This Is Why Heihachi Is Bad In Tournaments
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To play Hei you need to train like hei , in the mishima arts for 50 years lol. But he will always remain the most chad mishima
Chad heihachi vs Virgin jin
@@bendover2684 virjin
@@TheMegaPingasMobile turbo incel devil virjin.
And he has the strongest flex launcher and arguably strongest 12 fr if you do f1+2 into omen launcher, there’s just something so nice about landing his combos, I wish he was more viable
@@thejoekage9499 oh hell yes , nothing quite like headbut into omen for a 12f punish but such ass range lol
Heihachi is old so his back hurts in tournament play but JDCR likes old men
When jdcr said that I was like🧐🧐🧐🧐
So JDCR loves old guys and Nobi loves baby?
No he likes old people
@@problazaj4301 he corrected it after he said that he likes old men, he likes playing old characters
Thomas Serrano since when?
TMM: Devil Jin and Kazuya..
YT caption: double chin and calcium..
Also
Heihachi - he Akshay
lol...
Kazuya - Kasia,Calsio,calcium
Diablo Jim and karakas
Thats awesome 😆
i think i finally understand why tekken is so hard
like imagine, you finally get the 100 hours to understand 70% of your character
you then have to learn how your character interacts with every other good character in the game
but then
oh no
whats this
your opponent is playing PANDA
you start sweating
thats not akuma, thats not a mishima, thats not dragnov you were even prepared for a geese
you have every meta matchup known
but you get hit with the 300 pounds of pure fluffy terror
you load into the match
its ok, this character is trash you say
smirking in confidence
BAM panda uppercut
37 dmg
youre on the ground
Bear crawl, low low low low low low
youre in the blender now
the last thing you see is this black and white blur
your last thought
nerf devil jin
I have laughed 😂🤣 but feel this so deep.
dude
15 min delay?
finish streaming
go to school
get a job
get married
have SIX KiDS
get old DIE
COME BACK TO LIIFE
GET RESSD! Fff.....
dude stop smoking c-rack! okay
@@rossmanmagnus what
@@GarzaTheFather reply two years later 😂 but still, this comment is so accurate
@@ThinkingHuman deep like rick and morty...
I don't have nothing but respect for JDCR for even showing us Hei in tournaments not to say he won EVO 2017
Didn't he win that one with Dragunov
@@davidsourdis2905 But we did get to see Heihachi in most of the tournament even in the grand final
That’s true JDCR’S is such a good heihachi player and his instinct for crouch cancel to electric is so good
Thats because he uses a cheatbox
@@inder3944I hope you're joking because jdcr only got the hitbox cross up this year. Every time he used Heihachi before 2020, he used a regular arcade stick.
@@inder3944 Cope harder, scrub
Remember Ruperto from Venezuela, he's a great Heihachi player too. If he could find a sponsor you will see him performing so well with the character in a lot of tournaments.
6:15 when he wants to drop a combo,and he cannot. the CZcams curse is always ald everywhere
I think the word "bad" is a bit too rough. I'd say Heihachi is one of the most difficult characters to use it you wanna get good results in tournament.
You have highly informed opinoines of this game and an understanding that I can not find with other content creators. Question, in the time of arcades was frame data available to player's and when was it introduced?
JDCR 2020: i like old men...
The reverse CZcams curse- tries to wiff a move, starts landing it over and over again inadvertently
Heihachi is definitely insanely fun
Main man, can you put notation button during explaining? I think it would help for new player that wanted to understand some basic moves.
TMM : Heihachi is bad at tournaments
JDCR: Hold ma Trophies
I should probably mention the cross up that JD uses makes his crouch cancel electrics easier and almost instant
I didn’t get it… do you know how exactly he does cc electrics so fast ?
The precision and difficulty is part of the charm of the character. I hope he stays this difficult. Not everybody deserves to play him.
He wont be in Tekken 8
Ben Dover he will be
I must be jesus for playing eliza then huh
That last part you said didn't make sense lol
@@bendover2684 He has to be. He's one of the most popular Tekken characters ever.
These seem like handicaps but to me it's just things you need to be aware of and work out alternatives. Heihachi's strength is pressure so you also don't need to focus on whiff-punishes as much as the other Mishimas. If you can't get a WS 2 punish, maybe you could try like a WS 4 and come up with something while you have the frame advantage, for instance. His d/f+1,2 doesn't give amazing oki but you can still follow it up (and if you're using d/f+1,1 to keep them honest then it's just on you to play smartly with it and not have it ducked).
