Jocko Podcast 434.5: FACTS AND CLARIFICATIONS. War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership.
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- Actions, operations, and conduct of SEAL Team Three, Task Unit Bruiser, in the Battle of Ramadi.
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He never addresses the source for most of these recent accusations. They come from a fellow SEAL who WAS there, but he’s acting like they’re coming from the peanut gallery.
Yap and I can tell you as a service member and afgan veteran unless you were wanting to shit on any chance of you possibly ever being even seen out in public without being ridiculed and ashamed you would never ever ever make up those types of accusations. No way no how
He addressed one inaccurate detail and used that to try to discredit the entire argument.
Now also coming from a Marine Commanding officer who was there
Which SEAL was there? Deming?
@@user-fm1kd6mi8n Yep, according to him. By “there”, I mean in senior noncom leadership of the SEALs.
Extreme ownership of bullshit and lies? Like the infamous pathological liar Kyle vs. Ventura.
Kyle is not a saint. But so is Ventura. A full on closet Liberal who talks shit all the time about the military and also supports Colin Kaepernick.
Kyle vs Hurricane Katrina looters
@@gleb3841 Kyle vs. His official military silver star decoration count
This is what happens when you put NAVY seals in a Marine and /or Army infantry battlespace. What in the world do seals know about taking and maintaining ground in a battlespace anyway? Everyone wants to dance but not everyone got on dancing shoes. Seals are like the Marine Infantry's little kid brother always wanting to get into the big fights. Let the Infantry guys do the dirty work and stick to the books and movies.
Well, the Marine that wrote the letter has surfaced and is sticking to his story.
Now what?
can you link some proof?
Just watched it.. the only redemption Jocko has is to go on Green Beret Chronicles with the boy's and see how these stories differ!!
@@bradd8383 agreed. I believe 100% of the claims made against the SEAL community. I think they need to hash it out. The fact that something like this is even coming out just shows that SOMETHING occured. It's hard to believe all of the claims made against them are all lies. Something happened. There's what GBC said, what the SEAL community says, and the truth.
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@@WestCoastIrk just search Green Beret Chronicles
Why does nobody ask why he hasnt went through chris kyles book with all of his outrageous claims. Particularly in 2005 when hurricane Katrina happened, and kyle claims he smoked looters. When at that time, he should've been training up for this deployment?
As in he would have been in training at the time? The military sometimes allows active duty members to assist in disaster response, so it's not impossible he could have been there even though he didn't actually snipe people.
Alot of units went to help in 2005. My entire company went from Ft Hood. Its not weird that military members went to help.
Chris Kyle is a wanker.
I'm glad Jesse Ventura won his lawsuit.
@@buffhorses3632 7.62mm help? 🤣
Why isn't there any actual record of him being there?
The last 10 minutes sounds like the guy at the end of the movie trying to make an emotional appeal right before being found guilty and getting the electric chair.
Yeah it was hard to listen to because it’s so out of character for jocko. Where there’s smoke there’s fire
Good
Turned into a motivational speech and to live your life better lol
Both Eric Deming (SEAL) and Jay Dorleus (Green Beret Chronicles) have said….”Come over and speak to us face-to-face on camera and clear the air”
How about it?
And give those two drama queens views and attention? Where is their actual evidence? All I heard was gossip and hearsey. Calling someone with a large social media following a war criminal and a conman without solid evidence is a great way to get yourself sued for slander.
@@gavbrescu911bro they just had the Marine XO who wrote the letter - that jocko said wasn’t real - on to interview him
@@gavbrescu911 czcams.com/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/video.htmlsi=qz2_woh0O5L6RPrC
This is the marine xo who wrote the letter - who isn’t one of the two drama queens you’re referring to
And that marine XO is mentioned in another video and sounds like he had some issues himself @matthewpyke5602
Jocko is scared to face the truth.
Was there a hand receipt signed for those MP5s that you claimed to have "loaned" to that Marine in 3/8? Wouldn't serialized equipment loaned to another unit require a hand receipt?
Plus didn't 3/8 have their own supressors?
Who witnessed you loaning out those MP5s?
Finally why don't you, Jay and Eric sit down and discuss this face to face? Or the Marine who wrote that letter? He has come forward.....
This!
This dude is a coward
I'm not sure what was said about the MP5. I'm just learning about this controversy. I was a Corpsman with 2/4 and in Ramadi for the surge in 2006-2007. We worked with a SEAL unit while clearing the katana district. We borrowed an MP5 from the Marines we were working with to use on dogs because the insurgents would use them to locate our movement.
Brah, teams regularly failed to coordinate with battle space owners in Mosul 2007-2009, and it caused all kinds of shit for us as the battle space owners. This line that not coordinating with other units was death shit is disingenuous. Rangers, MIT, and PIT teams as well as yes SEALs were all guilty of it, as were conventional ground forces.
At least that’s the Iraq I remember.
The SEALS think Jocko is a toolbag for many more reasons than what you listed above. Lots of them coming out now. In Afghanistan 2010-2011 I didn't have any major issues with de-conflicting fires, coordinating with adjacent units, communicating with each other with up to battalion size attacks.
My buddy Johnny roberge was killed up there during that time.
So now you have a Navy Seal Chief, 2 Green Berets and a Marine XO coming out speaking against Jocko.
The problem is there are rangers reporting the same thing. It’s multiple people speaking out. Why would they all falsely target jocko for? Doesn’t make sense to do.
I've seen Rangers, Green Berets, other big dog Seals, Marines etc. Green Beret Chronicles covers it several times and his newest episode has 4 guys from different branches speak on it.
Yup
@@Kharmatos13 I’m sure that perception plays a roll though. Jocko’s definitely differs from the current consensus.
As if its impossible for them to coordinate their stories beforehand. It does make it seem less likely, but in the world we live in, unfortunately wouldn't surprise me. Everyone wants clout
@@chickenfishhybrid44That makes absolutely no sense at all
Infantry Marine here,1st BN 2nd MAR DIV Charlie Company, OIF 2003 Task Force Tarawa.
This is the response I was waiting for.
Served with Graham...not during Ramadi but after. As a boot drop to these guys I remember a lot of them talking about the gov center and remember them being very angry about this situation.
>killed a civilian
good
>the locals are killing marines in retaliation?
good
>everyone in the AO my team operated in called us reckless assholes
good
>chris kyle added his civilian casualties to his "confirmed kill" count
good
Dude, Jocko. How many people do you expect us to believe are lying about you?
