Is your racquet arm-friendly?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 6. 07. 2021
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My racquet Is double fault friendly for sure
Most racquets are!
I think strings are more important in terms of arm friendliness. I can play with any racquet as long as is natural gut or multifilament. Even on all the babolats. But once I play with any poly strings, it doesnât matter, it will hurt my elbow..
As someone who is dealing with tennis elbow issues, this is great information. Looking forward to your upcoming ProKennex racquet review. It would also be great to hear your thoughts on which strings are arm friendly.
Being that I have had some elbow and shoulder issues for a number of years, I have been keying in on the vibration level to be below 140 not to aggravate my arm. Your advice is very sound and makes alot of sense!
Well that book actually says that soft racquets vibrate MORE than stiff racquets, due to the extra bending and warping back and forth on impact. It also says that the most arm friendly setup is a stiff racquet strung at low tension. Nick from Intuitive Tennis also said something similar in his videos. This is quite the opposite of the prevailing theory, I'm more confused than ever...
I don't agree that softer racquets are worse for your arm, I think it is a bit of a misunderstanding. I think many racquets with low RA are heavier control racquets, which might lead to players mishitting or timing the ball late and that is a reason for the arm pain. Most of it comes down to the string in the end and tension in the end, but some racquets don't absorb vibrations well and some are weighted in a strange way...
I agree that no one frame stat tells the whole story of arm comfort and looking into the stats is a great way to make an informed decision on our equipment. It would be nice to see the data used in the marketing directly from the big brands. I enjoy collecting, but its not always the best for new players to be lost in the jungle of racquets. Thank you for the video. I refrence the book you mentioned often. It is a great book.
One point that I think it is worth mentioning is using smooth multis as crosses, it really helps lowering down the stiffness and also eliminates a lot of the vibration. The only downside is that the mains have to be ronded to avoid the mains eating into the multi, but it is a very minor downside. Head FXP or even the Velocity MLT are very good cheap options for this, just use the thicker 1.30mm ones.
Good point, Jose
@Jose Parcerisa
Generally speaking your advise to try a hybrid is quite good.
I used several hybrids with multis as crosses. Has an effect to a softer feel, more armfriendly I guess...
But the personal feeling at contact with a ball comes mainly from the strings on main.Therefore in order to feel more the multi and still keeping more controI I would suggest a poly on the crosses giving more control and a multi on the main for the feel and comfort. At least its worth trying.and see the difference;)
I have been using prokennex for 20 years, from 5g to ki 315. For sure it works for tennis elbow, and that's the only reason I have not switched until recently. I am trying out a few newer and lighter frames to help out my declining game, but if I should be bothered by elbow issue, I would switch back to PK without hesitation.
I've found the Phantom 100x to be the best low flex racquet I've used (especially with a little weight at 3" & 9")
I demo'd a bunch of rackets before settling on the Head 360+ Extreme MP. I loved the soft feel and control of Gravity MP but struggled against pace and needed more power help. I play best with my racket choice but do feel more arm soreness after playing. Going to keep working on stretching and physio to try and overcome for now.
If you still want to use a poly and have a sensitive arm try TierOne Ghostwire in 18 or 19g (It is softer than synthetic gut and most multis). They might not ship everywhere since they are in California.
Very informative and helpful as usual, thanks. I came back to tennis last year after a decade away. In my 40s, I was excited to try a lighter racket (from teens on I played with Donnay rackets at 350g strung). Bought Babolat Pure Aero Team. Loved how easy it was to swing and generate power with, but it wrecked my arm. Researched arm friendly rackets. Tried Gravity Pro and Gravity Tour. Great feel, but always feels a struggle for me to generate power with them and that makes me inconsistent. Could hit the Pure Aero consistently every time with far less effort, more fun. Shame Babolat rackets are not more arm friendly. Checked the vibration and flex on the comparison tool after watching your video and yes, a big difference in those values. Thanks again for your great content.
Stay away from Babolat... you can try the Prince Phantoms or some Yonex Vcore 97. Lotta Flex AND Power. Head is very hit and miss.
