And yet they held back. Mad respect from me on that. It would have been so easy for them to have just said that instead of focusing on Cyborg being himself.
Part Robot works just as well or probably even better Edit: Atleast in the case of using it towards Starfire part Robot still works well because she can get idea of him being judged from how Cyborg is one of few humans that's mainly part robot and his struggles with being one
@@trueaura369 Yeah, I think it does. He lost his part of his humanity the day of his accident and he will NEVER get that part of himself back. He basically considered himself a monster when he’s introduced so it’s only natural that this is the part of himself that he brings up. That’s not to say his heritage isn’t important, but to cyborg… well, why wouldn’t the day you nearly died be at the forefront of his mind?
I love how in this episode Robin was absolutely fanboying over this guy, but the second he found out he was hurting starfire he instantly flipped on him
That's how things are supposed to be, unfortunately everyone is so caught up in para social relationships that they lose the common sense to criticize others when they deserve it.
@@Quincy_Morris Well you could say the same thing about americans, mexicans, germans, russians and humans in genral, just because one person in a group is bad doesnt mean the whole group is bad.
My favorite part of this episode is Robin's "what" when Cyborg explains what's going on. Imo that's low-key the angriest we see Robin. He loves and cares about her so much.
@@sheepj2464 I agree with that, views don't change in a single bout, it mostly a opens a door. It may not look like a big change, but them choosing to view atleast one as good gives the option on how they may base the others. Or a moment where we eventually pass through. Basically changing ideas is a marathon.
@@theathompson437 BRUH- I would straight up spit on his face😂 But it would only make it worse. Because being mean to him would comfirm all the horrible things he says about Tamaraneans. But being silent isn't an option either. Because it would also show him that you accept his statements about you, and that you have no arguments to prove him wrong. Basically, darned if you do and darned if you don't... That's why it sucks to deal with racist jerks!
In hs a classmate of mine called others in my class who we both didn’t like “monkeys belong in the zoo” and she didn’t see me walking behind her. And she said “ oh not u, ur a good one, ur different” lost a friend that day💯🙌🏾
It still stays as an issue, since biggots don't change in matters of seconds, just overtime. Metal boy hear isn't evil, just a person with flaws like his racism. The issue was the titans saw him less as "changing individual" and more so "lost cause". Since he wasn't, you don't remove people with terrible ideas by shutting out, they don't change just move somewhere else. The only way to do so is too coninutesly treat them like a human being, critise them for getting something wrong, STILL gving them credit for atleast changing. And I agree with Shady durags on his comment on Raven, unlike Starfire's race. Raven's race ate demons who choose and are born evil, just happens that she is one of the good ones. Unlike starfire where her race really doesn't have those things. Thats why one of the good ones is true for Raven and not for starfire, it's correctness.
@@swixhayes3877 I agree holding her at her mistakes, just not shutting her out entirely, thats what cops do to prisoners. If you want her to change comment on her atleast moving in a less biggoted direction while still commenting on her mistakes. You get rid of racism by changing their views, as the terrible idea fades away the less people take it seriously, by that is to see at it is: an absurdly idiotic belief. Basically she wasn't gonna change in a day, so give her more time and enough trust to continue as she going to stay the same and get worse because you saw her as a lost cause. I believe if would've give her the Love she needs(I mean it in Tough and caring were one both praises and critises as they want whats best for the person) she would've stayed a genuene friend. She wasn't a lost cause, you allowed her to be.
@@swixhayes3877 Real friends don't abandon friends for petty mistakes made. They criticise them when they're wrong and praise what they get right. So what does this rapid abandonment say about you as a friend. Should you be considered a good friend by them if you throw them away at the time of disagreement? Or is the hallmark of a good friend to stick by and see their friend through a problematic issue the right way. Distancing yourself is an extreme solution that should never be considered lightly. If et al it comes up as your first or even secondary options, were you even a friend to start with. Because in this context it sound like someone only liked the ring of the word itself but bailed the moment they had to choose to be one.🤷♂️ Just saying.
Well, Starfire probably wouldn't understand that human racism is based on skin color, so he went with what she'd understand: him being part robot when most people aren't.
It’s being less on the nose and in a way kids could more likely understand, while keeping with the internal conflict of his character. It’s smarter to say robot because his arc as a character is accepting it
And what made starfire a Hero, even with all that prejugdes she focused more on what mattered in the moment and future than her feelings. They do matter sure, just not now.
Jesus Christ the sovereign God loves you :" ) I hope you can personally get to know the Holy Trinity, God miraculously healed me of my chronic breathing issues that plagued me if not most nights then every single night for years God did this healing instantaneously within group prayer over my health
I really appreciate that the episode reminded kids that racism cannot be solved in a single day, and some people simply do not wish to change. That is important for everyone to understand.
I also like that if you rewatch the show, nearly every scene of the guy feels wrong. Like how he talks about the androids. We just don’t notice because he is talking about the evil robot race. Then when the humans call him out on his racism he says they are no better. Seems like he sees most species as less than himself.
They could've replaced Cyborg with anyone in that situation because racism is something anyone can possibly experience and message the episode is trying to convey would be the same.
Right?? Watching this as a child I just thought it was a cool lesson learn. But watching this as an adult, it's quite smart of them explaining to kids what racism feels like
Victor Stone was a popular jock in school with scholarship and friendships handed to him... the one major thing he lacked was the attention from his father. That is, until the boy suffered and explosion and nearly died, leading his father to turn him into Cyborg. From there, he proceeded to lose everything: his team dropped him for "unfair enhancements," his scholarships dried up due to him no longer being accepted to play basketball, his friends turned their backs calling him a freak, and I believe he had a girlfriend who left him too. This lead him to a suicidal depression and a hatred towards his dad... not to mention that Batman installed a virus on his network. Being black was a drop in the bucket compared to his life's traumas.
Robin would have snatched thay dudes chin and whisper “if you gone get off my fucking planet right now. Imma call my uncle Superman… he’s KRYPTONIAN… a kryptonian on a planet with a YELLOW SUN. You know what that mean? It means you in the dirt!
You know this is how you know it’s a good show. Not because it deal with topics like this but exposes its idiocy in a manner all can understand. The “part robot” thing went over my head for YEARS, even after learning about my heritage, until I turned 17 or so. It’s so masterfully done that either way it makes sense.
@spear2403 um no when I was a kid I watched that show more time then the amount of brain sells the average Genius has she's not as mean as raven or even Robin
Because modern Hollywood wants to show the racists being dunked on and beaten. They want to show them crashing into a manure truck Biff Tannen style and humiliated. They want to prove that racism or sexism or whatever is bad simply because they are losers who deserve hate. Teen Titans did it better by showing that racism can't just be defeated by beating the crap out of a racist. Sometimes it's more important to accept that some people are always going to be that way and it's better to pull yourself up above it rather than try to pull others down, like the racists would do to you.
It's interesting that the person getting the lesson on racial slurs is the black character actually. Maybe earthly human history in this timeline is different, but you'd think he'd get it
@@lilpetz500 I think it was the context, the moment she told him what it meant he knew….and he went with I’m part robot cause it’s a kids show so he couldn’t bring up the anti-black sentiment that black people face in America.
“Be who you are and say what you feel, because in the end those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter.” Theodor Seuss Geisel aka Dr. Seuss It's my favorite quote. Had to share the full version.
