0:00; - Intro 0:21; - Question 1: Are Manchester City and Haaland already the Champions of the English Premier League? 1:14; - Question 2: Is Kalvin Phillips one of the weakest signings of Manchester City in the last couple of years? 3:32; - Question 3: Has Declan Rice made a mistake signing a long-term contract with West Ham United? 4:51; - Question 4: Is Virgil van Dijk better than Rio Ferdinand? 6:17; - Question 5: Is it easier for Virgil van Dijk to play in today’s era? 11:23; - Outro
He's really arguing that Darren Huckerby and Dion Dublin are better footballers than the likes of Mbuemo and Ivan Toney? Wholly disagree. Sure there is less depth now when it comes to Elite forwards. But that's because most teams play with 3 in forward line and not 2. Only 1 central striker now in a 4 3 3. That doesn't mean you don't less defending that in a 4 4 2. Also, when talking about the good (not elite) striker in the league, the likes of Richarlson (when at Everton) and Jiminez (at Wolves) are better overall footballers than a lot of the men he named. James Beattie? Niall Quinn? Dion Dublin? Agbonlahor? 1 season wonders in Kevin Phillips? or AJ? Nah, you're just remembering a lot of these players with nostalgia. AJ is no better than Ivan Toney or even Mitrovic.
He’s talking nonsense, because Heskey, Vassel, Abonglahor etc were not at Villa at the same time. And pretending Boksic was all that is embarrassing - guy scored 22 in 68 at Middlesborough.
@@intellectual_honesty5961 honestly, he is right. Back then, defending was really just a 5 man job. Nowadays, teams work together to defend and attack. It was different back then
Meanwhile Virgil is the best rn and, one day he's playing with Matip, one day Gomez, one day Konate....the big man needs stability. like Ferninand and Vidic
@@hakug2587 both players were magnificent individually (just like VVD). Together they were unstoppable. That’s the most important thing for centre-halves.
Rio played in an era where Inzaghi, R9, Drogba, Totti, Del Piero, Toni, Elber, Makaay etc were running wild. European football was much closer back then in terms of buying power, so naturally more teams had a top striker. Even in the premier league you had some good strikers. Van Dijk faces a Lewa or Benz type rarely. The game is more athletic today, but a lot of those strikers would have made it even today.
Lewa and Benz literally just had a season that none of the players you mentioned ever came even once. I love nostalgia as much as the next person but football is on a completely different level today. Not saying they are better than all those players but it is a fact that strikers now are scoring more goals.
@@broski4570 Strikers now are scoring more because the top defenders aren’t there anymore since modern football requires them to be jack of all trades rather than specialist defenders. R9 did it against the likes of Maldini, Nesta, Ferdinand and vidic, Stam, Hierro, Cannavaro, Thuram, Blanc, Desailly and so many more. Football was played in a different way back then, but most of these guys weren’t just the type to punt it long, they could defend really well and then secondarily bring the ball out. I’ve lived long enough to tell you that I’d take that lot over a lot of modern day defenders.
Rio speaking facts, Even the low tier PL clubs back then had elite strikers that wouldn't be playing for such teams in today's era. Despite all that Rio and Vidic were simply outstanding.
I don't agree. Emile Heskey, Darius Vassell or Andy Johnson would be championship players today. Rio is talking nonsense trying to big up his own era. I admit the big 4 had more deeper teams of quality because it was the era before squad limits and FFP, so Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal could stockpile players, which you can't do with squad limits and FFP today. So there was one point where Arsenal had Henry, Bergkamp Reyes, Van Persie and Adebayor and Walcott all in the same team. You cannot have that much depth now. I think the overall quality of English players is higher today where nearly every English player is international class and more of the world's best foreigners play in the Premier League than the previous eras.
Rio is the most over rated centre back ever.. Before Vidic came to United Rio wasn't playing too well. Vidic made Rio look a much better player than he was. Vidic was class, Rio was ok. Rio is a level below players like Vidic, Van Dijk, Adams, McGrath, Stam, Terry, or Kompany.
@@romulus3345 that’s cap. Vidic definitely upped Rio’s levels but you’re making Rio sound like he wasn’t that great before Nemanja came to UTD. Rio was an excellent defender lot of managers would have loved to have. In your list aside from Jaap Stam or Vidic, Rio is above them considering the teams in PL and UCL back then
This is a brilliant channel. I love how Rio has turned a corner and done so brilliantly on CZcams. Also, it’s amazing that he is so chill with Joel and shows on, let’s be real, this is one of the titans of football. Great work!
RIO we need a classic EPL breakdown , just on overall quality and the great players we had grace the game , too many to mention , Nobby Solano was a name that shot out at me the outside of the boot finish 🥶 !! Any more guys ?????
Rio made great points tbh.. However it is different in different eras.. That is why it is difficult to compare players across different eras.. Eg the role of fullbacks has changed so much between then and now. Player like trent wouldn't have maybe got much chance in the PL back then. He might have played as a RM instead of an RB. Game has changed. Much more reliant on pace and power as opposed to technique. Premier league has always had that but now it has become more and more pronounced.
G Nev said full backs used to focus solely on defending before...AWB would be classed as a dream full back back in the day now he is considered not good enough. Defenders are expected to push up to half way line and defend high, their front protective central midfielders have to leave their CBs unprotected bombing on to press. Defenders have it much harder these days. It isn't a rigid striker they have to face like the days of old, but rather strikers full of movement and pressing. Strikers back then were expected to just stand up top and hope a lucky cross came in lol there were superb players back then but poor coaching. You bad the likes of Dave Jones, Glen Roeder, Peter Reid managing top flight clubs looool these guys wouldn't even be good enough to manage in championship this day and age. Conclusion: defenders have it harder. P.s. lie detector don't lie and Rio knows the points I made are valid and he had Vidic beside him too they had eachother.
