rocket designers, who generally aren't the people who have to get in a the protective gear to load the stuff.
    So, what are they made of, and why do designers pick one option over another?
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Komentáře • 774

  • @DeputatKaktus
    @DeputatKaktus Před 4 lety +933

    Hypergolic fuels: Booms, Bangs and Bottles full of Nope since 1935.

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  Před 4 lety +277

      You should be writing my titles.

    • @toasterbathboi6298
      @toasterbathboi6298 Před 4 lety +90

      "Bottles of nope"
      Absolutely priceless

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA Před 4 lety +36

      With all the things about these hypergolics, they are still the least dangerous ones that are in use, the more exotic ones proved to be a little hard to handle, so the ones that merely dissolve you are the ones in use.

    • @jimmyfreemantle879
      @jimmyfreemantle879 Před 4 lety +3

      @@scottmanley gotta be worth an edit..

    • @PapiSmerf
      @PapiSmerf Před 4 lety +8

      A few more lyrics and this could be sung in the manner of a sea shanty. I'll leave it to more loquacious minds.

  • @nmccw3245
    @nmccw3245 Před 4 lety +92

    “Ignition!” occupies a special place in my library.

    • @arjovenzia
      @arjovenzia Před 4 lety +4

      Defiantly. There is a special shelf for special books. its the only one not stuffed. I build more shelves rather than add an unworthy book to that shelf.

    • @williamgorham7339
      @williamgorham7339 Před 4 lety +2

      NMCCW I am 40 pages into it and can’t seem to put it down! So far it is one of my favorite scientific books due to the sarcasm and humor used throughout the book.

    • @post_hit_invincibility9940
      @post_hit_invincibility9940 Před 3 lety

      Same. It's a gem.

  • @doinker50
    @doinker50 Před 4 lety +307

    Does anyone else kinda feel like sometimes when Scott says "fly safe" its almost like a threat or ominous advice that a supervillian will give?

    • @5Andysalive
      @5Andysalive Před 4 lety +12

      He really likes his flies.

    • @xlynx9
      @xlynx9 Před 4 lety +3

      Not in the least.

    • @quartet111
      @quartet111 Před 4 lety +1

      No. He’s like the nicest guy

    • @ErwinPommel
      @ErwinPommel Před 4 lety +15

      This one was particularly sinister.

    • @JEBavido
      @JEBavido Před 4 lety +2

      His subject brought a pretty grim warning out of him this time.

  • @knightmarex13
    @knightmarex13 Před 4 lety +128

    ah Aerozine 50, the Arnold Palmer of hypergolics

  • @fogllama
    @fogllama Před 4 lety +90

    As Derek Lowe once wrote in his 'Things I Won't Work With' column, "There aren't many gently sloping paths down to nitrogen gas."

    • @throx
      @throx Před 4 lety +21

      Things I Won't Work With is pure writing genius, comparable only with Ignition in its wit, truth and brain-melting terror at what chemists will do. The FOOF article in particular makes me cringe every time.

    • @Kevin_Street
      @Kevin_Street Před 4 lety +1

      That's a great way to put it!

    • @Calilasseia
      @Calilasseia Před 4 lety +13

      I've been a fan of Lowe's for some time. "Sand Won't Save You This time" is a classic. ClF3 provides you with the fun of seeing house bricks and snow burst into flames. Tasty. Oh, by the way, the guy who worked on FOOF, Alexander Streng (aided by his wife - now that's serious love when you're prepared to help your husband work with FOOF) also came up with O2ClF3, the world's only violet coloured oxidising agent. While permanganate has a reddish bias to its purple colour, O2ClF3 is far end of the spectrum violet, even more so than subliming iodine.
      As for the Strengs, Lucia Streng was also a hardcore chemist in her own right. She was the one who synthesised krypton difluoride. Oh to have been a fly on the wall during their dinner time conversations!

    • @Calilasseia
      @Calilasseia Před 4 lety +12

      @@throx ... if you can get a copy of the Streng paper on FOOF, do so. It's hilarious to behold. Mind-buggering chemical insanity, presented in the sort of calm, understated tones more usually associated with discussion of Greek noun declensions. I found a copy, and boy, did this guy know how to make mad science look frighteningly reasonable. The epic level of nonchalance that exudes from the paper, while discussing the sort of chemical reactions that make most sensible people want to be on a different continental land mass, simply has to be seen.

    • @johncrowerdoe5527
      @johncrowerdoe5527 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Calilasseia I wonder if they made O2ClF3 as a quest to create a pretty colour for each other. The oxidation may be a side effect of aiming for specific electron binding levels to get the desired spectral lines.

  • @meldroc
    @meldroc Před 4 lety +160

    When the chemical you're using to make your propellant safer is ***hydrofluoric acid***, that's a rocket fuel I'll take with a tall glass of nope!

