Is Jesus Historical? What Do The Romans Say About Him?
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- On this video we will have a deep historical research into the most important mentions in Latin about Jesus of Nazareth by non Christian authors such as Roman emperors, magistrates, lawyers, military officers etc. We will discuss the validity of such testimonies, and try to understand if Jesus of Nazareth really is a historical figure or if his existence was just a myth.
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I respect your dedication to historical accuracy, but there is nowadays a wide consensus among historians about the fact that ancient Romans in the military rarely, if never, wore their helmets while recording a CZcams video. This had been prohibited during the Marius reforms for the metal noise was often a problem with the microphonae.
You got me in the first half, not gonna lie XD.
@@vladimirspassov847 Same.
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😂😂🤣🤣
it is a fact that you will never find a 2000 year old digital camera with a helmet, the Romans just never had the two together
_”Worship whoever and whatever you want, just keep paying your taxes.”_
-Rome, probably
Rome had a problem with jews not accepting their gods as every other civilization did. The Jewish faith also didn't allow for emperor worship, which Nero was big on. He wanted a statue of himself placed in the Jewish temple as a mockery of the people of the book whom won't accept their gods. This started the war that ended with Josephus betraying Jerusalem to Titus. Nothing Josephus says should ever be considered truthful as he was only interested in saving his own skin.
@@Kainis80
The only problem I have with your response is your last sentence. I think it's too extreme to trash EVERYTHING he wrote, since much of his written accounts had no bearing whatsoever on his survivability. For example, Josephus' account of the Siege of Masada by Legio X Fretensis. His life wasn't in danger and his accounts of the siege wouldn't 'save his skin,' since- again- his life wasn't being threatened by anyone in relation to this account. Does that mean that we have to discard his account of the siege, even though there's a LOT of supporting evidence?
It's too broad a statement to say that we shouldn't consider ANYTHING he wrote as being truthful.
@@Raz.C you have to remember that everything he wrote, he did so while as a slave to Titus. He was a shrewd man, I'll give him that. Which is why he was something of a general among the zealots. And it is for THAT reason why Vespesian kept him close after capture, not at all because he prophecied that he would become emperor. That was something he made up after the fact.
Then you have Tacitus who made it very clear he owed his rank and indeed his life to the Flavians, especially Titus, in both the Historia and in the Dialogues. Both men wrote nothing that wasn't first approved by Titus.
There is a large contingent of scholars that believe that the biblical Jesus was created by Titus as a way to indirectly have the Jews accept emperor worship, by unknowingly worshipping Titus- whose campaign in Israel almost exactly mirrors the adult life of Jesus- once you remove the artistic licensing.
@@Kainis80
Yes, I'm aware of the Flavian Emperors hypothesis in regards to the possible origin of christianity. But I think we're both WAY off topic. I just said that it's too broad a statement to dismiss everything Josephus wrote. The fact that there are non-Roman-centric lines of evidence to support his accounts of battles would support such a notion.
@@Raz.C fair enough. Maybe not dismiss entirely, but take his accounts with huge blocks of salt understanding that whatever he writes was to propagandize the Flavians, demonize the Julians (where possible), and reduce traditional Jewish thought but usher them into the new mindset that the emperor could approve of. Everything he wrote was through this lense.
It's so nice of this roman legionaire to time travel to our time and explain history.
Isn't he the one who stabbed Jesus in the heart to give him a mercy death? If so, he's said to be immortal so he's got time on his hands.
;)
One of those ancient Romans could have bought Microsoft stock in 1 A.D. at one millionth of a cent per share. Just think how rich they'd be 2000 years later!
It would be funny if he said I know Jesus existed coz I was there, I was the one the one that speared him in the side LOL
Even nicer that he took the time to learn English and how to use our modern technology to deliver his message!
Genius
As mentioned by others below, as a Christian and history enthusiast it's great to see such researched and respectful content. Keep up the awesome work.
Christianity is fake
Sadly he is using biased Christian fundamentalist sources.
@@wozo9210 He is using multiple sources, definatley not just Christian sources
@@helenbond8893 All of them countless times debunked, just do the research, even googling will suffice
@@wozo9210Oy vey! 👃
"Sir, there is this guy in Judea that can multiply fish and bread."
"Hire him immediately for the logistics department."
This feels unbelievably Roman lol.
HE TURNS WATER INTO WINE!? COALESCE THE LEGIONS!
Quote from Arthur Daly's "guide to living" "Seeing what a sandwich maker can do with a unsliced sandwich loaf and a tin of sardines the feeding of the 5 thousand is not a miracle but every day business practice".
Funny
well, that would have been quite more useful than crucifying him
"This guy in Judea can turn water into wine"
"Watered wine?"
"No, pure wine."
"Barbarian"
now that is a nuanced comment :)
It's more economic for transport.
@@tonybuk70 on the other hand it makes you think if Jesus turning water into wine, was not his disciples pouring a couple of amphoras of wine into a large volume of water...
Someone in the crowd complains: "hey, this is NOT wine as you promised! It's a lot of water with some wine!"
"It IS WINE!! According to the Romans!"
@@rogeriopenna9014 Well, the guests did say it was the best wine they'd ever had. Lit AF
Lol this from the same people who banned sausages from entering Rome as they thought it caused you to grow beards and be as the barbarians of the north
This video sums up why I love your work and channel. Not only is your research and commentary spot on, but it's so balanced and so meticulously thought out. It is so easy and so common to riddle an analysis with bias. Thank you so much for not doing that. There isn't a video you post that I don't feel more enlightened by (or sometimes just validated, like the Netflix Cleopatra reaction).
Thank you again for all the hard work you put into this channel.
He does excellent and thorough research, as well as good delivery.
The video is misleading. Josephus was a Jew. He was not alive when Jesus allegedly lived. He was not born until 37 CE. He never actually wrote about Jesus. His famous "Testimonioum Flavanum" (the only substantive mention of Christ) was added much later by Christian scribes, scholars (outside hard-core Fundies) have reached a broad consensus about. Josephus did not believe in Jesus. He would not have claimed Jesus was more than a man. Tacitus and the other Romans mentioned in the video, wrote about Jesus in the 2nd century, which proves Christians existed, but not that Jesus existed. The video never mentions the fact we don't have one single Roman (or Greek, for that matter) who wrote about Jesus during his alleged lifetime, nor during the entire first century. I'll concede it is possible there was a man named Jesus who was crucified, but that is not who the new testament writes about. Paul is the first to write about Jesus, and Paul says he never met a flesh and blood Jesus, that dead Jesus kept speaking to him and Paul writes this alone is the basis of his teachings, not the apostles. Paul had recurring visions of heaven. This is the foundation of Christianity. The bible concludes with a promise Jesus will return to earth someday on a flying horse (white, of course, the color of good magic & mythical Pegasus).
