@@Totallynotkyubey oh believe me im aware its bullshit. Mot can just decide to not hold back. however, let us look at the implications Mot is stronger than YVHV, Stephen, and everyone else, and just decides to hold back.
This is the best way to show smt difficulty. You can do everything right and be competent, but if you miss one thing, or the A.I decides to be nasty, something horrible can and will always go wrong
Mot and Minotaur like to kick back drinks and talk about the perfect strategies they smashed. Minotaur: Then, you won't believe this, he managed to ditch Walter, THEN I CRIT HIM ANYWAYS, holy shit I was smirking Mot: HRNG
In Dx2 (an SMT mobile gatcha game) Mot has the passive skill Harmonious Death. This increases Mot's magic every second turn, plus give you one additional press turn icon. In other words, they know.
In SMT 4A he shows up in the bonus dungeon, Twisted Tokyo, as a regular enemy with an upgraded version of his Nocturne kit. Guardian's Eye is 3 press turns instead of 2, and Antichthon is an almighty attack like Megidolan except it lowers your stats if he's smirking.
@@NiGHTSnoob Oh for fuck's sake. Who APPROVED that!? Almighty attacks are a pain enough to deal with and they're even worse when it's possible for the AI to spam the most powerful "generic" Almighty attack multiple times in a row, so compounding the issue by allowing the AI to attack _even more often_ uninterrupted _and_ with the potential for even more power by crippling your party as a _secondary effect?!_ Sometimes I question the SMT team's capacity for game balance. Yes, I get it; he's part of a dungeon for late-game, post-game and ng+ players, but an enemy shouldn't be able to absolutely steamroll you even if you are playing as optimally as the devs intended.
Watches the beginning of the video: Alright, playing pretty good, hitting weak points, buffing, de buffing, healing, playing perfectly. End of the video: Dammit Mot.
i love how easy it is to break nocturne but also how nocturne can break itself against you, the best thing about this game is that fact that it can go both ways
For anyone curious: Yes you MUST dodge spam in order to fight him effectively. He will at most generate 6 additional turns and your only bet is make him waste turns. I beat him first try cause he never hit.
I was getting disappointed when it looked like there was going to be a happy ending to the fight, then Mot gave himself four extra turns and almost immediately won. I left satisfied.
Well, they don't use these specific skills anymore, but giving bosses ways of getting multiple turns is certainly something they've continued. Mot's script is just too unintelligent to keep their usage in check...
This is a beast eye Dear god There's more No (tf2 expiration date) Also, to anyone that is interested to hear my analysis on the Mot Buff in hardtype: Mot has a single buff in hardtype and it changes everything. In vanilla SMT3, the way to deal with Mot is very simple, just stack sukukaja and decrease Mot's accuracy with things like Fog Breath. Even if Mot stacked his magic attack to the max and has multiple turns, they just need to miss one single Megidolaon and we can just kick his ass (until he decides to dekunda). But in hardtype, makakaja has been replaced by Cadence (this is not shown in this video, but trust me, its true), which increase magic attack *AND ACCURACY*, which means the Decreasing-Mot's-accuracy-to-win strategy no longer works. Your only hope of survival is to pray.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 That works in vanilla but not in hard type. Cadence boosted megidolaon will kick demifiend's all the way to next year. czcams.com/video/M6r_b0whA6g/video.html
Or just burn him down fast enough. If you're going phys build then you can very easily burn Mot down with 2 taunts and a couple of tarukajas. Provided you get lucky and he doesn't spam beast eye.
Worst part about this is that Atlus decided to bring this particular Mot back in Apocalypse as a regular enemy encounter in the bonus dungeon where the Fiends are at...
every now and again i come back to watch this. and i instantly start laughing when i see this isn't just a 20s clip of some OP smtn meme. then i cry, realizing ONLY two and a half minutes is actually mercy.
Apparently Mot's Beast Eye spam is a glitch in his programming. Thank goodness for that because if this were intentionally designed the way the glitch makes it work, this fight would've been just badly designed.
this is probably where shido tyrant glare>debuff>buff>tyrant wave, and the mots in the last dungeon using sleep and megidolaon in the og P5 come from lol
This is why nocturne is so much harder than the persona games. The fact that a 999 damage weakness shot is just not at all indicative that you'll have a chance at winning is astounding to me as somehow who got introduced to megaten through Persona 4
I remember playing through Nocturne, and consulting GameFAQs for something on one of the Fiends. I ran across Mot's section while scrolling around, and there was a specially tagged warning about how Mot would very likely spam Beast Eye and attack spells until you died without giving you a turn. I dreaded that fight. When I finally went in, he spammed Beast Eye... and Dekunda. Barely did any damage to me the entire fight. I was quite relieved, but also kind of disappointed.
