I don’t believe there isn’t a carryover to all types of training. Yea I won’t be doing 135 overhead presses at work but me training that has made it a lot easier to hold 50 pound duct in the air for installing. Same as squats. I might not squat 400 pounds at work but it has made me better at pushing heavy material carts around on uneven surfaces
Another point to add is if you meet any guy that’s been blue collar for 20+ years and never worked out, they are broken and have horrible muscular imbalances leading to injuries and pain. The guys that took the time to workout after work have longer healthier lives
@@michaelsatterfield7944 I can't argue that, plus diet has a huge impact on that yet I know 80 yr old farmers who have no problems with strength who still work. I can tell you more get hurt in the gym than on the job. I been blue collar almost 40 years and my imbalances came from the gym.
@johnnygrube the simple reality of it then is that you simply overdid the gym and did it wrong. If you have manual labour, you'll have to train way less and different also. But it's still a good idea, because of alot ot reasons. Maybe twice a week, squats and overhead press and deadlifts. 2 work sets each. That will just do a much better job at protecting your body. Because i also know a hell of alot of people that got injured and worn out from manual labour. From poor posture fx most often. And simply not strong enough in the big muscles. Its always a good idea to be extra strong in the big muscles
This is EXACTLY what I was saying when you asked me if I was “the best”. Be you know the answer to being “the best” is NOT doing any kind of weight training because little Johnny doesn’t approve (can’t handle) it. Such an authority on being “the best”.
two things a gym doesn't build like hard manual labor: grip strength ( there are exercises, but x reps for x sets is as good as nothing compared to holding big machines or heavy tools all day all week) and endurance ( a worday is 8-10 hours is not 20 second efforts followed by 2 minute rest for an hour). As for the fonctionnality of deadlifts, shoveling stuff into a wheelbarrow then wheeling it out calls for the exact same powerful hip hinge, grip/trap strength and back bracing, you could argue about wheelbarrow being squat/farmers walk (although personally squat does't apply, there's no room for the legs to bend forward/outward, the handles are in the way, it's straight legs, close to one another (the exact deadlift setup) so you can get your body between the handles, rather than facing them, the move where you bend down to grab the handles and lift up, as well as how you bend forward and use your back to get it over a ledge is 100% deadlift motions
I believe wholeheartedly that gym strength does translate to working a blue collar job. I work as a landscaper. I can with confidence say that becoming stronger and better at barbell, dumbbell, calisthenics (as well as conditioning) lifts that are all considering boydbuilding, powerlifting, or calisthenics movements has made my job easier. I see my peers around me always talking about how sore they are and all their blue collar life related injures and none of those individuals do really any sort of training outside of their job. Where as I train religiously and am almost never that sore from manual labor and have zero injures, and I work very hard. I am younger so I'm not ignorant that a lot of it has to do with age, but when I look at the few blue collar workers I know that did workout regularly, they are in VASTLY better physical standing and have been able to perform their job at a higher quality for longer. Now it is also worth noting that "gym strong" can mean so many different things, if you are only referring to squat bench and deadlift then yeah I agree, generally only training for those three lifts leaves you with horrrible conditioning and overall preparedness. BUT the vast majority of people I know who are "gym strong" (including myself) don't just squat bench and deadlift, they do pullups, chinups, leg press, walking lunge, sled pulls, sprints, etc etc. Thus I think it's important to define what you mean by "gym strong." I think the gym is a great tool to extend your longevity and quality in your manual labor career.
I 100% Agree on a lot of those points, but for blue collar workers strength training in the opposite movement patterns of the everyday workload can be very beneficial.
Manual labor jobs usually gets you injured, I was a roofer / demolition / everything that needs fixing, I was jacked up but f-up my lower back and knees, I actually came back to normal with gym training and regular exercises.
@@johnnygrube Not really, is not about weak or strength is years of injuries, wear and tear, labor intensive manual work are dangerous, you also have to add the high accident rates, when you’re working with machinery, heavy tools and fast pace heavy duty equipment, going up in ladders, oil slippery floors, is not if you might get hurt, you will get hurt, the gym is barbie house compared to to manual labor intensive jobs.
I disagree with the form issues. Whether in the gym or at home you should always be consistent with your usage of proper form. And weight training is functional training and will transfer strength to many angles that the body will be manipulated in.