I thought you said it didn't mean anything. "No. It means nothing. When he calls me that, he's calling me nothing." I still remember that message all these years later
That's Why I Don't Use Nigha... That's What It Means, Less Than Nothing Even. I Just Can't At All After Wising Up And Learning More. Yesh I Am Black, And That's An Extra Sauce Of Why I Don't Cast That On My People Of Colour NOR Take It From Them. Tsk Tsk.
I think it depends on how you look at it. Sure, saying “I’m black” would’ve made sense if this wasn’t cyborg. At the start of the series he pretty much considered himself a monster and still has some trauma deep in his mind. It doesn’t feel like cautionary wordplay because it’s been mentioned before. Although, it ultimately leads to the same lesson. He’d rather be anything else other than what he currently is, but is still doing his best to handle it. That’s not to say his heritage isn’t important, but that accident is such a big event in his life that it’s probably what is going to be mentioned in situations like these. The part of him that’s a robot is what makes him feel different and that won’t change. He will NEVER get back that other human part of himself. No matter how much he wishes for that to be the case. I honestly felt like they should’ve brought up _both_ a lot more, but it is what it is.
Probably avoided black because it's a kids show, good inshow explanation is because Starfire is from Tamaran and probably doesn't know about racism on Earth
Stop implying stuff that isn’t there You’re telling me unironically that you fully believe that people care about his skin color more than the fact that he’s a walking talking war machine that can turn you to dust with a sneeze?
It's kinda the first step for bigots, before they start changing their world view. Can't expect people to drop their beliefs just cause they met an "exception" after all.
They are a source of racism 😅 jinx an originally Indian character was white washed into.. whatever she is now. But we are supposed to accept this halfassed episode that acts like the creators care about racism when they are a source of racism themself
@Randompiesintheeyes Crys having racial depictions and being the source of racism are two different thing. What truly makes a person racists(in most cases) is the environment they grew up in, or more specifically, their family.
Making Cyborg the initial point of contact may not have been subtle, but it was smart. I remember as a kid feeling cheated that they didn't punch Mr. CEO of Racism and end racism, but then I realized that's not how that works, unfortunately. And the show knew that, too. When people ask why I was so hard on the Teen Titans Go show, I am reminded that this is why.
For whatever reason, I kinda like how when Cyborg explained himself he said it was bc he was part robot. I felt like it would’ve been too obvious and kinda cheesy for him to say it was bc he was black. There’s a time and place to be explicit, but I think shows are more intelligent and more rewarding when the viewers can put 2 and 2 together for themselves.
@@knotationmusic It absolutely wouldn’t have been because of his skin color at the time this show was made either since racism has been long dead. It’s only perpetuated to continue existing by people who don’t know any better than to say they’re oppressed rather than simply realizing they can better themselves.
@Optimaloptimus50 50 There's no fucking way you legitimately think racism was dead during the early 2000s lmfao. I can already tell you only look at one side of the coin to keep your world view from being challenged.
Let me get this straight. You think the original Teen Titans can portray racism better than most cartoons today? It does. And I'm tired of pretending it doesn't.
You should’ve included the part when Cyborg said “but I thought you said it doesn’t mean anything” and Starfire responded with “no, I said it means ‘nothing.’”
Thanks for saying this because as someone who never watched the show I would have never known that Teen Titans had such an amazingly written interaction
@@artemisa1523 the first commenter made a mistake, bro Cyborg actually said, "I thought you said it means nothing" Then Starfire responded, "Yes it literally means nothing" Something along those lines The word "anything" was not involved whatsoever
Something I’ve noticed(and I think it was obvious) is that star fire gets really offended when cyborg calls her that name, because she actually values cyborgs opinions and they are Genuinely friends
I like how in one scene in this episode, Robin falls completely over heels for this guy, but as soon as he is told about Starfire, he switches up to demand an apology from him.
Honestly, love to see a guy value basic respect for minorities over his personal love for his idols. Cancel culture isn't about punishment or ruining things, it's about asking if we should keep platforming the hateful. Racists get cancelled, even if they do cool stuff outside of that.
@@abnormalnox I'm sorry to hear what you've gone through. I only hope you have become stronger through all the shit ignorant people as put you through.
She was ignorant, just like all of you who believe in BS like heroes with good hearts. Live in the REAL world and understand how disgusting humans truly are...
this is one of the (bigger) many reasons why i love and respect teen titans WAY more than teen titans go. they actually teach lessons, and the story actually makes sense instead of it being all immature stuff, unfunny jokes, unserious battles, etc. i wish that teen titans will be remembered again by those animators and voice actors, possibly could they create another season? who knows, its been so long..
Think the most important aspect we're all missing is how Starfire didn't let his cruelty change her, she stayed true to herself and risked her life to save a hateful man.
The African American community isn’t perfect and we have a lot of work to continue doing however people should be very aware that throughout our rough journey here in America, our civil rights leaders such as MLK have always taught and preached to us to be the bigger person, to not seek revenge and do not take the eye for an eye route. Do not become them…….
When Starfire asked Cyborg if he knows what it feels like to be judged by how you look, I legit thought that he was gonna say "Of course I do, I'm black" 💀
I've read a fan-theory somewhere that he said about being part-robot cause Starfire is from a planet where everyone have similar skin color so she could've not understand the 'issue' with being black.
@@kelseyswanepoel7056 I find that to be bullshit.. as if kids shows haven't tackled racism before.. static shock didn't get cancelled and the daddy damn sure didn't hold back when addressing him but ig.. if they were keeping it real in Starfire's situation they could have in cyborgs too bc it's literally the SAME THING.
Not only that but she was saying just because others judge you dont become judgemental yourself, which can apply to being racist or anything else as well, just a great message all around
lol. as if there was a "both sides" issue in most of those situations. there's usually the ones in the wrong in any given issue and we all fucking know who did what and when.
@@marcb.4401 You do realize white people haven't invented racism? Any group of people can be victims of racism and even slavery, white people were slaves as well. The word slave literally comes from the word Slav, we were under slavery for multiple hundreds of years. And the oldest record of slavery was found in Africa. Skin color has nothing to do with how you are as a person and how you should be judged and how to judge others. The only reason you think so off white people is because of western media. In the rest of the world we look at what other groups of people did as tragedies we shouldn't repeat but we aren't "race" obsessed like you Americans are. Also native Americans sold their own people into slavery don't forget that as well
@Trust by history, you mean the western history, in the middle east Arabs enslaved turks, kurds and persian cause "Arabs are the superior race" guess what, Arabs are black and turks, kurds and persians are the closest you can get to the Scandinavian white in middle east
“You must be one of the good ones” I literally had an old white couple say that to me when I was working as a nurse, Jesus. Teen Titans was ahead of its time with this
I love that the other Titans, once they learn what is really happening, IMMEDIATELY turn on the racist alien. They were practically worshipping his footsteps, but the second they realized their surrogate sister was suffering, they drop any idol worship and replace it with utter revulsion.
@@lauraw2526 Pls, tell that to assholes like Matt Walsh who basically do racism and homophobia for a living and cry about being cancelled after CZcams takes down their channel lol
@@pyr4625 Like... every person who's ever been harassed or sent death threats on sites like Twitter over stupid nonsense or for saying something twenty years ago that wasn't near as awful as this character?