I play Heihachi better than the other two Mishimas, I think. His strengths feed into how I play Tekken moreso than the other guys. I know he has some holes (bad WS options and weak lows) but what he excels in feel comfortable to me.
Very interesting I feel the same way. I started with kaz and got to genbu. Then took a break and tried heiachi and I feel so much more at home even tho he’s imo harder than kaz and dj.
playing online against scrubs is not the same as playing against tournament pro level players
@@SolusFather You're a scrubz
@@SolidSonicTH Says an online player
@@SolusFather I'VE BEEN TO TOURNAMENTS.
...
I never made it out of pools but get rekt anyway.
In Tekken 3 & Tekken Tag 2 he had some good moves but they remove some of them like his back 1 & his F,D,F 4 & after the 4 u could have hit either 1 or 2 but the nerf Heihachi strait into the ground :(
2 years later, hei broken
Lmao when a kaz is low hp and he tries to vortex pressure me while im on the grouns i usually spring kick, it hits nearly all the time
Until u get sidestep punished
hey swe i was wondering what happened to bob? i dont see him often in tournaments. i was wondering if you could do a similar video with bob from tekken 7 and explain why he is not seen in tournaments anymore
Now the hitboxlcrossup is legal in some tournaments, mishima players are good now specially kazuya because of his pewf is easy to execute with the crossup. -14 is easier to punish with pewf
Holy crap last time I was this early I saw kid jin fighting Devil Kazuya
Lol
I find it so it so funny that this video did not discourage me at all. If anything, the extra difficulty made my eyes shine in joy XD
Kazuya: hey dad what do you do after ff3?
@Vance Walton does that work? Damn
@@kiingn7794 thats 3 diff combo starters there
Or the hard way: ff3, electric, f3, iWS4, bf2, 3 f 3+4 2, 1
I simply do very fast bf2, 3, cd4, 4,1 then I close with d1
@@ResonantNewt that's exactly what I do
Can you do a breakdown and tips etc for Jin. I watched alot and honestly prefer your method of teaching. Like beginner intermediate and advanced. Highest I got was vindicator. My have average is warrior. At 660. Wins and I feel like I'm stuck
Dont focus on your character, youre on a level you need to start labbing other matchups. It was either Knee or Nin who said " I dont care how much you know youre own character, but how much do you know your,s opponnent character. Couse thats the player who wins.". So focus on learning the rest of the cast and how you can utilize your charachter against them. Have a nice day bro. 😁
@@TojekPL I have, but i have had issues executing properly to counter the rest of the cast and sadly I have no training partners
Heihachi Tournament video: "This is why Heihachi is bad in Tournaments"
Kazumi Tournament video: "This is what makes Kazumi a Tournament monster"
Whoever said opposites attract... they were not lying.
This is my main I got a arcade stick for my birthday and I will play him in tournaments and I was meant to go to Japan but corona ruined my holiday
Little bro question her please.
Dude in the video at 4:58
Mentioned a specific input for Heihachi's electric.
Does that mean there are multiple inputs for electric whether it's Hehachi or another Mishima?
Also at 5:17 He said Kazuya has fast easier electric
Would appreciate your answer brother
@@kakacech just one input but slightly different between the three Mishimas
Heihachi is a sweaty character dawg but he is so much fun to play
@Thomas Serrano FUCKING FACTS, laws literally are so fucking different in ranked
@Thomas Serrano naw law players just press buttons they dont ever sidestep or move around they just slide low and spam strings. Law players are pretty braindead tbh the smarter ones use his parry at least
IMO Devil Jin's jab range should also come over to Kazuya and Heihachi. That's something that doesn't make sense to give to him exclusively.
The reason jdcr can duck strings and crouch cancel electric reliably is that he ducks highs using df instead of dB or d , using df to duck highs buffers the forward input to make it so that when you duck using df you only need to input the electric afterwards
joceja23 that’s just high execution and it’s actually just frame , almost impossible
Are you saying that the df buffers a forward input so he inputs: df,n,d,df2?
Or do you mean he ducks with df and the hits f because his stick is closer to the f position?
@@grantgarbour I honestly don't find the df buffering F to be accurate as this is the first time I'm hearing about it but that's just my opinion.
You can either CC with SS or (dash electric) f,f,N,d,df.
@@GunarebleCato yeah f,f,n,d,df is the easiest way for me to do it. Especially since launch punishable lows usually give you a decent amount of time to launch them. I've never heard of df buffering a forward input either, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that
@joceja23 yes he can because of his mist step
I don't know bout that, his ws launcher is i18 + the drop range (in my opinion it is useless...)