    • @icollectstories5702
      @icollectstories5702 Před 4 lety +3

      Less evaporation during transport/storage.👍

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera Před 4 lety +18

      If you think that's bad, you should check out chlorine tri-fluoride. It will spontaneously combust on contact with _sand._ In other words, there is no possible way to extinguish a chlorine tri-fluoride fire.

    • @BloodSprite-tan
      @BloodSprite-tan Před 4 lety

      @@deusexaethera let it burn out. or dose it with water for a show.

    • @meldroc
      @meldroc Před 4 lety +5

      @@deusexaethera The most fun fuel/oxidizer combination for a rocket: chlorine trifluoride and dimethylmercury. Great ISP, at the price of turning your launch pad into a Superfund site, _at best_!!!

    • @5000mahmud
      @5000mahmud Před 4 lety

      meldroc whats the isp?

  • @KiithnarasAshaa
    @KiithnarasAshaa Před 4 lety +188

    "Oh no, we spilled some liquid oxygen! What do we do?"
    "Shut off any ignition sources and leave the area. Just wait it out."

    • @Jonascord
      @Jonascord Před 4 lety +91

      Back When, one of the engineers habitually smoked some kind of old jockstrap/inner tube mix cigars. One of the techs dipped one of these in LOX and left it on the his desk for the engineer to find. When he lit it, it flashed instantly to ash, and took a goodly part of his mustache and eyebrows with it. He took the hint...

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA Před 4 lety +21

      @@Jonascord Did the same, they burn really fast, he got a single puff out of it before it was down to the filter.
      With LOX remember not to use shoe polish, it may not be the best thing. Was filling a LOX tank in the bay, and there was a snake in there. Broke it, as it fell out of the gloves when I grabbed it, and on landing on the floor at cryogenic temperature it broke into pieces.

    • @pulesjet
      @pulesjet Před 4 lety +4

      Check and see if your feet are still there. You would have learned real fast if the ground was fuel contaminated.

    • @arnoldsherrill6305
      @arnoldsherrill6305 Před 4 lety +9

      @@Jonascord I'm wondering who was he employed by the propulsion engineering division of Acme?

    • @Jonascord
      @Jonascord Před 4 lety +5

      @@arnoldsherrill6305 Next Best thing, Lockheed.

  • @yogimarkmac
    @yogimarkmac Před 4 lety +117

    I loved this video. It reminded me of the time way back when I was a kid when I was playing with some friends and we accidentally made a hypergolic mixture. Some other kids had raided a chemical storage building and we had gallon jars of reagent grade acid in just about every basic variety. Quarter of a small test tube filled with nitric acid and other "stuff" went boom. Burned a hole in the ceiling and through one kid's coat giving him the nastiest big green scab. We did a little research and figured out we'd accidentally made rocket fuel, but I had forgot about that until watching the fuming nitric acid in this video. Damn, I had a good childhood.

    • @spambot7110
      @spambot7110 Před 4 lety +17

      i'll bet that kid didn't have a good childhood

    • @Volodimar
      @Volodimar Před 4 lety +6

      Ok, boomer

    • @TalenGryphon
      @TalenGryphon Před 4 lety +24

      Ah back when home chemistry sets for kids were still thought of as a perfectly normal idea.
      I once made a batch of acid (Not sure what kind as this was in the late 80's) knocked the beaker over by accident after dissolving my mixing stick, and subsequently melted a hole in my bedroom carpet. Dad moved a wardrobe over the hole after cleaning up and taking away my chemistry set. That hole might still be there :-)

    • @joshuahyatt9465
      @joshuahyatt9465 Před 2 lety +8

      I wish people could still have childhoods like this

    • @artdonovandesign
      @artdonovandesign Před rokem +1

      You sure did. We did :)

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 Před 4 lety +13

    "Scott Manley, the hypergolucky guy!" (From "happy-go-lucky", in case you've never heard the term before!)
    Excellent video as always, Scott, thanks!

  • @nagualdesign
    @nagualdesign Před 4 lety +22

    If you have to wear a space suit _on Earth_ the design of your spacecraft may need rethinking.

  • @VallornDeathblade
    @VallornDeathblade Před 4 lety +42

    I've been reading Ignition! myself recently. Thank you for recommending it! It's a fantastic book!

  • @BigBrainBrian
    @BigBrainBrian Před 4 lety +6

    I'm a fan of the British Black Arrow's sort-of hypergolic system using the heat (600F) from decomposing H2O2 to auto-ignite the RP-1.