I take what she said in the end with me all the time since I have watched this: “ there will always be people who say mean words because you’re different, sometimes their minds cannot be changed, but there are many other people who do not judge others based on how they look or they’re from those are the people whose words truly matter”❤ Of course, I’ve always known that before watching this, but I always remember how she said it and I always think about her with what I’m facing right now .
Good people do good deeds. Evil people can do good things.. I don’t know who you got that ridiculous line from but the line I’m going to steal is “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”
@@giyuutomioka6974 well you are good or you aren’t. If someone went back in time and shot baby Hitler they would be an awful human. They murdered an innocent baby. Pre horror is horror that hasn’t happened. They killed a baby. We can jump to a different time when Hitler made the plan. You can kill him then. Still an evil act. One I will stand by and be judged for it later. But the plan is set. Preemptive action is wrong, but legally justified.
“Of course I do, I’m black” Edit: no where did I say that all black people are oppressed, I was just saying that’s what they meant by “judging someone by how they look” it could be ethnicity, religion, or gender but as a black individual myself, I thought they meant “Of course I do, I’m black.” That’s what I interpreted from Cyborg when he says “Of course I do, I’m part robot.” In many cartoons they address racism indirectly giving the same message as “judging someone by how they look” so I’m sorry and I apologize to every and anyone who was offended. Thank you. [5-3-23]
If this show was made today, Cyborg would've said something about the color of his skin instead and gave us a victimization story like that couldn't happen to any other race. I'm glad they did the logical thing and had him relate due to his robot parts and not his skin color, which is why I can appreciate the subtle/possible implication that it may have also been because of his skin because that still could've been. That's the kind of message I can stick with.
When she says it means "nothing", she means he is literally calling her nothing. She isnt even a waste of space to him, because she is less than that too him
“There will always be people who say mean words because you are different. And sometimes their minds cannot be changed. But there are many more people who do not judge others based on how they look or where they are from. Those are the people whose words truly matter.” Such a powerful message.
Anyone that says “you’re one of the good ones” is simply too afraid to admit that any group of people is just as human and varied as everybody else, and are not the monolithic stereotypes society clings to.
Its ironic how both sides say that. But sometimes it really feels like a lot of of groups act the same way with the same topic. Even us being against racism react the same way (which is good, but i am trying to make a point with it)
If he was a better man who learned, he would’ve said something like “Maybe Tamarians aren’t as bad as I thought. If there are more like you out there, then I need to change my perspective”
“But there are many people who do not judge others based on how they look or where they are from. Those are the people whose words truly matter.” Starfire ate that💅
I think it was a great choice to have an alien explain this stuff to kids and teens. It removed any kind of preconceived notions and made the message more universal in many ways.
The fact that he didn't change in the episode made it feel like such a real thing. And it even ends on a good note in spite of it. Probably one of my favorite written episodes.
I do agree, but at the same time I would’ve loved to understand why. Like for real like what happened between him and Starfire people that made him so resentful of them. There has to be a reason for it.
@@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459I would say that arguably makes it more realistic. Sometimes racism doesn’t boil down to one simple reason or it can’t be explained. Also by not explaining the backstory there is no justifying his actions.
@@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459 I just don't know how a species capable of flight, super strength/durability, energy manipulation, can breath in space and can communicate with any species can be considered nothing ?🤷♂️ Like these guys are like discount kryptonians only they don't completely rely on sunlight that's insanely overpowered.
@@liberleo1384 The things Starfire can do only seem extraordinary to the other Titans but there are more than likely other species in her galaxy capable of alot more and are far more advanced so to them Starfire's people are kinda like what monkeys are to humans. Humans don't exactly view monkeys as equals.
I'm trying to parse whether Cyborg was more conscious of discrimination due to being part robot, because he grew up as a popular star athlete and the son of two famous scientists and might have been relatively insulated from racism, or whether he figured if Starfire didn't know about human racism, *he* didn't want to be the one to lower her opinion of humans by telling her about it. If I was friends with a superhuman alien princess, I don't know if I'd want to be the one to tell her about racism, sexism, homophobia, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, colonialism, or any of the other things that would make her think less of my entire species. I mean, she has a right to know, but I just don't want to be the one to see the look in her eyes when she finds out what kind of species I'm from.
I think a bit of meta narrative is at play. As the comments show before Cyborg even finished the sentence the audience is already thinking his contribution to the moment is being black. It's the thing people relate to more if not experienced themselves like I have. So out of context it's a reasonable assumption to make. But IN context, no duh the robot part is what he goes for. His episodes are mostly about that struggle. The audience should already know that, and yet we jump to the side of the tracks as we just "know" a person's history with discrimination simply based on looks instead of actually knowing what those moments were and how thwt person felt about them.
My immediate reaction:.....You..(inhale)...have flight, super strength, can shoot energy blasts from your hands AND eyes, but your considered inferior..? Holy shit... is everybody up there Kryptonians Now!?
Every alien race in fiction isbasically superhuman. For example, Martians in the DC universe can be more powerful than kryptonians in some circumstances
I’ll be honest, I love that they did the episode on Star and not Cyborg. Cyborg was obviously different in the sense that he was a robot and black, but you wouldn’t expect racism to negatively affect Star since she’s a princess. It really puts you into the perspective of dang: it’s not just black people that get affected by racism [hence why Cyborg responded to Star by saying he understood because he was a robot, not because he was black]. Episode was beautiful. Zero complaints. 10/10.
Doing it with Cyborg also would've been low-hanging fruit to be honest. "Oh, the guy's black, so clearly we need to make a statement on race relations." You can totally tell a story like that have it be successful, but doing it with aliens like Starfire make the message more general and tied into the lore of your world. You don't have to get bogged down as much by the accuracy and representation of real-life experiences either (e.g., making ham-fisted references to ongoing events, which can totally backfire as information becomes more available).
@@flarestorm9417 nowadays they would do and make Starfirw say the n-world and not talking "nigga" nonono THE n word which I'll get flagged if I type even with tons of "" as example. Then goes on all that woke bullshit and be told by Starfire since she is the alien trying to learn human culture.
"course I do, I'm part robot"
We all know what they meant
And yet they held back. Mad respect from me on that. It would have been so easy for them to have just said that instead of focusing on Cyborg being himself.
@@AlphaOmega1237 it’s more like they left it implies to preserve the innocence of the message.
Part Robot works just as well or probably even better
Edit: Atleast in the case of using it towards Starfire part Robot still works well because she can get idea of him being judged from how Cyborg is one of few humans that's mainly part robot and his struggles with being one
Either way, he’s my nigga
@@trueaura369 Yeah, I think it does. He lost his part of his humanity the day of his accident and he will NEVER get that part of himself back.
He basically considered himself a monster when he’s introduced so it’s only natural that this is the part of himself that he brings up.
That’s not to say his heritage isn’t important, but to cyborg… well, why wouldn’t the day you nearly died be at the forefront of his mind?
Bro discovered the alien N-word
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Whatever you say troq
@@Mcgriddles90210💀
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"Course I do, Im part robot"
*Yeah, thats definitely it*
CN wasn't going to address blatant racism back in the day so they addressed the handicapped/crippled.....
Totally not about skin colour
@percythegreenengine3627 what's left of it
NAW
Yeah down with whitey that source of the worlds problems
“I thought you said it doesn’t mean anything.”
“No, I said it means ‘nothing’.”
Biggest line of the episode.
It sticks differently when you realize what she meant. Being called worthless and nothing. I know how hard that hits.
