Great review. I fully concur. I got a pair for the Australian season this year. Lots of fun, great on ice, in soft bumps, fast edge to edge, real fun ski with lots of typical Rossi rebound. I’m almost your size and found the 173 perfect for me, whereas all my other skis are at least 180.
Hi. I had a chance to demo the 60 last season at 171 and had a blast on them. I want to purchase a the 70's but you found them to be sweet at 173 it worries me at 5 11 and weighing in at 185lbs. Any thoughts? BTW your guys reviews rock!
How does it compared with the discontinued Hero Elite Plus Ti? I can see some similarities (78mm, similar lengths and radius), not sure about the stiffness especially for the front of the ski.
The Hero was a bit stiffer. This makes the Forza surprisingly versatile in my experience--it's a great softer snow ski, and I can't say the same about a lot of other mid to upper 70's front side skis. I love the wider shovel, lighter weight, and predictable flex of the Forza 70. It feels livelier than the Hero Elite.
Hey man what do you think size wise for me? I'm an advanced skier at 6 foot 1, 160 pounds. I grew up racing and currently ski on the 2019 soul 7 172s. They are my all mountain do everything ski. I'm trying to find a carver to add to the collection. I love making quick slalom turns but also enjoy a variety of wider turns as well. I'm trying to find a great carver for those former days that's not as stiff as my old race skis. Think this would be a good addition? Do you think the 173 would be a nice length? Or too short?
I'm 6/2 225 and I prefer the 173 to the 181. You're taking advantage of the ski's turning ability without losing much in terms of stability. These skis are meant to turn, and it's not about how fast you go straight, it's about how fast you go in a carve.
Love your content! I was wondering the choice between a Forza 70 or the Q9 for a one quiver ski. I am a pretty advanced skier that loves to carve with high speeds, mid to large turns, in Europe on groomers or hacked up snow, with occasional (frankly quite rare) times of off piste, powder and woods. What would you recommend?
I'm impressed with the versatility of the Forza 70, even though it's a bit lighter duty in than the Q9, especially on the groomers. The weight is a bit different as well, with the Forza coming in slightly lighter than the Atomic. I like the Forza for more all-mountain skiing while the Q9 has more of a race by-product in terms of snow feel.
Hi, how would you compare it to my Hero Elite ST 1,72m.. Is it more a fun and easier ski than the Hero for an good intermidate or rather advanced skier? Hope I can try them this seson.
The ST shares a lot more with a race slalom ski while the Forza is a high end recreational carver. In this light, I find the Forza to be a lot more approachable and versatile than the ST. For intermediates and advanced skiers, I think there's an increase in overall and all-around performance with the Forza. It's not more difficult to ski than the ST, it just does more things well.
The weight is the biggest difference. The 70 feels quite a bit lighter and more agile on the feet versus the more planted Rally. I put a bunch of time on both this winter and even at 78 mm underfoot and front side skis, they are quite different. If you're looking for some more versatility to your skis, the Rossignol has a better upside, but for more of a stable and damp feel, the Rally is tough to beat at this range.
The 60 is more similar to the MT than the 70. Between the 70 and the MT, the turn radius is slightly longer in the MT and there's more metal in the 70 than the MT, along with more dramatic lack of taper.
I'd go with the 163 in that ski. I think the 173 might be on the long side, especially if you're looking to take advantage of the sharp-turning capabilities of this ski. I'm 188 cm and loved the 173 more than the 181, so there's precedent for downsizing here.
We need to spend some more time on the Primetime to make a thorough evaluation/comparison. I can tell you that the Forza was one of the most fun skis I was on last year, and was surprised at how well it carved, but also kind of liked the versatility and softer snow performance due to the wider shovel! Nice when things work out!
The Experience doesn't have the tip to tail edge contact that the Forza 70 has. The Forza is narrower and has a sharper shape to it, making it a better choice for on-piste carving. While it has some surprising off-trail capabilities, it's still nowhere near the versatile ski that the Experience is. The Experience also feels heavier with two full sheets of metal and a thicker overall core profile.
I think the Steadfast will have more to offer you based on your stats and application. The Forza is great but is a bit on the sharp and crisp side vs. the rounder Steadfast.
The Forza is lighter and more agile, and while that can take some speed off the top end, the middle power band is all there. With the wider shovel and tail, the Forza 70 hooks into the turn flawlessly and completes it with vigor. I always felt that the Hero skis were smooth and stable but not terribly energetic--this is where Forza gets a big performance bump in my book.
