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An unusual horse bit, some posh finds and carved stonework lead the team on a search for a Norman hunting lodge in Northamptonshire, but it isn't long before the lodge's massive stone walls begin to look a little less impressive, and, under the forensic trowels of the diggers, the lodge shrinks in every direction.
Series 12, Episode 13
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May not be high status but still important. So often history focuses on the elite. Good to see how ordinary people live.
Couldn't agree more with you... It does give you an interesting inside, and they even got wiser about the use of a horse bit.
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I'd say in some ways more important. It's a lot easier to find out about how the high and mighty lived. They left so much behind: castles, books, histories, etc.
But the peasants would have so little, and wouldn't have left behind much if anything.
Speaking as a low status peasant, I agree!
That is what annoys me about Tony and always has over the years . Tony ALWAYS focuses too much on every dig about ‘is it high status’ as if that’s the only sort of archeology he wants found. Whereas Mick seems to understand it isn’t the use, it’s the history and try’s to calm him down.
“Phil has never been on a horse before…”
Phil: “Magic!”
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Once you get over the fear of being so high up ( and the related fear of falling off!) riding a horse is a fantastic experience. I guess for a very long period of history, owning a horse was very much like owning a car or motorbike- the sense of freedom to move around is exhilarating, just as Phil's reaction shows!
Love to see phil on a horse that got spooked and watching him holding on for dear life while the horse is going 30 MPH
"GET ME ORF DIS ORSE" 😂😂😂
Victor is such a chad.
His draftsmanship is so good, he does several drawings each of the three days and several afterwards for illustration purposes.
I feel like Phil, Tony and Mick generally gets all the spotlight, but man, as an artist myself, I am simply speechless at Victor's prowess as an artist. You can really see his love for animals (which he supposedly specialized in) in drawings where they appear.
When he died in 2021, the world lost another one of it's few remaining, great, traditional artists.
I think you also see the love and respect that the team always had for Victor as well.
Victor is amazing
What is a chad?
@@YvonneWatson-ff5ex Slang for someone very cool and good
@@YvonneWatson-ff5exa top dog lol...a very good man,bad at what work he does etc...top of the line!
When Phil was up on the pony, he so missed the chance to exclaim "Baldrick, come hither..." 😁🤣
I thought the same thing
Oh gawds YES!!!
Chiswick! Fresh horse!
Not sure Tony would appreciate that
“To you Tony this must seem like some massive charger’ Sir Phil Harding is a national treasure. Let’s hope there’s still all the great banter between the Time Team in the new episodes that was one of the great things about it wasn’t stuffy
Llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll less
It did take them years to get to know each other, though. It's not like this was the first season. Give the new episodes a few years to build its own character.
Total bullsh1t nonsense
It was also mainly staged and fake as hell with clearly planted “finds” especially later on when it clearly became more about ratings and “entertainment” and they started bringing in fake experts who gave out blatantly false information (like in an episode that was about the greys and they brought in some female author who was supposed to be an “expert” on the matter but it was basically a shameless plug for her new book at the time about the “white queen” and basically everything she said was complete bullshit and was like nobody even bothered fact checking her “ information” before they put all the lies on air.... also they kept on referring to the castle as where the greys first lived when in fact the greys never lived there and in fact they never lived in the area in any of the houses they kept on mentioning until WAYYYY later when one moved there and demolished the older houses to build a brick house that you never heard about except during the introduction and that person was only a grey through marriage and the person that they married was only a grey through marriage down their blood line so they weren’t even really a grey).... also I think it was at this time that both Phil and mic decided they were done with the show and Phil refused to come back for the new one cause safe money that much like the history channel now it’s going to be more about entertainment than about actual history which is why they got two commentators/narrators/presenters who judging by the small preview I saw know absolutely jack crap about either archeology or history (much like tony)
@@richardgrace4500 We could start a GoFundMe account for you to be able to afford punctuation. Would that help?
I appreciate the absolute hell out of Time Team. I'd watch them excavate anywhere in the world in a heartbeat!
Are you satanic by any chance?
@@ChayAaronStevenson11 Are you bored and picking on people in the comment section like a coward throwing insults from behind a locked door where you're never confronted by those you abuse?
Murphy is a sweetheart. It was clear that Phil had never been on a mount. It was just as clear that sweet Murphy had long managed cumbersome flailers.
"May I introduce you to a Norman Knights mighty Warhorse?"
"That's a kids pony"
"Yup".