How about you do your research. This Eric dude is lying, and so is the fake letter. We know this because the number of deaths is public information. The letter says 37 Marines died because of Jocko's team. Only 17 died, and all 17 have full investigations. Iraq war was the most scrutinized war in human history. Every death on either side is investigated.
Fun fact. It wasn’t just Task Force Bruiser. We had SOF guys in an out of my AO on deployments. The only ones that never told us they were kicking around in our backyard was SEAL teams. I can count on more than one occasion of near blue on blue incidents because of it. I don’t care how super elite operator you are, A Brad crew can see you in the dark.
This is a very good point. Ego has no place in a serious business like war.
Brother from 1st Battalion 3rd Marines here…. And I know for a fact… whenever the SEALS were around,,,, they brought that same essence as a Cobra… I just felt better and more protected when they were around… thank you!
I was gonna say, just ask the Marines who were there. Semper Fi.
Jocko should run for president, probably why he is getting attacked like this to warn him what kind of monster he would be dealing with if he was thinking going political.
@@Jasn_Chvz wHy aSk pEOple wHo WeRE ThEre wHEn i cAN JUmP tO cOnClUsiOns!!!!????!!??!?!?!?!!??
@@Zuke89 low IQ response
Great insight thank you
Clouding the issue in the second half of this video when talking about how all ops had to be approved. Having approval for an op doesn’t signify what actually takes place on the op. It doesn’t implicitly explain away who is left dead on the floor of a target site, or why, when everyone withdraws. As a Marine sniper I will testify that there are so, so many times when NO ONE can see what a sniper can see through his optic, meaning that the person in the window 600m away can’t be seen by anyone but me. So, if I were to pull the trigger and call a hit, no one knows the status of the endexed target but me. It’s very easy to do things no one will know about in so many situations, even when you have other troops supporting your mission.
He keeps talking about people “in the know”. Yes, Jocko. A lot of us are in “the know” and not in the way you describe. We actually do know and we know how easy it was to do things that simply stayed in-house. You know it and so do we. For everything that someone happened to see indicators of things you guys are accused of, there is the iceberg of what isn’t seen. Facts, and true for any unit.
The things you do for free for people? You do it for free for marketing your brand. Naval Special Bookfare.
says the expert.
@@GodanHatamoto hey smart ass. To your point. It doesn’t take an expert. All it takes is someone who has actually been in combat to know the truth of these things. Not like you who is probably just a civilian fanboy acolyte who follows blindly out of cool guy worship.
Thanks for your insight, and professional opinion. It's obvious to many of us, and you articulated it perfectly for the general public.
The fact is a lot people are fucking pissed off about the truth coming out regarding Roberts Ridge, Operation Redwings and many other SEAL related cover ups. A small entity of SEAL leadership tried to completely distort and manipulate the truth on what happened in all these instances and it has deeply damaged the reputation of NSW. Now do I think Jocko is relevant to those events? No, and nor is he obligated to speak on them. Jocko can only speak to where he was in the specific time frame of the GWOT and the people he commanded in Iraq. A lot of people are trying to put all the NSW BS that has transpired over 20 years and putting it at the feet of Jocko because of his success as a public figure and his platform.
The only thing for me that I’m really not sure about is Chris Kyle. That dude flat out “bragged” about punching Jessie Ventura in the face and sniping looters from a sports stadium during the Katrina disaster. Among other things, that Antihero podcast and Green Beret Chronicles was not the 1st time Kyle has been accused of lying, exaggerating, beating his wife and killing unarmed civilians. IMO, Jocko absolutely is obligated to talk about him and the allegations. Jocko was not only in charge of Chris Kyle in TF Bruiser, but a lot of Jockos original fame came from that past relationship and the success of American Sniper. In that separate case, I would like to get some context from Jocko.
Chris Kyle's numbers are so outrageous (even compared to people doing the same job at the same time in the same place), mathematically he was either a liar everyone decided to profit from or his leaders decided to look the other way knowing fully he was a psycho willing to target anybody for any reason, including his own satisfaction.
If you have any question on Chris’s character then look at what he did after he got out. He helped physically and mentally wounded vets. Thats not the actions of someone who cared for nothing but his legacy and fortune. If any of this was true, Jocko and everyone else would still be in prison. Those on the different side of politics no way would not bite on that story for over 20 years because they goodness in their heart and didnt want to tarnish this country or its troops reputation? Yeah the truth is right there plain as day..
@@maverick744 .. And Chris was literally murdered by a “physically and mentally” wounded veteran. What’s your point? All disabled veterans are Saints and Chris is automatically exempt from any past wrong doing because he helped former vets?
I’m not saying Chris is guilty btw, just asking questions.
Chris Kyle is a certified liar!!
Well said in your original comment. I agree.
As Paul Harrell did, sometimes you need to speak up or some will think you give tacit approval to what was said.
Paul Fokken Harrell. 🤌
Please don't compare this tool to Paul Harrell!
I find it so ironic that the Navy Seal insignia (The "Trident") displays an eagle with a bowed head to show humility. To receive a trident is to enter into a contract of sorts. With the understanding that using your military experience to make a profit is not only despicable, but also runs a massiverisk to those still doing the job by revealing SOPs TTPs and general information pertaining to duty. Thes guys tarnish the reputation and should not be trusted.
Well said!
When fact checking, should I ref the same sources used for Lone Survivor or American Sniper? Time to put the extreme in extreme ownership my friend
EXTREMELY EXTREME.....I got a lump in my throat and my heart skipped when Eric said Marcus ran and when picked up had almost all his Ammo...Predator feed and Green Beret testimony.....Damn
@@richardclary6267 exactly man. Someone reposted the interview Luttrell did with Anderson Cooper when he calls himself a coward bc he put his gun down and covered his ears when his friend was dying calling him for help. Disgusting.
There’s so many allegations against the seals. It’s hard to be supportive especially with all the internal drama that has gone on within the teams over the years.
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@@richardclary6267 ive heard this before too. Multiple people came out about Luttrell's ammo. Major failure Op Redwings was.
This new green beret chronicles video has two marines on it. They are saying they saw task force unit bruiser kill civilians. One of them was an officer.
Neither one of them said they saw it. They said they were told that’s what happened.