This recount of the historical Jesus was truly excellent. Very informative and done without any bias of any kind.
I feel using B.C -Before Christ is already bias. To me it's B.C.E - Before Common Era. But I know thats a Me nitpick
Disagree. Some bias in favour I would say.
nope... there is almost non.
so would you say Jesus is actually not a historical figure?
@@bright1083 i would not be suprised if there was a jew called "jesus" thats not the problem ... the problem is, is anything thats told about him true.. and then i do not think the person discribed in the bible as "jesus" is a good person or people should call a good person. and then... why should anybody care about him? he lived suposedly around 2000 years in the past he has nothing to do with us. we should stop reading old useless bad written books about religius nutjobs and start doing usefull stuff.
The only time I've ever received a lecture about Jesus by a man wearing Roman armour :)
This is my second time
So far, anyway
All of the other people lectured about Jesus by a guy in Roman armor were promptly executed
Should have been around when they founded the religion lol
Such a sheltered life.
Romans: Didn't we crucify you three days ago?
Jesus: I got better
One empire vs One guy with respawn in hardcore.
"Have you seen my scars?"
Romans hunt him down, kill him, crucify him again
Switch Romans with Judeans.
'Tis but a scratch
This is an argument I posed 31 years ago in a college class in Roman history. I did my thesis on the Legions. A personal love of mine. However, your use related sources was great. It was so wonderful to hear you echo a class argument. I used the same in a bibical study of the New Testament class. This was fun!
Fair evaluation and well-explained reasoning. You never disappoint, sir.
Not really fair. He left out documentation that doesn't agree with his argument.
@@druidriley3163 Such as?
@@82dorrin Josephus was forged. He never mentioned Jesus. The mentions of Jesus in his text were later interpolations by Christians. Early Christian father Origen supports this because in his book "Contra Celsum," written in the mid 3rd century ce, he admits that the only place to find the acts of Jesus are in scripture. This was long after Josephus had written his Testimonies Josephus' writings were very popular and Origen, being very well educated and well read would have totally had access to Josephus' writings. Yet he never uses Josephus to defend the existence of Jesus. That's because the addition of Jesus to Josephus' writings hadn't happened yet. Tacitus and Pliny the Younger only wrote what Christians of their time believed, that isn't evidence of a historical Jesus as Metatron suggests.
@@druidriley3163Bro it's been 6 months what documentation did he leave out?
@@lemonhead9628 Sorry, CZcams used to leave up ALL comment responses, now they only leave up the most recent ones, and if I don't get to them fast enough, I don't know who responded. Examples, Josephus is an interpolation, most mainstream scholars now agree that Josephus didn't write the first mention of Jesus in his Testimonium, and many more are starting to agree the 2nd mention is also an interpolation, added by later Christians, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger were only writing about what Christians of their time believed, they didn't exactly go to Judea to fact check them. Suetonius didn't mention Jesus. He mentioned a Chrestus, which is a proper name and a very common name at the time. His work was later 'edited' by Christians to change the name to Christus. He doesn't mention Philo of Alexandria who lived at the exact same time as Jesus supposedly did, and he had family in Jerusalem that he visited often. We have thousands of words of his surviving. Philo wrote about Jewish culture, religion, politics, he even wrote about Pontius Pilate. Know who he didn't write about? Jesus. Pliny the Elder wrote about all the religions and cults and superstitions of his time (he lived 23 ce - 79 ce) and he never mentioned Jesus or Christianity.
Dude asks Roman official about Jewish guy they crucified. Roman reaction- "Ummmm that doesn't narrow things down at all."
That's funny
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
@@ourtube1128 yes
"Sooo it was a guy."
But if you specified it was on the jewish passover , he'd say " oh yes, the one who lasted 3 hours and had the inscription above his head"
People talking about history while dressed the part is vastly under rated.
What is its rating?
People can dress what ever way they want. They are not naked they are not breaking the law by dressing the way they want. It is called been creative
@@lonewolf4352 I had no idea that's what it's called. Thanks for the new (to me) term.
It's perfect for the ADHD generation. Imagine if a teacher did this in class more often. It would be like history class mixed with television, or at least theater. Check out the 1984 film Teachers for a good, and very funny, example of this concept.
I'm lobbying the BBC to get Dr Hannah Fry to do the history of bikinis. Unfortunately, we'll probably get James May.
I mentioned this video on Facebook post about the actual birth date of Jesus and got mocked because they don't realise the level of research you do for your videos. I do and will gladly watch your work.
Wrap your noodle round this. There never was multiple Gospels by multiple authors. The Gospel was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@termination9353sadly the Templar’s were massacred.
@@Sunshine-lo6vd I said that Friday 13th. What does that have to do with my point.
@@termination9353Where do you noodles come up with this junk?
I'm 5 minutes into my first video of his and I am already happy to find him but sad it took so long.
That was a fantastic video, please make this a series! I appreciate your honesty and historical accuracy
*Someone is literally making people rise from the dead and feeding the poor through cloning food*
Romans: _Is he paying his taxes though?_
He did "give caesar what belongs to caesar and give God what belongs to God"
Romans trying to add up how much money they would get from him if they implement a fish and bread tax.
"Yes sir he is but-" "Then whats the problem huh, I literally don't care"
The IRS be like...
@@laisphinto6372 if you give to God what belongs to God, what's left for Caesar?
"If it doesn't threaten Roman military control, it doesn't matter."
That's a very telling perspective.
The parallels between Roman and American thought concerning militarism and governance are staggering, M H.
@Phillip hanna What the fuck. That went fucking miles beyond anything.
@Phillip hanna You don’t have to acknowledge the truth, or even understand it, but your ignorance can’t possibly change the fact that it’s true.
@@maekong2010 "You don’t have to acknowledge the truth, or even understand it, but your ignorance can’t possibly change the fact that it’s true." It's funny that you said something which so perfectly can be applied to yourself.
@@rodshop5897 I should have known that when one tool shows up, it won't be long before it's followed by the whole shed. Okay, Tardshop, what could your point possibly be? You and philipbanana up there surely have better things to do than embarrass yourselves on public fora. But, I have a soft spot for jackwads. So, take your best shot.