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The experimental archaeology is fascinating to me. It’s quite interesting to see how the finds were originally used. It provides a fleshing out of the people who lived there. Love these shows.
“While Phil plays with the Norman nobles…”
[Phil running for his life from the mounted knight wielding a spear]
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i rather like to see everyday life - we all like high status, but seeing how the mass of humanity scraped along is fascinating :)
Me too! It’s always been the everyday people that do most of the work in keeping things running. The high status people just benefit from the work.
Me too!
@@lilykatmoon4508 i think it's because high status were administrators, more than anything - and administration is (and has been since the dawn of humanity) incredibly boring hahahaha
Why this one in my top favourite Time Teams, they had to get back to basics, and discover the story.
33:16 I like Victor's startled cat.
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Every Victor's drawings have you noticed there's always a dog 🐕 in them??
Is anyone going to mention how utterly magnificent Bobby is? I recall many a fine childhood afternoon bareback atop my gallant steed, a 13 hand Welsh pony named Gimlet. She wouldnt have accepted that bit either!
Bobby looks like a Connemara to me. His name too, would be a clue. There are a heck of a lot of Bobbys in the breed, the most famous having been Carna Bobby.
I’d never think Phil could move that fast ...
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... unless there was a pint and the end of the run! 😄
Ale, Mead...and a decent hog roast...tiz all that's needed...! 🍺🍻🍖🐝
@@tangomoggynoengi8518 but Phil doesn't like mead. A fine ale is more up his alley ;)
@@Skuggan84 How do you know he doesn't like mead...? Do you have a link to where he exclaims that...? Also where do I say that Phil likes mead...? There are others that do... others that would be happy with a good ale, a fine mead... and a decent hog roast.,.! Me, for one...
@@tangomoggynoengi8518 it's in one of the episodes. He gets really sad when there is only mead to drink and no beer. He then tells how he doesn't like mead. Can't remember exactly what episode it is in though.
@@Skuggan84 Fair enough. We'll let him stick to his malt juice then... At least it leaves England's oldest drink for those of us who will happily drink all the different types of it. I have a couple of nice ones on the go at the moment...a spiced and a triple (trōjniak)
A beast of a war pony, not to far to fall . Sometimes you just have to laugh at these guys. Carry on boys.
"The horse doesn't seem to mind it at all"
Horse: constantly chewing at bit trying to spit it out
Chewing means contented ...
So much fascinating information in this episode, like "after curfew", who knew?! The size of their warhorses, and "forest" so totally different from our understanding of the word. Love it!
I'm very late in commenting however the Mongols conquered vast amounts of the continent with horses of the very same small stature. China did not have horses much larger as well. What they have in common is weather hardiness, endurance and the ability to graze on scrub. A Mongol's most important piece of equipment was his horse and then his weapons. Mistreating or loosing equipment earned you instant death. Quite a military 'motivator'.
Lmao that dig at Tony about the pony being a 'mighty charger' to him was great quip from Phil. The quick side eye glance at the end from Tony shows it stuck his core that did ahahaha.
I was surprised to learn that a mediaeval clay pot would last about a week before it broke and the cook had to throw it away. That makes me feel better about my Teflon-coated cookware that wears out after a few years.
I find that breakage rate hard to believe. I have severe arthritis in my shoulders, arms and hands and I don't drop kitchenware that much.
@@purrdiggle1470 modern kitchenware is much stronger than the poorly made pottery from the 12th century
@@purrdiggle1470 I may be wrong, but my impression was that these earthenware pots went directly onto the kitchen fire: so they were closer to a modern saucepan than a soup tureen. They took a lot more thermal stress than our pottery.
@@CaravelKiwi Clay saucepans, called pipkins (if I remember right) were made with only half a handle, and you were suppose to put a stick through a hole to make it long enough to reach the fire. The way my hands are, I'd drop one of the things for every meal.
@@purrdiggle1470 Pots of this age were single fired at a fairly low temperature making them very fragile in comparison to today’s crockery which is double fired at much higher temperatures.
I am not surprised he’s never been on a horse before he’s a big lad like me and we possibly need a Shire horse to carry our weight
Phil on a horse is such a delight! :)
"... prehistoric - standard stuff..." Very strange words to hear for us in the US.
When you chase Phil with a boar spear he can break all Olympic records . LOL
I liked this episode, as I use to live in Hartwell village in Northampton and spent many happy moments playing in salcey forest as a young boy which surrounded hartwell village. Salcey forest was also a former medieval hunting forest.
Jonathan Foyle's good looking !