@@lasteem1well you are a confirmed liar as Graham one of the marines clearly said he saw people being shot that shouldn't from the gov center
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@@TheIvanMilky what time stamp in the video did he say this?
@@lasteem1 You obviously haven't watched all of it and I'm not here to fill your empty head in either
Jocko allowed Chris Kyle to operate recklessly on the battlefield.
Joko is gonna delete your comment like he always does
Good
@@jayr3381 Yeah...the extreme ownership...of the comments section xD
Jocko is, at best, covering Kyle's crimes. At worst he's a serial war criminal.
Prove your claim don't just sling BS. Your comments are slander.
Is any one really surprised that Punisher Cartman has some Skeletons in his closet? Like seriously if your best defence is "murder is a crime, criminals are in jail and i'm not in jail" you got some screw lose
Hes guilty
You clearly don’t know crap about crap.
@@sapper3504 I know enough about crap to know when its coming out of your mouth or puts on a uniform
@@sapper3504 so tell us about youself?
It's par for the course. Not very surprising and I can't say it's "wrong."
Someone didn't like your RFK podcast...
Bet most of the slander makes it to big media, and none of the response does
BINGO!
@@t-spark nah, false allegations of this caliber are absolutely heinous and wouldn’t deserve the light of day with the media, they should know better at least than to try and blast something such as this knowing full well the repercussions they may face when they find out they were being mislead. At most, they’d be able to inform the public that allegations were made. Jocko is big enough and has earned enough respect with the public as a well known patriot for anyone to go along with this bs. And people in the comments who are trying to make him respond is so disgusting, it’s crazy to me. If something like this had the slightest possibility of being true, it’d be an absolute firestorm against him and more people saying the same thing, with actual hardcore evidence and investigations, but you heard Jocko. He takes extreme ownership, hence, there’s nothing for him to own up to. Personally, I think a defamation lawsuit against whoever is pushing this would be in order. No one should be able whimsically make claims such as these against a man of his stature.
I'm voting RFK Jr. I'm an Airborne infantryman with a CIB.
@@hounddog3476 congratulations on that honor, sir. Men like you are my heroes and I mean that. may God bless you and your family. Thank you for your service and sacrifice to our beautiful country. I know that term is thrown around quite a bit, but I truly mean that and will pray for you as well. May God bless the United States of America.
The only thing i got out of all this is the value of the silent professional.
Exactly. These guys want to yell and boast and make money off their service. A quiet Proffesion does not. The type of personality that has a podcast like this, is the type that would lie, cheat steal and do anything to get ahead.
Lol nothing silent about Jocko
Silent professionals only benefit the military and thw crimes they are covering up
I think it's fair to talk about things that happened almost two decades ago, at that point it's history and we should be studying it and reflecting on it.
I been reading and seeing reports about this. I’m been Waiting on this Response. My little brother served in Ramadi in 06 in the Army and we have spoke about this. It infuriates him that these accusations are being made Especially when there are some not here today to defend themselves against these heinous Attacks. I would like to personally thank Task Force Bruiser for bringing my Brother home. He told me that his unit came under heavy fire and had it not been for you and your team he and his unit would have suffered heavy casualties and that he might not of made it Home from that Deployment. Thank you so much Task Force Bruiser Rest in Peace to your Fallen Brethren! May they’re Memory forever Live on in your hearts and minds As well as the Patriotic Americans that honor them to this Day
What an impressive outcome. Glad he made it back.
This seems to somehow have been posted the moment this video was posted. Interesting.
@@renewed6250 and why are random words capitalized? also interesting
@@renewed6250 No it wasn't, it was posted at least 30 minutes after. Conspiratorial boomers, I swear.
@@sambo24-kc6zn Why are none of your words capitalized? Also interesting.
Whoever wrote the letter should be brought onto the podcast and given time to present their information and any evidence they have for whatever they are saying.
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He just did an interview
Lucky for you he recorded a podcast yesterday czcams.com/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/video.htmlsi=NZdOPcCt4mX7mQj6
He can’t because the SEALs “took care” of him
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@@ClaimClam The Marine India Company XO is now online 20 minutes, face to face with the camera, after this Jocko podcast with two other marines in leadership positions and they are all backing up his original letter with nothing to gain.
Here's how the grift works:
1.) Find and target high profile individuals.
2.) Make a CZcams video with wild accusations about that individual. Bonus points if you use clickbaity words in the title like "THE TRUTH", "the REAL story" or "EXPOSED".
3.) Deploy a few minions or use a burner account to go to other channels and direct people to your video.
4.) On your video, people will watch out of curiosity, click "like" or "dislike" and comment, which drives up engagement.
5.) Sit back and watch the money roll in from the clicks and ad revenue.
6.) Repeat steps 1-5 with a different target.
I'm quite familiar with this process because I've been on the receiving end of it. If you see one of these videos pop up, don't click, don't watch and don't engage. These people are trying to prey off of the success of others and are running a deeply cynical scam.
Appreciate the work that you do, Jocko.
>Chris Kyle lied about his military awards. When Jocko was questioned about it Jocko stated that Kyle deserved more recognition than he got. Jocko's approval of Kyle's stolen valor was recorded in the article "American Sniper Distorted Record Documents Show"
>Kyle was proven a liar in court by Jesse Ventura
>Luttrell's ambush was recorded on by Ahmad Shah's men. His story was proven completely false by the video record.
>Luttrell's story was further proved false by an Army Ranger named Nicholas Moore who was on the combat search and rescue mission that recovered the Red Wings Seals bodies. Luttrell was found with all his ammo and he was ambulatory.
>Rob O'Neill lied about killing Bin Laden. He was called about by another SEAL on the Bin Laden mission
You people DO NOT CARE ABOUT TRUTH. You care about MONEY!
@@LongFatJohnstonLET FREEDOM RING!!! History underground trying to ride jockos jock strap. You aligned with the wrong grifter traveler.
@@LongFatJohnstonthank you very much for bringing up the article. In the interest of a willingness to hear all sides, I went ahead and looked it up. Jocko's answer strikes me more as a non-answer than approval for the lying, and an attempt to avoid that minefield.
@@LongFatJohnston
Your channel name says it all. What creates people like you, McDonalds? I’m pretty sure it’s beer and McDonalds
XD
People like you are a joke. You already have your mind made up that you hate American soldiers and just look for any conspiracy to try and justify yourself. You literally claim that a Taliban propaganda video is more trustworthy than the fact checked truth. So you are either one of them or wish to be. Sad human being.