What a very detailed historical account of the person Jesus as I have never heard of the times of birth and death, much appreciated and I see that you have a follow-up video on what he may have looked like and I will watch that one next. Thank you!
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This is a really cool video; it is awesome to see that there are people who go about trying to check the validity of historical figures based on different testimonies and texts outside of that individuals home region/faith/religion. Keep up the good work.
Also, are there links to some of these texts for further reading/education?
metatron saying that the video isn't biased while wearing a roman armor is quite funny.
I think you misinterpret it. It is good that he wears a roman armor as to it is related to history. The roman soldiers are one opressors as described in the Bible.
@@MrKyutTV its a joke. I know.
I feel like the armor is for protection against angry comments.
@@MrKyutTV Are they oppressors or simply freeing the masses from carpet baggers and snake oil salesmen?
@@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse they were both
“Sir, that man we crucified has risen from the dead!”
Roman Emperor - “charge him for 3 days of lost taxes.”
Jesus IS real and He is God. Repent of your sins and believe in Him or you will be cast into Hell.
@@56pjr idk, sounds like something a cultist would say
@@56pjr but I thought we were all loved…
@@ninjamania You right. Some of us Christians don't read the Bible too well sometimes, even if they've got a general idea of it. If this person were to read closer in Corinthians they might find that none but the worst are doomed to hell, and that the vast majority of people on the earth will go to a degree of glory, including many who aren't Christians, depending on if they act in accordance with what they know, i.e. being charitable because it helps both the giver and receiver vs. being selfish in spite of knowing charity is right. I just wish there weren't so many who did that in the comments. It's does the exact opposite of what they think it does. Not all of us belong to cults either. XD
@@56pjr Sounds like a threat if you ask me.
Just found you and really enjoying going through these! These are great!
could you add a playlist for your videos about Jesus? your research and videos are well done and very insightful. i'd love to hear all you've addressed regarding Christ. maybe you could make it a Biblical playlist including any work regarding the Bible and the apocrypha.
"Cite your sources"
Metatron: "hold my beer"
Tene vinum meum?
@@Aurora2097 yes that
Hold my pasta
hold my vino
@@Kunaimaru
hold my VINOH!
Romans when Jesus' teachings were only in Iudea: I sleep
Romans when they reach Rome: Atreius, bring the cross... the HEAVY cross
Romans a few hundred years later: you this guy is alright
You have successfully repurposed a quote from a pseudo-Roman from 41 thousand years in the future
It's crazy how Christians hang they hats on the cross when the cross was nothing but the instrument of Romans judicial system
Wow…feels like I sat through the best lecture ever and now I got an essay due…. You definitely have a gift..
I thoroughly enjoying your content! Thank you for helping clarify interpretation and authenticate history again. So educational!
16:29
soldier: general, there's this dude raising the dead and stuff, he seems sus
general: a magician performing necromancy? who did he revived?
soldier: some friend of his named Lazarus
general: oh, ok...
general: _does he pay his taxes tho?_
The skit was so funny lol.
Jesus: Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
Romans: Everything seems to be in order here. You Jews settle this yourselves.
This sounds like a Monty Python skit.
General: We should institute a tax on resurrection, have a tax collector stand near the dead for 2 days.
Jesus by the 3rd day: Is he gone yet? Ha! Ha! Taxation is theft!
Priorities
“Jesus Christ, it’s Yeshua Cresto!” - Some Roman emperor
Constantinius Magnus??
Bigus Dickus?
@@sirgalahad1376 He has a wife you know...
@@jakub_paints6775 it's a month python reference I don't think he's calling Jesus gay
@@dillhouston8941 r/woosh
Your presentation is a breath of fresh air! Glad to have stumbled upon your channel and again I applaud your comprehensive wealth of information.
As a linguist your classical Latin pronunciation is on point. I rarely see this in videos outside of polymathy, well done.
Thanks! And me and Luke Ranieri often collaborate together :)
@Matt Finish See the difference is that I don’t say there definitely was, nor do I say there definitely wasn’t, like you do. I just express my personal belief, having reviewed the data available, that he did exist. You however speak in absolutes, which is the non academic way of tackling this. If it was as certain that he didn’t exist as you make it to be, Christianity wouldn’t exist.
@Matt Finish so Romans created Jesus then they crucified him then became the prominent believers of his faith. All to create a new religion and make themselves look good? I mean killing god’s avatar kinda looks bad, if they were making propaganda why wouldn’t they say they saved god?
What you say is just as believable as Jesus being god, meaning not at all.
@@metatronyt "If it was as certain that he didn’t exist as you make it to be, Christianity wouldn’t exist." That's not really logical, considering religion does not need physical existence of deities to have existed for the persistence of religious faith. There are definitely no Hindu gods that ever existed in physical form, yet the religion itself still does. Surely you and the consensus of academia everywhere are fairly certain of the absolute non-existence of those gods. But can acknowledge that the Hindu faith is still in practice today.
@Matt Finish Using that shitty logic, every historical figure before the invention of the camera is fake, created for some purpose.
You'd believe some pharaoh existed 4000 years ago based off one brief line of text somewhere but wouldn't believe an influential cult leader named Jesus existed despite multiple records and evidence? Loony
I will try to be as unbiased as possible.
-Man in Roman army uniform.
@@jamesguy1030 lol bots nowadays
@@internet5076 lol wtf is even going on between those two.
they'll both be eating bugs soon
@@jamesguy1030 Hahaha. How much are they paying you in this Indian callcenter?
@@VeganV5912 Plants are alive too. And, unlike animals, some of them are alive when you eat them. Think about that.
@@juanausensi499 .. Plants don’t think. Got no brain 🌱. I was in a coma 😑 at the hospital 🏥. Five days in a coma. I don’t remember this. We do have a brain. Find it please.... Dust it off. Switch it on / . You’ve got a brain 🧠. Use it wisely. You hurt animals. Stop that please.
You don’t do with your cute little dog 🐶. Or a rabbit 🐰. Or a horse 🐴. Or a pig 🐷, oh wait, ⛓🤪🔪🦠💩🍖🔴🐷 !!!!!
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Which side of history are you on ?? Oppressor 🍖🤯 or Vegan 🌎✅ ???
Well said and articulately explained. God bless you!
I loved your explanation about Jesus's life on the romans perspectives. Keep up with the great work.😊
16:54 "Sir, he fed 5000 men with just a few fishes and loaves of bread!" "Hmm, imagine the logistical capabilities!"
god can do anything, or... fable ?
