Lionel Corbett speaks on Jung, Philemon and the Red Book
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- čas přidán 20. 09. 2012
- Excerpt from a presentation Lionel Corbett gave at the conference "Portals to the Sacred 2"
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I am amazed at how these people who possess knowledge of Jung lack understanding of what Jung was provided. Even Jung refused to accept fully his own understanding, and instead identified with the knowledge produced by his mind. The real transformation occurs when the mind is transcended. However, this level of consciousness is not something that can be achieved directly in any way. It is provided.And it is provided only after identification with the mind is surrendered. There are challenges along the way that will build a foundation of trust. It is through these challenges that the transformation is realized. This is the transformative state of being. This is life. It is from here that the illusions of the mind are revealed. With this understanding, identification with the mind as an identity becomes unnecessary, and its usefulness, as a tool meant to provide awareness, is established. Although this transformation might be recognized as madness by the conditioned mind, even Jung said, it should only be judged by the fruit it produces. And that fruit is the fullness of life.
As someone who has studied this stuff for twenty years, I don't have a problem with Noll's interpretation. And Noll never said Jung thought of this stuff in concrete ways, but ways of the soul/archetypes/libido. I've heard many analysts give Corbett's defense - that these are /only/ symbolic experiences, or /only/ subjects for analysis, that one encounters, but does not /identity/ with the Self or godhead or whatever. But here's the thing - how is transformation to occur if not through the fires of the Self? How does transformation happen without the actual alchemical strain of the initiatory rites? Rites and imaginations that feel very very real. The answers will vary and always divide the Jungians.
all those things youve asked about happen through the Spirit of TRUTH which proceeds from the Father. not the ego of the self for apart from the vine, the branches can do nothing and wither up and are thrown into the fire.
Ephesians 1:11 tells us:
in Him(Christ Jesus) we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him(The Spirit of TRUTH) who works all things according to the counsel of His(The Father's) will.
look into the etymology of the name Philemon. read the epistle to philemon. ask why he dwells among the dead and why he speaks to the living... ask why his dead seek teaching from the living if philemon is a archetype of jesus. then knock upon his door and see if he opens it.
Where is the rest of this talk?
Letter of Paul to Philemon, also called Epistle of St. Paul the Apostle to Philemon, abbreviation Philemon, brief New Testament letter written by St. Paul the Apostle to a wealthy Christian of Colossae, in the ancient Roman province of Asia (now in western Turkey), on behalf of Onesimus, who was enslaved to Philemon and may have run away from him. The epistle is the 18th book of the New Testament canon and was probably composed in Rome about 61 CE.
Paul, writing from prison, expresses affection for the newly converted Onesimus and asks Philemon to receive him as Philemon would receive Paul himself, even though Onesimus may be guilty of previous failings. While passing no judgment on slavery itself, Paul exhorts Philemon to manifest true Christian love, which removes barriers between enslaved people and free people.
Philemon from the roots Philia and Mons(etymology of Mountain of Brotherly Love, hence Philadelphia) also Phi-lemon(Lemon tree, sour fruit); Phil-E'mon(Brotherly Love and E'mon, variation of E'dom, land of Esau)
Interesting.
lmao bro. I'm still a novice when it comes to Jung but the first thing I learned was to understand symbols, metaphors and how Jung used them..
@dugi Begin with your dreams.
why EngLIsh?
Jungs guides were also 'Ka' and 'ELIjah' in addition to 'phILEmon', until later Jung only 'conversed' with phILEmon.
so the connection to EngLIsh and ELijah and phILEmon is recognizing that EngLIsh put the numbers 137 on the table of knowledge.
Thus if you wrote I^37 on the wailing wall and you hung a LEvI priest upside down like St. Peter crucified, i.e. rotated 180 degrees the LEvI priest would not see the 'numbers' I^37 but the letters LEvI.
coincidence?
4:20 Knowle/Noel ? sounds like he nailed it.
Richard Noll. He's quoting from the end of "The Jung Cult."
@@MAFion Thank you. I couldn't agree more with Noll. And I used to tell people that Man and His Symbols was my favorite book.
Carl Jung said this : " Thank God im Jung and not a Jungian"
Jung was/is a "god-man" and so is every human being that makes the journey to the other side of the collective unconscious. Truth is that every human has a Divine Soul or Self that is always the case. To realize and actualize that Self while alive as a human is to become whole or enlightened. The biggest sin of Christianity is its dogma that Jesus is the "one and only God-man". Rather, we are all children of G-d and have a spiritual nature like G-d. This is always already the case. Our deepest nature is not defined by religion or saviors. It is Nature...it is our deepest Nature. The problem is, people are wounded and became severed from their Self or deepest Nature.
Dave Hunt calls Philemon the Demon.
The same satan that inspired the necroquraniscon.
Absolutely. Carl Rogers, Freud all used Jungs work and the spiritual realm for wisdom that has today replaced the Bible.
IMO Carl Jung did indeed start a religion...psychiatry and true christianity are opposed to each other. Becoming self-reliant and not on Christ is egocentric and leads to pride. He recognized the need for humility but that humility is no longer a virtue in psychiatry.
well said