I'm not saying cc EWGF is a easy thing to do, but you "sacrifice" a lot if you use his ws punisher instead... and in my opinion that's not worth it.
some think buffing it to i15 is too much, but If it won't be at least i16, It's there for no reason...
JDCR should say something back😂
Hi TMM, what's a disadvantage of using normal God Fist as a punisher? does it not come out at 15f, too?
Why not electric then it is faster and stronger?
No no, normal god fist IS 15f
Electric god fist is 14f, but is much more faster in recovery and much more knockback on block
If you only use normal one, it's extremely punishable. If it gets blocked, some can even launch punish you
@@Blizzburn It's -10 on block dude. Who can really launch at 10 frames besides Akuma ?
@@reiji3546 Really? Okay maybe not extremely punishable, but I was able to punish normal electric on block using 12f move tho?
Edit : Just checked, it is -10 on block, huh. I'm starting to ge confused here. Also you didn't said anything about normal punish so uh, my bad. Thanks.
I've always wondered why not just warm up before the tournament? Never been to one so just curious
There is no possibility for it. Most of ppl travel to tournaments. If you live really nearby to tournament then maybe you can practice a bit before at home but for 99% of people, its impossible.
You can take your laptop with you anywhere. I think everyone should be doing that
Question: What makes mainman so toxic?
Block punishing with the electric is the reason I decided not to play Mishimas in Tekken.
Props to all of you Mishima players who can do that with consistency.
So would you say Hei is harder than Kazuya in tournaments?
Idk man I've been to majors and locals if you get there early enough you can definitely get some warm up casual sets, and if not just warm up in your hotel room, or before you leave the house if it's close
You say “if you get there early enough” but most people have to travel to the tournaments and some of the times internationally! Very difficult to get there “early enough” let alone even have time to warm up in your hotel room before the start of a tournament.
@@Jonathan-cz4ky yes we all know of people who have trouble in customs like arslan and gets to the tournament late or as soon as it starts which sucks and is out of his control. But if you are traveling to a tournament then you should definitely plan to have enough time to arrive comfortably, get settled, eat and warm up. Especially if traveling internationally, flights are delayed all the time, should plan to arrive a day earlier. For locals don't plan to arrive as soon as the tournament begins, I try to get to my locals hours in advance and a lot of people are already there waiting for it to begin and warming up. I've been to a lot of locals on the east coast, tri state area and they are all like this no matter the travel time. Maybe it's different in europe
Grant Barbour There lies the problem though, many people have to work around their own schedules, some people work, some have kids, some have school. And of course there’s the issue of financial ability to book flights, (other days are more expensive than others and hotel prices vary greatly). Sure it’s awesome to plan ahead, but not everybody has the same luxury and there tend to be other complications that are out of their hands.
How about heihachi's df 1,2??
Man i like Heihachi so cool and i want to learn him but his execution demand is too much for me 😩
Talking about lows, what are ur thoughts on marduk's lows.
Im a marduk main and almost all his lows are launch punishable and some are -ve on hit
what's -ve?
@@patrickimperial579 negative frames
@@syphion3777 oh i see. I didn't get what the ve stands for lol. that's crazy that some are minus on hit
@@patrickimperial579 marduk's down 2 is minus 2
And i think down 4 is minus 5
Qcf 2 is +5 on hit and u cant do it again they can interrupt u if u do it again with 12 or 13 frames if im not wrong
Downback 4 is almost useless because u fall down and don't have any good mixup unless u get a clean hit for which u need to be at point blank range
Downback 3 is the same case but it is a little bit good
Vts down 1+2 is -33 on block and can be interupted depending on the situation
And i think that's it
@@syphion3777 man that sucks. I kinda hate it when characters in fighting games have moves that are minus on hit. I'm fine if it was negative 1 or 2 but more than that is just ridiculous
Video on electric block punishing ?:((
I honestly think that jdcr heihachi isnt compareable to choksaes. But he is probably the better tekken player .
Different styles tbh. I don’t think they’re comparable
@@felipechaves6100 they need to increase hehachi style he is the best
At least give the old man an F knowing that he's a senior citizen
10:09 What makes DJ's jab better than Heihachi and Kazuya's?
Dj's jab has mad range compared to kaz and heihachi, making punishes more consistent and more capable of controling space
new upcoming video after 4.20 patch: Why Heihachi is a God in tournaments
Didn’t age well
"What's up guys. MainManSWE here hoping you're all doing awesome as always."
chantillycakes let’s all agree that we actually love that.
I want to see mainman in tournament.But in the finals
Why the frame data in game Say 11 for electric but you Say 14 ?
Because the inputs add to the start up of the move. Ewgf is 11 frames, but forward, neutral and down add 3 more frames, making it 14 frames as fast as possible.