It was exactly this that caused Jesus to offend and dismiss a huge number of his followers. In John 6 is the whole story, but basically he feeds all them folk, then in verse 14&15 they began to realize how good that would be for power. Jesus gets away from there, but the next day the crowds show up again and he makes the famous 'I am God, eat my flesh.' speech (51-58). Most of his followers skedaddled after that because claiming to be God is bad, and trying to get folks to eat you is bad. It really is a fascinating section and shows that different goals Jesus had vs the folk that were around him.
@@jeffreykershner440 Yes, sir, that is a precise recollection of events.
@@jeffreykershner440 : Yes, I think christianity is a blood cult and they practice symbolic cannibalism.
@@anonymousjohnson976 Based.
"Sir, this man made an entire Legion disappear"
"DID HE WHAT?"
Then Varus must have been a mighty sorcerer indeed, he made THREE whole Legions disappear!
If he was in age of empires universe. This man would convert the whole legion! This would be even worst. Lol
@@martins.4240 "Bravo, Varus! Swift hands, my good sir, very cool! I'll just need those legions back when you're ready? Whenever you're ready, no rush, haha. Whenever you're ready..."
@@martins.4240 "GIVE ME BACK MY LEGIONS"
Romans: Nah, I know that trick, it's done with a rotating stage and the audience is in it.
So very interesting, all your research is impressive and appreciated. Thank you!
Excellent historical work especially how the Romans thought of Religion, Jesus, the Jews, Judea and Power and the way you speak Latin and Greek puts me back in time
i am a historian and work with acheologist, and biblical archeologist, so i have some knowlege in this area, and you did a great job in this subject god job!!
Does your opinion on the existence of Jesus match metatrons?
@@Rokaize yeah actually the existence of Jesus in the academy, biblical archeologists agreed that he exist, and was somewhat important, many of the people I work with are Jewish and agreed that he exist, know there view from the religious stand point is very different to the Christians
@@checho00 right, I’m asking where your viewpoint differs in comparison to metatrons.
@@Rokaize I think I differ on the fact that he was a person of interest to Rome, or at least to Pilatus, because he sentence him to deat by crucifixion, and if it is registered his execution, as Metatron point out in the text he use, at least for the Roman authorities in the region he was more important that what he tries to imply, is important to said that in jewdean law crucifixion wasn't a mean of execution, the last time there was accepted was around 173 BCE, so the trial and execution was absolute Roman, in my opinion, because of the translation of the text to Latin and the Roman covertion to Christianity later on the tradition try to change a little some things in the final trial, giving a little more emphasis to the Jewish that they really have, even more taking on account that for example the priest where the face of the judean law, so I think at least for the Roman authorities in the region Jesus was more important that what Metatron try to imply(sorry if I write something incorrectly English is not my native language, still thanks for the debate, even if my view is incorrect to your point of view it is a good practice for my English )
@@checho00 I don’t really agree or disagree with you on it since I don’t know enough about it to take a firm stance.
I would imagine in an empire as huge as the Roman one. They’d have all sorts of people claiming to preform miracles or to have some sort of divine powers. It happens now days all the time just look at televangelists who preform gay exorcisms or whatever other none sense they do. I just find it hard to imagine the romans not being used to this kind of thing.
Why would they see him as more significant than some other cult leader or street preacher? From there perspective it must seem like they own the world and an almost arrogant way of looking at other people.
"was a pretty chill guy, dunno why they wanted him dead. also my old leg wound stopped hurting, ...and my sick kid is running around again."
- some centurion during that day
Pilate was like that he was just peer pressured into executing him
"We also gave him some posca since he said he was very thirsty and we felt sorry for him, poor guy."
Jesus was a psychotic tyrant according to the bible and the edited versions that cut out 30 years of his life.
@@zonzillamagnus5902 Its, a joke. I dunno what spices are you into but its not worth the Colonization
@@zonzillamagnus5902 what the fuck?
I am neither a Christian, nor a historian. I'm an agnostic woman with ADHD but your videos are so enlightening and entertaining I can't stop watching now. I am in the process of binge watching these. I appreciate you helping me to expand my already plentiful well of random useless knowledge. :)
One great way to stop being agnostic is to keep researching the historical accuracy of Jesus, the bible, and the resurrection. All the while being as critical as is reasonable. You will sooner or later find yourself in a church
@@nogodsnokingsonlymen8538or become a full-blown atheist
@@nogodsnokingsonlymen8538”in a church” WRONG! “Church “ IS NOT A BUILDING. 2) the more you research the bible the LESS you believe in it
@@nogodsnokingsonlymen8538 I totally support the process you described. Tho, doing unbiased research will inevitably lead you to realise there is no good reason to believe any of this. A Jesus existed. It wasnt that uncommon a name. But *the* Jesus? The one that performed magic tricks and whatnot? No hard evidence whatsoever.
I need more medicine
As a history buff and a polyglot I loved this presentation. Subscribed!
no offense but who professes themselves as a polyglot? usually people refer to others as polyglot, not they to themselves.
@@robosing225 No offense taken but I'm not sure why you have a problem with my comment. I hear people refer to themselves as being bilingual or multilingual often. It wasn't meant to be a flex. I was simply attempting to explain why I appreciated this video. My passion for learning languages being one of the reasons.
@@creatingwithcode1630 more power to ya big bro. it's just unusual imo. maybe not to others.
i was used to "multilingual" like you said.
"Ave Ceasar, emperor a man in Judea made an entire legion dissipear. And then he pulled it out of a hat!
"Good have him sent to the Germanic border. With his hat. Of course."
I really like the Rowan Atkinson bit about Jesus as a magician
This man speaks Latin so beautifully while here I am butchering the phrases and accidentally summoning demons. SMH.
😂😂I had no idea other people actually worry about this.
🤣🤣🤣🤣👿😬
@@LuciferArc1 as a matter of fact, we do have a pretty solid idea of what Roman Latin would have been spoken like, because we have a wealth of material to study
This was the case with ecclesiastical Latin, though
lol
@@LuciferArc1 Actually we do know what it sounded like. Here is a good video of what Latin sounded like and how we know: czcams.com/video/_enn7NIo-S0/video.html
Thank you for sharing your expertise and talented style of research. I look forward to watching ALL of your programs 🙏
You are a great speaker. Very respectful and that speaks greater than you do. Appreciate you. ❤
Great and interesting video! I just love the way you bring Roman names to life, pronouncing them in a wonderful way. (My only Latin lessons were spoken by men with bad Latin accents!)