I think it's simply a fact that he didn't totally get rid of all mots buffs. Mott sometimes attacks before buffing, but i think he always tries to get max magic first. Thats why he needs a dekaja first not debilitate (debuff once and he'll be sure to use dekunda). I'm sure this dude beat this guy years ago, but for anyone that hasn't.
Smt3 : to win battles you have to buff yourself first Me: ok Smt3: well meet matador he debuff you in one turn and after him every single character will debuf you without no reason
he's using a massive amount of buffs, debuffing the boss, using some of the best thunder attacks in the game for that point, and still gets demolished. Mot was fucking broken
Damn dude when Mot stuck his hand out of his coffin like that and cast Megidolaon a bunch of times in a row I couldn’t help but accept that he was simply the better fighter even *if* he didn’t have all those extra turns 😀
It was in this version, yeah. Specifically, higher tiers of magic had > 100% accuracy. But it was taken out in later versions that reduce player de/buff stacking to 2 instead of 4.
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Apparently, I was the only person that actually beated Mot at my first try, 'cause I had Dante, and Mot decided to not spam (too much) beast eye. Didnt do that for me, so it's very weird to see this and other videos about Mot being a douche.
![Shin Megami Tensei 3 Nocturne [HARDTYPE] - Mot going out of control](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/M6r_b0whA6g/mqdefault.jpg)
Ah yes, that moment when Mot decides to press the "I win" button
This is the time when you turn of the tv, and the ps2 and go to bed. I cop this comment of another person but is aplicable here
LMAO 😂😂😂
Why can't I press it?
This is the most hardcore “SMT Nocturne is hard video” I’ve watched because it’s so competent until it all goes wrong
Yeah that scalated quickly the moment the game said "Fuck this guy in particular"
this is also made by the dude who MADE the hardtype mod and he got wrecked by his own mod
mot does not care if you are just a dude who downloaded the mod or the creator. if he wants you dead, he will make sure to spam beast eye to do so
Just imagine. If Mot were smarter, he could easily make this battle unbeatable just by spamming Beast's Eye more often.
Sometimes he does! ;)
how about only beast eye
how about...MORE BEAST EYE
@@Shrigmaxxing beast eye costs 1 mp, and mot has 3,000 mp
@@MakenaForest than he would be forced into regular attacks reflect phys easy clap
Mot: *spam beast eye*
The player: mom said is my time to have a turn
@@replaceablepelican9478 Realistic siblings.
*its my turn to have a turn
Mot, the kind of guy that wishes to have more wishes
Except he gets those extra wishes
ONE MORE TURN REJECTED
I'M THE MOT IN COFFIN
Me: It's not fair.
Mot: *DON'T*
*YOU*
*MEAN*
*IT'S*
*"MOT"*
*FAIR?!?!*
lets be real, its beast eye, beast eye, beast eye, makakaja, megidolaon. beast eye, dekunda, megidolaon
@@MakenaForest It's bullshit, that's what it is. This is what happens when you don't limit op skills.
@@Totallynotkyubey oh believe me im aware its bullshit. Mot can just decide to not hold back.
however, let us look at the implications
Mot is stronger than YVHV, Stephen, and everyone else, and just decides to hold back.
Bruh just git good
@@adachiandmarie6024 lowkey the worst advice you can give
I beat mot 2nd try. Pure luck. And he was spamming it too, but after a while he stopped in what i can only assume was a gesture of mercy
Late response, but enemies in this game - including bosses - can run out of MP.
@@helenfotopoulou5125 Beast Eye only cost 1 MP and mot has 3000...
@@davidgmtm93 Yeah, but what about Makakaja and Megidolaon?
@@helenfotopoulou5125 Can still win easily.
@@CereDulce37 True
This is the best way to show smt difficulty. You can do everything right and be competent, but if you miss one thing, or the A.I decides to be nasty, something horrible can and will always go wrong
So, pretty much the definition of not fun
@@the-ms8fz incorrect
This is a mod
Mot and Minotaur like to kick back drinks and talk about the perfect strategies they smashed.