Try pure 3 gen is stiff racket but very confortable
Currently playing with donnay x dual siver 99 and donnay gold penta 99, both weighted up to 330 grams unstrung. Even with a crisp poly like the Msv focus hex ultra( great string at least for me), they are very comfortable and stable, with a large sweet spot
Very informative video, Jonas! Personally, I found that adding weight at 3 and 9 helps with the arm friendliness of a frame, as it enlarges the sweetspot.
It's actually impossible to "enlarge" a sweetspot... if ever, by using weight on 3-9 you'll gain more stability re. torsion. But also remember that by adding weight on the head, it will increase the balance towards the head, another factor that can lead to injuries.
My strokes are not arm friendly :)
I use a PK Q + Tour Pro 315 (yes, such a long name) and a Volkl Super G 10 Mid interchangeably depending on how Iâm playing. Completely different stiffness ratings but different technologies that work well.
Yes, the clash feels nice but it is definitely low on control. Watch out for the Vokl C10. Feels even better than clash with better control.
Thank you so much for discussing . I thought I was the only person in pain
I feel like Jonas is going to save the whole ProKennex company with his endorsements.
Seriously though, I would be interested to see you try out the heavier PK Ki Q+ Tour Pro 315 & 325 in the vivid green colour.
Might be better balanced than the lighter one you reviewed earlier.
Love this arm friendly rabbit hole you're in lately because that's where I am now too as I get arm issues in Winter.
Prince Graphite oversize is actually very well balanced for the shoulder
Never had elbow problems. Using Graphene speed pro so it's a matter of time. However with the poly strings there strung at 51lb rather than years ago it'd be PS strung with synth gut at 65lbs.
I recommend trying your Prestige MP with Ytex Quadro Twist at a low tension (e.g., 48-49). It's arm friendly and the extra spin helps tame the power.
Low tension on a prestige is 49? No way man...go 44
One of the most comfy rackets i played with was the Wilson blade 98 2015 model, problem was Wilsons crap QC higher sw than it should have been so i sold it, played with teh cv version took bumper off because that was worse than the 2015! QC was terrible, comfort was good! But didn't have the feel as the 2015! Played with prince 100p this was comfortable. Some time ago i played with exo 100 really flexible racket RA 58! the vibration was shocking! couldn't believe how bad it was! The new blades are comfortable! I have had surgery on my elbow, & shoulder! So 2 weeks ago i bought a brand new 2015 blade exclusive to Tennis point! for ÂŁ100! & unbelievable it was in spec! wow played with it the other night beautiful comfort power, & control! String i use is Weiss Dual reality cheap good comfortable hybrid! I did demo the previous Prokennex Q5 290g (unstrung version) it was ok but lacked a little power & thought it wasn't as comfortable as i thought it would! it felt tiny. Also have Angell 18x20 300g which is also comfortable! again using weiss dual reality!
Thanks!
Great! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Frequency is only half of the Story. What about amplitude? There, I guess, ProKennex really shines by cutting it to less than half.
In addition, the Technology makes an even bigger differnce, when you hit the ball with the frame.
The moving mass affects your timing and you may not like it because of this in the first Place but after you get used to it, it doesnât bother you at all.
By the way I would recommend to play those rackets without a dampener.
Good video. I had wrist and arm issues after a stunt went slightly wrong and fell awkwardly filming on a Bond movie. Decided to ditch my prince ozone pro tour/luxilon savage 65lb set up. Stiff setup and apparently o ports not great for injuries according to a Spanish coach I had who played at ferrers club in Spain where the racket used to be popular. I bought a lot of rackets but mainly stick to prince phantom pro 100 18*20,100x 18*20, pro kennex...18*20 325. Solinco hyper g around 59lbs. No arm issues, however strangely started getting pain in my elbow with solinco confidential in the Prince phantom pro. Funnily enough I had no arm pain in some stiffer RA rackets with solinco hyper g in them such as feds racket, agassi bumblebee, pure strike 18*20 etc... Would be good to know the frequencies and correlation with injury...
I use flex and twistweight to determine arm comfort. My understanding is that many manufacturers increased twistweight around 2014-2017 to make more comfortable racquets. I was out six months with TE in 2010 and went to the IG Prestige MP after using the YT Prestige MP which had a very low twistweight. Does adding lead tape change the vibration frequency? I would imagine that adding silicone in the handle would help a lot.