Then you get to the champions league and play Filippo Inzaghi, Vieri, Ronaldo R9, Raul, Totti, Batistuta, Adriano, Kaka, Zlatan, Larson, Ronaldinho, and many more. Defenders of nowadays can't be compared to that of old. Football back in the days was knowing how to defend your lines and staying on your feet. But now, as defender, the first quality you need is pace, then ability to pass from behind. What a joke
Rio is damn right. The average level of strikers has dropped down. Nowadays clubs pay millions for players who do not know how to make a Cross or trigger a dangerous free kick in the opposite side.
It hasn’t dropped. What has changed is they are all concentrated in fewer clubs, the ones with all the money. Whereas you’d have had 16 good forwards spread across 10 clubs back then, now 16 good forwards are spread across 5 clubs.
@@cmcg3738 From someone watching a lot of football then and now, it has massively dropped. The absolute number of quality strikers in the league is lower. And most of the "forwards" that play these days are not "strikers" in the classic sense of the number 9. People who stay within the width of the penalty box and bang goals. You don't even need the fingers of both hands to count the real quality strikers in the PL today.
@@cmcg3738 it had dropped and its not even close great points by Rio back then centerbacks was going 1v1 with great players then in the 65 another great forward comes on
The striker paradox is answered in Rios analysis. Every club used to have 2 striker formations. Better striker to CB ratio. Now, there’s only 1 striker and you won’t have much depth since there’s only 1 position to have a sub for. We could argue a potential increase in winger quality
Just the introduction of VAR is enough difference. Take it however you want to. Also, back then defenders can actually tackle compared to nowadays when the softest fouls are given. Defenders also move with hands behind their backs now like they are in the military. I'm not trying to downplay what defenders had to deal with back then coz there were so many strikers back then and they were the main source of goals and most teams have the same pattern of play but now, defenders have so many different types of players to deal with from conventional strikers to unconventional ones, AMFs, wingers scoring freely, even central midfielders hitting double figures(Man city). The era is different with its own challenges
I hear the argument about having to deal with 2 strikers to a certain extent but could it not be said that years ago the wing backs tucked in with a holding mid or 2 protecting the center halves, also I don't remember the center halves up at the half way line with the 2 wing backs bombed on as much with acres of space in behind them like it does be for Liverpool and City in recent years. How would John Terry and Carrvalho (great partnership) cope with playing up on the half way line with all the speed merchants in the current prem even with the weaker teams left isolated vs them?
@@andychristian2195 They were brilliant by the way but when Ashley Cole went to Chelsea he didn't cross the half way line like he had done with Arsenal and when he did it was one wing back up the other would stay. Now picture this Ashley Cole has pushed up as high as left wing forward and at the same time William Gallas or Ivanovic has pushed up at right wing forward, how does Terry and Carrvalho cope on the half way line? And yes Chelsea had some super defensive mids like Makelele and Essein but I guess that Terry and Carrvalho would struggle isolated like that. Terry was an animal in his own box, got his head body everything in to block a shot or cross, I think up on the half way line he would be out of his comfort zone and struggle.
@@kieranb4224 I understand but with makelele and essien in the engine room just like how Gini and fabinho did for Liverpool rarely are they going to be left 1v1 and we forget how csrvalho was a wily defender rarely missed a tackle and read the game brilliantly. Further more imagine leaving any of the current center backs with Thierry Henry? Knife they butter now pair him with a tricky 10 like bergkamp that duo would shred any defence
I hope you know that nowadays, teams play 2 CM right infront of defenders. Back in the days, it was just one. Defenders are more protected now that the old days when you have players like Makelele, Viera, Roy Keane and many more playing the role individually
Jeeeeeez Rios spot on with that striker analysis! Never even thought about how mad those strikers used to be. Every team had those number 9s who could do damageeee. Using that as a foundation Pep has ruined the prem, for better or worse. I used to look forward to watch Match of the day every Saturday, since Pep come in not watched it once. Great style of play not taking anything away. But in my honest opinion the majority of Peps success comes from the media building it up and the weaker mentality of today's player. If teams now a days played to their advantage rather than trying to counter City they'd have more success. Imagine 1st minute of a game Roy Keane goes through Bernado, he's gunna be crying for at least 20minutes. Or Vidic heads a cross out and his head follows through on Haalands crown/temple he's not gunna get back up! Yeah city play good football but I guarantee you make it a fair but physical game they'll go in at half time tweeting about how it's unfair.
The man who humiliated Oliver Kahn. Playing for Bolton. Every team have a world class striker back then. Kevin Davies is decent as well there. But just can't get into England's team
CANT AGREE , THE STRIKERS TODAY MIGHT NOT BE IN 3 AND 4'S BUT WINGERS ARE NOW STRIKERS. EVERY TOP TEAM IN THE WORLD HAVE 3 MAJOR THREATS ALL GAME. IE: MAN CITY HAALAND , FODEN , MAHREZ , GREALISH , ALVAREZ ETC. LFC : SALAH , BOBBY , DIAZ , JOTA , NUNEZ - I GET RIO TRYING HIS BEST TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GREAT. HE HAS TO REMEMBER HE WAS PLAYING IN A TOP TOP TEAM AND HAD WORLD CLASS CB PLAYING ALONGSIDE HIM. VVD STARTED WITH LOVREN :\ - RIO CAME INTO A ALREADY LEAGUE WINNING SIDE , THAT WAS SPENDING MILLIONS WHEN RIVALS ( WENGER ) COULDNT.
Think it's different in the sense the both eras have their own difficulties. For today's defenders, forward players tend to use their pace a lot more than back then and make more direct runs behind the lines.