Minotaur: Then, you won't believe this, he managed to ditch Walter, THEN I CRIT HIM ANYWAYS, holy shit I was smirking
Mot: HRNG
Systematic
In Dx2 (an SMT mobile gatcha game) Mot has the passive skill Harmonious Death. This increases Mot's magic every second turn, plus give you one additional press turn icon.
In other words, they know.
Iirc there is a cap of 60%. And even with all tricks you can't have more then 8 icons (16 actions at max) per turn.
In SMT 4A he shows up in the bonus dungeon, Twisted Tokyo, as a regular enemy with an upgraded version of his Nocturne kit. Guardian's Eye is 3 press turns instead of 2, and Antichthon is an almighty attack like Megidolan except it lowers your stats if he's smirking.
@@NiGHTSnoob Oh for fuck's sake. Who APPROVED that!? Almighty attacks are a pain enough to deal with and they're even worse when it's possible for the AI to spam the most powerful "generic" Almighty attack multiple times in a row, so compounding the issue by allowing the AI to attack _even more often_ uninterrupted _and_ with the potential for even more power by crippling your party as a _secondary effect?!_
Sometimes I question the SMT team's capacity for game balance. Yes, I get it; he's part of a dungeon for late-game, post-game and ng+ players, but an enemy shouldn't be able to absolutely steamroll you even if you are playing as optimally as the devs intended.
Watches the beginning of the video: Alright, playing pretty good, hitting weak points, buffing, de buffing, healing, playing perfectly.
End of the video: Dammit Mot.
That's the worst part. The Player did everything right.
Mot just said "no"
Thats was a wrap
Mot gave the whole party the middle finger.
i love how easy it is to break nocturne but also how nocturne can break itself against you, the best thing about this game is that fact that it can go both ways
Player : NOOO I WAS WINNING!!! YOU CAN'T JUST SPAM BEAST EYE AND MEGIDOLAON!!!
Mot: Beast Eye and Megidolaon goes hmmmmm
The coffin is for you.
Mot: "Okay, get in."
Whenever he started buffing his defense my actual reaction was "oh no... he's not dodge spamming."
For anyone curious:
Yes you MUST dodge spam in order to fight him effectively. He will at most generate 6 additional turns and your only bet is make him waste turns.
I beat him first try cause he never hit.
Nick F apparently on hard mode Mot can buff accuracy thanks to new moves he gain on hard mode.
@@justinhuang9320 I think that's the hardtype mod actually, going from what I've read in the comments here.
He also didn't Rakunda Mot.
Honestly he lacked alot on debuffs.
Warcry every turn or deblitate one level is nowhere near enough.
@@YasaiTsume i mean, he can use dekaja and dekunda still
When Mot said "HRNNNNG", I felt that.
I was getting disappointed when it looked like there was going to be a happy ending to the fight, then Mot gave himself four extra turns and almost immediately won. I left satisfied.
At last, the buffs are on, and nothing can go wrong!
2:00
OH NO! IT ALL WENT WRONG!
0:47 so no one’s going to mention white rider’s war cry
nyaaA
Freakin beautiful
very cool scream
Fear Mot and give press turns to him
That Beast Eye spamming is irritating as hell
Mot: *Use beast eye many times*
The player: *Turned into a skeleton*
Beast/Dragon eye was a mistake and ATLUS knows it. Why do you think it's so rare anymore?
Well, they don't use these specific skills anymore, but giving bosses ways of getting multiple turns is certainly something they've continued. Mot's script is just too unintelligent to keep their usage in check...
Before there was Tyrant's Glare, there was Dragon's Eye.
I really don't think it was a mistake; It's arguably pretty fair since you get 4/5 turns anyway
how do you edit skills in the files
I mean there's a difference between balancing out turns and literally pulling turns out of your ass whenever you feel like at no cost. ;P
I hope that they maintain Mot's AI for the remaster. Future generations must learn from our past mistakes.
It is.
His AI is random, though, it's not a fixed pattern.
You demon
The beast eye spam was fixed tho
oh hey, what are you having for dinner?
mot : Hmmmmmmm!!
Ok, hear me out:
Mot, but instead of Beast Eye, it has Dragon Eye
Oh fuck that would be so hard.....
What was a turn again?
@@cantufekci23
Turns are just a myth
@@cantufekci23
Turns are a lost concept that once existed but are now just a mere myth.