Thank you! I do believe Classical Latin pronunciation is beautiful for two reasons, it's very powerful sounding, and it's how they actually pronounced things back then, which gives It authenticity.
@@metatronyt metatron, where did you get the galea in this video? I'm looking to get one
@@metatronyt @Metatron i don't understand how if "you said what you believe" bush your beliefs or faith to others. Like this not only religion it can be used to opinions too. Too me there is no difference between an opinion or what you believe or belief in faith. Can you explain?
Anyway in the context of Jesus it would not even hlep to examine the bible. Also i didn't like the use of the word myth. I would prefer real or not even though they mean the same to discriminate/spreat between Abrahamic religions and mythology/other religions, simply because they classified differently. Also Jesus didn't like what the Merchant where doing because of 3 resones the place should not be fir a shop as well as the merchant where steeling and useing interest/usury. In Islam we say he died at age of 33, probably a month more or less stuff.
Not really died but left this world at that age around 33.
@@metatronyt As big a fan as I am with (your) Classical pronunciation, isn’t there ample evidence that spoken or street Latin was much more like spoken Italian? Here I am dredging up up my own ancient memory of archeological findings in graffiti on Pompeian walls. Academic, elite or official writing can vastly differ common speech, just as the writings of Martin Luther were spread in Latin, German and for the illiterate with salty images capturing the general tone towards the Church.
@@GhostOnTheHalfShell Absolutely, the pronunciation I use Is upper class city Latin. People from the country side had different vowels, different combinations sometimes too have been documented. You can't, however, Just shrug It Off as "It sounds more like Italian" because It's too reductive. The Italianate pronunciation, or Ecclesiastical Is a much later phenomenon. Some points would be similar, but It would still differ. Just to give you One example of many, a modern Italian would Always pronounce the "m" at the end of a Word, but the Latins would Always pronounce It nasalized, and the Roman grammarians tell us to completely obmit It in some cases. If you fully pronounce It, you'll sound like a barbarian, their words, not mine.
Just another day, a Roman soldier talking about Jesus
Better than talking about Muhammad the false prophet who preyed on little girls, even married one.
@@myemperor eh???
@@skrydon78 yes
@@emanuelmaldoileacont8253 That's absolutely fucked up. Imma do some research.
@@skrydon78 That my good sir, is the proper response.
❤👍🏽 I’m loving your videos, very informative
I love your Latin pronunciation. Impressive !! Brings me in my imagination back to those ancient times . Great research and very important 👏
In the Gospels, someone in the crowd says to Jesus "you are not yet 50" so your older age does fit.
Yeah, 40-43 makes sense
You are referring to John Chapter 8 where Jesus was blasting the Pharisees and Sadducees. In the same chapter He calls them sons of the devil. They didn't like that much.
Yes. He was trying to keep it out of the Bible, though.
There would have been folk calling him "King of the Jews" as a form of mockery. There would have been folk calling him "King of the Jews" to get him in trouble with the Romans. So many players in Jerusalem then as now
Consider the birth records showing him being the last known candidate for the kingship of the Jewish people via King David. He was the legit king.
@@ginagrant1 that's a ret-con I'm afraid. Trying to legitimise him after his death, same with the 3 wise men and all that. The fact that we know him as Jesus of Nazareth kinda makes the odds of him being born in bethlehem close to 0
@@domhuckle
If someone is born in one place but then lives at another place for 30 years and starts traveling after that it is more than likely that he is known for the places he lived for 30 years than for the place he was born, however, we know far too little hard historical facts to calculate any odds, but this claimed lineage is kinda irrelevant if we look at the facts we actually do know.
- The line of David wasn't in power anymore in Judea (the Romans choose Herod) and even Herod's competitors were from another dynasty (the Hasmonean dynasty)
- In the biblical story Joseph (not Mary) is the claimed descent from David and he is actually not the father of Jesus there, but God. Therefore, people can't actually claim that Jesus is a descent of King David
@@lars9925 well they could but they would have to stop believing him to be the son of God and is just a normal human. Personally I ain't religious nor a atheist but I think Jesus was just the son of Joseph or Jesus was a demigod an has to connection no David thus couldn't be the next in line to be king, the problem with mythology even loosely based events that is all hearsay and wrote down centuries after Jesus death is contradictory and all over the place. It is like the telephone game, gets exaggerated be over time and new things get added. so we do not truly know really and just have what was once orally spoken until it was written down as the Bible.
@@Thunor93
It would be interesting if someone believed a kinda unlikely ancestral story in the Bible but then rejected the rest as untrustworthy.
In contrast to the Old Testament, which in parts was noticeably subject to editing and was written over a period of centuries, the content of the New Testament is hardly corrupted over time. The stories are either largely true or made up from the start.
Although the final canon of the New Testament wasn't set until the 4th century its elements were written between AD 50 and AD 110 and are quasi eyewitness accounts by the standards of antiquity. E.g. the Gospel of Mark was written 30 to 40 years after Jesus' death (AD 66-74); that is hardly enough time for proper myth-making.
For comparison: Cassius Dio, who lived between AD 163 and 235 is considered a reliable author of Roman history in historical studies, although he wrote about stuff that partly happened over a hundred years before his birth.
In short: It's not like a telephone game. NT stories are largely not distorted.
This was great to watch, thank you so much for your work!
17:20
Around this part, it makes more sense, since Herod was a king over a province, in Judea. There was stuff going on about "a new king" and "overthrowing Rome" that was coming around, that disturbed him. That is why he himself was disturbed by the thought of Jesus ariving.
Thats what I thought about it, to add in what i remembered.
Thank you Metatron for the types of videos you make, I really began to love history because of you.
Keep up your passion.
At first, I thought "wow, us internet age people are kinda funny, sitting around in armor musing on history." Then it hit me, C.S. Lewis and Tolkein totally would have done this... if it's not that weird, I bet people have been doing this sort of silliness for most of human history, allowing for differences in resources and manufacturing."
Wordsworth and Coleridge used to act out and emote their poetry when they went on uk tours. Just like the rock concerts we used to have!!
we wear costumes to pretend we are someone else all the time... Halloween for example and other more lewd situations too.
I actually watched this video wearing a roman helmet. I just had to. I own some Napoleonic helmets, Viking and Norman helmets ( which I made) and some ww1 and ww2 helmets.