I absolutely LOVE learning about normal Life of medieval (or Any other era) Life, so this is fantastic. On modern society its hard to remember but some people dedicated their whole lifes or/and Even generations to this pig farm, Even If its not a Castle or something as grand its still was someones pride and Life.
Not to mention food and hide benefits of relatively domesticated as opposed to the dangerous wild, feral pigs and boar!
It comes down to valuing people highly whatever their circumstances or how "successful" their lives have been. The details of life down through the ages is fascinating.
I love Mick so much. A true scientist.
This was a wonderful episode and dig. Discovering the lives of normal people from any historical age is precious. As we're all alive now this means perhaps Our ancestors lived like this. Perhaps My ancestors scratched a living from pig farming. (Pun intended).
The experimental archaeology in this episode was really interesting and seeing the bit in use was great.
What I find interesting is how much of what I do now. They made and did then ......😮
When Tony says bag of pot, and the weighing is done by a gentleman that looks right out of a Guy Ritchie movie, I just had to chuckle a bit
Glad to know I wasn't alone In my line of thinking !
It was a bit of Black Adder!
I would watch an entire series on the history of horses and livestock.
You should try watching the BBC historic farm series (plus the precursor, Tales From the Green Valley). They follow a group of historians through a farming year living and working as they would in the particular time in history. There's Stuart, Victorian, Tudor, Edwardian, and WW2.
@@art.anemonejp omg that is legit my favourite series of all time. I’ve probably watched every episode at least half a dozen times and I own several of the books as well. Honestly, Ruth Goodman is my hero!
Loved the green valley series with ruth Goodman
And Alex and tom
I love how the spear bit doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the find. Just the guy showing off his spearing skills.
Ordinary people just like many of the viewers. It took the team a while to figure out what was going on in the area. No "big" finds and riches - but good thinking. Hurray for regular people!
Now I know I dont need to watch the video because they find nothing. Thanks
Years ago I went to a Roman museum in Köln, Germany, and my favorite stuff was the day to day stuff, things women used to apply make-up, children's toys, dentists tools. The stuff of the regular people fascinates me.
@@aelyn2909 And even better, they gave you an opportunity to be snotty and rude, something I am sure you treasure.
@@PtolemyJones ouch🤣🤣🤣
What's wrong with a peasant in a hovel? I've been a peasant for years and get on quite well thank you very much.
I love a good basted and roasted peasant… or am I thinking of something else?
Loved Phil on that pony!
I feel like it's ALWAYS Matt's side-trench that makes the breakthrough :p
You didn't have to make a copy of that horse bit. it's called a "cathedral bit" and they are still made and used to this day, mostly in Latin America.
In Follets lastest book the Count of Cherbourg, being a smaller man, rides a pony on a hunt. I think folks don't realize that the average person back then was quite smaller than we today.
Thank you for not cutting off the iconic soundtrack of the show like quite a few of your other uploads.
A stand out episode! Thank you for sharing it
Love this show my favorite character is Phil harding
IM A FAN OF TIME TIME FROM THE PHILIPPINES 🇵🇭🇵🇭
Phil, if you see this or someone tells you, I wish you a happy napping year for 2023
5:00 that fire cover would really warm up a room for a long time.
“run Forest RUN” 🤣🤣🤣
I had a blast! I love the team!
I love how they tease each-other
It's Paul (BLINK'N) Blinkhorn! I like to see Paul on a show because you usually learn something!
I loved this one- I didn't see it when it first aired, which is a shame as I live in Bletchley, the town that makes up the southern part of Milton Keynes. It was wonderful learning some local history which for once wasn't linked to the Romans!
But in Bletchley you have a part in modern history which would be of paramount importance that would outshine mostly anything in the past!
@@dinerouk try telling that to the Normans!
@@dineroukBletchley I think goes back to magna carta,or thereabouts.
Again I say that Bletchley. (Park) (and with Alan Turing, )shortened WW2 by some 2 years@@pheart2381
0:41 "...along with... this weird corbel, isn't that strange!?"
*12th century mason* :(
Thank goodness for Time Team!
Best finds are the Saxons....always exciting
Great episode. Loved it. Thank you for your efforts.
Phil would have been right at home in the 12th century ;)
He allways looks out of place in modern times ;)
I love seeing archeology of the ordinary. Really interesting episode.
That pony did NOT accept that bit. It was very irritated. The pony allowed the human to PUT it in his mouth and was not throwing a fit but was showing extreme discomfort. I’m glad it didn’t last long.