At this point the whole damn thing is impossible to make what’s true and what isn’t. The only constant in all this is there is definitely a problem with seals staying quiet to any extent
Jocko is covered in innocent blood. His own mouth got him into this mess he’s in. 2024 year of the truth
Personally I have no problem with seals talking about things that happened almost two decades ago, at that point it's history and we should be studying it and reflecting on it.
I want to thank Jocko for being forthcoming and clear on every point. I had a feeling after watching the videos mentioned that this was the kind of response that Jocko would put out. The accusing SEAL seemed to harbor a grudge and came off as disrespectful, and didn't even do research enough to get the name of Jocko's book on the subject right. Thank you, Jocko, for being leading by example in this situation and others, and always honoring your fallen brothers in word and deed. In this video, you did right by those brothers, and addressed the concerns affecting a wider audience that has benefited so much from your teachings over the years. This was a class act, sir, and appreciated. 🏴☠️
Oh yeah. The accuser called it extreme leadership. Ha! Then he kept stuttering , fumbling his words. and looking side to side. Saying stuff like “why would I lie”. Ah professional envy?
Huh? The seal doesn't hold a grudge against Jocko personally. Listen to the guy. He exposes a lot of seal secrets because he feels that HIS COMMUNITY has dropped the ball and the brand has forgotten and integrity and honor. Listen to him.
@@vsupreme9386 dropping the he ball is different that murdering women and children. Who is Jocko. Dennis quad on running man. lol
Is one million iraqi civilians died
but he did get people killed.
The easiest way to clear this up is for NCIS or FBI to investigate the whole deployment and let the chips land where they land, I saw they guys interview, and he sounded very credible. As a former SNCO (E9), if what the E8 said is true, the entire SEAL command should be worried along with yourself and others on TF Bruiser.
I'm hoping it isn't true because I like what you're putting out.
I recall the FBI being in Iraq investigating Marines, due to accusations of alleged murder squads running around the city … after months of investigation the FBI found that people die in war, and that no one is able to just move around the battlefield as they wish … many of the accusations being made would have to have been investigated … NCIS would have gotten notice if formal complaints were made
"Easiest way," come on now NCO, you forget how the military bureaucracy works? They won't admit to anything that could make them look bad unless someone has the actual video and its gone viral. I remember I got tasked with a 15-6 investigation over our service members burning some Korans. Yep, they burned them, I even included burned pages in my report. At the weekly briefing I watched, in awe, as the Colonel flatly told the General that "after a through investigation, I can assure you that no Korans were burned." That was paper, war crimes? No way any brass would touch this with a 32' pole.
I don’t think I’d trust ncis or fbi after what I’ve seen/heard come from both over these past few years.
You should hope for the truth and nothing less. Leave the bias
I wasn't there so not sure what to believe. The question that I have is "Why would this information be put out on the web if Task Unit Bruiser was all operating like hero's". If this is all about Player Hating someone is putting their nuts on the line. It is tough when you create a business and leadership company based upon a narrative that is in question. I hope that everything Jocko states is correct but damn it this leaves me with questions.
good for you, questioning is perfectly fine. We weren’t there, so its silly for anyone in these comments to fully take one side or the other.
@@josholdham1033many people were there though, and the actions of Kyle were pretty well documented
@@ashackatak normally I would agree, but SEALs and “well documented” is kind of a non sequitur these days. The command has swept a lot under the rug to protect the brand
If this leaves anyone with questions then try to remember that Jocko is very conservative.. if any of that BS had a smidge of truth it is not only safe to say he would have been sentenced to Life in prison.. the media would still be running those stories.. I don’t believe any of those lies that is clear to what the intent is..all these horrific accusations of war crimes and loose cannons were committed by highly decorated EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL Seals whose accolades are known all over the world.. must be a coincidence..I do find these accusations are laughable at best..
We stand by you and Task Unit Bruiser! As a fellow Ramadi Vet here, and no one has the right to spew that shame. Love you all.
✝️👊🇺🇲🙏
#RamadiBros #RamadiBrosForLife
##AlAnbarCollegeOfCounterTerrorismRamadiCampus0304
Ok captain hardass.
@@northsky5629He earned that, now take a seat you muppet
There’s been a lot of rumors going around regarding many influential figures such as Jocko. Much respect to him for essentially being the only one to address them.
He is part of a narrative dude
If someone spread rumors about me , i just detacth and know in my mind that i have the moral high ground. This is why it is so important to never compromise on or let anyone else compromise your morals and ethics , even in war..
Jocko. You need to lawyer up. In time this will be officially investigated....your words will be used accordingly.
The fact that you admit that you loan out weapons is evidence that you practice what you want to practice. no unit gives weapons to another without an extreme paper trail arrow documents, perhaps chain of custody putting it in someone’s green book
Where is the proof brother?
As a civilian who has never served in the military, I am so grateful to Jocko and the lessons he has shared from his experiences. My life has improved greatly since I discovered his podcast and books years ago. Thank you Jocko for showing us and helping to keep us on the path. Your service to this nation and all who have served is greatly appreciated. You all represent the best of what this Country has to offer and are an inspiration.
It's never a war crime the first time.
Jocko, remember in Musashi when Sasaki Kojiro put up all of those disparaging posters calling Musashi a coward around the town: the same exact thing is happening to you now, only with modern technology. Don’t give in, and know that we stand by you no matter what lies are fabricated to attack your character.
One of the difference is Jacko has to speak for the fallen who cannot speak for themselves
They're not calling his a coward but a liar
@@elpanchosancho2A liar cowers from truth and reality, does he not?
@J-gr4zn it's an allusion to some of his earlier podcasts about Masashi lol
@J-gr4zn It references a book. Miyamoto Musashi wrote The Book of Five Rings. Read it.
1) I was never in the military
2) My Father served in the Navy during WWII (LST-654)
3) Two of my brothers served (Army & AF)
4) Two of my Sons were/in the AF. One who had multiple deployments in Afghanistan & Iraq.
5) I had numerous acquaintances/friends who served in Vietnam, the Gulf War & the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq.
6) Thank you Jocko & to all the Men & Women who served with honor. You all are held in high esteem.
@@natel7382
Let's just say Life made some decisions for me that made it unwise to join.
@@danasmith3288 You're a goof if you join the military.