Lol You have defenders now defending from 40 yards off the goal. It all about intelligence, speed and techniques. Some defenders now be having all these qualities and still not good enough to play at the top. Back in the day it was all about aggression and man-marking. Rio was way ahead of his time but defenders now are better and more complete. Titus bramble was a elite PL league, he won't get past academy football in this era.
Just the introduction of VAR is enough difference. Take it however you want to. Also, back then defenders can actually tackle compared to nowadays when the softest fouls are given.
Its CRAZY when you hear them names of striker from 15 years ago, even the small clubs had world class strikers and not just 1 they had 2, 3 even 4. We look at Mitrovic for Fulham and think its mad that Fulham have got a world class goalscorer, 15 years ago they had strikers like Luis Saha, Clint Dempsey, Luis Boa Morte, Bobby Zamora, Dimitar Berbatov ect.... we forget just how many sick strikers there were back then in the 442 era. now teams are playing 433 you only need 2 or 3 good strikers in your squad bcus only 1 plays at one time., back then you needed 4 or 5 minimum.
How many players from Brighton Leicester man city palace teams from 15 years ago would get into current team certain teams got better over years and other got bad can't compare villa 15 years ago to current one
He’s not bro. Yeah, I know he won player of the year and is no doubt a top 3 CB, if not number 1, but prime Rio was insane. Messi even had a difficult time against him. Yes, attacking players always have the advantage over defenders, because they are the ones that move the ball, and the defenders can only react to that (where the attacker puts the ball), but Rio was very good at reading an attackers movement and anticipated things very well. Rio was elite in the air. He was also very very fast and a very good passer for his position
Virgil also faces alot big players such as messi, neymar, mebappe, ronaldo, modric, toni, aguero, etc some of them won 4 or 5 champion league but neither of them were good against virgil
But that's champion's league. This is even just domestically a different ball park. And Rio routinely featured in champions league and made 3 CL finals, some against prime Messi. Van Djik is certainly good, but things probably were harder back then
I think that on that era players overall was better than now ,we talking about strikers and defenders ....you forget there was offensive middlefilders top........Alen Boksic on his prime was unstoppable....thats fact
You trying to tell me Heskey, Vassell and Agbonlahor are better than Ings, Vardy or Callum Wilson? And they're starting for say Chelsea or Arsenal rn?? Do me a favour lol (that said, he could have said Viduka, Anelka, Defoe or Hasselbaink and the statement would have held a lot more water)
Gary Neville said full backs used to focus solely on defending before...AWB would be classed as a dream full back back in the day now he is considered not good enough. Defenders are expected to push up to half way line and defend high, their front protective central midfielders have to leave their CBs unprotected bombing on to press. Defenders have it much harder these days. It isn't a rigid striker they have to face like the days of old, but rather strikers full of movement and pressing. Strikers back then were expected to just stand up top and hope a lucky cross came in lol there were superb players back then but poor coaching. You bad the likes of Dave Jones, Glen Roeder, Peter Reid managing top flight clubs looool these guys wouldn't even be good enough to manage in championship this day and age.
@@dcarlyle3390 Are u fukin insane? if i will stop drugs, i will go in rage too smart. noone needs that :D i am even afraid from myself =D But RIO YES MY MAN. It was like a dream when I with no serious reason started to follow Man Utd at 2003/04 season. God. wtf !!! :D it was funny to realize only years after, what about this team even is! Glazers go Out, please!
Come off it Rio, VD week in week out is like Ferdinand and Vidic on their best day combined, with the game reading ability of Maldini. I seen Rio and Vidic getting turned over on many occasions, I've only ever seen VD get dribbled past twice and I've never seen him lose a header.
It’s so sad that Sven ruined Rio international career - Rio was Bobby Moore 2.0 but Sven snookered him- threatened to drop him if Rio kept making brilliant runs & passes like Mooro. We baggies fans love Rio - hope he leads us to FA cup final victory very soon - hope he buys WBA very soon - Glaziers will never sell Man U coz it’s a huge ATM money making machine for them
Rio played at a time when United were the financial powerhouses and no one could compete, Virgil’s playing with much better competition as majority of the teams now are owned by very rich owners and top players are brought by them all. Dutch maestro is miles ahead of him
Incorrect - Chelsea and Manchester city were both financially outspending United and many won't want to admit it, but Liverpool also outspent United during the 00s (and 90s).
@@5magazine I know this is his channel but please keep it respectable and don’t cherry pick. At the time Rio signed, they were definitely the powerhouses - that shifted over from Liverpool slowly in the 90’s. Chelsea and Man City then spent to catch up to United. Either way, right now, every team in the premier league bar 3 can buy top players from other leagues. It has NEVER been like this.
VVD have to handle the pressure at top level every season consistently, can he? And remember the fact Allison saved liverpool more often than not, otherwise VVD will be considered lower ranked. Still, a fantastic defender but nowhere near Rio, Vidic, Terry, Adams, Maldini and even Kompany. Then below them, is Virgil Van Dijk.
As good as Virgil is, even at the best we've seen him so far, he's not better than Rio was. Rio could beat you many ways. Intelligence, Speed, positioning, strength and wasn't afraid to get physical. Passing range and advancing the ball was top level. Presence, vocal, leader. My fave Premier league Defender. Big up Vidic Too!
Virgil has the best stats ever for defender in the world, where for 2 years no striker completed a successful dribble against him. Ferdinand was never up at this level of dominance.
Admired how Van Dijk play but Rio is another animal. People disregard Rio because Vidic "stands out" more for his bone crunching tackles and duels. But people forget Rio partnered with other players like Silvestre, O'Shea, Blanc successfully as well. Rio can take on the most dangerous players like Ronaldinho and lead the line with excellent positioning.
