I don’t understand, why...when a nation, doesn’t ask, or it people don’t beg or aren’t being slaughtered on an enormous scale for no reason, and it’s not beneficial to the areas stabilty...we have a habit of sending hundreds of thousands of troops to launch a massive invasion, full blown war and occupation. Then a place like Syria, where for years I’ve seen millions upon millions be displaced, hundreds of thousands be murdered in, torture/death camps for Sunni or any potential Assad opposers, on a scale so large crematoriums likely were used to dispose of bodies. The guy has his palace overlooking a camp 100-200 people twice a week would be hung and like “Schindlers List”, it is PERFECT .223, .308, 6.5 clover range, a horrible death camp where outside his balcony he has what looks is a 300-600 yard overview of its outside. The guy “moved” chemical weapons around, them gassed children to death and has gassed thousands of people, filled barrels with gas and chlorine and destroyed hospitals and schools to wipe our villages, displaced 12 million, we found a rebel group of Sunni-Kurdish and even Assyrian Christian fighters who had at one point with no help taken 70% of the nation, and still hold territory. It will be a guerilla War even if not a land one. They begged and begged for our help, not even ground troops but air strikes and naval strikes, they themselves protested for freedoms and were shot, protested him to leave were shot, and people disappeared, and half the military did whatany soldier is obliged to do at a point which is refuse illegal orders, and they did, and defected. They met leaders and senators and treated like kings, (sorry, their not terrorist, terrorist don’t try to ally with Israel, they don’t have access to US politicians and let them keep their heads, they don’t want any association with non-Muslims. The key difference between Islamic extremist and Muslims. They fought for it, we have signed treaties promising, “never again” for many genocides or extremely severe extermination’s. The war was primarily located in an incredibly risky and vulnerable area drawing thousands of terrorist in 2012 and 2013, the Russians weren’t there, they thought, “there’s no way in hell the US and allies are going to put up with this....”, and then we showed we would, in 2013 he kills 1,300 people by gassing in front of the UN to test limits and, he kept gassing and kept killing and the Obama and Trump administrations have allowed this ally of Iran, their proxy to Israel, still at war with Israel, guilty of the worst killings of the 21st century, and haven’t acted substantively at all. It’s said 100,000 died like the Iraq War killed in 9 years, in only 2, now its 700,000. He’s decimated the nation, and the groups we worked with fought ISIS and died with us against them, to abandon them to be murdered would lose us every single shred of, trust, credibility, morality etc. I know it’s economics and politics but the Americans people at a certain point, Im not a veteran (for Syria....if I could have been, good god I would have but the military doesn’t ask you where you want to go), my dad was in Vietnam and grandparents WW2, and...I understand using all methods outside force to address such bad issues. I understand requiring a coalition to carry it out. Whether you like or hate him Clinton did establish a very effective policy of overwhelming air and sea power employed to end mass atrocities or degrade Iraq’s ability to “retain, rebuild and develop WMDs.” In 4 days to 2.5 months, suffering no US deaths and maximum success. The ethnically cleansed loved us for doing it, had asked for our help and undserstood that we saved them. Now we are very close allies with them and they have repayed in many wars the cost of action we took. Libya’s not great, how they live isn’t our responsibility to police, certain levels and scales of depravity in some areas however require action, if they don’t stop them themselves. To always use failures as an excuse and of course I don’t want a single soldier harmed, which is why multilateral and limited action is the method, however people now volunteer to risk their lives to protect the nations interest, security and national laws and treaties etc. to do nothing out of fear of their being “hurt”, while ISIS kills your civilian populace monthly, and many other countries...is insane. We respect veterans for their courage to take that job. If you do nothing, in the face of massive evil, and let your people get hurt too...I don’t see the logic there. Assessing the desires and will of the people on the ground is incredibly critical to military operations and sometimes is just ignored. I know I’d be a frustrated veteran if I was watching tv and seeing something outrageous, disgusting and pure evil that threatened international security being done, and it spreading, and because people are afraid of me getting hurt....my kids are now chancing getting hurt, while the craziness continues. War isn’t D-day or bust (sometimes it is), but varies, and the lack of intel, provided to soldiers before operations is....wow, obviously a disaster. Petraeus understood this and was successfully by employing close quarters to the population. Also by breaking the critical mass necessary of forces to control the area.
@@jpmking9635 Joker throughout the movie had a smart mouth and was sarcastic. Do you even know how to read and evaluate characters? Why do you think for all the interviews it showed, the camera snapped to the reporters as Joker was talking? Are you dense? Or not paying attention? This film making 101. But, by all means. Continue calling others ignorant while you yourself look like a moron.
Poor dumb bastards that's part of General Patton speech. No one ever won a war by dying for his country they won a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. The General Patton speech even in the movie that came out the year I was born 1970. The general even use the term those son of a bitches. But nowadays everybody is offended that's why they didn't make places for 100 Mi of nothing but death destruction and make it look like a parking lot now commanded to throw flowers at the enemy and make :-* first
Jayant Bakshi Exactly, it was just a dream sequence, his suicide represents his death as the person he once was(a hen pecked pussy)and Animal mother is the person he is now(I am become death).
Dude if I met someone that never heard of this movie, made this clip black and white, showed this to him/her, and told them it was a documentary, they would believe me.
Lost the war. Allies with China. Working with N KOREA. Glad some of these crazy bastards died there. My grandpa came back. He'd rather be dead. Fuck Vietnam
Lol, Jesus Christ. Whose military is in Vietnam? The Vietnam army. That's how you decide who own militarily. Any metric besides that reality is bullshit.
Animal Mother represents the fully developed "Kill" mentality and also America's strategy of pursuing the body count (and bombing shit!). Joker is in a transitional phase, he aspires to the mentality they all adopted in Marine Corps basic but hasn't killed anyone. It's very interesting to watch these scenes and gauge where each man is at psychologically. Last thing: one has to notice the satire in Joker's interview. He's exaggerating because he wants to pump himself up to actually match his words. Great, mind-fucking movie from Kubrick.
I always thought that Joker is the master of sarcasm throughout the movie. He is in fact very anti-war, but just likes to make everything sound absurd and likes to parody the overly patriotic things (John Wayne line, this line here about killing ancient people). He is a strange personality, a volunteer and not a conscript, has no problem to kill, but constantly mocks the war and american patriotism. Something like Cpl.Person in 'Generation Kill'.