I really wonder if some of these allegations are starting because Jocko has started to get more vocal on political issues. As soon as good men get involved in politics you can be sure accusations and smears will come.
It would make sense.
Matthew Cole's book came out years ago. This isn't new. It's just people who don't read books are now seeing videos about it.
@@snowbear163I think you missed the point man, the videos weren’t out and just now happen to be surfacing. The book may have been written a while ago but the videos are new, they’re getting out because of a recent effort to stain Jockos good name. That’s the whole point of Jockos response, and this particular comment.
@@Lakota238 the allegations have been there for a long time. Matthew Cole has emails that Jocko wrote to people in his unit. They're in the book. The stuff about contracts and pay to play is new. But the stuff about his guys taking shots at anything that moves is documented.
shaiksy jakesy
As you can imagine, those videos hit my algorithm. Never clicked them, never questioned your integrity after hearing you speak for days worth hours. Carry on 👍👊🇺🇸🤘
Because you invested yourself soo much in a flesh and bone individual that now if you back track you will look like a chump. So you keep your head down and keep sipping the cool aid
Good call on not clicking on the videos. The reason that these types make these inflammatory videos is that they know that people will watch them and engage. When engagement goes up, CZcams directs more people to the video and they make more money.
Never be so dug in that you’re not open to new information, even Jocko would agree to that.
@@elpanchosancho2I watched the video and all I saw were clickbaiting angry has beens wanting to get their fame.
@@Nonamethankyou128solid point, and I recalibrate perspective often. Recent history/events demand honing my discernment, and filter input. Get good at it now, or be devoured by AI nonsense. Also, I will not feed a clickbait video, nor will I pollute my CZcams algorithm with the hate economy videos - there is an economy of hate watchers, especially around comedy podcasts, and it takes discipline to rid yourself of their junk-food-opinions.
It’s great that Jocko put this out. What an elegant and intelligent way to bust rumors.
Did you expect anything else? lol
As if he’d come out and admit it all on his own podcast. 😂
He talked shit for hours and didn't say a thing.
He literally didn't cover any of the specific allegations that have recently been presented. Just went into one of his gruff voice fallen hero talks. Basically said don't question anything that happened to the task unit because brave men were lost. It has been well covered in the last 5 years, through books, interviews, and legal cases, how dark the SEAL teams and SF became during the GWOT. Jocko saying it isn't even possible for special forces to go off the rails is pretty crazy considering the amount of allegations and public cases that have involved the SEAL community and special forces.
@@burnheretic3950he isnt saying those things can’t happen. If they did happen, we would have an Eddie Gallagher all over again.
@@emmanuelvalles9601 your living in a dream world but whatever bud. All the best
Jocko wanted to beat this guys ass so bad he went and wrote a 10 pg. paper about it 😂😂
He * did * major in English, after all... 🤣
So physical assault is ok?
@@LEODochartaigh Is life ruination and lying okay?
@@man11withaplan What lie was told?
@@LEODochartaigh No one physically assaulted anyone.
The two guys from the last video's comment section are now mysteriously quiet....
Because they knew they were wrong from the beginning
@@thomassells2356 Makes you wonder if they are disappointed that Jocko did not maliciously harm others. Make you wonder who are the monsters.
I got flack from some guys for simply saying that I wish Jocko would address the shit people were saying bc I respected him and wanted to hear his side of it before I had an opinion about it. They said I was riding his dick and everyone knows jockos a murdered and all this other dumb shit so I’ve been looking for them on here and.. crickets…
Hahaha YEPPP
I imagine they're quiet because it's only been 3 days. Jocko was quieter for longer before responding.
My pops was in nam the whole time. He told me on 4th of July, that he loved it. He was a warrior. He always took the high road. But he was deadly serious. To think that he had stones thrown at him for his actions. At the end of the day he would have done anything to bring home Americans.
You know its serious when Jocko starts quoting Shakespeare.
If the guy is lying sue him? Its that simple. This defamed you if its not true. Sue him and lets do a gathering of the actual facts. Thats what most public figures do when they are slandered
He can’t because the allegations are true
that would be very hard to do considering some of these ops are still classified. They would have to attempt to declassify them in order to file a lawsuit in civilian courts because right now its just "he said, she said".
@user-mr2do5vr1v that's not true at all. If you accuse someone of murdering people unjustly that Trumps any and all nonsense you are talking about. Even if they had to do a secret type of hearing to deal with it it needs to be dealt with one way or another.
@@OG-GHOST2 that is absolutely true what I said. Id love to see your sources
@@OG-GHOST2 "Classified information may need to be declassified or handled in a manner consistent with national security protocols to be admissible in court. This process would typically involve coordination between the litigants, their legal counsel, and relevant government agencies."
Glad you addressed this directly. I’m excited to listen to it
The reckless behaviour or war crimes during an operation are likely used later as blackmail to keep people quiet ?
What was your command relationship with 3/8? Were you attached, direct support, general support. Those words have meaning and would also tell us if any Lieutenant on the ground with 3/8 would be able to redirect you. If you were in support, you would probably be in support of the battalion and the battalion would direct you and you would probably have communications with an adjacent infantry platoon, but more than likely that platoon wasn’t directing you.
After hours and hours of listening, We know who you are sir. We hear the emotion in your voice. We are forever thankful for the hard earned lessons you teach us. Thank you Jocko.
You only know what’s being put out by someone. Unless you know him personally we know as much as is put out.
Hes not sleeping with you bro 😂
You have no F’ing clue who this guy is. What a ridiculous thing to say.
@drp1bb856 Even if you know someone personally...isn't that still all you know? What they put outwards?
Denis Rader comes to mind. Richard Kuklinski. Etc.
@@renewed6250 Too true.
Turns out that letter was real. Why don’t you have Eric Deming on your show?
Glad to hear your side of the story.
Information from anonymous sources usually carries little value. If a person tarnishes someone else's name, their name should be on the line as well.
Plus, tearing people down usually isn't done with good intentions.
God bless.
I want him to invite the fella on for a man to man.
Eric Deming and Green Beret Chronicles really showed themselves to be gossiping little girls. They shame their communities.
What are you talking about they brought facts.