Yep defending 2 v 2 but you also had the help of your full backs tucked in. Imagine Rio next to Trent bombing on in the same line as front 3. Rio defo losing his mind over that, Vidic be all over the gaff 🤣
Let's keep the anger directed where it needs to be always, the owners. The players are a disgrace but we don't have any of them starting if we were well run all these years.
i get what he’s saying about teams having so many strikers but look how many goals they got, clubs back then needed 2 starting strikers as they played with 2 strikers, then u had a sub for most games and another 1 or 2 for depth, yes the old strikers were better and there was more but there was also more chance for strikers to shine, origi would’ve started upfront with firmino in an old system and if he had more chances he could’ve shined and be seen as a great striker but once a team has a great striker today they start for a while until they’re not good
Rio has 6 premier league titles , van vijk only has 1 😂😂😂. Vvd will retire with only 1 pl title . The man united team from 2006 - 2011 achieved more than the Liverpool team of 2017 - 2022 . 3 premier titles in a row , 3 champions league finals in that time also. Man united were only second best to peps Barca, Liverpool have never dominated in this era , they have 1 Premier league and 1 champions . And there fans seem to they’re the best premier league side ever
Yes. It's easy to reach the top. But it's not easy to stay at the top through different generations and partners. Rio did that. And he have the clutch instinct to show up when it matters most
0:00; - Intro
0:21; - Question 1: Are Manchester City and Haaland already the Champions of the English Premier League?
1:14; - Question 2: Is Kalvin Phillips one of the weakest signings of Manchester City in the last couple of years?
3:32; - Question 3: Has Declan Rice made a mistake signing a long-term contract with West Ham United?
4:51; - Question 4: Is Virgil van Dijk better than Rio Ferdinand?
6:17; - Question 5: Is it easier for Virgil van Dijk to play in today’s era?
11:23; - Outro
Glazers OUT
The breaking down of the strikers of old for every Club was lit 🔥.
He's really arguing that Darren Huckerby and Dion Dublin are better footballers than the likes of Mbuemo and Ivan Toney? Wholly disagree.
Sure there is less depth now when it comes to Elite forwards.
But that's because most teams play with 3 in forward line and not 2. Only 1 central striker now in a 4 3 3. That doesn't mean you don't less defending that in a 4 4 2.
Also, when talking about the good (not elite) striker in the league, the likes of Richarlson (when at Everton) and Jiminez (at Wolves) are better overall footballers than a lot of the men he named. James Beattie? Niall Quinn? Dion Dublin? Agbonlahor? 1 season wonders in Kevin Phillips? or AJ? Nah, you're just remembering a lot of these players with nostalgia. AJ is no better than Ivan Toney or even Mitrovic.
Still didn't score as many as teams today.. all those amazing strikers
He’s talking nonsense, because Heskey, Vassel, Abonglahor etc were not at Villa at the same time. And pretending Boksic was all that is embarrassing - guy scored 22 in 68 at Middlesborough.
@@intellectual_honesty5961 honestly, he is right. Back then, defending was really just a 5 man job. Nowadays, teams work together to defend and attack. It was different back then
He hyped these strikers too much, agbonlahor wasn’t better than Ings of today
Ferdinand and Vidic. Backbone of a glorious era.
Meanwhile Virgil is the best rn and, one day he's playing with Matip, one day Gomez, one day Konate....the big man needs stability. like Ferninand and Vidic
@@hakug2587 both players were magnificent individually (just like VVD). Together they were unstoppable. That’s the most important thing for centre-halves.
They had eachother ....Rio knows and the lie detector test exposed him
Rio played in an era where Inzaghi, R9, Drogba, Totti, Del Piero, Toni, Elber, Makaay etc were running wild. European football was much closer back then in terms of buying power, so naturally more teams had a top striker. Even in the premier league you had some good strikers.
Van Dijk faces a Lewa or Benz type rarely. The game is more athletic today, but a lot of those strikers would have made it even today.
Lewa and Benz literally just had a season that none of the players you mentioned ever came even once.
I love nostalgia as much as the next person but football is on a completely different level today.
Not saying they are better than all those players but it is a fact that strikers now are scoring more goals.
@@broski4570 Strikers now are scoring more because the top defenders aren’t there anymore since modern football requires them to be jack of all trades rather than specialist defenders. R9 did it against the likes of Maldini, Nesta, Ferdinand and vidic, Stam, Hierro, Cannavaro, Thuram, Blanc, Desailly and so many more.
Football was played in a different way back then, but most of these guys weren’t just the type to punt it long, they could defend really well and then secondarily bring the ball out. I’ve lived long enough to tell you that I’d take that lot over a lot of modern day defenders.
@@broski4570 R9 1996/97?
Can write all the essays you like the lie detector test don't lie!!! Even Rio deep down doesn't believe he is better than Virg.
And he did they lost 5-2
Rio speaking facts, Even the low tier PL clubs back then had elite strikers that wouldn't be playing for such teams in today's era. Despite all that Rio and Vidic were simply outstanding.
I don't agree. Emile Heskey, Darius Vassell or Andy Johnson would be championship players today. Rio is talking nonsense trying to big up his own era. I admit the big 4 had more deeper teams of quality because it was the era before squad limits and FFP, so Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal could stockpile players, which you can't do with squad limits and FFP today. So there was one point where Arsenal had Henry, Bergkamp Reyes, Van Persie and Adebayor and Walcott all in the same team. You cannot have that much depth now. I think the overall quality of English players is higher today where nearly every English player is international class and more of the world's best foreigners play in the Premier League than the previous eras.