Completely agree, wish Clash has a tighter string pattern
Gravity MP or ProKennex Ki 5 or Ki Q+5. For Wilson-Addicts: Blade.
Need Suggestion: I used to be a SemiPro but now I am a recreational player, I did have Tennis Elbow but now its better. I use to play with Head Youtek Extreme Pro 2.0 but now I am playing with Head Touch Extreme S. Planning to buy new comfortable more forgiving Racket, any suggestion on below:
Head Gravity S 2021
Wilson Blade 104 v7
Try a Tecnifibre T40 305! Very good all rounder, a great compromise, if I can use that word! Pretty arm friendly too.
Agree
I thought that high frequency vibrations tend to finish quicker than lower frequencies, so should be less painful? And stiffer rackets produce higher frequencies. So a heavy swing weight, stiffer racket should be more arm friendly?
Had a 2021 Pure Drive, loved the free power but my wrist, elbow and shoulder did not. Use a Clash Pro with Triax strings and although I do miss the power of the Pure Drive, I love the Clash for comfort and control!
Good setup!
I cannot play with Clash at all losing almost every point. This racket has zero control for me and tons of power. As soon as I play with Blade 98 or Vcore 98 (powerful as well) I can control the ball, but Clash đ€Ż I donât know how you can aim the ball with Clash.
Guys tell me please does grip size nas impact on tennis elbow? I heard opinion that larger grip helps.
I had the liquidmetal instinct...low vibration, low ra, and still killed my arm...same with radical mp...arm issues I would say is more a string thing than racquet...the only racket i felt confortable was the microgel radical, but very low power...
@tennisnerd Does higher number on vib (hz) also means higher pinging noise? thanks
Can you make a video on the Wilson blade v6 without countervail, Iâve been using it and I like it more than the v7
Thanks for this video! I am a 5.0 player that was playing with my Yonex vcore 98 2021 which at that time I had been playing with it on and off for 2 years (I also play with my vcore 95 2023 from time to time). I have never had any elbow problems until I decided to try a cheaper poly string bc my regular string was on backorder. Long story-short I hit for approximately 35-45 minutes and decided I hated the string. Soon after that session I developed discomfort/pain in my elbow...do you feel that the string was the issue as opposed to either one of the vcore's?
Also is very important to exercise and warm up your forearm to prevent tennis elbow.
Can you please help check the frequency for the 2021 pro kennex q+ your pro 315? Thanks!
Thanks for the tennis elbow videos. Being a tennisnerd have you ever encountered issues of excessive palm sweat/body sweat interfering with the tennis game. It gets very humid here in india i must add. Maybe you can do a video on grips and other techniques you use to make the grip less slippery , if you have encountered this issue
Have you tried Tourna Grip? Itâs the best for profuse sweaters. But you have to change it pretty often
@@leobrahmachari6611 i tried since last 2 days , the problem is gone! However i have started noticing wear and tear on the grip , as you have mentioned
The 2019 Yonex Vcore Pro 330 has an RA of 65, but according to TennisWarehouse, it has 136 Hz in frequency/vibrations. Can it be considered a somewhat arm-friendly racquet?
i used to play with Microgel Radical MP, then i switch to G360 radical MP. BAM. Tennis elbow. I wish i know about stiffness rating before buying racket. Now i'm playing with Gravity MP with velocity mlt.
Do rackets become more flexible (arm friendly?) through time and use?
Hi . I have a wilson blade 18x20 v8. I am a 4.0 player . I am getting elbow issues since the last year. I use head hawk power@ 47-48 lbs. Do you have any racket and string combination suggestions for me? Thanks
What are the advantages of playing with a stiffer setup. I have gravitated towards âsoftâ racquets because I love the plush dampened feel and sound (why I play with dampener). Not that I want to jinx it but Iâve rarely had arm pain issues.
More free power
Whatâs the impact of the beam width? If its a function of flex, how can the clash have a huge beam with a low RA
Hi Tennis Nerd. Do you consider the Yonex Ezone an arm friendly racket ? Thanks
Hello am a newbie in tennis - my coach lend me ezone 100l naomi osaka and i feel comfortable with it - wondering if TR298 iga is more comfortable to use - could you kindly give recommendation? Thanks in advance
Hello I have a 2021 Radical Pro and I feel it gets pushed around a little bit. Where would I put lead and not make it to much heavier?