But we didn’t win in Vietnam. And honestly what was even over there for us to really win at exactly? It was a completely wasteful and thoroughly unnecessary war for us to have ever been involved in any way you look at it. And the exact same goes for us in Iraq as well. Afghanistan was probably a little more of a complication for us though maybe. But I still don’t feel it was the right thing for us to do to invade the entire country. We’ve only managed to create an even more massive amount of anger, resentment and extreme venom towards us amongst all those who would wish to do major harm and damage against our country and we as Americans as a whole. This is what caused 9/11 to occur in our country in the very first place. We’re only managing to make many more terrorists out there instead of trying to cease it.
ROE's (Rules Of Engagement), enacted by civilians in the White House have always hindered the military in their mission. Hanoi, and Hiaphong off limits? Yes, limit civilian casualties, hopefully none at all. But kill the enemy, win the war.
@@rockonallnight I agree with an end to interventionism, but technically, we negotiated a cease-fire in Vietnam. We pulled out, promised to give South Vietnam modern equipment to defend themselves, and the House of Representatives refused to authorize the funding to give them that equipment. They should have had tanks, rifles, grenades, rockets, helicopters, fighter jets, and instead they were left with WW2 and Korea leftovers to fight against AKs, RPKs, RPGs, T-54 tanks, and Hind helicopters. We promised them aid, and we fucking lied to them.
Every inch of this film is pure platinum, but THIS segment of interviews has always been my favorite scene in the movie since seeing it at age 10 in 1987
“ I’m not real keen on some of these fellas supposedly on our side , I keep meeting them coming the other way “ 🤣 this statement is true all the way thru life
+LightningTrunks I don't know man. That is probably true for must but some would definitely die on their feet rather than live on their knees. The suicide rate says that.
"War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." So said the most highly decorated Marine General at his death.
"Looking back, I think we may have even given Al Capone a few hints. He could only operate in three Chicago districts. We Marines operated on three continents."
They filmed the battle of Hue in Beckton gasworks, East London, where I used to live, and the advance into Hue on the West River in Cambridgeshire where I live now.
@@SvenTviking But the words of Lord Byron might tell you something, at least as of the early 19th century, before global warming - "The English winter - ends in July, to recommence in August".
guys, the weather, for the majority of the time atleast is pretty shit here. I mean, it's been damp and cold for the past 3 weeks and if I'm perfectly honest, I woudnt have it any other way.
I used to think Joker and Crazy Earl's were the funniest but I Cowboy steals it; something about his "Aw shucks" charm but straightforward honesty was so appealing.
I remember watching this movie as a lil guy. It blew me away. Now as a grown up, what 8 ball says in this scene really hits me. It is kind of funny how you pick up things that you didn't really notice before the next few times around. Be easy.
He was a Corporal, maybe a Sergeant by then. They didn't jump from bootcamp to Vietnam without training & a few years passing. A friend went through Marine Corps boot camp in the early 60s & he said that was the last time that the DIs were allowed to punch recruits like how Joker got slugged on the first day. In 1966 & '67 the time frame for the Tet offensive, that was a court-martial offense.
Butch Cassidy person other than grunt. And boot, means he's new. It means he acts like a fucking boot, all motivated with stupid bullshit that his drill instructors taught him. Pog boot fuck.
@@drunkenmmamaster419 did you know that the north korean rat has went extinct, because everyone ate them. can you imagine how desperately hungry a society must be that they managed to wipe out a creature known for multiplying and infesting?
This movie shows the progression of men through war, like Joker, but I was always interested in how Rafterman changed, as you can see when he's on camera he's all cocky, he most likely wanted to be a news reporter or something since he was a combat correspondent. It's especially interesting in the finale, you can tell he's clearly lost his mind under pressure after he kills the sniper.
Eh, I think you put too much thought into it. He just wanted to see combat because he was deployed into a combat situation. Boredom causes this, and he just finally got what he wanted.
@@Seriona1 yeah I guess you're right. I've only been shot at by paintball guns and not real ones so I wouldn't know how one reacts after being shot at in a live firefight
@@nickirmen6671 Ever seen Jarhead? The scene where the sniper team is about to kill an Iraqi officer but another officer comes in and cancels the assassination because they are going to use an air strike so the spotter freaks out and cries because they really wanted to shoot him. I have a vet friend who served in Iraq, the modern one, not Desert Storm as Jarhead takes place in and he said that boredom causes that kind of freak out. He said it's one of the saddest things to be trained and condition for a war and never experience it. It fucks with you.
@@Seriona1 yeah I used to not enjoy it as much but that movie really grew on me. I understand the boredom but it seems army life now just means college and a Camaro and shooting paper targets and opfor trainers and then just being bored and doing drugs overseas.
Joker's comment at the end is a fantastic bit of acting and screenwriting. Quite a young and naive person who has seen some horrid things but is not quite mature enough to express his disgust meaningfully so paraphrases a popular trope of the times in a 'sassy' way because he is too young to articulate the true horror of what he has seen.
I'm pretty sure he's intentionally saying cheesy docu things with an EFFED up twists, taking the piss out of the filmmakers trying to make sense of this war and show the human side of the Marines.
@@paulgreengod as an audience, you can be dumb. As Stanley Kubrick, you can't. Unless you are copying someone else's work, as a writer you have to think think think. That's the beauty of screenwriting as things are super condensed to convey messages as efficiently as possible. As an audience you can either try and decode it or brush it off and get nothing.
Why’d do people do this when it comes to films? Their is no underlying meaning. He the guy they even call “joker” is being sarcastic and just trolling the news and anyone who watches it and the people that know him and see it will know it
This scene is a filmic masterpiece. So much meaning behind each soilders (actors depicting behind the scenes about the spoils of war) responses. Kubrick was a genius.
I love the detail of Animal Mother pausing before saying "Vietnamese" it's like he's used slang for so long he's barely able to remember their actual name.
Some have said different but I always felt Joker didn't want to be there, didn't care for the military and all the propaganda bullshit and was basically just trolling everyone. The sarcasm is evident in just about everything he says.
1:36 "They'd rather be alive than free, I guess. Poor dumb bastards." Coming from what is probably the descendant of a slave, that is a powerful line and sentiment.
well he doesn't want to me making fun of having no war experience, so yeah, that's why he get into the shit. After all, he finally got his confirmed kill, which is good for him.