Nope. Deming tried to use his chain of command, went outside of it and still nothing was done. Then he went public. Chris Kyle was a psychopath that beat his wife and was a habitual liar. Thats indisputable and I’m sorry it’s not like Jocko would ever admit he did ANYTHING wrong. I believe Deming about them killing the old man who was doing yard work and that causing a bunch of problems (rightfully so) killing an innocent person. He was advised to stop doing these stupid day patrols/raids and he ignored it. Reckless behavior and terrible leadership putting Kyle back out there to kill innocent civilians.
@@elpanchosancho2They brought second and third hand accounts. That’s called gossip. It scares me what your definition of facts is.
@@voodooviking1230 2 sources to verify the events he speaks of is a decent policy. Better than some.
@@elpanchosancho2that just got disproven… that old seal doesn’t even understand how easy it is to fact check
I'm not military. I'm not even American. British through and through. I've watched all these related podcasts for years. Instantly I knew this was nonsense. 🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸. Love to all those on the front lines.
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The problem is there is a different story from other military that did the job you're talking about. They didn't write books and aren't as famous but they have a very different story. It's not a new one. I was a boot drop to Graham in the above interview. I remember a lot of my senior Marines angry at this situation. Worth a look
I was no where near Ramadi. But those men who fought bleed and died over there are heros. I was on a ship but when we did see the T/U we held the most respect for them.
Jocko is being attacked by the crabs in the bucket. People trying to get a minute of fame by attacking someone who has actually built something useful. It's so easy to vandalize what others have PAINstakingly built. He and I could not be more politically opposed, but his message is as timeless as Zeno and Aurelius, and as contemporarily relevant as General Hackworth. As a veteran, teacher, and human being, I consider him to be one of my greatest mentors.
1. Navy Seal Chief
2. Green Beret
3. Green Beret
4. Marine XO
5.?
Jocko has a lot to answer to
"It couldn't happen", "it was not possible" -- isn't worth anything as defence. In fact, it is exactly what Ted Bundy said in his own defence. Just check it.
Just tell the truth man! You are harming the Teams, Navy and military. I am very familiar and retired USN. You just need to come clean. Practice what you preach and have some integrity…. Please! I was a HUMINT collector at the time in the AO. I am someone that hears all sides but know facts. I would really like to hear your response to some pointed questions even off line. Maybe you can change the point of reference I have on facts but that would take a lot. The more you dig in your heels on this the more people you hurt including multiple Gold Star Families. Eric Deming has nothing to gain but more to lose by telling the truth he has. He is doing what is right. I would really like some answers. No one loans serialized weapons out man. No unit wants to take on that burden. You are emotionally playing with folks by bringing up the angel flight. Like I said, please change my mind but that’s hard with the facts I know. What say you?
From a combat veteran that served at Firebase Gecko , Qandahar, Afghanistan .I'm sorry you had to explain this. However I'm glad you did. I got your six.
Jocko thank you for breaking this down very clearly so I can better understand the situation. It hurt to hear someone slandering you and members of your community because I have so much respect for all of you. I can only imagine how difficult it was for you to dig into this and all I can say is thank you for helping clear the air at least about your side of things. Thank you sir
All I need to know is what Eric Deming stands to gain from this besides intense heat and scrutiny. It dosnt make sense to me why someone would bring something like this down on themselves for a lie. Eric has no CZcams channel or any other way to make money off of talking about things he did in the military. I served 6 years in the military with multiple Iraq tours and I damn sure didn’t do it so I could talk about it on the internet and make money.
Eric deming is clearly telling the truth .....what has he got to gain? NOTHING! He's setting the record straight on these corrupt SEALS like this wink character who by the sounds of completely reinvented himself because of his poor leadership skills......
You're wasting your time here, you're talking to religious fanatics who worship at this guy's altar. You could show video and they wouldn't believe it.
@sj6404 isn't there drone video out now anyways.
@@sj6404I’m definitely starting to realize that lol
The US military, ESPECIALLY the SEAL community have built a long reputation of lies and spin to cover up their incompetence. From Red Wings to the Chris Kyle BS, they have earned scrutiny. This is why you dont idolize your heros. Very few people are what they appear to be.
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Looks like someone has some explaining to do. Supposedly the above link is from the Marines who are from the very units Jocko says DIDNT write any letters or have anything derogatory to say about Task Unit Bruiser. The Marine XO also gives his side of the story. What’s clear is someone is lying…
Has Jocko ever reviewed the code over country book?
Thanks Jocko, you're a force for good in the World. I used to hate my job, working in a Slate Quarry in North Wales, now I can't wait to get to work so I can listen to the Podcast, Thank you for making my life better, you're awesome 👍
As a Persian Gulf War Veteran that served aboard the USS Princeton CG-59, i find it absolutely abhorrent when individuals fabricate stories.. BZ Jocko for setting the record straight...
@@Blinky25256another great reply.. disgusting..
@@Blinky25256sounds like the other FG really wants to get attention because he cannot earn respect.
so the dominoes begin to fall...
This is a man who knows how to hold back, and only speak the truth to his enemies.
Solid response!
According to the 3/8 marines website. The 3rd battalion, 8th Marine regiment lost 17 kia during their 6 months in Ramadi. Not the 36 Marines lost that was being claimed by a Marine XO.
was that the only marine element in the task force? i have no idea im just curious
3/8 did 4 deployments over the course of the GWOT, 2 OIF 2 OEF. They lost 37 Marines TOTAL during the GWOT, 17 in Ramadi during ‘06.
There were other Marine Grunt Bns there overlapping this period for sure as Ramadi was a long fight, but this is 3/8 specific. The Bn Cmdr of 3/8 at the time just retired a few months ago as a 2 Star General.
that right there seems like a glaring fucking hole straight through Eric's story....
getting the KIA not just wrong but wrong by more than double is a huge discrepancy
@@payback_carteryou’re absolutely wrong. 3/8 deployed quite more than 4 times during GWOT. However 3/8 served in OEF a total 4 times not 2. On the 26th MEU in December 2001. November 2008 - May 2009. On the 26th MEU again from January 2011- May 2011 ( I served on this deployment). April 2012 - November 2012. Research your history please.
@@Lifechanging99999 Relax kid. I’m well aware that 3/8 pumped out a lot over the course of 20 years. I’m not saying that the MEU deployments don’t count or anything like that. I’m also aware that over the course of a MEU deployment, elements did go ashore and conduct limited scope operations in support of a named operation, and I’m not talking about those either.