@@SkiEssentials thank you. I tried an old version of Multiturn together with salomon s/race rush and s/max 12 - Multiturn felt absolutely boring compared even o s/max.
Bob, I got on the 70 in a 181cm at Cannon and was left speachless...and made me ready to shop! I'm 6'0" and 200 lbs, and so I trust that your own clear preference for the 174cm means the 70 is plenty stable on ugly slippery stuff. But about this video, I was loving your turns but in the second on-mtn clip @5:33 looks like you're acually on the Hero...it's got the big rooster on the tip. Can you let me know what you were feeling when on that Hero? I've read that the Hero Elite ST has got more pop from the tail... Thank you. ...oh, and then there's the Forza 70 Master! -- hmm. Have you been on that?
Awesome! The ski shown was likely the Prologue graphic which is not the sale graphic. Haven't skied the Master yet--can only assume it's a lot more strong given the ash core and race plate. Not sure I need all that ski.
I'm mulling over the Stokli AS and Forza 70. Do either of these have more POP into the next short turn? And can you tell how these 2 are when I want to break out of this style and open up with bigger turns at speed and in Spring crud. I really appreciate how thorough you anf Jeff are.
I tried the master ski this weekend at a demo day and it was really really fun.
Great review. I fully concur. I got a pair for the Australian season this year. Lots of fun, great on ice, in soft bumps, fast edge to edge, real fun ski with lots of typical Rossi rebound. I’m almost your size and found the 173 perfect for me, whereas all my other skis are at least 180.
Glad you like them! Never thought I'd like a 173 more than a 181 in any ski.
Good review. I may purchase.
Please do!
You should!
Hi. I had a chance to demo the 60 last season at 171 and had a blast on them. I want to purchase a the 70's but you found them to be sweet at 173 it worries me at 5 11 and weighing in at 185lbs. Any thoughts? BTW your guys reviews rock!
Sounds good to me! I think the 70 works great in the 173 for a wide variety of skiers.
How does it compared with the discontinued Hero Elite Plus Ti? I can see some similarities (78mm, similar lengths and radius), not sure about the stiffness especially for the front of the ski.
The Hero was a bit stiffer. This makes the Forza surprisingly versatile in my experience--it's a great softer snow ski, and I can't say the same about a lot of other mid to upper 70's front side skis. I love the wider shovel, lighter weight, and predictable flex of the Forza 70. It feels livelier than the Hero Elite.
Hey man what do you think size wise for me? I'm an advanced skier at 6 foot 1, 160 pounds. I grew up racing and currently ski on the 2019 soul 7 172s. They are my all mountain do everything ski.
I'm trying to find a carver to add to the collection. I love making quick slalom turns but also enjoy a variety of wider turns as well. I'm trying to find a great carver for those former days that's not as stiff as my old race skis. Think this would be a good addition? Do you think the 173 would be a nice length? Or too short?
I'm 6/2 225 and I prefer the 173 to the 181. You're taking advantage of the ski's turning ability without losing much in terms of stability. These skis are meant to turn, and it's not about how fast you go straight, it's about how fast you go in a carve.
Love your content! I was wondering the choice between a Forza 70 or the Q9 for a one quiver ski. I am a pretty advanced skier that loves to carve with high speeds, mid to large turns, in Europe on groomers or hacked up snow, with occasional (frankly quite rare) times of off piste, powder and woods. What would you recommend?
I'm impressed with the versatility of the Forza 70, even though it's a bit lighter duty in than the Q9, especially on the groomers. The weight is a bit different as well, with the Forza coming in slightly lighter than the Atomic. I like the Forza for more all-mountain skiing while the Q9 has more of a race by-product in terms of snow feel.
Hi, how would you compare it to my Hero Elite ST 1,72m.. Is it more a fun and easier ski than the Hero for an good intermidate or rather advanced skier?
Hope I can try them this seson.
The ST shares a lot more with a race slalom ski while the Forza is a high end recreational carver. In this light, I find the Forza to be a lot more approachable and versatile than the ST. For intermediates and advanced skiers, I think there's an increase in overall and all-around performance with the Forza. It's not more difficult to ski than the ST, it just does more things well.
Hi. How would you compare these to the Head Supershape e-Rally?