What I love about this scene is when you put forth the dehumanization factor, you can see under these guys’ eyes that there are tortured souls inside them.
Joker is a good representation of modern marines."I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill." I know so many guys who talk like that.
Animal is funny and joker's line is great.But my favorite is rafterman's.I always crack up when he says ''Well im here to take combat photos,but if the shit gets too thick ha i'll go to the rifle''.Then he nervously sighs as he cradles his m-16.lol
this is so fucking brilliant. probably the best scene in any vietnam movie, and definitely my favorite. so informative and so elementary, but its just stanley kubrick's absolute genious that makes it work so well.
“Or bomb Hanoi”- Animal Mother. the character that perfectly understands the war and what should have been done since the beginning of the fight in order to win
Should've bombed it to shit like Dresden, then they would've given up pretty quickly....fighting a war of attrition was a dumb idea....the war could've been over in months if they had chosen the right tactic..
"In order to win"? Dude. dude. dude. Wars are won on the ground in a continental battle. With Father Russia keeping aid, and self determination of the vietnamese people, well. Afghanistan 2020. The US can't win. But hey, it's a shitload of money going there, good for the economy. 19 years at war and still haven't won anything but public debt and a shit ton of hate towards the US. Part of deal: to sell guns, you need wars, to have wars you fuck things up today so they blow tomorrow. Old same story of US foreign policy.
@@mentalizatelo Dude, Hanoi WAS bombed, and it accomplished more in three days then anything done in the past 11 years. They gave us back our POWs, and signed a peace agreement which they didn't honor because America did not stay nearby to enforce it. Any countries spirit can be broken when enough pressure is placed on them, just ask the imperial Japanese. America didn't win because there were civilians involved and it did not have what it took to attack the North until Nixon finally had enough. Which is fine, but if that's the case then don't go to war. Also I like how you mention Afghanistan despite the fact that the US backed government that replaced the old one still stands to this day.
@@devinavant368 You're answer is so general, open and superficially exposed that the only outcome you make clear is that "Firepower = Victory". That's a Hollywood point of view of the world (and a misunderstanding of US military for decades) and reality is far, far, far, far from that. Nowadays China is managing US domestic politics and they haven't fire a single bullet. Imagine that.
Its not underrated during its time in 1980s-1990s tho. It got approval it deserve and many people approve this movie. Well of course its underrated now, only small group of special young people still interested watching movie from their father's times 😂
There's video floating around of a real interview with a real Vietnam Vet and he says the exact same thing. It wasn't North vs South, it was round eyed men against slanted eyed people. Period. They would find a weapons cache in a supposedly "friendly" village and then torch the place to the ground. Those who were supposed to be "friendly" are now pissed off and hate America and then they join the Viet Cong to get revenge. The North didn't have to round up civilians and force them to fight. All that had to happen was for a Marine patrol to pass through a village and you had all the recruits you needed. Crazy shit. A self perpetuating system. So the more you fought, the more enemy was generated. That is just insane.
The French had sometimes tried to intimidate villagers in Viet Minh areas by tying the headman to a stake and then cutting his skull in two with a sabre. It increased Viet Minh support.
And it’s hilarious because the dumb fucks are trying to act as the victim in all this, while you see homes of the natives burned to the ground, thinking to themselves they are fighting for their country’s “freedom”.
Yeah, Vietnam was America's first venture into counter-insurgency ops. And, setting a pattern, the military failed to understand anything about winning the hearts and minds of the people. Happened in Somalia during Operation Gothic Serpent, and it's something that you miss if you watch the movie without reading the book (Black Hawk Down). The Islamic elders in Mog held a meeting prior to the Black Hawk Down incident, and it's reasonably believed that they were going to support US operations against the warlord that starved the people. Then a US gunship fired rockets into the meeting place. By the time Task Force Ranger hit the ground the day of the Black Hawk Down incident, Somalians in Mog deeply hated the American presence. They'd learned to recognize the kit of insignia of the Rangers and, mind my paraphrasing, could distinguish the "friendly soldiers who gave food and medicine" from "the men whose job was to kill". And many of the Somalians shooting at Task Force Ranger had no affiliation with any warlord, they were just men who wanted to drive the Americans out. The Global War on Terror has too many examples to count. A sergeant I used to know had been in Afghanistan with 10th Mountain in the mid 2010's and his unit was working on relations with a nearby village. Constantly trying to give food, medicine, aid, anything, hoping they could gain informants or at least friendship with that village. Then, a Ranger unit identified a HVT in the village, raided it fast and hard, got their guy, and left. The 10th Mountain unit there wasn't able to rebuild the relationship with the village and got fired on whenever they were near.
It's funny how Joker's words were the most psychotic: he's the only one who's talking shit. He wants to appear and feel like he's a cold blooded killing marine but he's still green in this scene. He's seen combat but he's never had to see his enemies as people and shoot them dead. So he can talk the most shit out of everyone; until the end at least.
Note the billboard behind Joker. It say's "Mao", just like when the Vietnamese kept yelling "MAO!" in The Deer Hunter. No wonder those Marines were in for it.
Something about this is both embarrassing and prophetic at once. It’s telling that the black marines are the only ones who get it. And equally telling that the others have confused motivations. Yes. I know it’s just a movie.
I really enjoy the monologues from this movie. I analyze them over and over again. I would really like if you had crazy earls "This is My Bro" scene uploaded
The Bedford Incident "starred" my destroyer USS Mahan DDG42 in her DLG 11 days before being reclassified from being a frigate. They did a few exterior shots & used a British frigate while doing the interior scenes on a soundstage in Surreywood IIRC. The details made a bunch of us asking the old heads who'd been aboard when the movie came out what it was like dealing with the camera crews & they told us.
Furthermore,in the Coontz class DDG,there was an office just forward of the Sickbay but they were located a deck above#2 fireroom which was a noisy location with the forced draft blowers screaming.
"If they bomb the hell out of the North, maybe they might give up" Actually Animal Mother wasn't wrong when he said this, but when they started to bomb north it was too late, the operation Linebacker II was a sucess
He's talking about the fact that the Vietnam War was a guerrilla insurgency. In WWI, WWII, and Korea, we fought uniformed combatants of industrialized militaries. North Vietnam had conventional forces, but they rarely employed them against us because they were outclassed. It was the irregular forces of the Viet Cong that gave us so much difficulty. As in Iraq and Afghanistan, they blended in with the civilian population, people protected by Geneva Convention and used this to their advantage.