There is one truth:
*_Mot_*
Lucifer: "I'm a big fan you know"
TIme for this to happen in HD!
The amount of videos I’ve seen of people getting clarted by Mot must be at least over 100.
This is a beast eye
Dear god
There's more
No
(tf2 expiration date)
Also, to anyone that is interested to hear my analysis on the Mot Buff in hardtype:
Mot has a single buff in hardtype and it changes everything. In vanilla SMT3, the way to deal with Mot is very simple, just stack sukukaja and decrease Mot's accuracy with things like Fog Breath. Even if Mot stacked his magic attack to the max and has multiple turns, they just need to miss one single Megidolaon and we can just kick his ass (until he decides to dekunda). But in hardtype, makakaja has been replaced by Cadence (this is not shown in this video, but trust me, its true), which increase magic attack *AND ACCURACY*, which means the Decreasing-Mot's-accuracy-to-win strategy no longer works. Your only hope of survival is to pray.
So War Cry and Fog Breath alongside your Bolt Storms and pray for no Dekunda (or no Dekunda/Megidolaon before you act).
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 That works in vanilla but not in hard type. Cadence boosted megidolaon will kick demifiend's all the way to next year.
czcams.com/video/M6r_b0whA6g/video.html
Or just burn him down fast enough. If you're going phys build then you can very easily burn Mot down with 2 taunts and a couple of tarukajas. Provided you get lucky and he doesn't spam beast eye.
Worst part about this is that Atlus decided to bring this particular Mot back in Apocalypse as a regular enemy encounter in the bonus dungeon where the Fiends are at...
Classic Fatlus
I just imagine the Devs laughing their arses of in the chairs of the misery they inflicted upon everyone.
I wish I woulda encountered him... Woulda gotten a chuckle out of me.
Mot is just the parent who turns off the bumpers in the middle of a game of bowling
This is your daily reminder that SMT3 Nocturne is a fair and balanced game. Thank you
An ability that allows someone to be able to get more turns is the cheapest thing ever.
every now and again i come back to watch this. and i instantly start laughing when i see this isn't just a 20s clip of some OP smtn meme. then i cry, realizing ONLY two and a half minutes is actually mercy.
i wanna go to egypt
mom: we have egypt at home dear
egypt at home: *MMMMH*
Apparently Mot's Beast Eye spam is a glitch in his programming. Thank goodness for that because if this were intentionally designed the way the glitch makes it work, this fight would've been just badly designed.
Me, a persona enjoyer: Why the fuck is he spamming rakukaja.
Mot: Beast eye goes brrr.
Me: 👁👄👁
this is probably where shido tyrant glare>debuff>buff>tyrant wave, and the mots in the last dungeon using sleep and megidolaon in the og P5 come from lol
*MMMMH*
This is why nocturne is so much harder than the persona games. The fact that a 999 damage weakness shot is just not at all indicative that you'll have a chance at winning is astounding to me as somehow who got introduced to megaten through Persona 4
Granted, this is a mod that makes the game harder but still
Tbf this is hard type in vanilla nocturne mot has 3000 hp so he would’ve done enough damage to win the fight
oh yeah good old nocturne times
I remember playing through Nocturne, and consulting GameFAQs for something on one of the Fiends. I ran across Mot's section while scrolling around, and there was a specially tagged warning about how Mot would very likely spam Beast Eye and attack spells until you died without giving you a turn.
I dreaded that fight. When I finally went in, he spammed Beast Eye... and Dekunda. Barely did any damage to me the entire fight. I was quite relieved, but also kind of disappointed.
I think it's simply a fact that he didn't totally get rid of all mots buffs. Mott sometimes attacks before buffing, but i think he always tries to get max magic first. Thats why he needs a dekaja first not debilitate (debuff once and he'll be sure to use dekunda). I'm sure this dude beat this guy years ago, but for anyone that hasn't.
*ONE MORE FIEND REJECTED*
Mot spams Beast eye three times in a row
Me : oh shit that can't be good
scary shit when you think you did everything right and the boss just goes "lol nope"
Smt3 : to win battles you have to buff yourself first
Me: ok
Smt3: well meet matador he debuff you in one turn and after him every single character will debuf you without no reason
You can see the moment when his heart breaks
He was rather calm until you used Debilitate on 'em lol
Mot: it is 4 to 1 and you said I'm cheating?
Is this too much,or not enough?