3 and 9 o'clock + add a leather grip if it doesn't have one already
Recoil weight. Swing weight. Balance. And Gosen Poly Professional 1.29 @50
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And donât keep poly strings older than 2 months, even if not in use
Kinda unrelated but I notice NOBODY covers sunscreen and skin protection. What the heck do pros use not to get sunburned?? They're always in the sun and sure they look tanned but they should be burnt to a crisp. Big Thanks if you cover this issue!!
Wear a hat, use high SPF sunscreen and zinc. Reapply every hour or so. It's not rocket science.
Is the extreme tour arm friendly?
Great content! Much of what you say really strikes a positive and familiar chord as it relates to my tennis. Now try to use the link to buy thru TW.
I have played with Vcore 98 for 3 years and really enjoying the newest version. However, I tend to tinker and tried out the new Ezone 98 & Head Extreme Tour recently. BOTH those rackets have same static weight, similar balance points and similar flex. However, they also both seem more maneuverable and as a result really helped me get more balls in play. I do feel like I have to swing out a bit more to get similar power.
I am now experiencing some shoulder pain. On spec the rackets seem just as arm friendly? Is it b/c the demo grips were a tad small and I was holding too tightly? It it b/c I am swinging too hard and straining arm as a result? Best analogy is if I throw a heavy baseball/football/soccer ball I have no discomfort, but sometimes have thrown a lighter weight ball such as Nerf, waffle-ball, foam ball and arm is sore afterwards?
This is odd because the swing weights, static weight, flex and balance are not that different, but perhaps the polarity of the rackets makes then swing faster?
I want to keep playing with the Extreme Tour but certainly don't want to be sidelined IF that is the root of arm strain. I know you have dealt with some similar issues and appreciate your thoughts!
Thanks again and keep the awesome content coming!!
Gabe, North Carolina, US
Were you able to come to any conclusion Gabe?
Playing with Percept 97. Very arm friendly and gives me even more control than Vcore98/ExtremeTour/Ezone98.
No free power at all so when defensive it can leave a ball short, but I mostly play doubles so it works well for an aggressive doubles game. Percept 97 rocks!
@@gabrieljimenez6952 Well done for you! I'll keep an eye on the Percept 97.
Started playing 5 years ago and this year at the age of 38 Ive begun suffering from tennis elbow. I'd appreciate your opinion of 5 to 10 racket and string combinations that you think may assist with reducing tennis elbow injury. I currently use a 2020 gravity tour pro with tecnifiber multifilament at a 52 tension. Even after 2-3 weeks of rest it comes right back. I attribute it to the racket and strings because it is the only thing that has changed from past years. After taking ibuprofen , hot and cold treatments and forearm strengthening exercises (pull ups and grip strengthener) the pain lingers and is felt with every strike. I enjoy playing so Ive just played through the pain knowing I'm not doing myself any favors. I am currently in search for a new racket and string combo. I'm a recreational player and I'm perfectly ok with a dampened muted feel as long as it can help reduce the damage being done. Thanks for this timely video.
Alex, I've suffered from chronic golfers elbow in the past and switched from a customized Pro Staff 97 Countervail to a Gravity Pro. Racquet felt great, but I didn't like the HEAD Hydrosorb Pro, because I find it too mushy and soft.
Changed to leather grip and added some lead to keep the 32,2cm balance.
I've been stringing the racquet lower and lower and now I'm stringing it at 43lbs with Head Lynx (yellow, 1.30mm) and the racquet feels great, solid, powerful yet controlled, and has helped me play more frequently and with a ever reducing pain.
I'm an advanced player and have been playing for more than 15 years. Hope my experience with the racquet helps. Get well soon.
ProKennex or Clash are both excellent choices - I have a consultation service if you want more in-depth advice. Take it easy, rest, rehab and recover!
@@Matheusfk3 Lots of products to navigate through and can prove difficult to get the desired result. I appreciate your input Sir.
Perhaps you were just listing two examples but there are a lot more forearm exercises you could do than just those two.