It took the reply above me to realize what the comment meant-
I come across your comment every so often and it throws me off because we have similar pfps
@@carolinebergin4633 Same.
I love how in this episode Robin was absolutely fanboying over this guy, but the second he found out he was hurting starfire he instantly flipped on him
That's how things are supposed to be, unfortunately everyone is so caught up in para social relationships that they lose the common sense to criticize others when they deserve it.
Cyborg been called the n word
Some things are non negotiable…
I think it’s great that this show was teaching these kinds of lessons on how to act.
would you not stop liking someone right after finding out they are racist?
“You must be one of the good ones” really hit the nail with the backhanded compliments racists like to use.
Literally there are bad Tamaranians like Blackfire so he’s not wrong.
@@Quincy_Morris that applies to everyone. It’s not an excuse to generalize an entire race base upon preconceived notions.
@@Quincy_Morris Well you could say the same thing about americans, mexicans, germans, russians and humans in genral, just because one person in a group is bad doesnt mean the whole group is bad.
@@Quincy_Morris well yeah no shit any sentient race would have bad ones
@@Quincy_Morris ...Playing devils advocate is just another way of being a useless pessimistic dickweed
Starfire is criminally underrated. I love her so much.
Yo igual, es tan linda😭❤
We know, Robin
Rule 34
@@BlueLobster92 -🤓
Yeah they made her an idiot in the reboot
My favorite part of this episode is Robin's "what" when Cyborg explains what's going on. Imo that's low-key the angriest we see Robin. He loves and cares about her so much.
“You must be one of the good ones” NAAAAAHHHH 💀
It’s good they show it doesn’t change right away
On one hand that’s a deep cut, on the other it is usually the first step on the redemption arc.
@@AkaroXIV yea it’s a good view into how people change
@@sheepj2464 I agree with that, views don't change in a single bout, it mostly a opens a door.
It may not look like a big change, but them choosing to view atleast one as good gives the option on how they may base the others.
Or a moment where we eventually pass through.
Basically changing ideas is a marathon.
@@alexcat6685 next time he meets a tamarainean ( unless it’s black fire) he will probably do a double take x
The way Starfire said "You may not value my life but I still value yours" even after he was disgusted to be touched by her... She was a true hero
she's a dirty troq, maybe he isallergic to troq cooties or something xd
I can only hope that he recovers
I would not been so nice to him she’s better than me😂
@@theathompson437 BRUH- I would straight up spit on his face😂 But it would only make it worse. Because being mean to him would comfirm all the horrible things he says about Tamaraneans. But being silent isn't an option either. Because it would also show him that you accept his statements about you, and that you have no arguments to prove him wrong. Basically, darned if you do and darned if you don't... That's why it sucks to deal with racist jerks!
This episode change me how other beings in the universal see others...
Star fire was really out here spitting facts and life changing advice like a machine gun.
This was THE best portrayal of Starfire’s character and still is to this day.
Yeah but I like her DCAMU counterpart too
@@rickyronny4019 I would’ve liked that counterpart better if they hadn’t nerfed and done her dirty.
@@enderethan144 yeah she was done dirty. I still love she tho
@@rickyronny4019 Yeah I loved both her design and voice. She’s how imagine what an older and experienced Starfire would act.
@@enderethan144 yeah and her relationship with Dick. The best in the whole DC franchise imo
The fact that he GENUINELY said, "You must be one of the good ones!" Really cements the message they were trying to convey
In hs a classmate of mine called others in my class who we both didn’t like “monkeys belong in the zoo” and she didn’t see me walking behind her. And she said “ oh not u, ur a good one, ur different” lost a friend that day💯🙌🏾
It still stays as an issue, since biggots don't change in matters of seconds, just overtime.
Metal boy hear isn't evil, just a person with flaws like his racism.
The issue was the titans saw him less as "changing individual" and more so "lost cause".
Since he wasn't, you don't remove people with terrible ideas by shutting out, they don't change just move somewhere else.
The only way to do so is too coninutesly treat them like a human being, critise them for getting something wrong, STILL gving them credit for atleast changing.
And I agree with Shady durags on his comment on Raven, unlike Starfire's race. Raven's race ate demons who choose and are born evil, just happens that she is one of the good ones.
Unlike starfire where her race really doesn't have those things.
Thats why one of the good ones is true for Raven and not for starfire, it's correctness.
@@swixhayes3877 I agree holding her at her mistakes, just not shutting her out entirely, thats what cops do to prisoners.
If you want her to change comment on her atleast moving in a less biggoted direction while still commenting on her mistakes.
You get rid of racism by changing their views, as the terrible idea fades away the less people take it seriously, by that is to see at it is: an absurdly idiotic belief.
Basically she wasn't gonna change in a day, so give her more time and enough trust to continue as she going to stay the same and get worse because you saw her as a lost cause.
I believe if would've give her the Love she needs(I mean it in Tough and caring were one both praises and critises as they want whats best for the person) she would've stayed a genuene friend.
She wasn't a lost cause, you allowed her to be.
@@swixhayes3877 sounds like yous just the same as the other bunnies
@@swixhayes3877
Real friends don't abandon friends for petty mistakes made. They criticise them when they're wrong and praise what they get right.
So what does this rapid abandonment say about you as a friend. Should you be considered a good friend by them if you throw them away at the time of disagreement? Or is the hallmark of a good friend to stick by and see their friend through a problematic issue the right way.
Distancing yourself is an extreme solution that should never be considered lightly. If et al it comes up as your first or even secondary options, were you even a friend to start with. Because in this context it sound like someone only liked the ring of the word itself but bailed the moment they had to choose to be one.🤷♂️
Just saying.
" 'Course I do, I'm part robot." God that was gold
We all thought he wasn't going to say "robot". This cannot be denied
@@knuclear200x agreed
We can all agree he was gone say he black
and part black
@bortholomewjr what do you mean racism doesn't exist anymore
Funny how a kids show from the 2000s tackles racism better than shows for adults do now a days.
I thought Cyborg would say "of course I do, I'm black". Honestly, how it went was actually better if you think about it.
Edit: ok, guys, I get it.
Well, Starfire probably wouldn't understand that human racism is based on skin color, so he went with what she'd understand: him being part robot when most people aren't.
@@graphitebendy true
@@captain_chocolatealso it’s a kid’s show, they need to get the message across without being controversial
@@Coshade12 true
It’s being less on the nose and in a way kids could more likely understand, while keeping with the internal conflict of his character. It’s smarter to say robot because his arc as a character is accepting it
“You may not value my life, but I still value yours.” That shit hurt where it mattered.
And what made starfire a Hero, even with all that prejugdes she focused more on what mattered in the moment and future than her feelings.
They do matter sure, just not now.
in real life youd be stupid to save them.
@@johnynoway9127 then that makes you, no better than them. as you judged them, for what they are.
Jesus Christ the sovereign God loves you :" ) I hope you can personally get to know the Holy Trinity, God miraculously healed me of my chronic breathing issues that plagued me if not most nights then every single night for years
God did this healing instantaneously within group prayer over my health
Starfire is too precious, we don't deserve her.
I really appreciate that the episode reminded kids that racism cannot be solved in a single day, and some people simply do not wish to change. That is important for everyone to understand.
Also that racist arent related to one thing..
I also like that if you rewatch the show, nearly every scene of the guy feels wrong. Like how he talks about the androids. We just don’t notice because he is talking about the evil robot race. Then when the humans call him out on his racism he says they are no better.