No. The NVA basically fought using modern tactics of that time but absolutely tried to avoid a major offensive basically until Tet. They would move division of troops in and then when they tried to retreat, they would leave behind defensive units to cover the divisional retreat. That's standard military operations 101. The Viet Cong on the other hand, used guerrilla tactics while using weapons in the most unusual way like using the RPG as an anti helicopter weapon. The biggest problem with the US is how we handled the situation. We would try to command and control major key locations and send fire teams out to find the enemy, the problem is that once we cleared the enemy, we would leave instead of occupying it to which the NVA would just come back to the same spot anyways.
You are wrong. The North Viet conventional forces were the main combatants. Yes they fought in irregular manner sometimes but they were the main killers
i like how raptorman was the one eager to be on film, he doesn see any combat ever, so when the cameras were on him he needed to havve a rifle high and praise the unit he was there with
The acting in this scene is so naturalistic you'd swear you're watching a documentary.
well.. uhhh, you see its a big city um, and you gotta roll the um tanks....
That's Stanley kubrick for yah
@ninjast4r He really is a dick about that. But it pays of
Owlman Owlman they left because of an interview? Lol
@@frostbitepokin9520 Not because of the interview u moron...
"I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill".
+Deidara Senpai My life motto
+Deidara Senpai Then he had to kill a vietnamese teen
She was only 12..
Dreams come true
@@Jack_Klash You give a kid an AK47, a combat knife, some ammo and grenades then they are no longer a kid. They can do anything
"I don't know if America belongs in Vietnam, I know I belong in Vietnam"
That's a really powerful line too.
only veterans understand. You become the country- not the country becomes you.
I don’t understand, why...when a nation, doesn’t ask, or it people don’t beg or aren’t being slaughtered on an enormous scale for no reason, and it’s not beneficial to the areas stabilty...we have a habit of sending hundreds of thousands of troops to launch a massive invasion, full blown war and occupation. Then a place like Syria, where for years I’ve seen millions upon millions be displaced, hundreds of thousands be murdered in, torture/death camps for Sunni or any potential Assad opposers, on a scale so large crematoriums likely were used to dispose of bodies. The guy has his palace overlooking a camp 100-200 people twice a week would be hung and like “Schindlers List”, it is PERFECT .223, .308, 6.5 clover range, a horrible death camp where outside his balcony he has what looks is a 300-600 yard overview of its outside. The guy “moved” chemical weapons around, them gassed children to death and has gassed thousands of people, filled barrels with gas and chlorine and destroyed hospitals and schools to wipe our villages, displaced 12 million, we found a rebel group of Sunni-Kurdish and even Assyrian Christian fighters who had at one point with no help taken 70% of the nation, and still hold territory. It will be a guerilla War even if not a land one. They begged and begged for our help, not even ground troops but air strikes and naval strikes, they themselves protested for freedoms and were shot, protested him to leave were shot, and people disappeared, and half the military did whatany soldier is obliged to do at a point which is refuse illegal orders, and they did, and defected. They met leaders and senators and treated like kings, (sorry, their not terrorist, terrorist don’t try to ally with Israel, they don’t have access to US politicians and let them keep their heads, they don’t want any association with non-Muslims. The key difference between Islamic extremist and Muslims. They fought for it, we have signed treaties promising, “never again” for many genocides or extremely severe extermination’s. The war was primarily located in an incredibly risky and vulnerable area drawing thousands of terrorist in 2012 and 2013, the Russians weren’t there, they thought, “there’s no way in hell the US and allies are going to put up with this....”, and then we showed we would, in 2013 he kills 1,300 people by gassing in front of the UN to test limits and, he kept gassing and kept killing and the Obama and Trump administrations have allowed this ally of Iran, their proxy to Israel, still at war with Israel, guilty of the worst killings of the 21st century, and haven’t acted substantively at all. It’s said 100,000 died like the Iraq War killed in 9 years, in only 2, now its 700,000. He’s decimated the nation, and the groups we worked with fought ISIS and died with us against them, to abandon them to be murdered would lose us every single shred of, trust, credibility, morality etc. I know it’s economics and politics but the Americans people at a certain point, Im not a veteran (for Syria....if I could have been, good god I would have but the military doesn’t ask you where you want to go), my dad was in Vietnam and grandparents WW2, and...I understand using all methods outside force to address such bad issues. I understand requiring a coalition to carry it out. Whether you like or hate him Clinton did establish a very effective policy of overwhelming air and sea power employed to end mass atrocities or degrade Iraq’s ability to “retain, rebuild and develop WMDs.” In 4 days to 2.5 months, suffering no US deaths and maximum success. The ethnically cleansed loved us for doing it, had asked for our help and undserstood that we saved them. Now we are very close allies with them and they have repayed in many wars the cost of action we took. Libya’s not great, how they live isn’t our responsibility to police, certain levels and scales of depravity in some areas however require action, if they don’t stop them themselves. To always use failures as an excuse and of course I don’t want a single soldier harmed, which is why multilateral and limited action is the method, however people now volunteer to risk their lives to protect the nations interest, security and national laws and treaties etc. to do nothing out of fear of their being “hurt”, while ISIS kills your civilian populace monthly, and many other countries...is insane. We respect veterans for their courage to take that job. If you do nothing, in the face of massive evil, and let your people get hurt too...I don’t see the logic there. Assessing the desires and will of the people on the ground is incredibly critical to military operations and sometimes is just ignored. I know I’d be a frustrated veteran if I was watching tv and seeing something outrageous, disgusting and pure evil that threatened international security being done, and it spreading, and because people are afraid of me getting hurt....my kids are now chancing getting hurt, while the craziness continues. War isn’t D-day or bust (sometimes it is), but varies, and the lack of intel, provided to soldiers before operations is....wow, obviously a disaster. Petraeus understood this and was successfully by employing close quarters to the population. Also by breaking the critical mass necessary of forces to control the area.
@@accatt2204 man, that's alot
@@accatt2204 shut the fuck up goddamn it
"Meet the people of a great and ancient culture, and KILL EM" cracks me up every time!.
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lol....dude said they would rather be alive than free.....1:40
You do know he was BSing the reporters don't you : ) Most of us hated them A-Holes over there .