Yet literally the city and Liverpool teams of today would literally streamroll past all the teams in the past
Rio is the most over rated centre back ever.. Before Vidic came to United Rio wasn't playing too well. Vidic made Rio look a much better player than he was. Vidic was class, Rio was ok. Rio is a level below players like Vidic, Van Dijk, Adams, McGrath, Stam, Terry, or Kompany.
The quality of Squad depth was truly insane for PL clubs back then. Now it’s just a boring two way race between City and Liverpool.
@@romulus3345 that’s cap. Vidic definitely upped Rio’s levels but you’re making Rio sound like he wasn’t that great before Nemanja came to UTD. Rio was an excellent defender lot of managers would have loved to have. In your list aside from Jaap Stam or Vidic, Rio is above them considering the teams in PL and UCL back then
This is a brilliant channel. I love how Rio has turned a corner and done so brilliantly on CZcams. Also, it’s amazing that he is so chill with Joel and shows on, let’s be real, this is one of the titans of football. Great work!
Great channel, and entertaining. Could finally unsub from united stand, needed a another channel who aims at a more adult population of the fanbase.
The Virgil and Rio bromance continues 😂. Imagine those two playing together 🔥
Ferdinand played with Vidic,who is an animal and preferably better than Van Dijk.
Not a bromance tho is it. One of them is clearly rattled by the other.
They're pretty much similar style player, would work well..
RIO we need a classic EPL breakdown , just on overall quality and the great players we had grace the game , too many to mention , Nobby Solano was a name that shot out at me the outside of the boot finish 🥶 !! Any more guys ?????
Premiership strike depth back in the day:
Man Utd - Hughes, McClair, Cantona, Dublin, Cole, Robins.
Spurs - Defoe, Keane, Berbatov/later on Pavlyuchenko, Crouch
Sunderland - Philips, Dichio, Quinn, Marcus Stewart
Chelsea - Casiraghi, Zola, Weah, Sutton, Ambrosini, Flo
Tottenham - Klinsmann, Sheringham, Barmby, Dumitrestcu, Rosenthal
Liverpool -Rush, Aldridge, Beardsley, Speedie, Barnes
You just summed up the problem with these comparisons. You just combined about 25 years of football and called it one era.
Rio made great points tbh..
However it is different in different eras..
That is why it is difficult to compare players across different eras..
Eg the role of fullbacks has changed so much between then and now. Player like trent wouldn't have maybe got much chance in the PL back then. He might have played as a RM instead of an RB.
Game has changed. Much more reliant on pace and power as opposed to technique. Premier league has always had that but now it has become more and more pronounced.
Well said , weapons all over the pitch now not just a no 9 .
G Nev said full backs used to focus solely on defending before...AWB would be classed as a dream full back back in the day now he is considered not good enough. Defenders are expected to push up to half way line and defend high, their front protective central midfielders have to leave their CBs unprotected bombing on to press. Defenders have it much harder these days. It isn't a rigid striker they have to face like the days of old, but rather strikers full of movement and pressing. Strikers back then were expected to just stand up top and hope a lucky cross came in lol there were superb players back then but poor coaching. You bad the likes of Dave Jones, Glen Roeder, Peter Reid managing top flight clubs looool these guys wouldn't even be good enough to manage in championship this day and age. Conclusion: defenders have it harder. P.s. lie detector don't lie and Rio knows the points I made are valid and he had Vidic beside him too they had eachother.
Demba ba and cisse Newcastle was lit as well🔥
Then you get to the champions league and play Filippo Inzaghi, Vieri, Ronaldo R9, Raul, Totti, Batistuta, Adriano, Kaka, Zlatan, Larson, Ronaldinho, and many more. Defenders of nowadays can't be compared to that of old. Football back in the days was knowing how to defend your lines and staying on your feet. But now, as defender, the first quality you need is pace, then ability to pass from behind. What a joke
Rio is damn right.
The average level of strikers has dropped down.
Nowadays clubs pay millions for players who do not know how to make a Cross or trigger a dangerous free kick in the opposite side.
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It hasn’t dropped. What has changed is they are all concentrated in fewer clubs, the ones with all the money. Whereas you’d have had 16 good forwards spread across 10 clubs back then, now 16 good forwards are spread across 5 clubs.
@@cmcg3738 From someone watching a lot of football then and now, it has massively dropped. The absolute number of quality strikers in the league is lower. And most of the "forwards" that play these days are not "strikers" in the classic sense of the number 9. People who stay within the width of the penalty box and bang goals.
You don't even need the fingers of both hands to count the real quality strikers in the PL today.
@@cmcg3738 it had dropped and its not even close great points by Rio back then centerbacks was going 1v1 with great players then in the 65 another great forward comes on
@@watching789 but strikers now are more better… stop capping. Back then a 20 goal a season striker is world class, now it’s average
The striker paradox is answered in Rios analysis. Every club used to have 2 striker formations. Better striker to CB ratio. Now, there’s only 1 striker and you won’t have much depth since there’s only 1 position to have a sub for. We could argue a potential increase in winger quality
And fullbacks
Yeah wingers, fullbacks and the midfielders are on another level in todays game.
@@alexmedina1465 nah not really only a select few imo
True! The amount of strikers back in the day, compared to now is nuts.. True dat.
The breakdown of the strikers was good until he said agbonlahor and John carew play for top 6 teams in this era😂
Definitely making out like he had 38 impossibly hard games against these bang average strikers haha
And said Dugarry and Johnson one left the year the other signed 😂 oh and Juninho wasn’t a striker. Talking absolute shite!
Rio must’ve failed his boxing fitness test smoking skunk if he thinks that, saying dugarry and Andy Johnson are top strikers 😂😂😂
tbf Nketiah is Arsenal's number 2. He's probably playing in the Championship 10-20 years ago.