  • @DeadBaron
    @DeadBaron Před 4 lety +40

    Wrote out a long comment on the Me163 and of course you covered it! What an absolutely insane machine. Used two fuels that when mixed they ignited... and the pilot sat in between the tanks in the wings, and right in front of the primitive, unstable rocket motor.
    The Me163 had to be refuelled from two separate trucks that had to stay far away from each other to prevent even the fumes from mixing. One drop in the wrong place, any unnoticed spill before the other fuel was loaded, and BOOM. (One fuel type per wing, they couldn't touch before reaching the rocket motor).
    You had to be a real mad lad to be on the ground crew, and clinically insane to be the pilot.

    • @rocklover7437
      @rocklover7437 Před 4 lety +3

      German test pilot Hanna Reitsch loved that little Aircraft .I think one tried to kill her ?

    • @nanolog522
      @nanolog522 Před 4 lety +3

      Hanna Reitsch crashed several times in the 163, still loved it. If you don't mind it being a flying bomb, especially for the time, it is a brilliant machine.

    • @Thumbsupurbum
      @Thumbsupurbum Před 4 lety +1

      Were German test pilots even allowed to say no to a test flight?

    • @markdavis2475
      @markdavis2475 Před 4 lety +1

      Rock Lover She lost her nose when the 163 crashed. She would only wear a lap strap not a full harness, she smashed into the dashboard.

    • @markdavis2475
      @markdavis2475 Před 4 lety +2

      The BBC TV series “The Secret War” has a great episode with the 163 and interviews with Hannah Reitsch.

  • @samc9516
    @samc9516 Před 4 lety +14

    As a chemist, love these chemistry videos! When I watched that Boeing launch abort test I recognised the gas as NO2, glad you're here to explain how that came about because I was wondering!
    One small point - be careful how you use the terms "strong acid" and "weak acid" because although HF is very reactive it is not technically a strong acid. Strong acids are defined as acids that completely dissociate in water and HF does not because the bond is stronger and has more covalency due to better orbital overlap.
    Further to that, the 1% HF you're talking about is described as a dilute acid because a weak acid is defined as an acid that does not fully dissociate in water.

  • @Br3ttM
    @Br3ttM Před 4 lety +27

    Using HF to protect the rocket plumbing from acid is like using Sodium Fluoride to protect teeth from acid, just a lot more extreme.

    • @robertherndon4351
      @robertherndon4351 Před 4 lety +4

      An odd thing is, it's not really a terribly strong acid; the fluorine wants to hold onto the hydrogen too much. It is really toxic, as are many of the byproducts when it reacts with random molecules, and it particularly attacks skin and glass.

  • @chrisjohnston4445
    @chrisjohnston4445 Před 2 lety +14

    Great explanation, Scott!
    And thanks to all the commenters who suggested John D. Clark's _Ignition!_
    I just bought it for my Kindle, and Asimov's Foreword had me laughing out loud!

    • @darylcheshire1618
      @darylcheshire1618 Před 5 měsíci

      I own the books “The Chemical Elements and Their Compounds” by Neville Sidgewick in 1950. I remember the part about perchloric esters and enjoyed the bit in Ignition! where the author refers to perchloric esters and draws attention to the Sidgewick work and how experimenters wore iron masks.

  • @steverobbins4872
    @steverobbins4872 Před 4 lety +14

    This reminds me of an incident that happened some time back in the 90's when I worked at Rocketdyne in Canoga Park. Two scientists were killed in an explosion when they mixed some chemicals together. I don't know what they were mixing, but the initial story was that they were doing rocket fuel research. Later, the truth came out; they were actually illegally disposing of hazardous chemicals by combustion, and the company used "research" as an excuse to get around environmental laws. This happened at the Santa Suzanna Field Laboratory, which we called "the hill".

  • @williamm6972
    @williamm6972 Před 4 lety +4

    In the Army we had to deal with a lance missile that had malfunctioned. It used UDMH and IRFNA. Both were a bitch because they could compromise the filters in a gas mask and then melt your lungs. We had to use full rubber tap suits with self contained breathing systems just to approach the missile. Then we had to render safe the damaged warhead and retrieve the telemetry package. This was probably the most dangerous thing I did.

  • @JustSomeCanuck
    @JustSomeCanuck Před 4 lety +33

    9:32 - and that's how Scott Manley told North Korea what they were doing wrong...

    • @TheCaphits
      @TheCaphits Před 4 lety +7

      For additional government secrets, look at the recent history of this channel. Scott has been posting some seriously "Should this maybe be classified or something" types of videos lately.
      It isn't classified, but the things he shares are so cool that you think they should be!