@@hopatease1 no he was really that ignorant....GTFO
@@jpmking9635 Joker throughout the movie had a smart mouth and was sarcastic. Do you even know how to read and evaluate characters? Why do you think for all the interviews it showed, the camera snapped to the reporters as Joker was talking? Are you dense? Or not paying attention? This film making 101. But, by all means. Continue calling others ignorant while you yourself look like a moron.
Legend says that cowboy never found a horse
bruh he died when he found the horse
kind of hard to find a horse when you're dead
@El Padre con Verga Larga ha! True that. 🙌
Theres something basically wrong with that
@@johnfkennedy2950 he didnt
“They’d rather be alive than free. Poor dumb bastards…” that’s the most American thing I’ve ever heard 😂
Absolutely dripping with sarcasm and irony.
Poor dumb bastards that's part of General Patton speech. No one ever won a war by dying for his country they won a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. The General Patton speech even in the movie that came out the year I was born 1970. The general even use the term those son of a bitches. But nowadays everybody is offended that's why they didn't make places for 100 Mi of nothing but death destruction and make it look like a parking lot now commanded to throw flowers at the enemy and make :-* first
I love how Animal Mother's demeanor here is totally different than the rest of the film. Adam Baldwin is acting on two levels.
@Punished_Nickname how did he get cowboy killed???
@@user-sx7rt4ly1lhe charges forward and insists the sniper doesn’t have a shot, when she does.
@@thebigragu9952She wouldn't have had a shot if Cowboy had stayed behind cover.
Animal Mother is an extension of who Private Pyle would have been if he survived Boot Camp, a totally transformed, psychopathic killer.
He did, he graduated! But he broke down and eventually killed himself and Hartman before being sent to Nam!
Pyle is Animal Mother
Jayant Bakshi Exactly, it was just a dream sequence, his suicide represents his death as the person he once was(a hen pecked pussy)and Animal mother is the person he is now(I am become death).
Plus they look similar
Jayant Bakshi that’s only a theory though, and kind of remains unproven.
Dude if I met someone that never heard of this movie, made this clip black and white, showed this to him/her, and told them it was a documentary, they would believe me.
Vietnam was colored too
Someone should make this black and white title it "usa vietnam war interviews" mix in some real ones lmao
andrew r. 😂
You know the Vietnam war was filmed in color lol
@@andrewr.8884 I can think of some really good (insert racial joke here)
“I guess they’d rather be alive than free. Poor dumb bastards.” I bet quoted that line a thousand times!
Such a brilliant scene. This movie blew my mind.
Minotauronabike Stanley Kubrick at his best! This scene almost makes you think it's a documentary ha ha
This is what I would have in my Movies!!! So beautifully written!!!
I belong in Vietnam. Best answer ever.
a bit late to this comment I guess but I really liked that line not only for the comedic effect it has but also because of what it foreshadows
Lost the war. Allies with China. Working with N KOREA. Glad some of these crazy bastards died there. My grandpa came back. He'd rather be dead. Fuck Vietnam
@@9Luh9Youngan9 won it militarily.
Lol, Jesus Christ. Whose military is in Vietnam? The Vietnam army. That's how you decide who own militarily. Any metric besides that reality is bullshit.
@@jayoz9583 ,
the US won by body count.
Animal Mother represents the fully developed "Kill" mentality and also America's strategy of pursuing the body count (and bombing shit!). Joker is in a transitional phase, he aspires to the mentality they all adopted in Marine Corps basic but hasn't killed anyone. It's very interesting to watch these scenes and gauge where each man is at psychologically. Last thing: one has to notice the satire in Joker's interview. He's exaggerating because he wants to pump himself up to actually match his words. Great, mind-fucking movie from Kubrick.
I always thought that Joker is the master of sarcasm throughout the movie. He is in fact very anti-war, but just likes to make everything sound absurd and likes to parody the overly patriotic things (John Wayne line, this line here about killing ancient people). He is a strange personality, a volunteer and not a conscript, has no problem to kill, but constantly mocks the war and american patriotism. Something like Cpl.Person in 'Generation Kill'.
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Perhaps that's where the inspiration for the watchmens comedian character came from.
Joker is the Dilbert of the movie
Joker killed some soldiers back at the base
@@rapatacush3Hardly anybody seems to remember this for some reason. He dropped at least three bodies when the enemy were storming the gate.
I think we should win.
The oldest and most basic wisdom in warfare. I think Sun Tzu may also said something along the same line.
But we didn’t win in Vietnam. And honestly what was even over there for us to really win at exactly? It was a completely wasteful and thoroughly unnecessary war for us to have ever been involved in any way you look at it. And the exact same goes for us in Iraq as well. Afghanistan was probably a little more of a complication for us though maybe. But I still don’t feel it was the right thing for us to do to invade the entire country. We’ve only managed to create an even more massive amount of anger, resentment and extreme venom towards us amongst all those who would wish to do major harm and damage against our country and we as Americans as a whole. This is what caused 9/11 to occur in our country in the very first place. We’re only managing to make many more terrorists out there instead of trying to cease it.
ROE's (Rules Of Engagement), enacted by civilians in the White House have always hindered the military in their mission.
Hanoi, and Hiaphong off limits?
Yes, limit civilian casualties, hopefully none at all. But kill the enemy, win the war.
@@svyalinirnhut890 fuck off , you fascist pig !
@@rockonallnight I agree with an end to interventionism, but technically, we negotiated a cease-fire in Vietnam. We pulled out, promised to give South Vietnam modern equipment to defend themselves, and the House of Representatives refused to authorize the funding to give them that equipment. They should have had tanks, rifles, grenades, rockets, helicopters, fighter jets, and instead they were left with WW2 and Korea leftovers to fight against AKs, RPKs, RPGs, T-54 tanks, and Hind helicopters. We promised them aid, and we fucking lied to them.
"They took away our freedom and gave it to the Vietnamese" WOW. What a perspective. What a tragedy that war was.
Unironically based AF
not one horse in vietnam
jakob weaver there's something basically wrong with that
Every inch of this film is pure platinum, but THIS segment of interviews has always been my favorite scene in the movie since seeing it at age 10 in 1987
Damn you were young bro
“ I’m not real keen on some of these fellas supposedly on our side , I keep meeting them coming the other way “ 🤣 this statement is true all the way thru life
The ARVN, majority are coward
"Be glad to trade you some ARVN rifles. Ain't never been fired and only dropped once."
- Cowboy from Full Metal Jacket.