The weight is the biggest difference. The 70 feels quite a bit lighter and more agile on the feet versus the more planted Rally. I put a bunch of time on both this winter and even at 78 mm underfoot and front side skis, they are quite different. If you're looking for some more versatility to your skis, the Rossignol has a better upside, but for more of a stable and damp feel, the Rally is tough to beat at this range.
I want to demo the Forza 70 Master in a 173. Took a few runs on the 181 last year and it was stable but felt long.
How do these compare to the Rossi Hero Elite MT ? they seem very similar
The 60 is more similar to the MT than the 70. Between the 70 and the MT, the turn radius is slightly longer in the MT and there's more metal in the 70 than the MT, along with more dramatic lack of taper.
Great video! What size should i go? Im 172cm and an advanced skier. Thanks!
I'd go with the 163 in that ski. I think the 173 might be on the long side, especially if you're looking to take advantage of the sharp-turning capabilities of this ski. I'm 188 cm and loved the 173 more than the 181, so there's precedent for downsizing here.
Thank you!
Do you recommend detuning the tips and tail from the factory?? Thanks.
they will not likely be detuned from the factory. I'd be prepared to do it out of the plastic, but leave it alone otherwise. Great skis!
@@SkiEssentialsYep. Get out the gummi stone.
How do these compare to the Elan Primetime line and will you guys be doing a review of them ?
We need to spend some more time on the Primetime to make a thorough evaluation/comparison. I can tell you that the Forza was one of the most fun skis I was on last year, and was surprised at how well it carved, but also kind of liked the versatility and softer snow performance due to the wider shovel! Nice when things work out!
Thank you for the quick response!
I am 179 cm tall, which would be more suitable 163 cm or 173 cm?
I'd go 173--that ski works great in that length.
How do these compare to the Experience 82 TI?
The Experience doesn't have the tip to tail edge contact that the Forza 70 has. The Forza is narrower and has a sharper shape to it, making it a better choice for on-piste carving. While it has some surprising off-trail capabilities, it's still nowhere near the versatile ski that the Experience is. The Experience also feels heavier with two full sheets of metal and a thicker overall core profile.
@@SkiEssentials...... would you compare these to the Deacons , awesome ski, but. It was fun if there's any chomp or Midwest/east crud no bueno
Hi, great review. I am 176cm strong intermediate. Full front side grummer skier. Forza 70 163 or Nordica Steadfast 85 162cm. Txs
I think the Steadfast will have more to offer you based on your stats and application. The Forza is great but is a bit on the sharp and crisp side vs. the rounder Steadfast.
how does it compare to Hero short turn / multi turn, in practice?
The Forza is lighter and more agile, and while that can take some speed off the top end, the middle power band is all there. With the wider shovel and tail, the Forza 70 hooks into the turn flawlessly and completes it with vigor. I always felt that the Hero skis were smooth and stable but not terribly energetic--this is where Forza gets a big performance bump in my book.
@@SkiEssentials thank you. I tried an old version of Multiturn together with salomon s/race rush and s/max 12 - Multiturn felt absolutely boring compared even o s/max.
Have you heart any reviews from lighter weight skiers? I'm about 5'4" 125lbs and would obviously go with the 163 length.
Amazingly, not particularly. I think the sizing sounds right, and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work great for you.
Bob, I got on the 70 in a 181cm at Cannon and was left speachless...and made me ready to shop! I'm 6'0" and 200 lbs, and so I trust that your own clear preference for the 174cm means the 70 is plenty stable on ugly slippery stuff. But about this video, I was loving your turns but in the second on-mtn clip @5:33 looks like you're acually on the Hero...it's got the big rooster on the tip. Can you let me know what you were feeling when on that Hero? I've read that the Hero Elite ST has got more pop from the tail... Thank you. ...oh, and then there's the Forza 70 Master! -- hmm. Have you been on that?
Awesome! The ski shown was likely the Prologue graphic which is not the sale graphic. Haven't skied the Master yet--can only assume it's a lot more strong given the ash core and race plate. Not sure I need all that ski.
I'm mulling over the Stokli AS and Forza 70. Do either of these have more POP into the next short turn? And can you tell how these 2 are when I want to break out of this style and open up with bigger turns at speed and in Spring crud. I really appreciate how thorough you anf Jeff are.
You need to take some Italian lessons to correctly pronounce “Forza”, got on line and find an Italian language app. Forza Italia,