@@sanchezo95 thx bro
I hope he returns in tekken 8....somehow
He probably will honestly, Kazumi is dead long before 7 and she's somehow here so who's to say they can't do the same with hei
He can be Heihachi Ghost
Cyborg heihachi
Ari Jappendi Bruh I just want him back anyway, I genuinely don't care whether he returns as an unplayable boss character or shit, I just wanna see him back at it again with a cool new design and a badass stage and theme
Tekken 5 tas heihachi: hold my belt!
Finally some decent content on YT again from mainman
3:20 lol TMM obviously forget that Heihachi has f32 into ff2 which actually gives more easy mode i15 damage compared to Kazuya, and very good oki!
you might have that backwards f+2, 3
and its safe, but i guess TMM is talking about mid options, to mixup with the electric
Is ff2 linked ? I don’t think so .. + oki for What ? There is no 50/50 with heihachi while kazuya has One
@@TheNonHiddenSingularity ff2 is guaranteed after f23, and you can get very good oki after each grounded ff2
@@BBK187 following your comment, I just checked and … tadam : it is not
And again as I said, oki position on heihachi is not near as usefull as Kazuya ..
2 uploads in 1 day? Is this a dream? im cooming
When mainman uploads he always uploads several vids that day.
Hello cooming I'm dad
can you explain why jin is good in tournaments?
What if Heihachi gained a launching safe HS as a rage drive? Like his old HS to Demon Uppercut from Tekken 3? Steve got a 14f launching RD, why can't Heihachi? It wouldn't break him. Also, decrease the recovery frames of WS 3, 1+2 on hit.
@Vance Walton But it's just another mid. TMM talked about his lack of good lows and poor 50/50. Giving him this extra RD addresses some of that problem without ruining the character.
@@MaverickHunterVile hei doesn't need a SAFE LAUNCHING LOW on top of his power mids and amazing df1. If you want to buff his lows, you have to nerf his mids.
@MaverickHunterVile @Vance Walton Ya love to see a regular non toxic discussion on the youtube comments, rare these days
@@IHavePills It's a once per round move, just like Steve's 14f launching Rage drive. It doesn't change anything about Heihachi's lows, outside of rage.
@@MaverickHunterVile I'm surprised you even used "safe", "low" and "launcher" in the same sentence. I'm not a fan of once per round overpowered moves. The same logic wouldn't apply with other characters anyway. I believe that if you're not trash like Gigas, those weaknesses give them identity. He was designed to be a high pressure character with good mids, punishment and damage, not a 50/50 character. Giving him a low with ridiculous properties like that would ruin his identity.
Doesn't Heihachi have a low combo starter? Is it so slow more then DB2?
Hellsweeps
Why the electric is 11frames in the frame data???
That's the speed of the animation, players take the input into consideration so it's normally 14 frames
The frame data for moves like f,f or f,f,f or ff* do not count the frames. So when he says the fastest the electric comes out for Hei is 14 it is because the directional inputs usually count as 1 frame each - so electric is 11 F + 1 Frame for forward input + 1 frame for neutral + 1 frame d,df input
Ah. That's why I never win locals. It's heihachi; not my lack of knowledge and execution. Thanks TMM!
Actually,I think in his last video,JDCR said that Heihachi is the best Mishima in the game,myb it's a little subjective,but what u thinking about that?
If you have aggressive playstyle
@@h13nr1 jdcr actually said he likes hei because he can play defensively lmao
czcams.com/video/ikgL9tBl2EU/video.html
@@grantgarbour Yeah,JDCR likes to play very patient and defensive,but he's Heihachi is godlike no matter how bad he is as a tournament character
@@pokc4016 yep, playing defensive in this game is way harder than playing offensive. Just shows how good he is and how much he likes tekken lol
He got lumbago!
So basically, TMM wants Heihachi to have access to a i15f Launcher.
He has One. Just a diffucult one. Also it wouldn’t change very much … the problem of heihachi is the lows … duck only for hellsweep and it’s ok
at 3:40 what does he say? It gives you very good what?
oki
you dont have to be super strong to block d/b2 lets say 33% to 50%. The reasion is the audio
ohh you mean him shouting "BASHHEE" or something like that
This may be a very noob question, but how do you reset your positioning like he did in practice mode and how on earth can you make the computer actually fight you in practice mode?
Extra useless information:
I looked up player data online for Tekken 7 ranked play online. There are only 1800 players in the United States. I main Ganryu and never realized just how little people know and play him. Out of 1800 people that play online in the United States, there are only 5 Ganryu players, and I'm one of them. 😳
How and where did you look up ??