Just the introduction of VAR is enough difference. Take it however you want to.
Also, back then defenders can actually tackle compared to nowadays when the softest fouls are given.
Defenders also move with hands behind their backs now like they are in the military.
I'm not trying to downplay what defenders had to deal with back then coz there were so many strikers back then and they were the main source of goals and most teams have the same pattern of play but now, defenders have so many different types of players to deal with from conventional strikers to unconventional ones, AMFs, wingers scoring freely, even central midfielders hitting double figures(Man city).
The era is different with its own challenges
Miss Ferdinand and Vidic duo
Big RIO Ferdy.....hands down one of the best defenders to ever pull on a red devils jersey!!!
Great point bring 2 up front great times and true battles
I hear the argument about having to deal with 2 strikers to a certain extent but could it not be said that years ago the wing backs tucked in with a holding mid or 2 protecting the center halves, also I don't remember the center halves up at the half way line with the 2 wing backs bombed on as much with acres of space in behind them like it does be for Liverpool and City in recent years.
How would John Terry and Carrvalho (great partnership) cope with playing up on the half way line with all the speed merchants in the current prem even with the weaker teams left isolated vs them?
Csrvalho and Terry with Ashley cole and a RB with makelele holding ....they would easily deal with it at the halfway line
@@andychristian2195 They were brilliant by the way but when Ashley Cole went to Chelsea he didn't cross the half way line like he had done with Arsenal and when he did it was one wing back up the other would stay.
Now picture this Ashley Cole has pushed up as high as left wing forward and at the same time William Gallas or Ivanovic has pushed up at right wing forward, how does Terry and Carrvalho cope on the half way line? And yes Chelsea had some super defensive mids like Makelele and Essein but I guess that Terry and Carrvalho would struggle isolated like that.
Terry was an animal in his own box, got his head body everything in to block a shot or cross, I think up on the half way line he would be out of his comfort zone and struggle.
@@andychristian2195 It's just some food for thought
@@kieranb4224 I understand but with makelele and essien in the engine room just like how Gini and fabinho did for Liverpool rarely are they going to be left 1v1 and we forget how csrvalho was a wily defender rarely missed a tackle and read the game brilliantly. Further more imagine leaving any of the current center backs with Thierry Henry? Knife they butter now pair him with a tricky 10 like bergkamp that duo would shred any defence
I hope you know that nowadays, teams play 2 CM right infront of defenders. Back in the days, it was just one. Defenders are more protected now that the old days when you have players like Makelele, Viera, Roy Keane and many more playing the role individually
I really liked Villa under Martin O'Neill with those strikers
Rio was and always will be better
He can defend and play effortlessly
Even Pele loved the way he stood up with England in Japan
Jeeeeeez Rios spot on with that striker analysis! Never even thought about how mad those strikers used to be. Every team had those number 9s who could do damageeee.
Using that as a foundation Pep has ruined the prem, for better or worse. I used to look forward to watch Match of the day every Saturday, since Pep come in not watched it once. Great style of play not taking anything away. But in my honest opinion the majority of Peps success comes from the media building it up and the weaker mentality of today's player. If teams now a days played to their advantage rather than trying to counter City they'd have more success. Imagine 1st minute of a game Roy Keane goes through Bernado, he's gunna be crying for at least 20minutes. Or Vidic heads a cross out and his head follows through on Haalands crown/temple he's not gunna get back up! Yeah city play good football but I guarantee you make it a fair but physical game they'll go in at half time tweeting about how it's unfair.
Who else went to find Rio’s 15 minute highlight reel after watching this?
Looool Joel trying to end the show early but Rio keeps speaking 😅
Rio Ferdinand explaining the strikers point and counting lists of strikers back in his era.
Guy in front of the computer: probably playing Tetris.
Jay Jay okocha was at bloody Bolton😂😂😂 back in the day was tough
The man who humiliated Oliver Kahn. Playing for Bolton. Every team have a world class striker back then. Kevin Davies is decent as well there. But just can't get into England's team
Rio was one of the best to do it in England 🇬🇧
England🇬🇧🔥
He was the best
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when is it Joel's time to be answering questions from Rio
CANT AGREE , THE STRIKERS TODAY MIGHT NOT BE IN 3 AND 4'S BUT WINGERS ARE NOW STRIKERS. EVERY TOP TEAM IN THE WORLD HAVE 3 MAJOR THREATS ALL GAME. IE: MAN CITY HAALAND , FODEN , MAHREZ , GREALISH , ALVAREZ ETC. LFC : SALAH , BOBBY , DIAZ , JOTA , NUNEZ - I GET RIO TRYING HIS BEST TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GREAT. HE HAS TO REMEMBER HE WAS PLAYING IN A TOP TOP TEAM AND HAD WORLD CLASS CB PLAYING ALONGSIDE HIM. VVD STARTED WITH LOVREN :\ - RIO CAME INTO A ALREADY LEAGUE WINNING SIDE , THAT WAS SPENDING MILLIONS WHEN RIVALS ( WENGER ) COULDNT.
Totally agree with Rio so today's game is totally different as it was 10 or 15 years ago. In my opinion, for a defender is easier now than years ago
Think it's different in the sense the both eras have their own difficulties.
For today's defenders, forward players tend to use their pace a lot more than back then and make more direct runs behind the lines.
Lol
You have defenders now defending from 40 yards off the goal. It all about intelligence, speed and techniques. Some defenders now be having all these qualities and still not good enough to play at the top. Back in the day it was all about aggression and man-marking. Rio was way ahead of his time but defenders now are better and more complete. Titus bramble was a elite PL league, he won't get past academy football in this era.