One sentense was really big true. Its not worth playing with stiffer frames even when your game is better. thumbs up. I have same opinion. Im playing awesome tennis with pure aero,but after one hour my shoulder is dead :D Im playing customized gravity tour to almost pro specs :) and its absolutly fine. I still surprise from spin potentional after one year :D
Hi, i do have arm issues but i have been eyeing on the head extreme pro 360+, on paper its a bit stiff but how about the frequency, is it okay with someone with arm issues? Thank you
No.
If you are going to go head, go with mp speed and throw tons of lead tape on it. That racket feels great setup properly
Prokennex Q+5 pro has 67 RA and is so comfy, better than VcoreHD , i highly endorse
Just bought one! đ
To be fair Vcore Pro HD is pretty arm friendly (131hz + 59RA). Do you use polys?
@@strayfirex i agree, most comfortable Current Yonex. Nat gut volkl mains, poly tour strike crosses, great durability and tension maintenance
Wilson burn killed my elbow by just demoing it!
Not surprising, sadly...
Hefty swingweight and only 3 pts headlight ..... It should carry a Warning Sign !!
Jonas, you should do a video with the five most arm-friendly racquets and one with the five least arm-friendly racquets!
Bra idé, Hans!
Hi on the Prince rackets with Oports are more elbow friendly? And does it reduce vibrations?
Yes and yes!
How about using dampener? Will it help reduce tennis elbow problem?
no, just the sound
What about wood rackets strung with gut? When I played I used only wood rackets for decades and never an issue.
As soon as I got a Wilson Profile racket strung with 15 gauge poly strings I destroyed the tendon in my arm in one year and ended my tennis career.
To this day, though I have not played tennis in over 25 years, my arm tendon still hurts. Any vibration will activate it.
You havenât played tennis in 25 years but you still watch videos about tennis equipment on CZcams? đ€
@@leobrahmachari6611 Yep. Wondering if some modern tech racket would let me play the game again without pain. I still hope...
Ezone Tour destroyed my arm after 15 hours, it was the best racquet i had in my hands, sadly I had to give it up...now I'm looking for something similar but more arm friendly...it's a pity to play with my racquet now knowing I could play a bit more deep and precise with another one...
From what Iâve seen, people in your position generally go to the VCore 95 with a bit of extra weight, or the new radical pro
@@MrBMJ đyou nailed it, I play with Vcore 95 and have a demo for the Radical Pro next week. Hope this last one could be a mix between Vcore95 and Ezone tour but I am quite sceptical about it, anyway, thanks for your comment, I can see you are quite expert and have good knowledges about this wonderful sport.
@@rubencasanova4018 haha you are too kind!
I use a Head Graphene Prestige Pro... Old model, around 6 years old... This was the last time I could get hold of a very good arm friendly racket... this has 22 inch beam, RA 62, 16/19 pattern, weight 320 gms, and 98 head... But no new racket has such combination... I need a new one and the shape of the head is very important... Can you suggest please ?
@angshuman mukherjee
HEAD Rackets which you might love nowadays (like your soft HeadPrestige Pro) can only be
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a Prestige;)
The modern Prestige Pro is much stiffer. the Prestige MP might give you the most similar feel in your arm.(Tour might also be plusher than the new Pro, because of bigger head. worth trying;)
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but the Radical Pro
(thiner beam than the Radical MP) both Radicals have Procap like a Prestige. both worth trying.
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The Gravity Pro
has some similarities with a Prestige Racket, but my experience with the Gravity MP tells me that Head has opened a complete new chapter. But still, sometimes a change can do very good.So why not test the Gravity Pro, Tour even MP!? I play one handed backhand and the Gravity MP surprised me. could hit backhand with confidence. (although Gravity is said to be more for the bihanders!? Who really knows.)
Give the Gravity Pro, Tour ( and MP)a try!
I had 3 head prestige ig youtek mp...played well with it....first got wrist injury,took 3 years to heal and now got tennis elbow...i think its age related,the more you grow old the less power you have on your shots and the more you are prone to injuries..
@@niceguy5430 You are right! but I think the big problem is many injuries dont completely go away. Our body needs more attention! better equipment, better nutrition, then still "everything" is still possible.
So, would you consider the Head Radical pro an arm-friendly racket?