Y is it easier to do a electric with kazuya than the other mishimas
He has multiple inputs for it, and another frame of leniency considering u can do it a frame faster than any other mishimas
I know all of that except for the multiple inputs wat u mean by that what are the inputs
Its Huncho if u press f n df2, quickly, u get an electric. I would’ve responded sooner but I wanted to test it first 😅 he can do it the original way as well obviously but f, n, df2, is way easier and consistent in my opinion
VS Fighting 2nd place, OTB 1st Place, East Coast Throwdown 2nd Place. Heihachi's been on a tear recently no cap.
Nah...many good players do block db2 , even online...they block when he sneezes "Haaasheeehh"
Best_DAD_Ever I always hear “Hussy!”
Hmmm...... Sounds like tournaments are just who can be the accurate with very strong and easier characters kinda reminds me of Tekken 6 tournaments where it's just bobs everywhere
Wait hold up ganryu and heihachi both have a headbutt are they both bad
WELL SEASON 4 SURE SOLVED THAT WS 3,1+2 PROBLEM...
JDCR vs TMM first to 10
The Old Man vs The Son
Whenever I think of the stereotypical asian and then some.. JDCR comes to mind immediately.
Hell, didn't he wear glasses without the lens? What was that about
the real reason is bc grabbing is non existent in evo lmao you gotta kick and punch
is this a mishima true baby ? :D wher are the diapers :D
Heihachi will forever be my main
You forgot to at least mention otgf
I thought you always said kazuya is harder
You can say he's a bit rusty in tournaments.
Thanks mate you’re a fucking legend
Well the actual reason is because jin and kazuya and devil jin are more popular and look cooler, aswell as popular with the ladies too, they are the main roster of Tekken games therefore they be mostly chosen because of it,,, plus I ran into Jin 8 times in a row, and kazuya 5 times in a row without restart the same battle
Heihachi is great and Jdcr is a beast
Why do you always say firteen instead of THIRteen???? (13) 2:35
English isn’t his first language iirc
Heihachi will always be the most chad Mishima
is it good to start takken7 right now ?
no
@Kayden McCallum lol
Makes sense to have a now canonically dead character to be dead in the tiers.
Kazumi.
@@jays.6843 fair point
He's not bad, he's just irrelevant. No reason to play him in a tournament if DJ exists. Even Kazuya has the -13 punish niche.
Poor old man, I like to play him but you gotta have years of mishima training
No you don't. Why do people think Mishimas are impossible to play without hours of practice?
@@bigdsweet do an electric without training
@@JoaoPedro-ps8lk That's the thing right. You can't play them unless you do electrics? That is wrong. They are plenty of fun to play without electrics especially Heihachi since he has some of the best mids in the game.
@@bigdsweet it's the best move in the game lol, u can't just ignore it
bigdsweet heihachi without ewgf = no damage heihachi
heihachi has the best pokes of all mishimas lol
@Kayden McCallum hey that's cheating XD I mean even then Jin slightly overcomes heihachi with a reliable ws2 or uf2 but only slightly lol but I feel hei is more versatile imo
Why is kazuya's electric easier?
You can cheat out kazuya's with f n df+2 instead of f n d df+2.
Xavier Casseus it’s not really a cheat. It’s apart of his mist step I think it’s called, can’t recall at the moment but it’s been in the games for ages
@@PrimoHydra i meant it in a way as it can be done faster.
I don't know, I see Japanese/Korean crazy Heihachi players. This probably due to TMM mains Kazuya.
JDCR *wants to know your location*
heihachi mishima isn’t bad player in a tournament or online. There are No bad or broken tekken character it how you control character them
Heihachi has i15 f23 into guaranteed ff2 but has strict timing. Still execution heavy.
f23 is only natural on ch what are you talking about
@@retardedmeliodas2042 lol you're kidding me. Right? F23 is a natural combo on normal hit please do some labbing before deciding to post what you don't know about.
It’s natural and borderline hit confirmable on regular hit.
I actually find akuma the easiest char...I could already do his facd without thinking I find if you played a lot of sf4 you would find it easier.
Yep SF4 version Akumer has more tighter execution that this version of Akumer.
@@eldonearlcleofas8281 Akuma/gouki and geese difficult for a tekken players easy for a 2d players :P
For someone that never played a 2D fighter, Akuma is the hardest character. Now I understand how much damage he can do when you have execution and I respect that.
Yeah heihachi is the worst Mishima he used to be the best on tag I guess all that cry from mainman to buff kazuya paid off 🤣
Erm not jdcr choksae
Heihachi guerilla