Sometimes I wear them watching movies or documentaries about the subject. Strange? Well, perhaps.
he should probably stick to tin props and not get into these subjects.
No, they would not have. Nice try.
as a Christian guy who loves authentic delivered history i have to love this channel! even the latin was on point damn
Christians lure some, but insult others in public:
As if those condemned to voting as a quality-control,
would have any desire for leadership with one foot in fantasyland.
These are the wolves in sheep's clothing,
Think not they come with peace, but sword.
A house divided, cannot stand.
Your name is Christian Guy? That's cool.
Jesus was a pedophile as per Mark 14:51-52
Latin from South America?
@@catdaddy2643 you do realize that South America got Latin/Spanish from European Spainiard religious crusaders who came to conquer the continent right?
An interesting thing Metatron didn't mention: in the month of April in 5BC there was a large and bright comet visible in the night sky, which many think could have been the star of Bethlehem. 25th of December is a political date that was randomly chosen centuries later to compete with pagan winter solstice holidays.
Imo it seems Jesus was born in April 5 BC. Best estimation we have.
it is most likely jesus's birth did not coincide with anything remarkable. Also, not credible information in historical writings.
I have a video using Stellarium to show precisely when he was born and why the Magi knew to travel to see him and that the "star" was a conjunction of Venus and Jupiter over Bethlehem if you were travelling from the Herodian the Bethlehem. On the day of Shavout/Pentecost... the day the "gift is given". Mrbythefireside
The way I've heard it is that the star that guided the three wise men was actually a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn that occurred on 5th - 6th December in 7 BCE. Apparently there is a conjunction like this every 400 years or so.
@@kiwitrainguy it's more spectacular than that. You could fast forward through the video i suggest till you see the closeup of the conjunction and watch that. Biblically the story says the Magi had been watching the "star" (Jupiter) for over nine months ... why? ... because it was in retrograde around circling Regulus ("king maker") three times ... and Regulus is the eye of Leo (king constellation). KING KING KING. This was a phenomenon never seen in history and using programmes like Stellarium... never will be seen again. It's at the same time Metatron suggests. That's why the wise men set out to Jerusalem and asked everyone "where is the king". And when they told herod what they saw in the sky he didnt refute it. That night the "king" planet and the mother" planet were in the closest conjunction ever seen forming one amplified light for about 20 mins. It would have been remarkable sight at dusk setting over Bethlehem as you travel up the road from the Herodian to Bethlehem. ... anyway... I'm a kiwi too ;)
I am truly impressed with your knowledge and explanations, it's just incredible thank you ( AI has no chance of matching or supplanting your shows)
I’ve been diving into Christian rhetoric a lot recently and I must say, I really respect how analytical you are in this video. Lots of straight information based on your understanding of the texts. Thank you for your synopsis.
If you talk to a real theologian not an armchair theologian who only understands the English, then you will get lots of academic critical engagement like this. My dissertation was on the translation of a single word in John Ch1v5b. I could have got a PhD out of that.
Christian rhetoric?
@@l.t.1305 look up Saint Augustine.
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@@l.t.1305 rhetoric
rĕt′ər-ĭk
noun
The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.
A treatise or book discussing this art.
Skill in using language effectively and persuasively.
Acts 26 would be a good example of Christan rhetoric because Paul tries to persuade the King to become a Christian while on trial.
As a native Vietnamese, I have never been religious myself, but it is still very interesting to learn about other folks through both history, folklores and religions. For this, I loved this video! And please make this a series! Buddha and Buddhism might be another similarly interesting topic. Cheers!
Yeah, studying other cultures' history, tales, legends, history, religions IS interesting 👍❤️
Now one advice: never fall in to the bubble and echo chamber or of monotheistic "ONLY I AM RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG" religions, ideologies, politics and cults. They all do the same, turn you into their mental slaves for their own wars.
Yes a historical video on Buddha and Buddhism will be really fantastic. Connection between Buddhism and Greek conquest in India can be interesting. Apparently the current Buddha images that we have is created by Greco-Indians.
@@parthaprotimbarua603 Yeah before the Indo-Greek connection with primarily the civilization of Gandhara, there weren't physical depictions of the Buddha beyond certain symbols like the Footprint of Buddha due to Buddha not really being seen as a god. The physical depictions like the statues came from the influence of the Greek statues of the gods and conflating Buddha as one of them. Although it should be noted that a good chunk of the Indo-Greek civilizations were in modern-day Pakistan not the modern-day India.
Yeah man, religions shaped human culture, it would be stupid to dismiss such an important topic. also useful to shut up bigots when they start lecturing :P
Thank you for doing this, I've been wondering this since i can remember
That was the best summary of this history I've ever seen. Thank you Metatron.
Romans: We hate Christianity
Also Romans: Let's embrace christianity and make sure to spread it within the empire.
Actually it is quite typical for them. They were good at adapting things from others and replicating them in their own way.
@@emilnemyl448 Same methods of how Disney made their "animated classics" from classic fairy tales in the public domain which always ended on messed up notes. Then they make sure that the social narrative people believe that our versions are the only ones that matter even up to the legal narrative.
@@bloochoo2870 Catholics are Christians by definition.
@@bloochoo2870 stop spreading lies bro.
@@bloochoo2870 i bet you're protestant
I like that this guy is totally in character ... as a scholar ... sporting Roman soldier garb like it's just a normal Saturday morning at his house
I've a sneaky suspicion that it probably is 😉 I know if that if I had that armour I would! 😄
I mean if I have a complete set of commissioned historical armor, I would wear it too.
Love my armour what can I say :)
Keep well away from the bugger during thunderstorms.
@@metatronyt Out of curiosity... How often do you usually wear it? Mostly just for videos, or do you just randomly put it on?
I own some armor (1980s flak vest and helmet) and I just randomly get the urge to wear it.
I appreciate your channel and your unbiased outlook on history and politicization of history. I’m a huge fan! Keep it up
That's brilliant, disciplined and well presented. Thank you, sent this to the BBC!
Great video, very informative. I was fortunate to spend 2 weeks in Jerusalem this Easter/Passover/Ramadan, and hope to return in the future. The old city is the most incredible place I've ever been.
