Babylonian fingers on that Abraham Lincoln portrait? Jeffersonianism over Hamiltonianism. Centralization might as well be socialism, or the other word that starts with a c.
The more I learn about this, they all lied.They all stole, and they all murdered . Just one of them was the Lesser of the two. Kinda like what we see now. What has changed?
Could a completely rural United States have defended itself against highly industrialized powers like Britain, France, the Japanese Empire, Nazi Germany, etc.? Why did the Confederates intentionally set the South on a trajectory of heavy industrialization? The parlor debate between the “city” and the “country” was preempted by the menacing international realities that accompanied the Industrial Revolution.
I think you are missing the point. Jefferson was not against industry. He was against industry getting in bed with the government. You presume that a decentralized state could not defend itself against centralized states. Great Britain was defeated by the United States which was decentralized. I think if we look at WWII. The NAZI party was being financed by American and European corporations. GE provided money to the NAZI party. Standard Oil was providing tetrothanayl to the Luftwafte.
@@libertycoffeehouse3944 The Industrial Revolution was in its infancy in Jefferson’s time. I recommend against making him the ideological lodestar on the subject for that reason; he simply had no way of knowing that the industrialized powers would one day subjugate almost the entire planet in a very ruthless way. Maybe I should’ve made it clear that I was responding to the professor’s comments concerning urban and rural values. My point was that the Industrial Revolution made that particular debate irrelevant at the practical level. In other words, an agrarian society couldn’t have survived the two previous centuries as a sovereign entity. The Confederate government collaborated extensively with industry during the war. It even directly operated factories. Of course, the CSA was a voluntary union of sovereign states. I didn’t say anything about centralization and decentralization. Germany started industrializing in the 19th century. In fact, it had been in an arms race with Britain in the decades leading up to WW1. The Nazi regime had heavily to rely on that infrastructure. So much for any agrarian paradise that had the misfortune to border that state!
@@wpc9163 I appreciate your thoughtful response. Jefferson was not against industry. The Confederate States of America was not against industry either. It just simply was more agrarian and less developed than the north. The wealthy banking families have been financing these wars on both sides. A good book on this is Anthony Sutton's "Wall Street and Hitler." Jefferson did know that banking and industry would dominate. He feared this. His friend John Taylor of Caroline wrote "Tyranny Unmasked." This is about the banking faction seizing power.
@@libertycoffeehouse3944 What did they think the South should do to defend itself against that inevitable financial-industrial juggernaut? History teaches that its (the South’s) freedom and dignity depended on achieving parity with the most developed economies. Did they advocate industrialization and financial development through an alternative economic system? The Confederate government directly supported industrialization because of invasion by an industrialized power. In other words, they simply needed the manufactured products. There was no deeper ideological purpose. In any case, the antebellum South had a growing industrialist class (Let me recommend Harold S. Wilson’s book on Confederate industry.) Governments subsidized industrial development throughout the expansion of the Industrial Revolution. Professor Ha-Joon Chang (Cambridge University) has argued that they preached laissez-faire only at the point they achieved market supremacy
As much as I love Jeffersonian values, a simple reading of the CONstitution and both Jefferson's and Hamilton's Opinions on the Constitutionality of a National Bank reveals that Hamilton's liberal, Implied Powers doctrine FITS better the actual provisions of the CONstitution than Jerrerson's "Strict Constructional" doctrine. Thus, as Patrick Henry and others among the so-called "Antifederalist" would warn the REAL problem is with the CONstitution ITSELF. WE Southerners need to DITCH it and adopt a new constitution based more on the Articles of Confederation, prefaced with a Declaration of Rights and the Common Law.
I would disagree. A simple reading of the constitution would be in line with strict construction. The tenth amendment could make a person stoned see straight.
@@libertycoffeehouse3944 I recommend that you read BOTH Jefferson's and Hamilton's Opinions on the Constitutionality of a National Bank. Both can be found at the Yale online library Avalon Project
I LOVE these short foundational concept videos y'all are putting out!
Glad you like them!
Excellent description of a Nationalist in only 2 minutes.
Excellent video
Cain and Abel .
Big Brother .
Hmmm .