Seems like he sees most species as less than himself.
@@Space0fox It is tho
@@Nostripe361 Like most humans do with let's say other life forms Hahaha
Exactly that's why I I love this show it's a childhood classic not only is it entertaining but it also has good messages
They coulda replaced Cyborg with BB and had him say, “of course I do, I’m green”
Blue Beetle isn’t green, he’s blue
@@themandeedubsBeast Boy-
@@themandeedubsblue beetle isn’t in this series dawg
They could've replaced Cyborg with anyone in that situation because racism is something anyone can possibly experience and message the episode is trying to convey would be the same.
@@kobe1338 you do realize you missed the joke, right?
Bro that's like if starlight said: "yo what's up Ni-"
Cyborg got the t-word pass 💀
If cy didn't give her the pass I will fr
He, in fact, did not💀 Starfire was about to beat the shit out if him
@@tasmsinist3rsix664 good point
😂😂
@@teddyboi001what do you Cyborg gave her the R pass
Teen Titans is one of the only shows that can explain racism without it sounding cringe and awkward.
Right?? Watching this as a child I just thought it was a cool lesson learn. But watching this as an adult, it's quite smart of them explaining to kids what racism feels like
@@ECAPS. And from my understanding, modern kid shows are nothing like that
Statick Shock did it first
@@kubglo7502 we need more shows now to tackle sensitive issues in a kid friendly way
Where, in another episode?
That fact that starfire goes through so much but still has the sweetest, kindest heart is just amazing to me
Bro, Starfire's quote was heartwarming and very very true, best quote I've ever heard so far
Cyborg: Ofc I do I'm Bla-
Director: AYY STOP
I mean don't bring up race and ask the black character does he know what it's like to be oppressed and look down upon
@@KariRichardson-py6hiyes of course we feel judged especially by you whites
@@KariRichardson-py6hijust fyi blacks are not oppressed. It's not the 1950s anymore
I mean to be fair, it's likely that Cyborg experiences far more discrimination from being part robot than he does because of his skin color.
Victor Stone was a popular jock in school with scholarship and friendships handed to him... the one major thing he lacked was the attention from his father. That is, until the boy suffered and explosion and nearly died, leading his father to turn him into Cyborg.
From there, he proceeded to lose everything: his team dropped him for "unfair enhancements," his scholarships dried up due to him no longer being accepted to play basketball, his friends turned their backs calling him a freak, and I believe he had a girlfriend who left him too. This lead him to a suicidal depression and a hatred towards his dad... not to mention that Batman installed a virus on his network.
Being black was a drop in the bucket compared to his life's traumas.
Wish this could've shown Robin's reaction to finding out about how Starfire had been treated. He was ready to throw hands no questions asked.
That he was.
It doesn’t really matter cause he probably believed it immediately and ready to run his fade
Robin would have snatched thay dudes chin and whisper “if you gone get off my fucking planet right now. Imma call my uncle Superman… he’s KRYPTONIAN… a kryptonian on a planet with a YELLOW SUN. You know what that mean? It means you in the dirt!
@@huntermoore7669 And he will not be gentle with you.
@@huntermoore7669 I just imagine that would be happened robin would be just like batman
You know this is how you know it’s a good show. Not because it deal with topics like this but exposes its idiocy in a manner all can understand. The “part robot” thing went over my head for YEARS, even after learning about my heritage, until I turned 17 or so. It’s so masterfully done that either way it makes sense.
Cyborg really got the short end of the stick
"You may not value my life, but I still value yours". Starfire is an absolute queen. 😢
Yay she is 😅🎉
technically princess
@@YouMatter.14true
And yet she's a jerk in Teen Titans go I miss this Starfire
@spear2403 um no when I was a kid I watched that show more time then the amount of brain sells the average Genius has she's not as mean as raven or even Robin
How does a kids show released in the 2000's handle racism better than 80% of Modern Hollywood?
Because modern Hollywood wants to show the racists being dunked on and beaten. They want to show them crashing into a manure truck Biff Tannen style and humiliated. They want to prove that racism or sexism or whatever is bad simply because they are losers who deserve hate. Teen Titans did it better by showing that racism can't just be defeated by beating the crap out of a racist. Sometimes it's more important to accept that some people are always going to be that way and it's better to pull yourself up above it rather than try to pull others down, like the racists would do to you.
This is a NPC comment.
Edit: I didn’t expect to get flamed this hard in the replies. What a unfortunate turn of events
Because modern Hollywood sucks
@@Aqu1ls_Curr3nt you are an npc comment
Simple really, this was created before ESG and modern cultural marxists invading the writing staff of nearly every production in entertainment
OG Teen Titans was SOOO Goated 😔
"Of course I do. I'm part robot." Kills me every fucking time 😂😂
“You know what it feels like to be judged simply because of how you look?”
Cyborg: 👁👄👁
To be fair, as an alien I don’t think she knew the history of what black propel go through :p
Let alone being a cyborg
It's interesting that the person getting the lesson on racial slurs is the black character actually. Maybe earthly human history in this timeline is different, but you'd think he'd get it
@@lilpetz500 I think it was the context, the moment she told him what it meant he knew….and he went with I’m part robot cause it’s a kids show so he couldn’t bring up the anti-black sentiment that black people face in America.
You mean 👁👄🔴
@@Immortalangel14 oml HAHAHAHAHA
“The people that mind, don’t matter. The people that matter, don’t mind.” Something I’ve tried to live by for years. Starfire really put that so well
This honestly is something people should think about once in a while. To put others before them.
E
“Be who you are and say what you feel, because in the end those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter.”
Theodor Seuss Geisel aka Dr. Seuss
It's my favorite quote. Had to share the full version.
I don’t think that’s her quote tho
Shut up troq
“Of course I do I’m part robot”
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. That’s why…
THIS is how you handle deeper writing in a show for families and kids
I thought you said it didn't mean anything. "No. It means nothing. When he calls me that, he's calling me nothing." I still remember that message all these years later
What episode is this by the way
@@he1pppp I personally don't know
@@he1pppp the episode is just called Troq (season 4 episode 6)
@@severinvogt2875 i find this funny because in other words the episode was called Ni99@
That's Why I Don't Use Nigha... That's What It Means, Less Than Nothing Even. I Just Can't At All After Wising Up And Learning More.
Yesh I Am Black, And That's An Extra Sauce Of Why I Don't Cast That On My People Of Colour NOR Take It From Them. Tsk Tsk.
I like how he said “I’m part robot” instead of “I’m black”. It’s funny and it also just makes it more suitable for a kid audience.
I think it depends on how you look at it. Sure, saying “I’m black” would’ve made sense if this wasn’t cyborg. At the start of the series he pretty much considered himself a monster and still has some trauma deep in his mind.
It doesn’t feel like cautionary wordplay because it’s been mentioned before. Although, it ultimately leads to the same lesson.
He’d rather be anything else other than what he currently is, but is still doing his best to handle it.
That’s not to say his heritage isn’t important, but that accident is such a big event in his life that it’s probably what is going to be mentioned in situations like these.
The part of him that’s a robot is what makes him feel different and that won’t change.
He will NEVER get back that other human part of himself. No matter how much he wishes for that to be the case.
I honestly felt like they should’ve brought up _both_ a lot more, but it is what it is.