    • @douginorlando6260
      @douginorlando6260 Před 4 lety +2

      Scott said they moved on

  • @44R0Ndin
    @44R0Ndin Před 4 lety +3

    We already have a "clean" hypergolic oxidizer. The jetpack they used at the Olympics used it as a monopropellant. It's Hydrogen Peroxide, and at a high enough purity (over 80%) it is referred to as High Test Peroxide, or HTP.
    Very suitable as a rocket fuel oxidizer.
    Problem is, it's not nice stuff to handle, and it's not long-term stable.
    The hydrogen peroxide you can buy in the drug store is 3-5% peroxide with the rest being water.
    Hair-bleach grade peroxide is 10%, and you don't want to spill that on you by accident.
    Peroxide you find in a chemistry lab supply catalog is commonly available up to 30% concentration, and if you get that on you you'll get a chemical burn.
    The rocket grade stuff is potent enough to eat the flesh off of your bones quite rapidly.
    On the bright side, hydrogen peroxide is not stable enough to be poisonous or carcinogenic, and many plants and animals have enzymes specifically to deal with decomposing hydrogen peroxide (so called Peroxidase enzymes).
    The primary problem with HTP is it's stability, or more correctly it's lack of long-term stability. Hydrogen peroxide at any concentration will spontaneously decompose to water and oxygen gas without the presence of a catalyst, so every vessel that is expected to store hydrogen peroxide has some form of pressure-relief valve or pressure accommodating features in it as a safety measure. Hydrogen peroxide is commonly stored in plastic bottles with the top section having a bellows or accordion shape, specifically so the oxygen that forms when hydrogen peroxide decomposes has somewhere to go without making the bottle explode.
    Britain used peroxide in many rocket engines with RP-1, and that combination might as well be hypergolic. Sure, it's not RELIABLY "ignites on contact" hypergolic, but if the peroxide is decomposed by running it thru a catalyst bed the resulting reaction products (water vapor and oxygen gas) exit the catalyst bed at a high enough temperature to ignite the RP-1, which will burn using the oxygen liberated from the peroxide, so you still get the end result of ditching the ignition system (unless you count the catalyst bed, however I don't count that because it's in constant operation while the engine is firing).
    With a similar approach, pretty much any standard non-hypergolic rocket fuel will work with HTP.
    I believe that combining HTP with one of these new green monopropellants would result in a green bipropellant, however I have no idea if anyone has investigated this.
    The reason hydrogen peroxide is not used for rocket oxidizer much today is that it has poor specific impulse. With the same fuel, Liquid Oxygen will provide superior specific impulse compared to H2O2 as you don't have to lug around all that water that can't react with the fuel. When a storeable propellant is needed, UDMH/NTO is preferred because it gives superior performance, however I do believe that there have been rocket engines that used the hypergolic combination of a hydrazine-type fuel and H2O2.

  • @railgap
    @railgap Před 4 lety +2

    We tend to think of hypergolics as highly reactive fuels which ignite upon contact with highly reactive oxidizers, but then there is chlorine trifluoride which is hypergolic with rocket engines, rocket scientists and rocket launch pads...

  • @Equiluxe1
    @Equiluxe1 Před 4 lety +1

    Back in the early 1970's I worked for a watchmaker/jeweler who used fuming nitric acid to clean silver, he would put a little on cotton wool and then wipe the silver with it.He said it spread the silver about,one thing for certain it always gave him sore fingers as he never wore gloves and by the next day was complaining about not being able to work as his fingers were sore. He never learnt I said on many occasions he should wear gloves.

  • @charleslambert3368
    @charleslambert3368 Před 4 lety +116

    Smelly too, in the case of aniline.
    Edit: And no love for Britain's RP-1/HTP engines?
    If you decompose the H2O2, the oxygen and steam are hot enought to be hypergolic with kerosene.

    • @Guru_1092
      @Guru_1092 Před 4 lety +12

      Mhmm. Stink rockets!

    • @spaceenthusiast7160
      @spaceenthusiast7160 Před 4 lety +11

      Your lungs wants to know your location...

    • @WakarimasenKa
      @WakarimasenKa Před 4 lety +20

      Made me think of bombardier beetles. Sadly I couldnt find anything about the specific impulse of their butt explosions on wikipedia.

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow Před 4 lety +9

      They tried things that were far more smelly than aniline... get a copy of "Ignition!", there's a whole chapter titled, "The Hunting of the Hypergol", describing all the crazy things they tried out in the decade after WW2.

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA Před 4 lety +2

      @@WakarimasenKa Don't think it is much, more designed to leave them right there, while the aggressor is desperately wanting to be NOT there.

  • @tinkmarshino
    @tinkmarshino Před 4 lety +4

    Thanks again Scott.. I always wondered about fuels and their properties.. Great class.. I even took notes.. carry on, be safe and have fun doing it!

  • @henrikmiljo
    @henrikmiljo Před 4 lety +3

    Missed these types of videos from Scott lately. Happy it’s back.

  • @heysiri4935
    @heysiri4935 Před 4 lety +3

    Your video about propellants inspired me to start reading "Ignition!", and I literally read the chapter you just covered today!