Facts... Different level.... Back in the day it was specialists .... Killers... Nowadays mostly fit link players
Caught him out with that Virgil one. 😂
Rio was much better , also there were other great CB’s around in Rios time, yet rio still proved to be the best of the bunch
@@lukecarvill7721 well Rio doesn’t believe that lol
@@lukecarvill7721 Terry was better than Rio. Rio was the better of the two with the ball at his feet, but wasn't as solid defensively.
What happened to you doing a Karim benzema interview??? I’m still waiting Rio
You lot brought in Brendan Rogers to work the lie detector machine? Wow
Glad someone said it🤣
😂 Bc, I was thinking where have I seen this guy, oh he was our gaffar prior to Klopp
4:51 is when Rio took it personally.
Just the introduction of VAR is enough difference. Take it however you want to.
Also, back then defenders can actually tackle compared to nowadays when the softest fouls are given.
Its CRAZY when you hear them names of striker from 15 years ago, even the small clubs had world class strikers and not just 1 they had 2, 3 even 4. We look at Mitrovic for Fulham and think its mad that Fulham have got a world class goalscorer, 15 years ago they had strikers like Luis Saha, Clint Dempsey, Luis Boa Morte, Bobby Zamora, Dimitar Berbatov ect.... we forget just how many sick strikers there were back then in the 442 era. now teams are playing 433 you only need 2 or 3 good strikers in your squad bcus only 1 plays at one time., back then you needed 4 or 5 minimum.
Bro u had Mickel forsell who played for Birmingham too and what about Bolton ivan campo,Jay Jay ococha youri djokieef
Mark Viduka,Anelka,Berkamp*,Beattie,Phillips,Shearer,Andy cole,Andy Johnson,Alan smith(at leeds) Fowler,TT,Ruud,Charlton cole,Defoe,Hasselbank*,......
special mention ;
Carew,Goater,Davies,Lua Lua,Cahill, Vassels,
Can't forget Hasselbaink, Zola, Flo, Gudjonsen (can't spell it, not a Chelsea fan 🤣), so many more. Man like Viduka uno!
How many players from Brighton Leicester man city palace teams from 15 years ago would get into current team certain teams got better over years and other got bad can't compare villa 15 years ago to current one
Good this
Who does this guy think he is.....kin FBI!! 😂😂 "I ask you again"
He’s not bro. Yeah, I know he won player of the year and is no doubt a top 3 CB, if not number 1, but prime Rio was insane. Messi even had a difficult time against him. Yes, attacking players always have the advantage over defenders, because they are the ones that move the ball, and the defenders can only react to that (where the attacker puts the ball), but Rio was very good at reading an attackers movement and anticipated things very well. Rio was elite in the air. He was also very very fast and a very good passer for his position
Virgil also faces alot big players such as messi, neymar, mebappe, ronaldo, modric, toni, aguero, etc some of them won 4 or 5 champion league but neither of them were good against virgil
But that's champion's league. This is even just domestically a different ball park. And Rio routinely featured in champions league and made 3 CL finals, some against prime Messi. Van Djik is certainly good, but things probably were harder back then
Rio was against prime Messi and Ronaldo wtf u talking about dude 😂..van dijk faced a 31 yrs old Messi and also Ronaldo who was on his 30's
@@harinhari7903well rio is rubbish 🗑 he didn't face real legends such as Maradona Pele, zico, platini lolol
I think that on that era players overall was better than now ,we talking about strikers and defenders ....you forget there was offensive middlefilders top........Alen Boksic on his prime was unstoppable....thats fact
ravinelli , one season in 1996 sure rio remembers it well , lol lie detector should of went off
You trying to tell me Heskey, Vassell and Agbonlahor are better than Ings, Vardy or Callum Wilson? And they're starting for say Chelsea or Arsenal rn?? Do me a favour lol (that said, he could have said Viduka, Anelka, Defoe or Hasselbaink and the statement would have held a lot more water)
Gary Neville said full backs used to focus solely on defending before...AWB would be classed as a dream full back back in the day now he is considered not good enough. Defenders are expected to push up to half way line and defend high, their front protective central midfielders have to leave their CBs unprotected bombing on to press. Defenders have it much harder these days. It isn't a rigid striker they have to face like the days of old, but rather strikers full of movement and pressing. Strikers back then were expected to just stand up top and hope a lucky cross came in lol there were superb players back then but poor coaching. You bad the likes of Dave Jones, Glen Roeder, Peter Reid managing top flight clubs looool these guys wouldn't even be good enough to manage in championship this day and age.
8:57 is funny lol
" grealish is gonna be a problem" yeah for city 😆😆
Grealish won't be a problem
His good point but back than Aston villa were a good team city weren't around teams like Leicester Brighton palace overtaken them villa recently
Rio's game reading, heading and passing was at the top. You can not say it about Virgil or can you? I think Rio was more athletic, too.
Get off the drugs
@@dcarlyle3390 Are u fukin insane? if i will stop drugs, i will go in rage too smart. noone needs that :D i am even afraid from myself =D But RIO YES MY MAN. It was like a dream when I with no serious reason started to follow Man Utd at 2003/04 season. God. wtf !!! :D it was funny to realize only years after, what about this team even is! Glazers go Out, please!
I love these unscripted chats … I counted "no disrepect" 5 times from Rio. Joel, Yes or No, do you consider that disrespectful 🤔
Come off it Rio, VD week in week out is like Ferdinand and Vidic on their best day combined, with the game reading ability of Maldini. I seen Rio and Vidic getting turned over on many occasions, I've only ever seen VD get dribbled past twice and I've never seen him lose a header.
When u think about it. Rio is right. I can't believe the attacker we had.