For the purpose of this conversation, we are talking specifically about combat operations where Marines from 3/8 were (or weren’t) killed in action. So, I see how you could become confused when I said “During the GWOT” and take that to mean something else. The overall thread here is discussing how many Marines 3/8 lost during their 2006 deployment and I know for a fact, that 36 figure is incorrect. Which is the thrust of what I’m wanting to see corrected.
We need to stop grifters from passing blatant falsehoods that every time a Grunt Bn went Downrange we lost over a platoon of dudes KIA as a regular occurrence. I’m only aware of maybe one time a Bn took 30+ KIA and it wasn’t a Lejeune Bn. Just sayin’
I especially felt the part where you said” if you want to dig up dirt on me, go read my books…I’ve made mistakes…they’re in there”. You put them in there because you aren’t hiding from them. And that’s because a real man doesn’t doesn’t have to hide his mistakes. He acknowledges them and learns from them. Love your podcasts brother. Keep on keeping on.👍
He didn't just make mistakes. He wasn't a good leader. Jocko was 0-4 Lieutenant Commander for 5-6 years. Jocko's superior's didn't think highly of his ability to lead men in combat because they never gave him a combat command after he returned from Ramadi and he wasn't promoted.
So here's this guy claiming to be a "leadership expert" who couldn't reach 0-5 in a special operations unit. That's called extreme incompetence, not extreme ownership .
@@LongFatJohnston Your jealously is showing there ShortSkinnyJohnson
Long fat johnson is your handle. This tells us everything we need to know about you. Probly short in both ways and jealous of others success. What a tool.
So glad Jocko put this out. I like how he kept it respectful and did not say any names or podcasts. Jocko fashion of a true solid leader adressing the issue and taking the higher road.
He in a way is still serving his country the best he can
- aiding in training for military at no charge
- creating American companies utilizing American products. This is huge for our country and hope others follow suit.
Thank you Jocko!!
Keep promoting the GOOD and 430am's
Let’s keep it house, but let’s write books about everything… It would be nice to hear him just talk as opposed to reading it.
I was a new HM in Afghanistan (My first deployment, 1st of 3 tours there) during this time in Ramadi. I was hyped and excited for my first tour but I will never forget after we landed there was a ramp ceremony immediately after. I could see the toll it had on those soldiers faces. In that moment I knew this was for real. I quickly realized this was not a game.
ISAF/RC South had very specific ROEs. They were the same in 06’ & 08’ and didn’t change until Summer of 09’ (McChrystal) but I want to say that the Frogmen/EOD dudes had slightly different ROEs but it was not that vast.
One thing I have come to think about GWOT is I’m glad for everyone that made it back home and as for the bad guys > Fk’em
Same. I am about to hit my 20 and I’m happy to move on. It’s time to hang out with the wife and play sports with our boys. 🤙🏽
Thank you for standing tall for us. BZ
I'm impressed, thank you
What i don't understand is why so many "commenters" are apparant fake accounts? Especially when so many of the initial responses (and even some here) are obviously bots? That would imply someone is at minimum, invested on bringing Jocko down, no?
No. I saw the other video and came here to read the response. It is quite possible that a lot of this happened and Jocko didn't know because he was in the ivory tower. What I find amusing is so many cult followers here who can't have an open mind because they're so invested in the guy.
The only thing worse than false accusations is corruption. False accusations are an annoying hurt. But corruption 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘴 to be burned out wherever it is found, or at least, it must be attempted. So whatever happens... If these are false accusations I hope Jocko is cleared. And if it is evidence of corruption... Well, Jocko's gonna have a hell of a lot to own. Either way - let the truth win.
Thanks for all the content, path, discipline and motivation tools you provide. It has improved my life. Thats all i care about, all the other youtubers with negative comments are just noise
Glad that’s all you care about…😂
For a second I thought I’ve been waking up at 4am for nothing! Jay, who’s platform is green beret chronicles, needs to be dealt with.
Before or after Marcus and Rob O’Neill? How do you prioritize “dealing with” liars?
@@michaelr5606 Marcus and Rob I agree.
@@lifeabovetreeline are you serious
@@khadimkane5461 Marcus never fired a shot and ran. Left his team. Facts. Rob didn’t kill Osama also facts.
How do you know who is lying? @@michaelr5606
Jocko, with all due respect when I served with the Marines in 06, the buzz around was that your unit was reckless. Everybody knew it. The higher ups knew it. So saying that you were in charge, and there was no criminal investigation doesn’t mean that your unit didn’t kill civilians it was an open secret within the unit.
Cowboy that made everyone less safe. Especially Marines.
That may have been the buzz, but how was that substantiated?
@@MyNameIsJ3ffrey Well, it looks like some folks have come out and put their own reputation on the line to substantiate it. Now that both sides are out, I'm sure others will chime in.
@@MyNameIsJ3ffreytalk like that doesn't just come from nowhere. There are things you can't just speak up about in the military.
Same
It’s all about the money. It’s interesting how the Kyle story, the Who killed Bin Ladin Story, the Luttrell Story, the Jocko story, the Tillman initial coverup story all changed or are changing now. Is anyone listening to these people? Be careful listening to the “load people”. *Where are the quiet professionals? - that’s correct.
These advanced hit pieces on people like Jocko helping improve the mentality and culture of our young men and women are almost getting predictable.
Who else besides Jocko?
Dr. Andrew Huberman was recently the topic of a valueless hit piece. Based off a letter written by a scorned ex girlfriend.
that was about same time we had major attacks in Fallujah. pretty sure it was just a large scale effort, not some localized revenge attack.
Been looking forward to hearing your side. Thanks for posting a clear and concise response.
How did Eric Deming serve 27 years in the teams and not make Master Chief as a SEAL?
He did not get promoted by jockos boss and was forced out of the teams is what i read in an article. I dont know if it's sour grapes or what but deming was not there and thats what bothers me about his stories about all these seals. Sounds more like demings opinion to me.
He was in the teams for 20yrs. The first 7 years he was just in the regular Navy
Erics feelings got hurt now he's running down Jocko, marcus and Chris Kyle. He's an idiot that needs his ass kicked
I listened to Deming and thought this guy is nuts!! Old ass hole running his mouth!!