  • @davidsonike
    @davidsonike Před 4 lety +51

    Starting the weekend with Scott Manley!

    • @tncorgi92
      @tncorgi92 Před 4 lety +6

      Yes, after dealing with all the BS in the daily news, I look forward to some intelligent, factual content from Scott.

    • @douginorlando6260
      @douginorlando6260 Před 4 lety +1

      I wonder how many young people are inspired by this video to become chemists. Scott makes it interesting and walks you through what problems those chemists were solving

  • @icollectstories5702
    @icollectstories5702 Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks for covering red- and white-fuming nitric acid. Long ago, I read references to them, but no one ever explained what they were, and you couldn't find it even in specialty shops! The "fuming" part should have tipped me off.

  • @ChrisMuncy
    @ChrisMuncy Před 4 lety +2

    Great as always Scott. I'm just finishing reading Ignition!: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants and absolutely love it. Fascinating read on the history of rocket fuels.

  • @mimo5383
    @mimo5383 Před 4 lety +1

    The lighting was great and audio better! Content was fantastic as always too :D
    Top work!

  • @PlutothePlanet_
    @PlutothePlanet_ Před 4 lety +63

    I like the word "Hypergolic".

    • @tncorgi92
      @tncorgi92 Před 4 lety +7

      @@metalwhere that's why there are no vampire astronauts.

    • @Lttlemoi
      @Lttlemoi Před 4 lety +6

      I initially thought it was hyper-gaullic, like a spiced up version of Asterix and Obelix.

    • @pluto8404
      @pluto8404 Před 4 lety +1

      Stop being hyperbolic.

    • @aspuzling
      @aspuzling Před 4 lety +1

      But what does it mean?

    • @icollectstories5702
      @icollectstories5702 Před 4 lety

      @@aspuzling Explained here: 0:10

  • @iamthebeelzebub
    @iamthebeelzebub Před 4 lety +15

    A lot of Europe is in a place right know where they would need someone from science instead of a politician.
    Know that I've made my nephews watch these videos of yours and they want to learn so much more.
    Yours sincerely iamthebeelzebub.

    • @nanolog522
      @nanolog522 Před 4 lety +4

      A lot of the world is in dire need of scientists, not just Europe. Look at the US, South America...

    • @tncorgi92
      @tncorgi92 Před 4 lety +3

      Same situation in the U.S. - I feel like we need intelligent content like this before someone outlaws it...

  • @RyuAzuku
    @RyuAzuku Před 4 lety +8

    It's a good day when there's a new Scott Manley video!

  • @floridacapo
    @floridacapo Před 4 lety +1

    Another great video Scott, always enjoy your content. Hope you have a good weekend!

  • @davidgray6999
    @davidgray6999 Před 4 lety

    That was a fantastic summary. This whole area of chemical engineering is pretty much a mystery to most other engineers. I had heard those propellant terms many times over the years without knowing what they really meant. THANKS!!

  • @scottmanley
    @scottmanley  Před 4 lety +2

    Get a limited edition HULLO-39 Kraken T-Shirt (or Hoodie) and help support the channel. www.bonfire.com/hullo-39/

    • @Mythricia1988
      @Mythricia1988 Před 4 lety

      Hey friend, you dropped an *h*

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  Před 4 lety

      @@Mythricia1988 Obviously there were dark forces at work trying to stop this campaign.

  • @brucefelger4015
    @brucefelger4015 Před rokem +1

    The most amazing thing about the Hydrazines is that they figured out how to make them at all. as you say, Hydrazine tends to blow up at the drop of a hat. with a fairly high explosive velocity.

  • @lancasterlabs9599
    @lancasterlabs9599 Před 4 lety +9

    "The real name for Hydrazine is hard to say, but that's the least of your problems" lol

  • @danielduarte6086
    @danielduarte6086 Před 4 lety +4

    ANY other person or CZcamsr would require 1hour to explain it. Scott does the job in 11minutes with lots of it coming from his memory.

    • @JeepWranglerIslander
      @JeepWranglerIslander Před 4 lety +2

      I'm betting he writes a script he's cribbing off of. Not a dig on him, he still has to do the work and put a lot of careful thought into what makes the cut. Succinctness is an underappreciated life skill.

    • @cumguzzler8537
      @cumguzzler8537 Před 3 lety

      @@JeepWranglerIslander he doesn't actually and that just shows that he is in fact a godly manifestation

  • @charlesseymour1482
    @charlesseymour1482 Před 4 lety

    Now this is great stuff. Nobody does rocket science like Scott Manley. Fabulous fuel talk about stuff I really wanted to know. In my job I use strong nitric fuming like this. Never knew about inhibitor system using HF. Golden man! Top drawer!