He didn't even mention strikers like Drogba or Torres....😅
Man united had Rooney ,Ronaldo, Tevez,Berbetov Virgil van dijk would panick the whole 90 minutes 😂
It’s so sad that Sven ruined Rio international career - Rio was Bobby Moore 2.0 but Sven snookered him- threatened to drop him if Rio kept making brilliant runs & passes like Mooro. We baggies fans love Rio - hope he leads us to FA cup final victory very soon - hope he buys WBA very soon - Glaziers will never sell Man U coz it’s a huge ATM money making machine for them
Should have asked if you did take drugs or not 😂
I when straight to @4.51 …anyway Ferdinand was class back then!!
Rio played at a time when United were the financial powerhouses and no one could compete, Virgil’s playing with much better competition as majority of the teams now are owned by very rich owners and top players are brought by them all.
Dutch maestro is miles ahead of him
Incorrect - Chelsea and Manchester city were both financially outspending United and many won't want to admit it, but Liverpool also outspent United during the 00s (and 90s).
@@5magazine I know this is his channel but please keep it respectable and don’t cherry pick. At the time Rio signed, they were definitely the powerhouses - that shifted over from Liverpool slowly in the 90’s. Chelsea and Man City then spent to catch up to United. Either way, right now, every team in the premier league bar 3 can buy top players from other leagues. It has NEVER been like this.
They look good in euro.. bt they nt cnsistent enuf in epl..most of england players.
Comment before start watching. VVD not even close to compete with Rio. Not even close
Rio and Vida were the best in the history of the league
VVD have to handle the pressure at top level every season consistently, can he? And remember the fact Allison saved liverpool more often than not, otherwise VVD will be considered lower ranked. Still, a fantastic defender but nowhere near Rio, Vidic, Terry, Adams, Maldini and even Kompany. Then below them, is Virgil Van Dijk.
Van dijk vs drogba would of been an amazing watch
8:55. He has no clue who Rio is talking about 😂
Gabby Abonglahor a quality striker? 😁😂😂
Joel didn't even thank or acknowledge the lie detector guy. If it was a 'brutha' I'm sure he would have done .
vidic better than both of them, imo the best epl cb ever
Why did he say yes to the first question lol if that’s how he felt
As good as Virgil is, even at the best we've seen him so far, he's not better than Rio was. Rio could beat you many ways. Intelligence, Speed, positioning, strength and wasn't afraid to get physical. Passing range and advancing the ball was top level. Presence, vocal, leader. My fave Premier league Defender. Big up Vidic Too!
Virgil has the best stats ever for defender in the world, where for 2 years no striker completed a successful dribble against him. Ferdinand was never up at this level of dominance.
Not even better at his peak?
VVD 2019: PL POTY, second in ballon dor
Admired how Van Dijk play but Rio is another animal. People disregard Rio because Vidic "stands out" more for his bone crunching tackles and duels. But people forget Rio partnered with other players like Silvestre, O'Shea, Blanc successfully as well. Rio can take on the most dangerous players like Ronaldinho and lead the line with excellent positioning.
No
Rio was a beast
Very good point made by Rio with forwards back the.
I mean, YIKES. 😕
n*
Not even close , Rio played in the golden era of the premier league, maybe the golden era of football.
The answer is yes.
Kalvin Philips in the last 2 years was better then Fernandinho was. So it’s an upgrade
Grealish indeed a problem 🤣🤣
I think people are disrespecting you Rio you tell them you’re the best I have you’re back on that
Van dijk only peaked for 2 to 3 years, Rio was world class for a decade
he was worldclass before and after he tore his acl
Listen Rio and Vidic could powerbomb any attacking force.
Pukki does start, Pukki is better than a lot of premier league strikers if you know him well
viduka also
Quick! Ask Rio if he meant to walk of the Big Narstie Show
You can’t put Virgil and Ferdinand in the same sentence. Maybe a retired Ferdinand
Yep defending 2 v 2 but you also had the help of your full backs tucked in. Imagine Rio next to Trent bombing on in the same line as front 3. Rio defo losing his mind over that, Vidic be all over the gaff 🤣
VVD are not even close to lacing Rios bootlace
Rio we want to see your anger on these ridiculous players yesterday, come join us the fans
Let's keep the anger directed where it needs to be always, the owners. The players are a disgrace but we don't have any of them starting if we were well run all these years.
Why didn’t he mention drogba?
i get what he’s saying about teams having so many strikers but look how many goals they got, clubs back then needed 2 starting strikers as they played with 2 strikers, then u had a sub for most games and another 1 or 2 for depth, yes the old strikers were better and there was more but there was also more chance for strikers to shine, origi would’ve started upfront with firmino in an old system and if he had more chances he could’ve shined and be seen as a great striker but once a team has a great striker today they start for a while until they’re not good
VVD is not as consistent as Rio so far. VVD had an amazing season (1st season in liverpool). But during that peak VVD is scarier
Virgil hasn't lost a league game at Anfield as a LFC player. 131 games and counting...
🔥🔥🔥
Rio and maldini in my opinion are the best centre halfs of all time
Rio has 6 premier league titles , van vijk only has 1 😂😂😂. Vvd will retire with only 1 pl title . The man united team from 2006 - 2011 achieved more than the Liverpool team of 2017 - 2022 . 3 premier titles in a row , 3 champions league finals in that time also. Man united were only second best to peps Barca, Liverpool have never dominated in this era , they have 1 Premier league and 1 champions . And there fans seem to they’re the best premier league side ever
Virgil is miles behind Rio.
No he isnt look at him now😂😂
The Pukki disrespect
Ferdinand is better - did it for longer at the highest level also. But both are different players anyway, VD is world class but so was rio
Yes. It's easy to reach the top. But it's not easy to stay at the top through different generations and partners. Rio did that. And he have the clutch instinct to show up when it matters most
1.41 in and turn it off