“The worst punishment a man could ever receive is to be forgotten” -the romans
Badda boom badda bing-some Italian guy. lol
In the end everybody who ever existed will be forgotten 🤷
@Harry Crabb Well, in an attempt to educate the uneducated, crucifixion IS torture. But do you actually think crucifixion was the only torture Jesus endured? That was actually a humane thing the Romans did for him to hurry death along from the horror he endured before even being put on the cross. They whipped him with the most painful torture devices of the day. Split his skin down to to the point that it sliced muscle. Then flogged and scourged him with a flagellum whip which was designed to tear chunks of skin and muscle away from the body. They did this on his front and back. Not to mention they punched and kicked his face multiple times during the flogging most likely breaking his jaw and orbital bones. By the time Jesus carried the patibullum of his cross to the execution site, he was barely alive and more closely resembled a bloody and torn piece of meat than a human being. Show some respect because he did all of this for all men, including you.
@@TheAxe4Ever Anyone beaten the way that you describe, couldn't carry a toothpick, let alone the crossbeam. The scourging was done to "soften up" the person, but NOT to kill him/her.
@Harry Crabb oh my goodness that conversation about the cat's name is hilarious! I also thought they meant blasphemy was the name at first lol
Never thought you was going to touch a subject like this. Will def watch this.
Yeah I was kinda surprised at first
Its mythology just makes up whatever suits you, the easiest subject.
@@Hunter4042012 tip your fedora elsewhere
@@redreaper8652 I don't have one, can I borrow yours?
@@Hunter4042012 he doesn't have one, he only has a trip y that he calls a fedora
I really had to refine my search to come across this channel but the second that I saw the Metatron seal I was like all right… Took me like a whole five minutes to realize that that was the title of your channel lol. Big shout out to the ever changing device
Your analysis ofvthe Roman perspective is excellent. Great video.
The best thing is, the gospel itself implies that Jesus was pretty unknown to the romans even shortly before his execution, considering they needed to bribe a close friend of his to tell them which of the three guys hanging out in that garden they were supposed to arrest
Brilliant :))
The gospel is the Christianity/Greco Roman comparability patch
Romans were letting them run themselves with roman oversight.
Which makes no sense if he were actually performing miracles like is claimed.
@@angelman906 it would make no sense today with a media and social-media. Back then, how would they ever have seen a life-like picture of Jesus, even if they had heard Jesus did miracles? There would be literally no way
your pronunciation is really amazing.
Thank you!
His Cockney accent is pretty epic too.
Voted this up even though I have no idea if it's good or bad.. Does that make me ... a believer?
@@GinoLuccio he is the king of ecclesiastical Latin.
Actually, his take on Scouse is worth listening to. Clever fellow.
Your videos are great!liked and subscribed and shared
Great video, thank you for all the information.
Rome, 30 AD: "LOL who is this jew with god-delusions?"
Rome, 312 AD: "LOL who is this pagan with nature-delusions?"
Rome in 500s AD time to build an even bigger and better church.
Julian the Apostate is permanently seething.
It's hilarious how they went from tossing the christians to the lions, to wage war against heretic non christians.
2019. Who is this atheist with Gay Science?
Get it? because there is an actual book named Gay Science.
It is hilarious because if there are two topics nietzche have no right to proudly promote, they are science and being happy.
Was that a good twist? I am open to suggestions.
As a Christian I must say the following
1: The lack of hostility towards Christians in these comment section is Impressive and I'm truly thankful for it.
2: The way Metatron handled the topic was a great example of the utmost Professionalism.
3: Greetings from Puerto Rico.
@DonnyBlips Saludos!.
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I like Puritants, before they went total postal. What sort of christians we are talking about?
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@Efren Cruz
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
Edit: 😀😀😀
I don’t understand why modern people doubt the existence of Christ as a historical figure but have no problems accepting the existence of Buddha and Mohamed as historical figures.
Did they claim to be gods?
@@druidriley3163they do require people to pray to them
@@iancaesar24 No, they don't.
The people who were the companions of Muhammad are widely attested in historical sources and incited major shifts in history. The close associates of Muhammad literally conquered territory and founded a continent-spanning empire. There's really not much of a reason to doubt the historicity of Muhammad, though specific claims within the quran are open to debate.
Buddha is more fair game, however.
Awesome perspective! Thank you
Devout catholic here. I enjoyed it a lot. Well done with the latin. You have some solid confidence to touch upon this topic.
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Sorry to hear that. Please look up how many people "devout Catholics" have killed through the centuries and get back to me.
@@biblicalfitness1838 What is your point?
Censor: "Who are your parents kid"
Jesus: "God"
Censor: "... Very funny"
Jesus "I wasn't joking"
Censor: "This is going to be a long day"
"Which one, be specific."
@@jaroslavb.korinek7285 Jaeweh
Romans were as much "I don't care what you say, you are gonna stay peaceful or we're gonna kill you quick, no messing" was how they dealt with the multitudes of religions and cults they met.
Don't forget Mary
@@Cathoholicism Yeah, Marian divinity has been definitely claimed by Catholics at many points during the history of the RC Church. Some still hold it now, it was kind of strange going to a Catholic university and hearing many espouse what seemed to me to be non-standard beliefs not in step with current (as of 1997, my last year there) RC dogma.
I would love to hear more and since I'm arriving to the party late, I'll check your videos to see if you've done follow ups! I also hope will do a historical take on the Buddha
This was a great topic. Additional information about Jesus would be wonderful
I accepted long ago that Jesus was historical, but it always bugged me that I could never find a clear explination of his historicity. I really appreciate you putting this detailed explination with citations together.
The attack upon the West is malicious, multifarious, and wide ranging. I don’t practice and even I can see that.
Cheers
There is none, There are however early church letters that seem to show that Jesus was made up to entice pagan cults with similar origin stories to join the Roman state run Christian Church
@@kellystoner277 Precisely. Monks writing about the Norsemen and their beliefs in 800AD isn't taken as evidence that Thor and Odin exist, so how is this "historical evidence"
@@serptimis1552 the claim is not that the text is accurate. But that jesus is based on one of more real historical figures.
Kind if like king arthur. Its likely a fabrication. And has many later additions. But originated in a certain time and was likely based on some real king or inspired by several.
@@kellystoner277 nonsense. That stuff has long been disproven. If you spent half of the time you have watching astrotheologist videos on reading the most voluminous and accurate historical text in human history, the Bible, then you'd see how incredible it truly is.
I enormously appreciate the spirit of neutrality on this channel. I love the clear distinction between what is reasonably and verifiably true, is possibly true but we'll never really know with absolutute certainy, and what is historically proven to be false. This is an outstanding channel!