I beg to differ, Murphy the pony is indeed having a fuss at the bit aka instrument of torture. The port on that bit is massive for a small horse's mouth. The chewing motion Murphy continues to exibit during the segment is indication that he's trying to come to terms with it. The fact he accepted it at all is just because he's conditioned to take a bit but not one like that.
Yes, I totally agree. I've just stopped the video at that point to see if anyone else thought the pony was not enjoying that horrible torturous bit in its mouth. I also thought Phil was too heavy for that pony. I don't care if they can tolerate someone of Phil's size/weight on them; I just don't believe it's good for the pony's spine at all.
He is probably only used to a snaffle bit, not a curb, and the bit was too low in his mouth, which makes any horse uncomfortable. But yes, the port was definitely not something he was used to, more similar to what you see used on reining horses which as the knight re-enactor noted, use very loose reins.
@@jodyknight oh get off your high horse
I am with you, it's the only time I have ever watched this show and been unimpressed.
I was standing there like "the chewing is a sign that it's uncomfortable!" (First thing I was told when learning to ride was how to recognise an incompatible bit... I was 7 so working off memories but glad to see I wasn't wrong)
Thank you for saying something, I was hoping I wasn't alone in my disapproval.
Yeah, I'm not familiar with horses at all, and I even noticed that. Hope they took that thing out quickly.
This one still seems to be a bit mysterious! The Gordon's Lodge website says the final report didn't bear out the hypothesis of a pig processing plant, so I guess still TBC!
I was curious about Pat Lawrence too (one of the tutors & equestrian historical reenactors) as he sounded like he might've been originally a Kiwi, but I can't really find anything online about his background...? (As a history-obsessed NZer it's always interesting spotting NZ archaeologists via this programme - Bridget Gallagher is one and her partner Raysan Al-Kubaisi did architectural computer modeling in many episodes also, including the recent TT revival).
Soon as they said it was not substantial enough to be a manor house, I was thinking workshop
And my understanding is that a clearing in the forest where you kept the pigs was a den. One side of my family had a last name ending in “den”, which apparently was associated with their pig herding activities.
That is interesting as I know of several villages close to Ashridge forest with the names ending in den, Gaddesden and Nettleden. They are associated with the river Gade with Little Gaddesden up river of Great Gaddesden.
It could be they were pig farm areas, will need to see what records exist to back this theory up.
Long explanation about the war horses at this time actually being ponies, followed immediately by cut to the bones from the ditch, including horse bones.
"Would they have eaten the horses too?" "No, they were big animals, they'd have been cut up to feed to the dogs."
If there was a surfeit of meat the humans would have eaten the best bits of all the animals and the dogs would have had the scraps. If there wasn't plenty of meat all part of all animals would have been eaten.
Not eating horse meat is a far more modern idea. It was commonly eaten in the UK until the 1930s when horses became frequently thought of as pets and companions and the demand for it as a meat animal dropped.
I wonder whether they should have brought tony Robinson maid Marion show, love the classic episodes.
Fascinating dig!
Love Phil on the horse😂
King John is one of my direct ancestors through my grandmother.
But not through your mother or father? How does that work?
With pig slaughtering you needed to process a lot of it on-site because there was no refrigeration and transport was slow. Especially useful/expensive parts that the average person wouldn't know about like the offal, intestines, caul fat and other useful membranes, and blood in particular for black sausage/pudding needs to be processed before clotting for best results. Not a lot should to be wasted on a pig, and those bits would've been even more important back in those days, so I can see why they likely had a lot of heating/cooking areas...and it was better to keep them away from the domestic dwellings as it's not a very pleasant aroma.
A facinating episode, from starting out as 2 story manor house or hunting lodge, to a place where pigs were slaughtered was quite a journey. Really informative and interesting stuff, made entertaining by the people in the shows.
Salt and smoked pork were militarily significant for feeding armies. If I was a king I would not want someone with 1,000 pigs rebelling against the crown.
If you didn't own them, they aren't working for you so you get none😮
Horse: Get 'im off, get 'im off!
I would imagine the head piece could be a mason’s apprentice practice piece, sold for cheap to somebody that wanted a budget piece for the cupboard.
can't wait for Sept!!!!
I live in Ireland, but loved time team.
I can't wait!!!
Thanks for posting.
I'm troubled by that one cooking pot breaking every week remark. Doesn't that mean pottage falling into the fire once a week? I'm not sure they wouldn't seek better pots or cooking techniques fairly quickly.