  • @crcpeart
    @crcpeart Před 4 lety

    Scott - you’re very close to 300,000,000 views on CZcams. 🤯 Congratulations!! And thanks again for all the amazing content.... onwards to 1,000,000,000!! Fly safe!

  • @theredstonehive
    @theredstonehive Před 4 lety +10

    One nice thing is that their mach diamonds look beautiful!

  • @mrbill6287
    @mrbill6287 Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks for the chemistry lesson Scott!

  • @Tiisiphone
    @Tiisiphone Před 4 lety +6

    More of the same in the book "Ignition!" It's a fun book.

  • @C-M-E
    @C-M-E Před 4 lety

    One of the handful of consistent channels where I don't feel less intelligent after watching a video, which is very much appreciated!

  • @gonun69
    @gonun69 Před 4 lety +14

    You didn't mention the nastiest oxidiser of them all: Chlorine Trifluoride
    This stuff makes literally anything a hypergolic fuel.

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  Před 4 lety +9

      That's what this video is all about
      czcams.com/video/_wLk2j7_KB0/video.html

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow Před 4 lety +7

      Chlorine Pentaflouride: all the nastiness of CTF, with 20 seconds better performance. :-)

    • @harbl99
      @harbl99 Před 4 lety +4

      Chlorine Trifluoride: everything is bomb.

    • @JohnSmith-dt1tw
      @JohnSmith-dt1tw Před 4 lety +3

      @@drtidrow "At room temperature it reacts readily with all elements (including otherwise "inert" elements like platinum and gold)"
      Sounds nasty.

    • @Calilasseia
      @Calilasseia Před 4 lety

      @@JohnSmith-dt1tw ... In short ... Reacts with: baryonic matter. :D

  • @arachnenet2244
    @arachnenet2244 Před 4 lety

    Yess more stuff on hypergolics!!! Starting the weekend the right way!

  • @chriholt
    @chriholt Před 4 lety

    Fascinating summary Scott, thanks!

  • @LEDewey_MD
    @LEDewey_MD Před 4 lety +2

    Fascinating stuff! Thanks for this interesting summary! 🚀💥💨

  • @mutomboken
    @mutomboken Před 4 lety

    My favourite video from this channel

  • @LandNfan
    @LandNfan Před 4 lety +1

    I worked around the Titan II when I was in the USAF in the late 1960’s. Those propellant transfer guys didn’t fool around. If you haven’t seen “Command and Control,” the documentary about the time we almost had Armageddon in Arkansas, it is worth the time to watch.

  • @willierants5880
    @willierants5880 Před 4 lety

    Early congrats on 1M subs Scott, it won't be long now. Thanks for all of the great info on our space programs.

  • @Maeyanie
    @Maeyanie Před 4 lety +2

    I'm not a chemistry expert, but I think "nitrogen tetroxide" should be a completely correct name. You can leave out the prefix when it's the "standard" mixture... mononitrogen tetroxide isn't really a thing as far as I can figure, so dinitrogen should be the correct default when you've got four oxygens.

  • @1_2_die2
    @1_2_die2 Před 4 lety +6

    Classic Intro, GREAT =)

  • @benjaminlehmann
    @benjaminlehmann Před 4 lety +4

    Hi Scott. Thanks for the great content. Would you do a video on Reaction Engine's recent success in testing their pre-cooler?

  • @slowerpicker
    @slowerpicker Před 4 lety

    Thanks, Scott. A very professional and understandable video!

  • @JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke
    @JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for this very informative video Scott.

  • @pgoeds7420
    @pgoeds7420 Před 4 lety +2

    4:30 space shuttle in present tense - shall we tell him ?

  • @LeCharles07
    @LeCharles07 Před 4 lety

    When the footage of the dragon capsule escape system test failure came out and people on the news were talking about "clouds of smoke seen for miles" I just remember seeing the footage and saying aloud, "That's not smoke guys; that's nitrogen dioxide." Thanks for the "Ignition" recommendation; I'm so happy it was reprinted.

  • @brett4264
    @brett4264 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks. After one of your recent videos, I was left wondering about the term hypergolic.

  • @gsmontag
    @gsmontag Před 4 lety +1

    Don't forget that the British Black Arrow used a quasi-hypergolic mixture of catalyzed hydrogen peroxide and RP-1. Once passed over a catalyst, HTP decomposes into very hot steam (about 800F IIRC) and molecular oxygen, which readily combusts with RP1 and probably other fuels as well. This remains an under-utilized combination. Yes, it is lower performance, but it more than makes up for it by the lack of cryogenic qualities, low toxicity, and high density.

  • @sanderholmgaard81
    @sanderholmgaard81 Před 4 lety

    I'm currently writing a large assignment on hypergolic fuels. This has been such a good help, since getting a grasp of the subject is.. well, rocket science.