There is no lifting rock form, or furniture form it doesn't work, your knees in the deadlift are over the bar, it's why the so called weight lifters hurt their backs moving a living room couch. No doubt another fooled by gym culture.
Morning Johnny - doing some concrete work (building a deck for a home with a walkout basement) Moved those 66lb bags of concrete down the hill about 50yds for ahout 40 rounds (were 40 bags of concrete) Great freaking workout, 66lbs at the gym feel like nothing but 66 pounds of concrete mix held in a zercher position felt way heavier and tougher Gonna grab 4 of these bags for my training Goal is to be lifting 2 bags on each shoulder (132lb on each shoulder so 264lb total) and walking a good 50yds with it, gonna be a fun goal to hit and crazy strength that’ll come on the way Blue collar strong
I worked in a saw sawmill for 3 yrs yes I squatted 350lbs alot I also shrank an inch in that time period. I tried to keep good form as possible but rail rd ties don't have a bar on them.
my 4 year younger brother is a blue collar worker. he place fences into the ground, the guy has a lot of grip strength... myself, i lift weights and did some fighting sports over the years, im fast and technical so most of the time he can not catch me. but if he does, and he grabs me.. i have no change, the sheer force he has in his arms and hands is brutal... its like he has hydraulics in his hands. ill take work class strenght all day everyday over those gym bro's when it comes to strength.
Its not really about being strong only. Manual labour does not progrssive overload which is a fundamental of strenght training. And its also different muscles used. Manual labour is more specific muscles used. And there's also a endurance component of manual labour
There would be no reason to train if you were just gonna do the exact same stuff as you do at work and with the same loads. Then you just work linger shifts instead... The purpose of becoming stronger is to be able to lift HEAVIER than you do at work. That way work feels a lot lighter. And then you do conditioning separately. This is what athletes have always done. They don't just play the full game over and over, it doesn't work. What you said about joint angles is correct though. Strength is joint angle specific. But if you need to lift 50b over head multiple times a day, surely getting to a 150lb press wouldn't hurt at all, because then you can just throw 50 without getting tired at all.
Dude, I push pressed 285 lbs over head and couldn't throw punches in the Toughman wearing 16oz gloves for 3 -1 minute rounds without gassing out. So I need to deadlift over 500 lbs and bench 400 lbs to do a job to make it easier? Come on.
@@johnnygrube Wow you were obviously very strong. Sounds more like a conditioning issue than a strength issue if you gassed out. So yeah you're right that most people are too much "gym bros" and don't have real fitness. But I wonder, if two people who practiced equal amounts of boxing and conditioning, would you rather get punched by the guy who only can push press 100 or the one that does close to 300? It's hard to believe that a bigger push press would just be useless. There is direct correlation between squats and short sprints also for example. It does seem to help.
@@oscarstenberg2745 been hit by a lot of men and the hardest I was ever hit was a truck driver who never went to the gym and was a natural arm wrestling monster.
@@oscarstenberg2745 and yes I gave up all conditioning for one rep strength. I only have so much time in a day with working lots of hours and training and family. Again this is how you learn, by making mistakes and adjusting them.
Mostly people don’t train themselves properly in the gym in the first place. Lots of guys I see will skip training muscles groups because it’s exhausting or for visual appeal. Their is also the difference in training muscles and tendons. What people call old man strength is mostly strong tendons.
Hi, as a white collar worker I understand we will never be as strong or durable as blue collar but could you make a video on how to train, how many days to train and what sort of workouts will help.
@ConservativeMD1 I try to stay in shape but I really want to get more conditioned. I've been following Johnny since I was 17 nearly 8 yrs now. He's played a pivotal role in my training and mentality almost like a father figure. Wish I had a parent like him haha. As he always says toughness builds winners 👊
@@Dolcesinnatural Body Building Vs Being Juiced and Unhealthy, Bad Artery Health And Bad Joints. Not shitting on Good physic But Should Never Come At The Expense Anyones Health.
Refreshing take on strength, thanks. I've "deadlifted" a dinghy full of water more than once, generally needs to be bailed until liggt enough to tip. Pretty sure, though, my work onboard longliners and my gym training both contributed to getting it done. Likewise, maybe spending a few days pruning with a pole saw early July wouldn't have been manageable at age 65 without the 50 years of gym training, especially overhead press and overhead squats. And I have on occasion waded while keeping a load dry overhead. I guess to me work and gym both feed each other. But only, of course, when and if both get done.