People were smaller then. I remember going to an arms and armor exhibit and the suits of armor were pretty small. Not what I expected!
I remember some history show or other saying that the reason doors were so low in 'the old days' was not because people were smaller, but because wood was so expensive in the British Isles, especially solid slabs of big, old trees. I accepted that... until I read your comment. By the logic that wood was expensive so they made doors short to save money/wood, I guess those suits of armor were small to save on the cost of metal. 'Just scrunch down inside, Lancelot; suck in your gut, tuck in your chin, that's it, just a bit more and we can clamp on this helmet. I say, Aelred, lend me your knife so I can wack back this great mass of hair and trim down his ears...'
Ehhh actually not really no they weren’t... Napoleon was 5ft6 and was known as the “little emperor” and people always think he was short... average height especially in Europe really hasn’t changed since then I mean the average height for a man in the United States is supposedly 5ft10 and a woman 5ft6 even though I don’t believe it because I’m 6ft2 and I feel like a giant around most people it seems... in France where Napoléon was from and emperor of the average height is 5ft7 (so an inch taller than he was) and in Spain it’s around 5ft 9 (which is taller than the national average throughout Europe)... meaning that Napoléon at 5ft7 really wasn’t any shorter than you average Frenchmen now or really anyone throughout Europe (the Nordic countries is where the height average gets thrown off because those countries average over 6ft and historically they have always been taller on average than anyone dating all the way back to the Vikings)
30:10 and arrows were fired on the outside, as depicted on all art, and as done to this day by all traditional archers, horseback and foot, from Mongolia to Japan.
Phillip, that was quite the burn.
Tony"Aristocratic Rebel"🤪.Jona,Helen,looks good together.That finger ring is a heartbreaker though.lol.
Gorgeous Jonathan - hurrah!
You had me at GEO PHYS
This has inspired me to make barbecued pork ribs for dinner! If this was on land used illegally in a royal forest, I'd imagine it could be forgiven if the overseers received some tasty hams for the table.
Thank you YT for sending this my way! I've been bingeing this alternating with a couple of others. The only question not answered so far is Why only 3 days? As easily as I get lost in research, you would lose me there! I'd never get out in the field to help with anything else!
Originally the programme was set up on a three days basis due to the fact that the academics could only spare three days off from their main work at a time.
I thought only 3 Days because it is expensive to do those Digs. In Germany nothing is diged anymore until it is from National Interest. So we will loose more and more History. In 200 Years you will only find Plastic and defect Stuff produced in China...
It was also determined that viewers would not be interested in long, drawn-out digs where nothing changed over a season. 3 days introduced a bit of tension & change to keep the show exciting.
Nothing depressing about “peasant hovels” as it’s peasants who build a country! We need to quit only focusing on the rich. Nations are built & fed by “peasants”!!! Time they get the archeological importance they deserve
Good one!
The iron piece could be part of a bit too.
That corbel head somewhat resembled Tony with his knitted hat on😮😮😮😮😮!
All digs are equal. But some digs are more equal than others. Just sayin'...
"All that year the animals worked like slaves. But they were happy in their work; they grudged no effort or sacrifice, well aware that everything they did was for the benefit of themselves and those of their kind who would come after them, and not for a pack of idle, thieving human beings."
Matt got all the ditch work - mostly just lines in the soil.
I only wish they could do it all over again now
Phil is a god.
new content!! yeeeee!
Soo, pottery was the medieval plastic huh?
That bit had to be horrendously painful to the horse
nope. there are some wild looking bits out there that don't hurt if properly used.
Brilliant
Yes, they are magic.
For all Phil's doubts about the ponies, the average Norman man was 5'7" (171cm) which means half of them were smaller. He's perhaps confused by the persistent myth that they rode draft horses like Clydesdales. They rode coursers (also for hunting) and rounceys, with a few who rode destriers. The average courser was around 14.2 to 15 hands (58 to 60 inches, 147 to 152 cm), which seems about right for the men riding them. The prime attribute was speed, followed by agility, not size.
Phil riding the horse 🐎
Thanks , enjoyed it very much!
Ok - keeping foxes and loosing them for a chase - Pigs/hogs might be just the same - as they feed back home and a bit of sport. As is done in Texas hunting hogs and lots of them. Perhaps the royals had a keeper and would stock the forest. Remember fires are needed to render fat down to 'oil' and boil hide....
That pony may not have resisted that bit, but he sure didn't like it....
Mick was wrong about no trees on Dartmoor and Exmoor but I understand why he said that and what he meant