  • @alanbooker
    @alanbooker Před 4 lety

    Never looks away from the camera toward a prompt screen or says "err" whilst searching for the right word. He knows what he is talking about. Respect.

  • @stephenirwin2761
    @stephenirwin2761 Před 4 lety

    Great explanation, as always! Thanks.

  • @TheYear-dm9op
    @TheYear-dm9op Před 4 lety +3

    HF is not a very strong acid, it just happens to be able to etch glass and is very toxic. It's just a tad stronger than formic acid but nowhere near nitric acid. As you go down the halogen group the acids get stronger, so HF is actually the weakest of them, followed by HCl then HBr and HI.
    Fun fact as a side note: that part of the safety data sheet could very well also be from some of the nastier essential oils. (Though pretty much all of them are nasty when concentrated)

    • @gordonrichardson2972
      @gordonrichardson2972 Před 4 lety +1

      TheYear2525 More fun facts: Hydroiodic acid is listed as a U.S. Federal DEA List I Chemical, owing to its use as a reducing agent related to the production of methamphetamine.

  • @the_puzzle3412
    @the_puzzle3412 Před 4 lety +2

    An alternativ to Aerozine 50, used by Ariane 2-4 is UH25, wich is a mix of 75% UDMH with 25% Hydrazine.

  • @Kevin_Street
    @Kevin_Street Před 4 lety

    Thanks for another really fascinating video!

  • @seisette
    @seisette Před 4 lety +3

    Nice, a video on monopropellant should be very interesting too :D

  • @apxpandy4965
    @apxpandy4965 Před 4 lety

    Good explanations - thanks!

  • @alleniverson7774
    @alleniverson7774 Před 4 lety +4

    You are amazing Scott I love space because of you bro

  • @mecha-sheep7674
    @mecha-sheep7674 Před 4 lety +1

    Explosive, Corrosive, Toxic, Carcinogenic and Orange... I did not expected this channel to talk about politic. :D

  • @cokeforever
    @cokeforever Před 4 lety

    very nice explanatory video!

  • @jonashofer
    @jonashofer Před 4 lety +9

    While watching OLF I thought.. 🤔 Hmm I wanna brush up on my knowledge about hypergolics.. Aaaaand Scott just released exactly this 👍

  • @christianscharf3778
    @christianscharf3778 Před 4 lety +17

    Thank you Scott for this very informative video! I would, however, like to point one thing out: Hydrofluoric acid is not particularly strong, it is only about as strong (or, rather, weak) as citric acid. Despite this, it is dangerous to handle since it can penetrate the human skin. Additionally, it is the only acid able to corrode glass.

    • @carljohan9265
      @carljohan9265 Před 3 lety

      imagine what would happen if a rocket fueled with hydrogen and flourine blasted of. The shower of hydrofloric acid wouldn't be so good for the launch pad I'm guessing.

    • @TimPerfetto
      @TimPerfetto Před rokem

      Thank you Schart for this human skin! I would, however, like to handle hydroflouric acid. I think it is the only acid that can corrode (haha) glass omg what a moron sorry had to say something

  • @mohamedfarid7499
    @mohamedfarid7499 Před 4 lety

    Great job for this information

  • @dudybals
    @dudybals Před 4 lety

    Great video, Scott!😍 how about a follow up video about pyrophoric substances?🙌🏼

  • @myblueocean2
    @myblueocean2 Před 4 lety

    Hey Scott, love your vids. Have you ever considered hanging up some sound panels to improve your sound quality? You can also diy them with old towels and cover it with a nice space or kerbal print ;o) Just a thought.

  • @JoshKaufmanstuff
    @JoshKaufmanstuff Před 4 lety

    The knowledge drop is both intense and effortless, must be a Scott Manley video!

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347 Před 4 lety

    Thanks...Scott..!

  • @chris-hayes
    @chris-hayes Před 4 lety +6

    Things spontaneously combusting seems to be a theme in rocket science.

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera Před 4 lety +1

      Rockets, unsurprisingly, have a lot of uses for combustible things.

  • @MohamedKecha
    @MohamedKecha Před 4 lety

    incredible explanation. thank you

  • @laustbjerg4349
    @laustbjerg4349 Před 4 lety

    Hi Scott. I like your videos a lot. I was thinking about how different thrusters work, and about how gimbaling on engines works. Just ideas for upcoming videos? Regards. Laust, Denmark

  • @mariem3800
    @mariem3800 Před 3 lety

    Yup. Used to work with MMH/NTO systems. Fun stories!

  • @absolutelyindustrys5884

    You rock Scott keep it up

  • @star.watchersteven3255

    Scott Manley you are the man

  • @tehbest
    @tehbest Před 4 lety

    I misunderstood the title as being what are some hypergolic fuels that aren't like the rest, but still a good video.