Saying you can simulate a manual labor job at home is equally as stupid as saying a 1 rep max Squat/deadlift/whatever is functional. If the only goal of your training is to be useful, strong, and healthy, then you absolutely should do cardio, carries, sled drags etc. BUT you should also work basic movements with full range of motion to keep your joints and tendons healthy. If you can Squat do with an external load on your back for reps, you'll have healthier hips than someone who can't. If you can put a bar overhead with good form and decent weight, you'll have healthier and stronger shoulders as well as upper back. I agree that lots of people only work the glamor muscles or their favorite strength movement, only to be surprised that their back spasmed picking up their phone. But it's an equally bad idea to only do "stimulated manual labor" neglecting the muscle groups that'll keep your joints and ligaments healthy.
I’m a tree climber and do all aspects of the job related to arboriculture. I deadlift, squat, bench press and military. It ALL helps exponentially in doing any task. To insist that doing these exercises would not help in doing any given task is total nonsense.
So you are the best tree climber? Has there ever been a better tree climber that didn't bench press? Explain how much you need to bench to be a quality tree climber? Give me the deadlift numbers you need to be world class? I have know hard-core lumberjacks that wouldn't step in a gym.
Needs to be said as much as possible. Too many men think that just going to the gym makes them a strong man’s man. Gym is good but it also depends what your goals at the gym are.
I don’t believe there isn’t a carryover to all types of training. Yea I won’t be doing 135 overhead presses at work but me training that has made it a lot easier to hold 50 pound duct in the air for installing. Same as squats. I might not squat 400 pounds at work but it has made me better at pushing heavy material carts around on uneven surfaces
Another point to add is if you meet any guy that’s been blue collar for 20+ years and never worked out, they are broken and have horrible muscular imbalances leading to injuries and pain. The guys that took the time to workout after work have longer healthier lives
@@michaelsatterfield7944 I can't argue that, plus diet has a huge impact on that yet I know 80 yr old farmers who have no problems with strength who still work.
I can tell you more get hurt in the gym than on the job.
I been blue collar almost 40 years and my imbalances came from the gym.
@johnnygrube the simple reality of it then is that you simply overdid the gym and did it wrong. If you have manual labour, you'll have to train way less and different also. But it's still a good idea, because of alot ot reasons.
Maybe twice a week, squats and overhead press and deadlifts. 2 work sets each. That will just do a much better job at protecting your body. Because i also know a hell of alot of people that got injured and worn out from manual labour. From poor posture fx most often. And simply not strong enough in the big muscles. Its always a good idea to be extra strong in the big muscles
This is EXACTLY what I was saying when you asked me if I was “the best”. Be you know the answer to being “the best” is NOT doing any kind of weight training because little Johnny doesn’t approve (can’t handle) it. Such an authority on being “the best”.
@@briankennedy1313 never ever said don't weight train.
two things a gym doesn't build like hard manual labor: grip strength ( there are exercises, but x reps for x sets is as good as nothing compared to holding big machines or heavy tools all day all week) and endurance ( a worday is 8-10 hours is not 20 second efforts followed by 2 minute rest for an hour). As for the fonctionnality of deadlifts, shoveling stuff into a wheelbarrow then wheeling it out calls for the exact same powerful hip hinge, grip/trap strength and back bracing, you could argue about wheelbarrow being squat/farmers walk (although personally squat does't apply, there's no room for the legs to bend forward/outward, the handles are in the way, it's straight legs, close to one another (the exact deadlift setup) so you can get your body between the handles, rather than facing them, the move where you bend down to grab the handles and lift up, as well as how you bend forward and use your back to get it over a ledge is 100% deadlift motions
yeah, a 40 year old man works for 15 or 10 years as a plumber or something similar.