@moistfist1054 I mean I love that interpretation, I really do. But I think he just said that so he doesn't have to explain Earth racism to Star
Probably avoided black because it's a kids show, good inshow explanation is because Starfire is from Tamaran and probably doesn't know about racism on Earth
I like it because it makes it more versatile
Stop implying stuff that isn’t there
You’re telling me unironically that you fully believe that people care about his skin color more than the fact that he’s a walking talking war machine that can turn you to dust with a sneeze?
If Robin knew earlier than he did 💀💀💀💀💀💀
❤❤❤ Good job star fire you just made my harm melted a little bit😢
Teen titans: valuable life lessons
Teen titans go!: fart jokes and food
damn… how far we’ve fallen.
@@RazzBeri1 We are truly evolving backwards.
The world is becoming more and more stupid
@@menartd2618 Devolution at its finest
I mean
Much respect to the people who worked on this episode. They perfectly handled message and it broke my heart
Frfr
Sadly modern day cartoons and movies try to force the message and ruin the show
Modern day shows will never live up to these legendary cartoons
Frfr
@@kachiedits6231 fax
Kinda wish they at least gave the commander some leeway at the end, only because having your entire perspective changed takes some getting used too😅
Cyborg really said the t-word.... can we cancel him?
Tbf he didn't know and immediately stopped saying it
I love how cyborg is like I’m part robot. Not I’m part black
Cyborg: “nice job troqie”
Starfire: “whats up my ni-“
Lol don’t
…
I'M CALLING THA LAWD!!!
Star is way to nice for that
She probably got that pass though since she's got orange melanin.
Bro really said "you are one of the good ones" 💀
It's kinda the first step for bigots, before they start changing their world view.
Can't expect people to drop their beliefs just cause they met an "exception" after all.
Doesn't matter if they're black, white or orange. That's not an acceptable thing to say to someone, though it's better than straight up prejudice
@@stoutsprout4297 meh i take it as a compliment ngl
@@kibbylollove yourself bro you're not any less valuable because of where you were born
“Of course, I’m part robot.” Definitely wasn’t the part I was thinking💀
cyborg knowing racism through his ROBOT heritage is crazy
They handled racism way better than most people do nowadays.
They are a source of racism 😅 jinx an originally Indian character was white washed into.. whatever she is now. But we are supposed to accept this halfassed episode that acts like the creators care about racism when they are a source of racism themself
@@Hawtttsoup they're a source of racism because they made jinx a different skin color?
Way better than any commercial or propaganda
@@Hawtttsoup so by this logic the little mermaid movie is racist 😭🤦♂️ dumb ahh comment
@Randompiesintheeyes Crys having racial depictions and being the source of racism are two different thing. What truly makes a person racists(in most cases) is the environment they grew up in, or more specifically, their family.
Making Cyborg the initial point of contact may not have been subtle, but it was smart. I remember as a kid feeling cheated that they didn't punch Mr. CEO of Racism and end racism, but then I realized that's not how that works, unfortunately. And the show knew that, too.
When people ask why I was so hard on the Teen Titans Go show, I am reminded that this is why.
For whatever reason, I kinda like how when Cyborg explained himself he said it was bc he was part robot. I felt like it would’ve been too obvious and kinda cheesy for him to say it was bc he was black. There’s a time and place to be explicit, but I think shows are more intelligent and more rewarding when the viewers can put 2 and 2 together for themselves.
@@knotationmusicdifferent times different world
@@knotationmusic It absolutely wouldn’t have been because of his skin color at the time this show was made either since racism has been long dead. It’s only perpetuated to continue existing by people who don’t know any better than to say they’re oppressed rather than simply realizing they can better themselves.
@@Optimaloptimus Brother u missing a /s or some brain cells
@Optimaloptimus50 50 There's no fucking way you legitimately think racism was dead during the early 2000s lmfao. I can already tell you only look at one side of the coin to keep your world view from being challenged.
why does the "you may not value my life but i still value yours" hit so hard 😭
Let me get this straight. You think the original Teen Titans can portray racism better than most cartoons today?
It does. And I'm tired of pretending it doesn't.
“Theres nothing you could have done” to change how others others feel about most cartoons but you should value those who care about the og teen titans
If it wasn't this cartoon I was gonna say Steven Universe
You should’ve included the part when Cyborg said “but I thought you said it doesn’t mean anything” and Starfire responded with “no, I said it means ‘nothing.’”
Thanks for saying this because as someone who never watched the show I would have never known that Teen Titans had such an amazingly written interaction
@@shinobix4925 It's no problem!
I'm sorry English is not my first language. I don't understand the difference between "it doesn't mean anything" and "it's means nothing"
@@artemisa1523 the first commenter made a mistake, bro
Cyborg actually said, "I thought you said it means nothing"
Then Starfire responded, "Yes it literally means nothing"
Something along those lines
The word "anything" was not involved whatsoever
@@artemisa1523 but to clear your confusion on that
"It doesn't mean anything" and
"It means nothing" literally have the same meaning, the same idea
Something I’ve noticed(and I think it was obvious) is that star fire gets really offended when cyborg calls her that name, because she actually values cyborgs opinions and they are Genuinely friends
And I think she was starting to crack. It hurt her that someone felt she was worthless but she was holding back just how much it hurt her
She literally explained this in the video we all watched. His words didn’t matter but cyborgs did. She said that. In the video. That we just watched.
@@timekiller882 😂
Yes we all saw the short
@@timekiller882 to be fair she really should have been more clear I feel bad for cyborg my man didn’t know understand the meaning
“You may not value my life but I still value yours” I plan to get that line tattooed on my back
I loved her speech😢😢😭😭
I like how in one scene in this episode, Robin falls completely over heels for this guy, but as soon as he is told about Starfire, he switches up to demand an apology from him.
"We need to tell Robin."
"Please, no."
"Starfire, he'd *want* to know."
it’s like that one episode in B99 when jake decks his idol cuz of what he said about holt
@@shadowshine3409 great scene in a great show
No hesitation once he realized that guy was disrespecting his friend and team member. Like a true leader!
Honestly, love to see a guy value basic respect for minorities over his personal love for his idols. Cancel culture isn't about punishment or ruining things, it's about asking if we should keep platforming the hateful. Racists get cancelled, even if they do cool stuff outside of that.
"Must be one of the good ones" makes it only more accurate
Yo I remember this episode and never picked up on the undertones. Love this show
True. Many cartoon learn me
Man...can't even tell you how many times that's been said to me
@@abnormalnox I'm sorry to hear what you've gone through. I only hope you have become stronger through all the shit ignorant people as put you through.
Imagine if, so lightened up, he hangs around her more and feels entitled to stroke her hair.
Now this is how you tackle hard topics in media. Movies and TV Shows don’t do this well anymore.
This episode is so important for so many reasons.
Imagine if Cyborg said "troq" again and Starfire just goes "what's up my ni-"
Word 😂
She could also hit him with "clanker"
(From clone wars)
@@jjoe2073 lmao
Reminds me of when Kitty Pryde hit Bishop with the riskiest N-word in comics history lol
@@joshjones9749Explain pls?
"You may not value my life, but I STILL VALUE YOURS!"
Easily one of Starfire's best quotes in the entire series. She truly has the heart of a hero.
This is why I'm a fan of super heroes.