  • @AngelLestat2
    @AngelLestat2 Před 4 lety

    Scott: Make a video on the advantages to remplace hypergolic control thrusters with cryogenic propellants with ignition for RSC and main propulsion, this allows higher isp, is not a nasty stuff and you can use all the fuel you have in what you most need (propulsion or RSC).
    Why few spacecraft took advantage of that? taking into account how easy is to store cryo fuels on space (in case you have clear enough how heat flow work on space, emission coefficients, reflection, etc)

  • @dildoshwagins2222
    @dildoshwagins2222 Před 4 lety +5

    I took a lotta antihistamines and I’m just trying not to fall into my phone but I can oddly comprehend 90% of everything chemistry he’s sayin

    • @dildoshwagins2222
      @dildoshwagins2222 Před 4 lety

      Pete is never wrong it’s my email for Netflix they always hung up on Netflix support

  • @scarecrow1323
    @scarecrow1323 Před 4 lety

    Scott... are you a chemist or an astrophysicist?.. or both? this stuff is friggin awsome. thnx dude.

  • @569139
    @569139 Před 4 lety

    Scott I process E-Waste for precious metals, HNO3 is routinely used by myself to form Aqua regia, also in the separation of Gold from certain base metals. The brownish red gas that is produced in the reaction, is that Nitrogen Dioxide? Great videos! Keep them coming and as always "Fly Safe"!

  • @satyris410
    @satyris410 Před 4 lety

    Fantastic video, I wish you could have mentioned the necessity of sticking with hypergolic fuels for relighting rocket engines without fail. For when you absolutely positively need to get off the surface of the moon. That, and the problems with housing solid rocket motors in orbit.

  • @alexlandherr
    @alexlandherr Před 4 lety +3

    Science Friday with Scott Manley!

  • @pentagramprime1585
    @pentagramprime1585 Před 4 lety

    Just learned what a methyl group is. Thanks Scott!

  • @MrRyanMcCall
    @MrRyanMcCall Před 4 lety

    I sensed this video coming when I saw you discussing this on the Twitter

  • @aBoogivogi
    @aBoogivogi Před 4 lety

    Another fun area where hydrogen peroxide is used, if i remember correctly, are torpedoes. Now those are again often used in subs. So now you have a very reactive substance that releases a ton of hot gas whenever it breaches it's container and it's all contained inside a pressure vessel several hundred meters beneath the surface. Not to mention a lot of these torpedoes used it as an oxidizer so there was lots of fuel for it to react with as well.

  • @Raptorman0909
    @Raptorman0909 Před 4 lety +1

    I'm still waiting to see a clearer explanation of the N2O4 cloud that enveloped the Starliner a few days ago while still in the air. In addition to looking bad my concern is that it may have played a role in the failure of the third parachute. Additionally, when the capsule landed, quite close to the service module, the fumes blew towards the capsule and if they use venting to equalize the capsule pressure so they can open the door then fumes could easily get into the capsule and that would not be good for the crew. Something just didn't look right with the N2O4 cloud as the chutes were deploying.

  • @JKJ360
    @JKJ360 Před 2 lety

    Monomethyl hydrazine and Nitrogen Tetroxide... Fun, fun, fun. Working with that stuff on the shuttle program in the early 90's was exciting.

    • @JimSmithInChiapas
      @JimSmithInChiapas Před rokem

      _"Fun, fun, fun."_ Reminds me of the saying that "Some people need the spice of mortal danger to make life palatable." 🙃

  • @jakubvymola8002
    @jakubvymola8002 Před 4 lety

    2:41 reminded me the "Only the good" episode of Red dwarf, when Rimmer was trying to memorize the name of some compound and then trying to say it.

  • @meldroc
    @meldroc Před 4 lety +11

    When you've got to put on a moonsuit that rivals the newest generation of spacesuits just to be around these chemicals, most people generally look for another line of work.

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA Před 4 lety +5

      Have to be better than a space suit, that only has to withstand direct sunlight and vacuum for a while. The suits need to survive conditions like that in the Jovian upper atmosphere. Jupiter's colours come from having an atmosphere mostly made from all sorts of nasty nitrogen and hydrogen compounds.

  • @giottist3624
    @giottist3624 Před 4 lety +1

    The german DLR made experiments with a mixture of N2O (laughing gas) and ethylene/ethan. The mixture is not hypergolic by itself, but the laughing gas can be decomposed by a catalyst. The decomposition ist exothermic and the gas is hot enough to ingnite the resulting oxygen/fule mixture. Let's call it indirect hypergolic ... Both laughing gas and an ethylene/ethan mixture are only little harmfull to health and environment.