They have natural immense strength
I believe wholeheartedly that gym strength does translate to working a blue collar job. I work as a landscaper. I can with confidence say that becoming stronger and better at barbell, dumbbell, calisthenics (as well as conditioning) lifts that are all considering boydbuilding, powerlifting, or calisthenics movements has made my job easier. I see my peers around me always talking about how sore they are and all their blue collar life related injures and none of those individuals do really any sort of training outside of their job. Where as I train religiously and am almost never that sore from manual labor and have zero injures, and I work very hard. I am younger so I'm not ignorant that a lot of it has to do with age, but when I look at the few blue collar workers I know that did workout regularly, they are in VASTLY better physical standing and have been able to perform their job at a higher quality for longer. Now it is also worth noting that "gym strong" can mean so many different things, if you are only referring to squat bench and deadlift then yeah I agree, generally only training for those three lifts leaves you with horrrible conditioning and overall preparedness. BUT the vast majority of people I know who are "gym strong" (including myself) don't just squat bench and deadlift, they do pullups, chinups, leg press, walking lunge, sled pulls, sprints, etc etc. Thus I think it's important to define what you mean by "gym strong." I think the gym is a great tool to extend your longevity and quality in your manual labor career.
It does I was a and still am a gym bro and work trades gym made everything easier....
I 100% Agree on a lot of those points, but for blue collar workers strength training in the opposite movement patterns of the everyday workload can be very beneficial.
Not arguing, I still train with weights.
Manual labor jobs usually gets you injured, I was a roofer / demolition / everything that needs fixing, I was jacked up but f-up my lower back
and knees, I actually came back to normal with gym training and regular exercises.
You must have been weak before you started a hard job like that.
@@johnnygrube Not really, is not about weak or strength is years of injuries, wear and tear, labor intensive manual work are dangerous, you also have to add the high accident rates, when you’re working with machinery, heavy tools and fast pace heavy duty equipment, going up in ladders, oil slippery floors, is not if you might get hurt, you will get hurt, the gym is barbie house compared to to manual labor intensive jobs.
I disagree with the form issues. Whether in the gym or at home you should always be consistent with your usage of proper form. And weight training is functional training and will transfer strength to many angles that the body will be manipulated in.
There is no lifting rock form, or furniture form it doesn't work, your knees in the deadlift are over the bar, it's why the so called weight lifters hurt their backs moving a living room couch.
No doubt another fooled by gym culture.
Deep squatting to pick up a couch is great
Deep squatting to pick up a rock is great as well
Morning Johnny - doing some concrete work (building a deck for a home with a walkout basement)
Moved those 66lb bags of concrete down the hill about 50yds for ahout 40 rounds (were 40 bags of concrete)
Great freaking workout, 66lbs at the gym feel like nothing but 66 pounds of concrete mix held in a zercher position felt way heavier and tougher
Gonna grab 4 of these bags for my training
Goal is to be lifting 2 bags on each shoulder (132lb on each shoulder so 264lb total) and walking a good 50yds with it, gonna be a fun goal to hit and crazy strength that’ll come on the way
Blue collar strong
Yup, great work for real world training.
I worked in a saw sawmill for 3 yrs yes I squatted 350lbs alot I also shrank an inch in that time period. I tried to keep good form as possible but rail rd ties don't have a bar on them.
And no RR ties don't have a bar.
my 4 year younger brother is a blue collar worker.
he place fences into the ground, the guy has a lot of grip strength...
myself, i lift weights and did some fighting sports over the years, im fast and technical so most of the time he can not catch me.
but if he does, and he grabs me.. i have no change, the sheer force he has in his arms and hands is brutal... its like he has hydraulics in his hands.
ill take work class strenght all day everyday over those gym bro's when it comes to strength.
Thanks for the comment.
Its not really about being strong only. Manual labour does not progrssive overload which is a fundamental of strenght training. And its also different muscles used.
Manual labour is more specific muscles used.
And there's also a endurance component of manual labour
Picking up a fat 190 pound wife is way more difficult than a 190 pound barbell.
Do you talk from experience?
Weight distribution
Depending on where the weight is on that woman determines how fun this would be. As long as it's in the chest, thighs and glutes, all good
There would be no reason to train if you were just gonna do the exact same stuff as you do at work and with the same loads. Then you just work linger shifts instead...
The purpose of becoming stronger is to be able to lift HEAVIER than you do at work. That way work feels a lot lighter. And then you do conditioning separately. This is what athletes have always done. They don't just play the full game over and over, it doesn't work.
What you said about joint angles is correct though. Strength is joint angle specific. But if you need to lift 50b over head multiple times a day, surely getting to a 150lb press wouldn't hurt at all, because then you can just throw 50 without getting tired at all.
Dude, I push pressed 285 lbs over head and couldn't throw punches in the Toughman wearing 16oz gloves for 3 -1 minute rounds without gassing out.