She was ignorant, just like all of you who believe in BS like heroes with good hearts. Live in the REAL world and understand how disgusting humans truly are...
this is one of the (bigger) many reasons why i love and respect teen titans WAY more than teen titans go. they actually teach lessons, and the story actually makes sense instead of it being all immature stuff, unfunny jokes, unserious battles, etc. i wish that teen titans will be remembered again by those animators and voice actors, possibly could they create another season? who knows, its been so long..
Cyborg isn’t only half robot,he’s also faced hate for another attribute of his looks
Think the most important aspect we're all missing is how Starfire didn't let his cruelty change her, she stayed true to herself and risked her life to save a hateful man.
Yes, but sometimes too much hate leads to mental health issues.
I think people should stop doing that
Maybe she was only meant to plant the seed of compassion, and not necessarily harvest the fruits.
The African American community isn’t perfect and we have a lot of work to continue doing however people should be very aware that throughout our rough journey here in America, our civil rights leaders such as MLK have always taught and preached to us to be the bigger person, to not seek revenge and do not take the eye for an eye route. Do not become them…….
@@Justyn-ns8jo but how…? How do you tolerate such abuse when it’s racism?
When Starfire asked Cyborg if he knows what it feels like to be judged by how you look, I legit thought that he was gonna say "Of course I do, I'm black" 💀
Me too
I've read a fan-theory somewhere that he said about being part-robot cause Starfire is from a planet where everyone have similar skin color so she could've not understand the 'issue' with being black.
Would have been canceled if they'd brought a real world issue up so blatantly. They did this well.
@@emilia-4911Oooh, I love this
@@kelseyswanepoel7056 I find that to be bullshit.. as if kids shows haven't tackled racism before.. static shock didn't get cancelled and the daddy damn sure didn't hold back when addressing him but ig.. if they were keeping it real in Starfire's situation they could have in cyborgs too bc it's literally the SAME THING.
"you're one of the good ones" is insane😭
The worst part is there are people who really try and use that line to deflect from their own bigotry.
"One of the GOOD ones". That line is just too real, man.
The fact they explained racism in what 15 minuets just shows the amount of care and respect the creators and animators had towards this show
"minutes" 🤓
@@emilioegas9275yes you are a nerd, so what?
And then Teen Titans GO happened 😑
@@DeckinHD We don't speak that name here. It is an evil thing.
Not only that but she was saying just because others judge you dont become judgemental yourself, which can apply to being racist or anything else as well, just a great message all around
I always loved how they did an entire episode on race relations without blaming a specific group.
@@trust8742 What? I am white though? I wasn't being sarcastic. I like how they did the episode.
lol. as if there was a "both sides" issue in most of those situations. there's usually the ones in the wrong in any given issue and we all fucking know who did what and when.
@@marcb.4401 You do realize white people haven't invented racism? Any group of people can be victims of racism and even slavery, white people were slaves as well. The word slave literally comes from the word Slav, we were under slavery for multiple hundreds of years. And the oldest record of slavery was found in Africa. Skin color has nothing to do with how you are as a person and how you should be judged and how to judge others. The only reason you think so off white people is because of western media. In the rest of the world we look at what other groups of people did as tragedies we shouldn't repeat but we aren't "race" obsessed like you Americans are. Also native Americans sold their own people into slavery don't forget that as well
@Trust by history, you mean the western history, in the middle east Arabs enslaved turks, kurds and persian cause "Arabs are the superior race" guess what, Arabs are black and turks, kurds and persians are the closest you can get to the Scandinavian white in middle east
@Trust White people did not create slavery, it’s happened across all the races.
I swear 2000s DC cartoons were something else. They kept it real.
“You must be one of the good ones” I literally had an old white couple say that to me when I was working as a nurse, Jesus. Teen Titans was ahead of its time with this
Exactly, people aren't gonna drop what they've been taught for years simply because one of those people helped them.
You should have fired back with ,"and you must the ones who won't be remembered when they pass on 😂."
@@Fairshotproductions if he'd said that he wouldn't be one of the ones ones, no?
@@cosmefulanito5052they don’t have to be “one of the good ones”
@@roboticartist2793 That is actually wrong. There have been people who stopped being racist on account of meeting good black folk.
I love that the other Titans, once they learn what is really happening, IMMEDIATELY turn on the racist alien. They were practically worshipping his footsteps, but the second they realized their surrogate sister was suffering, they drop any idol worship and replace it with utter revulsion.
In real life, he'd have a lot of defenders over being canceled
@@seanwhitehall4652 No he wouldn't. That's just what people like you tell yourselves to justify harassing people who did nothing wrong.
@@lauraw2526 Like?
@@lauraw2526 Pls, tell that to assholes like Matt Walsh who basically do racism and homophobia for a living and cry about being cancelled after CZcams takes down their channel lol
@@pyr4625 Like... every person who's ever been harassed or sent death threats on sites like Twitter over stupid nonsense or for saying something twenty years ago that wasn't near as awful as this character?
I take what she said in the end with me all the time since I have watched this: “ there will always be people who say mean words because you’re different, sometimes their minds cannot be changed, but there are many other people who do not judge others based on how they look or they’re from those are the people whose words truly matter”❤
Of course, I’ve always known that before watching this, but I always remember how she said it and I always think about her with what I’m facing right now .
I just broke off a 6 year relationship with a terrible friend group. I absolutely needed to hear this today.
Starfire sounds like the kind of hero who'd say "good is not a thing you are, it is a thing you do."
She sounds like the kind of hero who steals inspirational quotes from a certain Marvel character.
Good people do good deeds. Evil people can do good things.. I don’t know who you got that ridiculous line from but the line I’m going to steal is “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”
@@youtubesucks3811 well good is not a thing you are, it is a thing you do, was I think Said by Ms.marvel
@@giyuutomioka6974 well you are good or you aren’t. If someone went back in time and shot baby Hitler they would be an awful human. They murdered an innocent baby. Pre horror is horror that hasn’t happened. They killed a baby. We can jump to a different time when Hitler made the plan. You can kill him then. Still an evil act. One I will stand by and be judged for it later. But the plan is set. Preemptive action is wrong, but legally justified.
@@giyuutomioka6974 we are getting into philosophy and moral reasoning. You can tell me to f off, I won’t be insulted
“Of course I do, I’m black”
Edit: no where did I say that all black people are oppressed, I was just saying that’s what they meant by “judging someone by how they look” it could be ethnicity, religion, or gender but as a black individual myself, I thought they meant “Of course I do, I’m black.” That’s what I interpreted from Cyborg when he says “Of course I do, I’m part robot.” In many cartoons they address racism indirectly giving the same message as “judging someone by how they look” so I’m sorry and I apologize to every and anyone who was offended. Thank you. [5-3-23]
Victim card
Vitamin Card
Literally not what he said nor is it implied
@@gabrielsalahi3656ohhhhh that’s so how they implied it lmaooo
W victim card
Cartoons aren’t written like this anymore.
If this show was made today, Cyborg would've said something about the color of his skin instead and gave us a victimization story like that couldn't happen to any other race. I'm glad they did the logical thing and had him relate due to his robot parts and not his skin color, which is why I can appreciate the subtle/possible implication that it may have also been because of his skin because that still could've been. That's the kind of message I can stick with.
For all her naiveté, starfire is incredibly wise in her own way.
She’s only naive about earth
She's only naive in terms of Earth n hunan culture.