'Thru'. People like you are the ones going the wrong way up the road
Bullshit, but I don't expect a good opinion from someone with your name.@@MyH3ntaiGirl
“I came to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture and kill them” the writing in this movie is nuts
"Rather be alive, than free" Nothing but truth there...
TheStewram I say give me liberty or give me death.
+Glasseater100 You only say that until your life is on the line...
+LightningTrunks I don't know man. That is probably true for must but some would definitely die on their feet rather than live on their knees. The suicide rate says that.
they Vietnamese fought for their freedom from the USA.. so he has it backwards.
Too too That is so wrong on so many levels. The south fought the north to keep from being communist and the US came to the south's aid
"Do I think America belongs in Vietnam? I dunno, I know I belong in Vietnam"
is probably the most pertinent line in the movie.
"What do I think of America's involvement in the war? Well, I think we should win." Awesome.
0:55 "I mean we're the best. I mean all that bullshit about the air cav..."
I feel like this was a jab at Apocalypse Now, lol
I wondered that as well. Every time I hear that line I think "AIR CAV, son! Air mobile!"
Inter-service rivalry.
"War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." So said the most highly decorated Marine General at his death.
That was from "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler, he published that years before he died.
"Looking back, I think we may have even given Al Capone a few hints. He could only operate in three Chicago districts. We Marines operated on three continents."
Smedley Butler needs a biopic film, he's such a fascinating character.
They filmed the battle of Hue in Beckton gasworks, East London, where I used to live, and the advance into Hue on the West River in Cambridgeshire where I live now.
That's right - everyone was pretending to be in the tropics while shivering through what often passes for an English summer.
kaczynski S You have no idea what an English summer is like, do you?
@@SvenTviking Apart from being Scottish, no.
@@SvenTviking But the words of Lord Byron might tell you something, at least as of the early 19th century, before global warming - "The English winter - ends in July, to recommence in August".
guys, the weather, for the majority of the time atleast is pretty shit here. I mean, it's been damp and cold for the past 3 weeks and if I'm perfectly honest, I woudnt have it any other way.
I love how animal mother has to catch himself before he says the wrong word for the Vietnamese lol
I used to think Joker and Crazy Earl's were the funniest but I Cowboy steals it; something about his "Aw shucks" charm but straightforward honesty was so appealing.
I don't understand, does this mean Ann-Margaret's not coming?
I remember watching this movie as a lil guy. It blew me away. Now as a grown up, what 8 ball says in this scene really hits me. It is kind of funny how you pick up things that you didn't really notice before the next few times around. Be easy.
This is how to act that looks like your not acting.
2:34 "I hate Veitnam, there's not one horse in this whole country." Lol, give it up for Pvt. Cowboy 🤠.
He was a Corporal, maybe a Sergeant by then.
They didn't jump from bootcamp to Vietnam without training & a few years passing.
A friend went through Marine Corps boot camp in the early 60s & he said that was the last time that the DIs were allowed to punch recruits like how Joker got slugged on the first day.
In 1966 & '67 the time frame for the Tet offensive, that was a court-martial offense.
Rafterman is what they call a "POG boot" in the USMC.
But didn't he fight on the front lines along with Lusthog Squad?
+Gabriel T sure did. shot that sniper up too. pogs rule.
TideatMileHigh he's still getting his CAR tho so he's better than most POGs there are some grunts who don't have it lmao
TideatMileHigh And POG boot means what?
Butch Cassidy person other than grunt. And boot, means he's new. It means he acts like a fucking boot, all motivated with stupid bullshit that his drill instructors taught him. Pog boot fuck.
there's not one horse in this country, not one horse in Vietnam, theirs something basically wrong with that.
Raphael Ramirez-Riley Gee, thanks.
They probably ate all the horses
Horses aren't native to the American continent,either.
@@drunkenmmamaster419 did you know that the north korean rat has went extinct, because everyone ate them. can you imagine how desperately hungry a society must be that they managed to wipe out a creature known for multiplying and infesting?
This movie shows the progression of men through war, like Joker, but I was always interested in how Rafterman changed, as you can see when he's on camera he's all cocky, he most likely wanted to be a news reporter or something since he was a combat correspondent. It's especially interesting in the finale, you can tell he's clearly lost his mind under pressure after he kills the sniper.
Eh, I think you put too much thought into it. He just wanted to see combat because he was deployed into a combat situation. Boredom causes this, and he just finally got what he wanted.
@@Seriona1 yeah I guess you're right. I've only been shot at by paintball guns and not real ones so I wouldn't know how one reacts after being shot at in a live firefight
@@nickirmen6671 Ever seen Jarhead? The scene where the sniper team is about to kill an Iraqi officer but another officer comes in and cancels the assassination because they are going to use an air strike so the spotter freaks out and cries because they really wanted to shoot him. I have a vet friend who served in Iraq, the modern one, not Desert Storm as Jarhead takes place in and he said that boredom causes that kind of freak out. He said it's one of the saddest things to be trained and condition for a war and never experience it. It fucks with you.
@@Seriona1 yeah I used to not enjoy it as much but that movie really grew on me. I understand the boredom but it seems army life now just means college and a Camaro and shooting paper targets and opfor trainers and then just being bored and doing drugs overseas.
He was just happy to cut down an enemy sniper but his facial expression was almost ecstatic or euphoric?
Joker's comment at the end is a fantastic bit of acting and screenwriting. Quite a young and naive person who has seen some horrid things but is not quite mature enough to express his disgust meaningfully so paraphrases a popular trope of the times in a 'sassy' way because he is too young to articulate the true horror of what he has seen.
I thought he was being sarcastic and trolling the media.
I'm pretty sure he's intentionally saying cheesy docu things with an EFFED up twists, taking the piss out of the filmmakers trying to make sense of this war and show the human side of the Marines.
Way to go hyper intellectual on it. Shit ain't that deep buddy.
@@paulgreengod as an audience, you can be dumb. As Stanley Kubrick, you can't. Unless you are copying someone else's work, as a writer you have to think think think. That's the beauty of screenwriting as things are super condensed to convey messages as efficiently as possible. As an audience you can either try and decode it or brush it off and get nothing.
Why’d do people do this when it comes to films? Their is no underlying meaning. He the guy they even call “joker” is being sarcastic and just trolling the news and anyone who watches it and the people that know him and see it will know it
2:28 One of my favorite lines from the whole movie.