Stay away from new radicals man...dead, stiff, no spin...crap
I'm a 5.0 player. I've been off for 1.5 years with muscle tear/tennis elbow. Just getting back to training. I injured my are with the babolat pure drive. I'm back to using the wilson blade counterveil with all natural gut at 50lbs. Do you have any other suggestions for something similar to the blade, but I'm finding the blade is a tad heavy (or the balance for the serving seems heavy).
Gravity tour
Or the newest Blade that Is softer and more head light then the CV one
Newer Blades are softer on the arm
@@F4BIO771 thank u:)
@@F4BIO771 thanks đđŒ
Jag Ă€r en 13 Ă„rig tennis nördđ€ Jag spelar med babolat pure strike team, anvĂ€nder babolat rpm blast strĂ€ngar men skulle vilja ha nĂ„got som ger mig mer spin. Vad rekommenderar du?
Prova RPM Blast Rough 1.25 eller Solinco Tour Bite 1.20 StrÀnga lÄgt - runt 20 kg och kÀnner du av armbÄgen sÄ kanske bra att prova en annan racket. Kör hÄrt och lycka till!
I am so confused by the difference between synthetic gut and multifilamento in terms of playability.
I am looking to settle on an arm friendly set up with the highest tension possible. What should I DO? COPOLY LOW TENSION did not work for me. I feel like I have wasted a full bed solinco hyperg and confidential. Any suggestions?
I used both these strings in 18 g at 45x42 lbs tension and found them both to be quiet arm friendly
@@Vdkotsinyan thanks
Hi, great video. I remember in the review of the Dunlop Fx 500 you mentioned that it was one of the most comfortable Tweeners you had ever tried (not to mention the Head instinct).
But on this page, the vibration frequency of the Fx 500 is even higher than that of a babolat pure drive or a yonex ezone 100. Do you agree with that? Or were your feelings different?
It interests me because I am considering buying a racquet within the spectrum of "tweeners".
Another option I have in mind is a used Head Graphene xt Instinct mp (which seems to have a much lower vibration frequency than other tweeners).
Sorry for my english.
Jonas, i was playing with Pure Strikes 18x20 and 16x19⊠started developing tennis elbow so i retired the PS and decided to go back to Prince, which I used years ago. Iâve been playing with the twist power 100 for the past two weeks. It is light , i am old, so maybe it is time for a lighter racquet. All of my racquets are strung with VS natural gut in mains 55, and rpm blast 52. My elbow seems to be better, but time will tell. Please review both Twistpower racquets. Also, i do a lot of business with tennis warehouse. How do i get you some kickback, do i just mention your name? Ciao, John
I hope to get demos of the Twistpower racquets. Before you order, just click my link in the description below and I get a small commission on any purchases. Thanks!
I ask You question what is more important RA or Vibration Frequency Hz (from TW University) regarding Yonex Vcore vs Gravity MP? Did I inspire You to this film? :))
I think it might be you :) I have used this tool before for my own racquets so itâs a good idea!
@@Tennisnerd thx:) I've got other question, does gripsize impact on tennis elbow? I heard opinnio that larger grip helps... but I hevent got confirmation for anybody who is authority
Most Volkl racquets are very arm friendly
Pro Tour 2.0 65RA??? Doesn't deserve that name at all....
I think if you are going to look at vibration you can't just look at the frequency. That does not tell you anything about the amplitude of the vibration, which I would think is the key factor for the player. For example, a racket with a vibration frequency at 120 Hz would feel worse to the player than a racket with a vibration frequency of 150 Hz that has a lower vibration amplitude.
Really enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
hopefully lol
Is getting a high RA give you something? I wonder if you combine low vibration with high RA you get best of both worldsâŠ
It gives you power and stability :)
Thatâs is why have bought the ProKennex Ki Q+5 Pro :)
@@Tennisnerd my first racquet my dad got me back in 1985 was a Pro Kennex Black Ace. Could be nostalgic but Iâm going to demo it in the next month. I will try that Ki as well
my wrist is Killing me
Short answer. No. My racquet is a heavily weighted prestige mid. Not friendly at all.
Only problem with stringing poly low is that you loose a lot of the playability of the string. Hybrid setup would be better than stringing low.