I agree. Nowadays too many news sources input their bias by putting things that are likely true as defiantly true and vice versa, or they heavily imply their bias is the most likely answer. When it comes to history especially, it’s of the utmost importance we view it with no bias whatsoever, and pure facts , and not trying to pretend we know things we don’t.
some guy called that sure, with lots of edited added stories added over the years yes! The magical J zombie who is the J messiah NO! CANT BE DOESNT QUALIFY! didnt return in their life times (you can tell because the earth is still here) also Nazerth! Thats why they made up the census fairy tale to meet the requirement of being born there! LOL when there never was a census! LOL
@@pittsfieldbeast Prove the magical pixie exists and did it, but nobody ever has!
"Spirit of neutrality" bruh has a fancy title for cuck,lmao
@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 and nobody ever will. All of the bible has been disproven. Not being a dick ppl just stating facts
Well done Sir 👏 This is a wonderful,intelligent and balanced video,citing sources etc. I only wish all people would put worth such well researched content.
Except it isn't well researched. He made assumptions and omitted facts that contradict his conclusion.
Once again you blow my mind. As an amateur historian, I love watching your videos.!!!!!! Rock on my friend!!!
I really enjoyed listening to this Raff, I enjoy historical analysis of religious figure. I would love to see this series keep going.
Amen to that
Going through this, it’s remarkable how tolerant the Roman world could be as well as remarkably intolerant, at certain times and in certain places during certain eras of the Empire.
One just had to stay in line. Romans were chill when it comes to religions and personal believes. I mean you would be fine worshipping a giant flying spaghetty monster. They just hated when someone is forcing others to join by scaring them, telling only their deity is real, not cooperating with the state, breaking the laws and also lots of romans took the 'my body and blood' parts too literally and any cannibalistic stuff and human sacrifice were strictly prohibited. So if one looks at it from the Roman point of view Christians were like scarier Jehovah witnesses obsessed by eating body parts of their dead God. (not a religious opinion or anything. But that is most likely how it looked to them).
Another banned religion was one from the east where the men as a ritual of passage had to cut their testicles, run through the city and throw them into any open window. Owners of the windom had to go out and give the man clothes which he was supposed to wear for the rest of his life. Just imagine. Sitting with your family at the sunday lunch, conversating enjoying the meal and then you hear screaming from the street. Getting closer and closer and all of sudden a pair of nuts land in your soup. Yep. I totally see why it was banned.
Plus you can attribute this to the varying psychological states of each Roman leader.
They varied so greatly and each ruling affected the entire empire so much and everybody just went along with it until they overthrew the ruler or more crazy shit happened lol
@James Henry Smith well let’s not hope too soon, as that means judgment day
@@wolftal1178 i doubt id fare well if i were to be judged today.
Perhaps i shall improve my life. Or just wait for another time...
@@hans6138 your life Is choices,if you’ve made bad ones simply from now on make good ones.
Those are really great references. Thank you!
New watcher rewatching some older videos and I really love your dedication to historical accuracy with as little bias as possible. Honestly (no idea if this is brought up in an earlier video, but I doubt it) given the way you treat this I have no idea what you personal beliefs are in regards to Christianity, which really speaks to how well you stay unbiased.
If you know anything about the subject matter, you can tell he's entirely biased toward the existence of Jesus as a historical figure. He leaves out evidence that contradicts his stance. It's disappointing.
@@druidriley3163 interesting, would you be willing to present the evidence that contradicts his stance?
@@williamgressman4001 Did he mention that Josephus' mentions of Jesus are interpolations? Current scholarly stance is that Josephus never mentioned Jesus in his Testimonium. Those were later additions by Christians. Did he mention Tacitus was only writing what Christians of his time believed? Not like Tacitus fact checked them. Did he mention Pliny the Younger also did the same? Did he note that neither Josephus, Pliny the Younger or Tacitus were even born when Jesus supposedly lived? Did he note that someone writing about Christian beliefs is not evidence that Jesus was historical? DId he assume Jesus had apostles? If so, did he present any evidence that they actually existed because there isn't any. Did he point out that we have no writings of Jesus from Jesus' supposed lifetime?
Just to name a few things.
@@druidriley3163 there's some first century writings from the church fathers that give a little credibility to everything. It's a lot to take in
@@dco1487 None dating from the supposed time of Jesus. It's way later. As I said, the only writings we have on Jesus except for the letters of Paul, come late in the 1st century, the gospels.
Superb work, man! Extremely interesting to watch all the way to the end.
No esperaba verte aquí xd
Nonsense. You'll believe anything.
Excellent research GOD BLESS
@@normanbates569 v
@@edwardcardozo8325 V
can we appreciate how he is dressed up for the occasion
Hold on, honey, I need 2 hours more than you to get ready.
I know what to eat for dinner, btw. 2 fish and 5 bread.
You must be new here, welcome.
Like an imbecile yes
I'll pay you $5.00 if you go to the Supermarket dressed up like that! 🤣
super thumbs up!! amazing video, thx for the master class
Very informative. Thank you.
Amazing work! Well done. I would only suggest that the main issue with persecuting Christians was not their preaching, but their rejection to worship Roman gods (including the Emperor's worship), which would be considered treason. That's what Trajan implied in his letter to Plinius
Uh, Amby, respectfully disagree.The Romans were smart enough to leave a deeply religious
people alone in their own religious worship to avoid active antagonism against their invasive
rule tho some emperors tried that with disastrous results.
Wait. Jeshua was CONTINUALLY RILLING up the Jews in Jerusalem? So, it wasn’t ‘render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s,’ as much as resist the Romans? Or preaching against the wealthy ? Or claiming to be the Messiah? Maybe he was much more of a revolutionary than we are told.
Thank you for your careful historical breakdown of the facts.
As a Christian I occasionally find it hard to have rational discussion about the subject of Jesus, even with other Christians.
History is always fascinating, and it's clear everytime I come here of your love of the subject.
...Don't you mean "especially Christians"?
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 he's talking about atheist or people from other religions who will deny Jesus ever existed.
@@MaikaSan2077 oh, yeah, but many Christians argue just as weird
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 The other guy misunderstood what you originally said, but what you originally said was biased and frankly in poor taste.
@@BestKCL I absolutely didn't mean it to come out as hard as you seemingly understood it. I just wanted to say that, no matter if you're Christian or not, you have ro agree that many (Not the majority of) Christians aren't open to discussions about jesus as a historical figure.
Your instruction is, so valuable and greatly appreciated.
Love your work man, keep it up.