This scene is a filmic masterpiece. So much meaning behind each soilders (actors depicting behind the scenes about the spoils of war) responses. Kubrick was a genius.
*Marines
@@LuistheABF123 ma nigga.
Filmic 🤣
I love the detail of Animal Mother pausing before saying "Vietnamese" it's like he's used slang for so long he's barely able to remember their actual name.
"Can I quote LBJ?" That went well
Lebron james
@@demolitionman5782 🤣🤣🤣
@@demolitionman5782 whose that?
@@lilreeseakathechiraqgrimre1995 Me
Some have said different but I always felt Joker didn't want to be there, didn't care for the military and all the propaganda bullshit and was basically just trolling everyone. The sarcasm is evident in just about everything he says.
That's why they call him 'Joker'.
I mean did anyone? Most Vietnam vets were drafted, it's not like they really had a choice in being there.
1:36 "They'd rather be alive than free, I guess. Poor dumb bastards." Coming from what is probably the descendant of a slave, that is a powerful line and sentiment.
How so?
I understand what you mean, but at the same time if his ancestors decided they'd rather die than live as slaves, he would never have been born
@@eggheadsanonymous9634which is not bad in his condition
"I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill" thats just batshit insane
Roger Edmonds he's being sarcastic dum dum
well he doesn't want to me making fun of having no war experience, so yeah, that's why he get into the shit. After all, he finally got his confirmed kill, which is good for him.
whatthehellimbored maybe OP is being sarcastic and you’re the real dum dum.
Being a marine makes your sense of humor incredibly dark.
thats just based
“Do I think Super Earth belongs in Malevolent Creek? Umm idk I belong in Malevolent Creek, I’ll tell you that”
What I love about this scene is when you put forth the dehumanization factor, you can see under these guys’ eyes that there are tortured souls inside them.
Joker is a good representation of modern marines."I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill." I know so many guys who talk like that.
"I wanted to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill" is one of the best delivered lines I've ever heard
I love animal mother..
Rafterman is much more genial and far more attractive than Animal Mother, in my opinion.
@@holisticpsychologybyobrien wait what
Freidheim of Prussia | wat.
@@holisticpsychologybyobrien you shouldn't judge people by their look, but what they do. (Seriously animal mother gets at least 7/10 of all kills
Freidheim of Prussia animal mother wastes at least 9/10 of their rounds. Though I suppose it is just a movie haha
i belong in vietnam LOL
"They'd rather be alive than free, I guess. Those poor dumb bastards."
Animal is funny and joker's line is great.But my favorite is rafterman's.I always crack up when he says ''Well im here to take combat photos,but if the shit gets too thick ha i'll go to the rifle''.Then he nervously sighs as he cradles his m-16.lol
That movies sign in background "mad giant" and picture of man fighting native Americans.
Kassu Boi
Symbolism
It's Red River in Vietnamese. The title alludes to the war itself. River of blood.
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This movie was one of the best I’ve ever watched
Nice p5 pfp
The most amazing scene.
Lusthogs in combat: *animal mother charge, shooting teenaged snipers, etc*
Lusthogs in front of a camera: 😳 y-y’know uh, we… it’s like a… a war.
What a coincidence,just days ago i'm thinking about this scene and now..literally now it just pops in my recomendation,thanks Mr.Kubrick :D
A documentary about the duality of man.
This was filmed in England. Amazing set
this is so fucking brilliant. probably the best scene in any vietnam movie, and definitely my favorite. so informative and so elementary, but its just stanley kubrick's absolute genious that makes it work so well.
I love how Animal Mother pauses and really thinks what word to use before he says "the Vietnamese".
2:16 that hits hard. Animal mother, the supposed dumb muscke has the best understanding of everything
“Or bomb Hanoi”- Animal Mother. the character that perfectly understands the war and what should have been done since the beginning of the fight in order to win
Should've bombed it to shit like Dresden, then they would've given up pretty quickly....fighting a war of attrition was a dumb idea....the war could've been over in months if they had chosen the right tactic..
I'm sorry guys, we tend not to bomb people as much anymore.
"In order to win"? Dude. dude. dude. Wars are won on the ground in a continental battle. With Father Russia keeping aid, and self determination of the vietnamese people, well. Afghanistan 2020. The US can't win. But hey, it's a shitload of money going there, good for the economy. 19 years at war and still haven't won anything but public debt and a shit ton of hate towards the US. Part of deal: to sell guns, you need wars, to have wars you fuck things up today so they blow tomorrow. Old same story of US foreign policy.
@@mentalizatelo Dude, Hanoi WAS bombed, and it accomplished more in three days then anything done in the past 11 years. They gave us back our POWs, and signed a peace agreement which they didn't honor because America did not stay nearby to enforce it. Any countries spirit can be broken when enough pressure is placed on them, just ask the imperial Japanese. America didn't win because there were civilians involved and it did not have what it took to attack the North until Nixon finally had enough. Which is fine, but if that's the case then don't go to war. Also I like how you mention Afghanistan despite the fact that the US backed government that replaced the old one still stands to this day.
@@devinavant368 You're answer is so general, open and superficially exposed that the only outcome you make clear is that "Firepower = Victory". That's a Hollywood point of view of the world (and a misunderstanding of US military for decades) and reality is far, far, far, far from that. Nowadays China is managing US domestic politics and they haven't fire a single bullet. Imagine that.
Animal's interview was funny because he had to catch himself from using the wrong word.
i just realized the backgrounds are obvious green screens how have i never noticed that
The sound of the boots as the grunts advance into the shit is mesmerizing
Stanley has strongly inspired Quentin
“What do I think about America’s involvement in the war?”
“Well, I think we should win”
Every single quote in here gives insight into the time period.
Such an underrated masterpiece
Underrated!? This is probably one of the best two American movies about Vietnam War (the other one is Apocalypse Now).
Its not underrated during its time in 1980s-1990s tho. It got approval it deserve and many people approve this movie. Well of course its underrated now, only small group of special young people still interested watching movie from their father's times 😂
There's video floating around of a real interview with a real Vietnam Vet and he says the exact same thing. It wasn't North vs South, it was round eyed men against slanted eyed people. Period. They would find a weapons cache in a supposedly "friendly" village and then torch the place to the ground. Those who were supposed to be "friendly" are now pissed off and hate America and then they join the Viet Cong to get revenge. The North didn't have to round up civilians and force them to fight. All that had to happen was for a Marine patrol to pass through a village and you had all the recruits you needed. Crazy shit. A self perpetuating system. So the more you fought, the more enemy was generated. That is just insane.