@@syrusangi8743 as a fellow hunan i confirm
@@Blehdits shaddaaap 😭
Shady durag den episode on this not too long ago and he said the exact same thing. Cartoon Network hit different back in those days
When she says it means "nothing", she means he is literally calling her nothing. She isnt even a waste of space to him, because she is less than that too him
I know, they should have put that line in this short.
YES! I forgot that part
Crazy how the teen titans tries to act kinda liberal when they whitewashed Jinx and acted like nothing happened
@@Hawtttsoup the jinx of the series is basically another character from de comics
@@Hawtttsoup But Jinx is hotter that way 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Teen Titans is teaching kids listens like this
Meanwhile TTG is showing songs about toilets 💀
“There will always be people who say mean words because you are different. And sometimes their minds cannot be changed. But there are many more people who do not judge others based on how they look or where they are from. Those are the people whose words truly matter.” Such a powerful message.
Anyone that says “you’re one of the good ones” is simply too afraid to admit that any group of people is just as human and varied as everybody else, and are not the monolithic stereotypes society clings to.
now they use terms such as "ally"
if you are not an "ally" then you are no good, you are an other, and you do not deserve.
Its ironic how both sides say that. But sometimes it really feels like a lot of of groups act the same way with the same topic.
Even us being against racism react the same way (which is good, but i am trying to make a point with it)
@@Gonzas97 the intolerance of the tolerant.
Everyone's a hypocrite when it comes to this shi. Why can't we just leave each other alone mane 😢
If he was a better man who learned, he would’ve said something like “Maybe Tamarians aren’t as bad as I thought. If there are more like you out there, then I need to change my perspective”
My mother did that with me and my queerness I despise that.
“Of course I understand I’m bla- I mean half robot.”
“You mean a ni-“ -👨🦳
@@KoreanGamer9414 gga 👴
@@KoreanGamer9414a nibot
@@Oscar.224 you made me laugh a lot longer than I should have 😂
Cringe comment section… ✊🏾✊🏾🫡
_”You must be one of the good ones”_
*this alien called her the racist word in her hometown, bruh* 😐
“But there are many people who do not judge others based on how they look or where they are from. Those are the people whose words truly matter.”
Starfire ate that💅
I think it was a great choice to have an alien explain this stuff to kids and teens. It removed any kind of preconceived notions and made the message more universal in many ways.
Agreed. No agenda being pushed on anyone.
"universal" literally!
@@dblum, Fr.
“you must be one of the good ones” jesus they tackled this subject so accurately
Can’t believe we traded this for fart and piss humor
Back when cartoons taught kids life lessons not subliminal messages
The fact that he didn't change in the episode made it feel like such a real thing. And it even ends on a good note in spite of it. Probably one of my favorite written episodes.
I do agree, but at the same time I would’ve loved to understand why. Like for real like what happened between him and Starfire people that made him so resentful of them. There has to be a reason for it.
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Some people are just asshole racists
@@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459I would say that arguably makes it more realistic. Sometimes racism doesn’t boil down to one simple reason or it can’t be explained. Also by not explaining the backstory there is no justifying his actions.
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I just don't know how a species capable of flight, super strength/durability, energy manipulation, can breath in space and can communicate with any species can be considered nothing ?🤷♂️
Like these guys are like discount kryptonians only they don't completely rely on sunlight that's insanely overpowered.
@@liberleo1384 The things Starfire can do only seem extraordinary to the other Titans but there are more than likely other species in her galaxy capable of alot more and are far more advanced so to them Starfire's people are kinda like what monkeys are to humans. Humans don't exactly view monkeys as equals.
Someone call Captain Atom so he can sue Val-Yor for tainting his reputation.
Captain Atom is like Val-Yor except he’s an ableist towards superheroes with no superpowers. He insults Batman in the Brave and the Bold show.
@@benjaminjenkins7684 Ok, that's one version of him that isn't so good. The mainline comic version isn't quite that bad.
@@jeffreygao3956 Isn't the JLU version like all good and patriotic, which put him against the League for an episode?
More like Major Force. The discount Captain Atom.
Yep
I'm trying to parse whether Cyborg was more conscious of discrimination due to being part robot, because he grew up as a popular star athlete and the son of two famous scientists and might have been relatively insulated from racism, or whether he figured if Starfire didn't know about human racism, *he* didn't want to be the one to lower her opinion of humans by telling her about it.
If I was friends with a superhuman alien princess, I don't know if I'd want to be the one to tell her about racism, sexism, homophobia, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, colonialism, or any of the other things that would make her think less of my entire species. I mean, she has a right to know, but I just don't want to be the one to see the look in her eyes when she finds out what kind of species I'm from.
I think a bit of meta narrative is at play. As the comments show before Cyborg even finished the sentence the audience is already thinking his contribution to the moment is being black. It's the thing people relate to more if not experienced themselves like I have. So out of context it's a reasonable assumption to make.
But IN context, no duh the robot part is what he goes for. His episodes are mostly about that struggle. The audience should already know that, and yet we jump to the side of the tracks as we just "know" a person's history with discrimination simply based on looks instead of actually knowing what those moments were and how thwt person felt about them.
I can’t be the only one who snickered at “of course I do, I part robot”
My immediate reaction:.....You..(inhale)...have flight, super strength, can shoot energy blasts from your hands AND eyes, but your considered inferior..? Holy shit... is everybody up there Kryptonians Now!?
I mean
To be fair
Black people are faster, can chill in the sun without dying
And
Jewish people can make cash like crazy
@@Literally___Me Jewish isn't a race, you Neanderthal.
Starfire was an experiment, but most tamaraneans can still do stuff
Every alien race in fiction isbasically superhuman. For example, Martians in the DC universe can be more powerful than kryptonians in some circumstances
Yeah, she can basically do everything Superman can do, except naturally (no yellow sun needed) and without the weakness to a surprisingly common rock
I’ll be honest, I love that they did the episode on Star and not Cyborg.
Cyborg was obviously different in the sense that he was a robot and black, but you wouldn’t expect racism to negatively affect Star since she’s a princess. It really puts you into the perspective of dang: it’s not just black people that get affected by racism [hence why Cyborg responded to Star by saying he understood because he was a robot, not because he was black].
Episode was beautiful. Zero complaints. 10/10.
Right, the problem is not that different types of people exist, the problem is treating them shitty because of it.
@@batmaniscool321 what is the name?
Doing it with Cyborg also would've been low-hanging fruit to be honest. "Oh, the guy's black, so clearly we need to make a statement on race relations." You can totally tell a story like that have it be successful, but doing it with aliens like Starfire make the message more general and tied into the lore of your world. You don't have to get bogged down as much by the accuracy and representation of real-life experiences either (e.g., making ham-fisted references to ongoing events, which can totally backfire as information becomes more available).
@@flarestorm9417 that’s a wonderful take on it too.
@@flarestorm9417 nowadays they would do and make Starfirw say the n-world and not talking "nigga" nonono THE n word which I'll get flagged if I type even with tons of "" as example.
Then goes on all that woke bullshit and be told by Starfire since she is the alien trying to learn human culture.
Just remember, they went from beautiful episodes and handled real life lessons well, to Teen Titans Go
Starfire I love her voice and her energy as a actor
"Those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
Didn’t Dr. Seuss make racist imagery and cartoons though
@@crimsonlotus1084 indeed.
also cheated on his wife while she was dying of cancer lmfao
@@hannahwysong1134 Lmao guess she didn't matter cause she mind 🤣
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