You mean *Mot* much
he's using a massive amount of buffs, debuffing the boss, using some of the best thunder attacks in the game for that point, and still gets demolished.
Mot was fucking broken
I dunno why I genuinely thought you had that fight in the bag. The moment he used Beast Eye I knew it was over.
Damn dude when Mot stuck his hand out of his coffin like that and cast Megidolaon a bunch of times in a row I couldn’t help but accept that he was simply the better fighter even *if* he didn’t have all those extra turns 😀
When I saw the second makakaja I knew where this was going.
I can't wait to see these CZcamsrs reactions
Zombero, we need you back, the fuckers have nerfed Mot in the Remastered™®©.
hey man, could you give me some info in how you edited the stats and such?
demi-fiend: this is not fair
mot: thats the fun part
Mot: l gonna put some dirt in your eyes
The sound of that coffin opening is so satisfying, but I have a feeling it's going to be trauma-inducing once I get to playing cturne.
thats why i love this Mot guy
are buffs less effective in hard mode? no miss despite multiple sukukaja
It was in this version, yeah. Specifically, higher tiers of magic had > 100% accuracy. But it was taken out in later versions that reduce player de/buff stacking to 2 instead of 4.
I can't wait to lose my shit again on this in Nintendo Switch
All those sukukajas and not a single miss.
Pain.
ive been saving a magic mirror just for this
I love SMT 3 Noct-
I felt those dekundas in my soul
Not gonna lie, u got me in the first half
Ah yes. The Dark Souls of the SMT series.
The Dark Souls of the Dark Souls of Persona
Dark Souls: the SMT Nocturne of action RPGs.
DaSo and Nocturne make a pretty good couple
Yo how bout a SMT x Dark Souls game? But instead of J-Idols we get some def jam turn-based rpg
Beast/Dragon Eye would have been perfectly OK moves if they only worked on solid press turn icons. Seems like something stupid simple to program, too.
Is there still no fix to running hack on real ps2 without soflock in fight?
Hey, I've been wanting to play your rom hack for years, but I couldn't get it working on my PS2. I was just wondering if you had any plans to make it compatible, since my friends are having the same problem. From what I've read, it seems like an amazing hack. I just wish I could play it.
i got him to the point where he had no MP left anymore and couldnt do anything that was funny
After all that damage, I think it's justified! XD
Im jealous, how'd you get your riders to have such beefy skills?
"I grow tired of you, little one"
PFFFFFFFFFTTTTTT! I can’t helped but smirk at what just transpired. 😏
*"GunJack"* huh? This has to be a reference to *1997's Tekken 3....*
1:58 Mot: "ok now you really pissed me off"
Does anyone knows demi fiends VA in this version?
God I hope it's somewhat fixed in hd
Those voices for the riders sure sound different
Mot can I have a turn please?
i've never played an smt game but personally i find the enemy being able to give themselves an extra action to be a little op
Well get ready because bosses especially mid game bosses do that a lot
They're usually programmed to not spam it so often, but Mot gets looped into doing this for some reason
Apparently, I was the only person that actually beated Mot at my first try, 'cause I had Dante, and Mot decided to not spam (too much) beast eye. Didnt do that for me, so it's very weird to see this and other videos about Mot being a douche.
Is there a reason why the game crashes whenever I get into a fight?
Now I know this is late, but are you playing PAL?
@@user-yi5mt2df5q Oofie🤭
@@CereDulce37
What does that even mean?
@@user-yi5mt2df5q oofie🤭
Hardtype is unplayable on real ps2 - softlock in every battle. Still no fix from zombero..
oh yeah, a classic and normal mot fight
Demi-fiend and the gang: *is winning*
Mot: *summons gold experience requiem*
Also mot: kore ga requiem da
yep thats why only in SMT endure actually i use it
Gotta debuff him harder.
I know he use buff but did I just watch it crit too
The nocturne experience
Teacher: you can't hear emotion
Me:
ONE MORE TURN REJECTED, YOU WILL NEVER GET TO PLAY
I'm Mot gonna sugarcoat it.
*F E A R*
Imagine this,but remaked
Demi Fiend: And you are?
Mot: HRRRRMMMMMMMM
Demi Fiend: Oh, Better watch out for HRRRRMMMMMMMMMMM
Endure check
MOT MOMENT WHERE HE
MOT
Mot did the funny
Thank god in my 1st try Mot spam Beast eye but he missed 2 megidolaon