So I need to deadlift over 500 lbs and bench 400 lbs to do a job to make it easier?
Come on.
@@johnnygrube Wow you were obviously very strong. Sounds more like a conditioning issue than a strength issue if you gassed out. So yeah you're right that most people are too much "gym bros" and don't have real fitness.
But I wonder, if two people who practiced equal amounts of boxing and conditioning, would you rather get punched by the guy who only can push press 100 or the one that does close to 300? It's hard to believe that a bigger push press would just be useless.
There is direct correlation between squats and short sprints also for example. It does seem to help.
@@oscarstenberg2745 been hit by a lot of men and the hardest I was ever hit was a truck driver who never went to the gym and was a natural arm wrestling monster.
@@oscarstenberg2745 and yes I gave up all conditioning for one rep strength. I only have so much time in a day with working lots of hours and training and family. Again this is how you learn, by making mistakes and adjusting them.
Mostly people don’t train themselves properly in the gym in the first place. Lots of guys I see will skip training muscles groups because it’s exhausting or for visual appeal. Their is also the difference in training muscles and tendons. What people call old man strength is mostly strong tendons.
Old Man Strength Is real Strength, carry over strength.
Hi, as a white collar worker I understand we will never be as strong or durable as blue collar but could you make a video on how to train, how many days to train and what sort of workouts will help.
@ConservativeMD1 I try to stay in shape but I really want to get more conditioned. I've been following Johnny since I was 17 nearly 8 yrs now. He's played a pivotal role in my training and mentality almost like a father figure. Wish I had a parent like him haha. As he always says toughness builds winners 👊
@ConservativeMD1 Thanks man. Appreciate it 👍🏼
Don't sell yourself short
If you aren't putting heavier stress though your body at the gym than you do at work then why go?
Bodybuilding is for show, Blue Collar is for reality, and Doing what needs to be done.
That’s what people say when they can’t keep a proper diet and see differences in their physique
Blue collar strength can be for show too. There was a famous boxer who only trained doing manual labor around his farm.
@@Dolcesinnatural Body Building Vs Being Juiced and Unhealthy, Bad Artery Health And Bad Joints. Not shitting on Good physic But Should Never Come At The Expense Anyones Health.
@@arok.podcastI've done both, I'm significantly more durable as a blue collar worker
Refreshing take on strength, thanks.
I've "deadlifted" a dinghy full of water more than once, generally needs to be bailed until liggt enough to tip. Pretty sure, though, my work onboard longliners and my gym training both contributed to getting it done.
Likewise, maybe spending a few days pruning with a pole saw early July wouldn't have been manageable at age 65 without the 50 years of gym training, especially overhead press and overhead squats. And I have on occasion waded while keeping a load dry overhead.
I guess to me work and gym both feed each other. But only, of course, when and if both get done.
Yes, they will work together.
Saying you can simulate a manual labor job at home is equally as stupid as saying a 1 rep max Squat/deadlift/whatever is functional. If the only goal of your training is to be useful, strong, and healthy, then you absolutely should do cardio, carries, sled drags etc. BUT you should also work basic movements with full range of motion to keep your joints and tendons healthy. If you can Squat do with an external load on your back for reps, you'll have healthier hips than someone who can't. If you can put a bar overhead with good form and decent weight, you'll have healthier and stronger shoulders as well as upper back. I agree that lots of people only work the glamor muscles or their favorite strength movement, only to be surprised that their back spasmed picking up their phone. But it's an equally bad idea to only do "stimulated manual labor" neglecting the muscle groups that'll keep your joints and ligaments healthy.
I’m a tree climber and do all aspects of the job related to arboriculture. I deadlift, squat, bench press and military. It ALL helps exponentially in doing any task. To insist that doing these exercises would not help in doing any given task is total nonsense.
So you are the best tree climber? Has there ever been a better tree climber that didn't bench press? Explain how much you need to bench to be a quality tree climber? Give me the deadlift numbers you need to be world class?
I have know hard-core lumberjacks that wouldn't step in a gym.
African tree climber, I wonder what his bench press numbers are?
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How many times will you make the same video lol
Because there is so much more about the subject.
@@johnnygrube I know
Needs to be said as much as possible. Too many men think that just going to the gym makes them a strong man’s man. Gym is good but it also depends what your goals at the gym are.
@@Walkingadversity Yeah i agree
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