Lionel 6200 Turbine! Unboxing, Testing, Fixing, and Running the 6-8404.
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- Lionel 6200 Turbine! Unboxing, Testing, Fixing, and Running the 6-8404.
Finally home and able to test the turbine I picked up at Dale’s on my trip. The engine runs very well but the tender is in need of some repairs.
The Sound of Steam was not working properly due to an electrical short: what was the cause and how did I fix it? Watch the video and find out!
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I have no affiliation with Lionel, or anything else for that matter, and my repair methods are my own based on what has worked for me.
I am not a professional but a passionate hobbyist. Your results may vary. I am not responsible for any damage resulting from any repair method. I am here mostly to provide inspiration and insight.
You can do it, grab your tools and get to work!
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I don't know when you released this, but I guess it was warm weather since your latest videos you are commenting on how cold your train area is. I own a 1946 671, a 1947 671, and a 1950 681. They are incredible engines. Easy to service and very strong. My guess is that the magnets 🧲 in your 681 have probably lost some strength, as they do over time. MPC made some crap in the beginning, but quickly learned and made some excellent pieces. I enjoy your relaxed, and budget minded approach. Not all of us can afford $2000 for an engine that in 10 years you won't be able to get parts for.
This video is from over the summer, so yes, it was much nicer in the garage! I’ve had a few 671s and other 681s and I’ve loved each and every one. I would agree that the magnets have probably lost some strength over time, but I love it just the way it is. This 6200 has certainly become one of my fate vines and it runs really well.
The postwar shells that lionel used to put on new motors are always very cool
I have a couple and I like them!
Another great repair video! Very helpful and informative. The diamond symbol on the tender immediately tells me this is a Famous American Railroad Series turbine from the MPC era. Personally, I like the MPC locomotives. They have magne-traction like the later post war equipment and they are generally good pullers, as you discovered. Thanks for posting!
Thank you!! Glad you liked the video.
I have been very impressed with the MPC era engines, well the ones that have Magnetraction. 👍
@@dagryffynhobby When they first came out in the 80s I had the MPC 611 J and the Great Northern FARR series engines. They had magne-traction and were great engines, too. Thanks and keep the vids coming!
@@tinytowntrainstv those are both nice engines!
@@dagryffynhobby That was a long time ago, so now that I am back into the hobby for keeps, I get to collect a bunch of trains all over again...but it's a blast...I love it!
@@tinytowntrainstv fantastic! I only ever had a very small amount of O gauge trains, I mostly had HO and N, so collecting the O stuff has been a lot of fun.
Great buy at Dales. The tape was a great idea. I bought a similar engine at the Portland OR train Expo in January 2019. The engine and passenger car set was from the 70’s and never opened. I learned an valuable lesson from that, unopened and never run does not mean excellent shape. It ended up costing me more money to have some maintenance done but I also discovered dried up grease on the gears. That took some clean up and digging out of the grease. But it runs great. I had to have the very thin connections between the engine and the tender repaired as they just broke. I’m guessing rotted wiring. The only issue I had personally was the speaker and sounds were so loud I had diodes installed to reduce the sound levels.
So you have a fantastic train and I enjoyed the video. Take care Dave, thanks again and we’ll done.
Tim
Thank you Tim!
I’ve never bought something that was unrun, but I guess this engine is pretty close. I really do need to open it up and clean out the old grease. Buying any old train can be a gamble, I just expect that I might have to repair anything when I buy it, but it’s always a nice surprise when it actually works well!
I remember in 1948 or so when I was a child seeing the original 6200 turbine in Carnegie PA go by. It whined as it went by. It did not go choo choo.
That’s awesome! I’m sure there aren’t many who were fortunate enough to see that!
@@dagryffynhobby All I really remember was the whine it made. I was 8 or 9 at the time.
One day I'll have to get a 682
Me too!
My Grandpa and I always loved the Pennsylvania Turbine! Thanks for doing a wonderful video on it Dave! :)
The Lionel turbines are classics. My grandpa is why I love the postwar trains as much as I do. I’m glad you liked the video 👍
Can’t go wrong with a turbine!
Old turbine, new turbine, I’ll take em all!
Very nice loco! I'd recommend adding a layer of bubble wrap between the SOS board and the base, it worked for me.
Thanks! That’s a good idea 👍
Awesome video Dave! Love that 8404 with the MSOS and the beautiful paint job. Very impressive pulling power that beast has my goodness! Engine definitely on my bucket list too...someday.
Thanks! It really is a gorgeous engine and far more affordable than the postwar one!
Nice fix cool 😎 engine
Thanks. I’m happy with it 👍
It has good pulling power.
I’m impressed with it 👍
Maybe add a little weight to prevent wheel slipping on both engines or Maybe replace the plastic wheels with metal wheels. But impressive nonetheless. Very cool
Thanks. Both engines are fairly heavy, I don’t think there are any plastic wheels in there. The 681 could probably use a good wheel cleaning though, might help. I’m sure they would both pull a lot more of the modern cars than they would the postwar ones I was using.
Just getting started very impressed with his videos plus I enjoyed to watch his comments and his information he shares with his stuff I've been learning a lot and thanks for the videos Lee
I’m happy to share whatever experience and info I have, I’m glad the videos are helpful to you.
You are welcome to email me if you need help with anything. I’m no expert but I’ll be happy to help where I can.
Thank for sharing nice buy 😎Doug 🚂
Thanks for watching!
Great show....What's next 2025 , 675 ? Also great runners and good pullers...
I love the 2025/675s, I have, I think, 5 of them. All of them need repair though, but they are definitely good pullers.
Great video!