Babylonian fingers on that Abraham Lincoln portrait? Jeffersonianism over Hamiltonianism. Centralization might as well be socialism, or the other word that starts with a c.
The more I learn about this, they all lied.They all stole, and they all murdered . Just one of them was the Lesser of the two. Kinda like what we see now.
What has changed?
Could a completely rural United States have defended itself against highly industrialized powers like Britain, France, the Japanese Empire, Nazi Germany, etc.?
Why did the Confederates intentionally set the South on a trajectory of heavy industrialization?
The parlor debate between the “city” and the “country” was preempted by the menacing international realities that accompanied the Industrial Revolution.
I think you are missing the point. Jefferson was not against industry. He was against industry getting in bed with the government. You presume that a decentralized state could not defend itself against centralized states. Great Britain was defeated by the United States which was decentralized. I think if we look at WWII. The NAZI party was being financed by American and European corporations. GE provided money to the NAZI party. Standard Oil was providing tetrothanayl to the Luftwafte.
@@libertycoffeehouse3944 The Industrial Revolution was in its infancy in Jefferson’s time. I recommend against making him the ideological lodestar on the subject for that reason; he simply had no way of knowing that the industrialized powers would one day subjugate almost the entire planet in a very ruthless way.
Maybe I should’ve made it clear that I was responding to the professor’s comments concerning urban and rural values. My point was that the Industrial Revolution made that particular debate irrelevant at the practical level. In other words, an agrarian society couldn’t have survived the two previous centuries as a sovereign entity.
The Confederate government collaborated extensively with industry during the war. It even directly operated factories. Of course, the CSA was a voluntary union of sovereign states. I didn’t say anything about centralization and decentralization.
Germany started industrializing in the 19th century. In fact, it had been in an arms race with Britain in the decades leading up to WW1. The Nazi regime had heavily to rely on that infrastructure. So much for any agrarian paradise that had the misfortune to border that state!
you mean conquer them? defense against europe, good laugh
@@wpc9163 I appreciate your thoughtful response. Jefferson was not against industry. The Confederate States of America was not against industry either. It just simply was more agrarian and less developed than the north. The wealthy banking families have been financing these wars on both sides. A good book on this is Anthony Sutton's "Wall Street and Hitler." Jefferson did know that banking and industry would dominate. He feared this. His friend John Taylor of Caroline wrote "Tyranny Unmasked." This is about the banking faction seizing power.
@@libertycoffeehouse3944 What did they think the South should do to defend itself against that inevitable financial-industrial juggernaut? History teaches that its (the South’s) freedom and dignity depended on achieving parity with the most developed economies. Did they advocate industrialization and financial development through an alternative economic system?
The Confederate government directly supported industrialization because of invasion by an industrialized power. In other words, they simply needed the manufactured products. There was no deeper ideological purpose. In any case, the antebellum South had a growing industrialist class (Let me recommend Harold S. Wilson’s book on Confederate industry.)
Governments subsidized industrial development throughout the expansion of the Industrial Revolution. Professor Ha-Joon Chang (Cambridge University) has argued that they preached laissez-faire only at the point they achieved market supremacy
I love y’all and your work but describing the English Court faction as “liberals” is wildly out of touch with reality.
The “political scientist” guy is the only one who described them as liberals.
As much as I love Jeffersonian values, a simple reading of the CONstitution and both Jefferson's and Hamilton's Opinions on the Constitutionality of a National Bank reveals that Hamilton's liberal, Implied Powers doctrine FITS better the actual provisions of the CONstitution than Jerrerson's "Strict Constructional" doctrine. Thus, as Patrick Henry and others among the so-called "Antifederalist" would warn the REAL problem is with the CONstitution ITSELF. WE Southerners need to DITCH it and adopt a new constitution based more on the Articles of Confederation, prefaced with a Declaration of Rights and the Common Law.
I would disagree. A simple reading of the constitution would be in line with strict construction. The tenth amendment could make a person stoned see straight.
@@libertycoffeehouse3944 I recommend that you read BOTH Jefferson's and Hamilton's Opinions on the Constitutionality of a National Bank. Both can be found at the Yale online library Avalon Project
Couldn’t agree more. Thank you.