@@williammccusker8408 what bothers me the most is it makes our best soldiers look like dipshits to the rest of the world !! I feel seals selling their story is fine if you are not giving away seal tactics or anything like that and it HAS TO BE TRUE and able to back it up or its causing problems that for security reasons we dont need to know. It paints a bad image period on the very guys that do shit nobody else can!! Handle shit internally if there is anything to truely handle. 15 min of fame and some cash.......... nah
I know nothing of a letter. I saw a green beret podcast that had Eric Deming saying questionable things. Supposedly he was a seal? Or was he a marine? In my own mind it would be Epic for you to invite Eric into your studio and square up. America needs to see How warriors handle reality and overcome war...
By sitting across the table from each other and talking. War is awful. It should be avoided at whatever the costs may be.
From what I have gathered, in typical USMC fashion some Marines were getting their shit pushed in, had to call a real battlefield group to save them and afterwards concocted some BS about how it was the SEALS fault.
Typical Marine M.O. dating back to WW2.
@@onewarriornation602I do love how tough people talk behind the keyboard, and so often prove to be disappointing in real life. Keep that energy up for Marines you may meet in real, especially the ones who fought Ramada.
@@Zuke89 I've said it to plenty of Jarheads. Like usual, all talk zero balls.
@@onewarriornation602 😆😆😆😆😆 I am a Jarhead, so I know what it takes to get a Jarhead into fights, spoiler it doesn't take much. So you are full of it or you hang out outside of MCRD San Diego or Parris Island, or maybe even the Jacksonville Mall parking lot mean dogging all the new boots. I know for a fact if you did that with the real salt dogs you would've got at least one of them that will do more than just talk.
So keep that energy up for a real Ramada vet. And I don't mean one that's in the wheelchair, one that's still in good fighting shape. Keep that energy talker.
Will u go please take up the offer to go on a podcast with the accusers? They are giving you a open. Invite to have a conversation about these issues.? Will you please take them up on that offer? You have a much bigger platform than they do, you are a much bigger advantage than they are. If you debate them, never confront this issue head on, we will all wonder. Sincerely.
Thanks for putting out the fact, stats and information on this, it's a shame there are people out there trying to tear down the team. Thank you
You know as well as I do just because I rule of engagement is out there. Does that mean it doesn’t get violated and it does that mean that if someone violates that our week then they don’t try to potentially covered up as to not suffer any type of NJP. The crazy debacle with Gallagher of those seals had the same damn story
You are a rambling lunatic… Bro how many back to back comments are you going to leave without taking a breath. One post is crazier than the last.
@@Jewjitsu_ Nope he's just a man who knows what right looks like and can sniff out bullshit.
@@ericdeming7748 Please explain why the letter you read and the Marine officers interview were different. in the video, he stated that he had never personally witnessed anything! How can you call that a witness? Just because you have somebody make a statement doesn’t make it true they never saw anything. It’s all rumor and innuendo yet again. If this was such a moral dilemma, you would’ve come forward with it 20 years ago. Speaking of bullshit yours does not pass the test.
@@ericdeming7748 no response to my messages?
I don’t know about any of these other claims. I was in Baghdad (sadr city) around the same time and can absolutely attest that most of the claims are highly unlikely. Given the stated scrutiny all of us were under at the time.
The one thing I can confirm is the seals reluctance to communicate with the conventional forces in the area to deconflict the battle-space. The seals in sadr city were definitely some pre madonnas and it almost cost them their life at the end of a 25mm Bradley chain gun. Then they demanded we escorted them out of the area because we “compromised their hide site”. After they intentionally gave us the wrong grid coordinates after many many requests for it. But I don’t want to paint all seals with a brush because of one unit on one long night in a crazy environment.
Fyi it's primadonna not pre Madonna lol
@@EWORK08 lol I was using speech to text while driving. Didn’t even notice. That hilarious.
Crabs in a bucket Jocko, they always want to pull the ones that are on the rim back down and keep them in the bucket or climb over them to get out.
I've never commented on a you tube video in my life. But it is my sincere hope the rest of the green berat community stand up and call this guy out. For him to slander and attack other veterans will these despicable lies with the clear intent of trying to propup his own channel which bears the Green Berat name is a godamn shame and a disgrace to whole community.
How do you know its slanger? Maybe its true? Don't make up your mind based on your attraction to the personality.
If one or two people accuse you of something its one thing. When a hundred say the same thing, you're guilty. This guy is a murderer.
I was a squad/section leader in B 1/36 during that deployment. I saw that old grey haired dudes video trash talking and I hope you sue that dude for damages. You know it's funny how people go to extreme measures to trash others around them to try and deflect scrutiny off themselves. We had a Marine die on our rooftop the morning of the push across the river, 1st day in sector, and I promise it wasn't anyone's fault but his own for standing on a roof with snipers in the area. It was his own lack of self awareness that got him. We had 13 more months of things just like this that just happened. I hope that guy has to face you in court and defend his claims.
He wasn't wrong about Latrell or Red Wings. Makes Jocko a little sus.
@@doodahman2995there are 100 NSW support personnel and 32 TG that were on that deployment. Everyone of them will back up TUB.
@@doodahman2995I have to agree
How do you know? You must have been there🤫@doodahman2995
@@PatReid1775 in fact I was.
Aaaaaa! I was always listening to this podcast on Spotify, and trust me I didn't imagine Echo Charles like this😮
Well said Jocko and we appreciate you answering these false allegations with a clear and concise direct approach! DEFCOR
He didnt address anything...
I didn’t believe what I had heard, and I knew like the man he is that Jocko would address the issue and here we are. Love this man.
Gay
This entire accusations deal smells like smear campaign from the start.
Probably because you are getting too close to the target.
Keep up the great work!
Like Marcus? Oh wait that’s not a smear in the slightest. It smells like a smear campaign because your boy is getting hit. If it was someone you didn’t care about your smell might be different.
@@michaelr5606 If the accusers don't front any evidence, other then 1 letter that wasn't sign and the word of a guy that claims to be a SEAL? Nah bro, thats a low effort smear campaign until there is some substantial evidence. Multiple DOD reports and witnesses is required.
@@michaelr5606 There is a difference there - the e-word...evidence. There is plenty of evidence to show that Luttrell lied. Same with Kyle.
All that deming has presented is "I heard" and "someone said" and "everybody knows" and on 2 podcasts.
I agree it does not qualify as a smear campaign, because at least a real smear campaign is accompanied by "some" evidence then it is misconstrued. Here, you do not even get that.
With Jocko's first response video, I thought "hmm, maybe some truth to it", but with this one - each thing is directly addressed with facts.
Until deming can show some evidence, it is all girl talk.