Thank you! 👍
Ok that’s cool I saw you said subscribed to me just wanted to say that you and stay tuned because I will have plenty of o scale content to release
I love O Scale content! Bring it on👍
Awesome engine & video... cool seeing 8 cars being pulled.... Heavy train 😎 Also I love that lighthouse you have in the back 👍
Thanks 👍 I want to try more cars but I don’t have any more! The lighthouse is a custom Lego model, glad you like it.
It's pulling power is impressive. Does it have a bell? That was a great diagnosis and fix.
Thank you! A bell? No just the “horn”, a bell would be nice.
Given the similarity between the 681 and 6200 I wonder if maybe the magnetraction in the 681 has faded over time or if they might be geared a little differently. I wouldn't think that the motors would be significantly different since Lionel was known for slapping the same motor into as many models as they could and then sticking with the design for as long as possible. Perhaps after years of use the 681's wheels have been shined up too much or picked up too much oil.
It's still really awesome to see the two of them side by side like that.
Great video.
I’m sure the wheels on the 681 are a little worn and dirty, as for Magnetraction fading over time, that I don’t know about, is it possible? Or maybe it’s just affected by use and dirt? Maybe someone can chime in on that one.
Either way, it was super fun to run them together and see the differences. Wish I had an unrun 681 to compare!
@@dagryffynhobby Magnetraction fading over time? I think that's an "It depends" situation. There were different ways of installing Magnetraction and I think some were more durable than others.
For example, I've got a 736 and the Magnetraction is as good as the day it was made. I've also got a 2055 and the Magnetraction's barely there anymore.
I've got a 681 myself but now that I think about it I've never checked the Magnetraction on it!
In my case it doesn't matter, I run on nickle-silver track so Magnetraction wouldn't do me any good anyway.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 I agree, there were certainly different methods used at the factory and some are better than others, I think I read somewhere recently that it can loose strength over time and can be remagnetized. I didn’t think of it not working on other track types, I guess that’s why they use traction tires today.
@@dagryffynhobby That's exactly why traction tires are used now, considering all the different non-corroding non-ferrous metal track types out there.
I personally don't care for traction tires myself. If they wear out I only replace them if I have to. I've got a small flat-as-a-pancake layout and can't run super-long consists at any rate, so the weight of a "tireless" engine is usually enough to get the job done.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 makes sense. There has to be a better option than rubber bands!
Dave, Beautiful engine and I love the Grey boiler front. Question though can the sound be turned off on something like that? Thank you for another great video. Bill
Thanks Bill. It is a good looking engine. Yes, there is a switch under the tender. Now that I know it works, I shut it off and probably will not turn it back on.
Thanks for this video! Great info here... what transformer are you using? Just curious because I have an old postwar ZW, and I'm wondering if the whistle is actuated from remote only or if it will work through the DC switch on an old transformer...
I was using a ZW and used the transformer to operate the whistle. The disk in the transformer can go bad and not work properly.
It’s only one of two modern era turbines
(not counting the scale type ones)
And it’s a fantastic runner
I thought Steam Turbines were supposed to 'whoosh', not chuff...
They certainly are not supposed to chuff!
I wonder if it’s an oversight or if someone changed the board at some point. I haven’t heard another one to compare.
@@dagryffynhobby That's the way they came from the factory. Disappointing I know. By the way, I think the turbines look better pulling a string of 2400 series passenger cars. In real life, the turbine was a monster that towered over streamlined passenger cars.
Well. A battle won by the MPC era this time. And people still says that they are lowsy trains.....
I used to be one of them! But these engines I’ve acquired recently really proved to me that I was wrong. The 6200 is the best running and pulling turbine I’ve had.
@@dagryffynhobby You are the one who convinced me about them. You know, postwar mantras are hard to remove
The only fault I had with mine was the chuff so I turned it off.
Understandable, now that I’ve got it working I’ll probably leave it off too. I don’t much like the whistle either.
the 6200 has magnatraction and the 681 doesn't that is why the 6200 has extra pulling power
The 681 certainly does have Magnetraction, the 671 did not. So both the 681 and 6200 should be similar but considering all the use the 681 saw, and it’s age, it is not unexpected that the magnets have lost some of their power.
Did the Pennsy turbine ever chuff?
I would think not, I haven’t heard the real thing, but I would assume it would be more of a whoosh sound.
Do you have, or are you going to be getting the matching freight cars? Th is Turbine and set along with the Great Northern set also from the FARR series are my two most favorite engines/sets.
No plans for additional cars. I have the Williams cars and a partial set of the shorter Lionel cars, not sure if the same as what came with it, they need windows and lights and some cleaning.
@@dagryffynhobby don't have the numbers handy. The set consisted of a boxcar, double door boxcar, thank car, and a hopper. They later made an add-on stock car. This set was the 5th and final set in the Famous American Railroad series. The prior sets were Santa Fe, Union Pacific, Great Northern, and Southern. They were made from the late 70's to the mid 80's. All very nice sets.
@@billb1736 oh it was a freight set! I don’t have the cars, but I’ve thought of trying to replicate the sets. A project for another day.
@@dagryffynhobby yup, sounds good! I forgot to mention the caboose. My only 2 complaints are the boats are smooth sided, they don't have the bracing with the big and boot detain. Also the cupola is yellow, in the catalog it was a really nice gold.
Will the engine Lionel 8404 run without being connected to the tender.
Sure will. The connection between the two powers the sound board and reversing lights in the tender. The engine can run fine without it.
The engine is not suppose to chuff. Might as well cut the sound out.
Agree. But it wasn’t working so I had to fix it before shutting it off for good.