The French had sometimes tried to intimidate villagers in Viet Minh areas by tying the headman to a stake and then cutting his skull in two with a sabre. It increased Viet Minh support.
And it’s hilarious because the dumb fucks are trying to act as the victim in all this, while you see homes of the natives burned to the ground, thinking to themselves they are fighting for their country’s “freedom”.
Yeah, Vietnam was America's first venture into counter-insurgency ops. And, setting a pattern, the military failed to understand anything about winning the hearts and minds of the people.
Happened in Somalia during Operation Gothic Serpent, and it's something that you miss if you watch the movie without reading the book (Black Hawk Down). The Islamic elders in Mog held a meeting prior to the Black Hawk Down incident, and it's reasonably believed that they were going to support US operations against the warlord that starved the people. Then a US gunship fired rockets into the meeting place. By the time Task Force Ranger hit the ground the day of the Black Hawk Down incident, Somalians in Mog deeply hated the American presence. They'd learned to recognize the kit of insignia of the Rangers and, mind my paraphrasing, could distinguish the "friendly soldiers who gave food and medicine" from "the men whose job was to kill". And many of the Somalians shooting at Task Force Ranger had no affiliation with any warlord, they were just men who wanted to drive the Americans out.
The Global War on Terror has too many examples to count. A sergeant I used to know had been in Afghanistan with 10th Mountain in the mid 2010's and his unit was working on relations with a nearby village. Constantly trying to give food, medicine, aid, anything, hoping they could gain informants or at least friendship with that village. Then, a Ranger unit identified a HVT in the village, raided it fast and hard, got their guy, and left. The 10th Mountain unit there wasn't able to rebuild the relationship with the village and got fired on whenever they were near.
Do I think America belongs in Vietnam? I don't know. "I belong in Vietnam!
Kick ass line!!!
"They'd rather be alive than free. Poor dumb bastards."
*Eren Yeager would like to know your location
Jokers bit always has me cracking up. 🤣 👍 ✌️
Ain't war hell?
“Rather be alive than free… poor dumb bastards” our own country moves closer to this every day
I’d rather be free than alive
@@FlyingV555 you can't be free when you're dead
@@PolishGod1234You *are* free when you die… because you won’t suffer on Earth anymore.
@@KahinAhmed72 yeah but you're also literaly a corpse you have no free will or freedom left you are just dead
It's funny how Joker's words were the most psychotic: he's the only one who's talking shit. He wants to appear and feel like he's a cold blooded killing marine but he's still green in this scene. He's seen combat but he's never had to see his enemies as people and shoot them dead. So he can talk the most shit out of everyone; until the end at least.
Joker never disappoints
Note the billboard behind Joker. It say's "Mao", just like when the Vietnamese kept yelling "MAO!" in The Deer Hunter. No wonder those Marines were in for it.
"We're getting killed and they don't even appreciate it."
2:36 "There's no one horse in this country" 😂
Something about this is both embarrassing and prophetic at once. It’s telling that the black marines are the only ones who get it. And equally telling that the others have confused motivations. Yes. I know it’s just a movie.
When you are the first kid on the block to get a confirmed kill
1:26 when you are writing dialogue in movies like this, you know you're good.
I really enjoy the monologues from this movie. I analyze them over and over again. I would really like if you had crazy earls "This is My Bro" scene uploaded
They don't make movies this epic anymore.
"How much Fortunate Son?"
"Excuse me?"
"I SAID HOW FUCKING MUCH?!"
2:08 Tyler the Creator? Is that you?
Is this me?
Sounds nothing like him...
Crazy movie about a crazy war.
Extremely well done
Animal mother changes the way he speaks in front of the camera, nice.
Crazy to think that this was all filmed close to London
The Bedford Incident "starred" my destroyer USS Mahan DDG42 in her DLG 11 days before being reclassified from being a frigate.
They did a few exterior shots & used a British frigate while doing the interior scenes on a soundstage in Surreywood IIRC.
The details made a bunch of us asking the old heads who'd been aboard when the movie came out what it was like dealing with the camera crews & they told us.
Furthermore,in the Coontz class DDG,there was an office just forward of the Sickbay but they were located a deck above#2 fireroom which was a noisy location with the forced draft blowers screaming.
This movie is literally a oneliner compilation.
0:09 Adam Baldwin (the actor for Animal Mother) basically says these same lines in Halo 3: ODST as the character Dutch.
*"I think we should win!"*
"If they bomb the hell out of the North, maybe they might give up"
Actually Animal Mother wasn't wrong when he said this, but when they started to bomb north it was too late, the operation Linebacker II was a sucess
I could see them doing this in Kabul a couple weeks ago
The first two scenes are the most appropriate
2:08 I like how T.H.E. Rock’s quote applies to both the white folks back home who sent him there, and the Vietnamese currently there.
He's talking about the fact that the Vietnam War was a guerrilla insurgency. In WWI, WWII, and Korea, we fought uniformed combatants of industrialized militaries. North Vietnam had conventional forces, but they rarely employed them against us because they were outclassed. It was the irregular forces of the Viet Cong that gave us so much difficulty. As in Iraq and Afghanistan, they blended in with the civilian population, people protected by Geneva Convention and used this to their advantage.
No. The NVA basically fought using modern tactics of that time but absolutely tried to avoid a major offensive basically until Tet. They would move division of troops in and then when they tried to retreat, they would leave behind defensive units to cover the divisional retreat. That's standard military operations 101. The Viet Cong on the other hand, used guerrilla tactics while using weapons in the most unusual way like using the RPG as an anti helicopter weapon. The biggest problem with the US is how we handled the situation. We would try to command and control major key locations and send fire teams out to find the enemy, the problem is that once we cleared the enemy, we would leave instead of occupying it to which the NVA would just come back to the same spot anyways.
@@Seriona1hamburger hill comes to mind for 9 days them 101s airborne boys fought and died up that hill only to then leave it after they took it
You are wrong. The North Viet conventional forces were the main combatants. Yes they fought in irregular manner sometimes but they were the main killers
Matthew modine is simply amazing
i like how raptorman was the one eager to be on film, he doesn see any combat ever, so when the cameras were on him he needed to havve a rifle high and praise the unit he was there with