Releasing confidential data could harm Singapore's social compact: Tan See Leng
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Manpower Minister Tan See Leng has cautioned the opposition against asking for data in Parliament that could be used to stoke vitriol and harm Singapore's social compact. He was responding to the Leader of the Opposition Pritam Singh, who claimed that it's difficult to come up with alternative policies without access to official information. For instance, he said data was not shared during the 2021 debate on CECA, a free trade deal between India and Singapore.
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dont release means the people will draw their own adverse conclusion
So long as you r members of the Parliament ~ you should have equal access to data n information, irregardless of PAP or Opposition. This is ensure the rightful correctness role of the Opposition in our governmental system. (If PAP believes the role of Opposition in Singapore).
The security of these data n information can be applied equally n effectively amongst our elected officials irregardless of PAP or Opposition.
U r a elected servant of the people, equally as the Opposition. Your hinderance is against the wishes/rights of your people - Singaporeans.
so much for PAP's transparency and accountability........
The best not to vote for them. Plain and simple
@@saintclare2186 ......i woke up from PAPropaganda and brainwashing on my own at 15yo................when i found out SPH is a state-owned company............
TRANSPARENCY n ACCOUNTABILITY are NOT Synonymous with PAP
They seem to only tell you what they want,when they want that is in their favour. Singaporeans shld be properly informed to make our own conclusion
For years, the PAP has been changing the goal posts in order to distract people and avoid providing critical data. It is evident that Mr. Tan is quite adept at talking down to others and claiming superior intellectual abilities in understanding matters. This is reminiscent of what LKY did, suggesting that Singaporeans were not capable of independent thinking and should simply follow the government's lead. It is surprising that people still fall for this type of democracy and continue to be misled.
Tan See Leng should be voted out at the next general elections. Openness and transparency is the best policy. Singapore needs regime change.
It's a free trade deal.
The details cannot be harmful to anyone and secretive or shameful that it cannot be revealed.
TSL is a funny guy.
We don't have goods to exchange. So our exchange is allowing them to come in to work.
not funny but crafty
Perhaps Tan See Ling should have spent time working in many MNCs where Singaporeans are marginalized for senior roles by the very people locals are being accused of being xenophobic against and by many of the PR's that are lumped in as 'locals'. What is the level of the 'jobs created'? Surely locals are educated, experienced and worldly enough now to reject all these low-level scraps that are being 'created'
And they still push students for higher level studies. Or else lose money so many schools built. Selfish.
Separate pr and local. Pr not citizen.
Pap are the ones spreading falsehoods of the WP
His statement already humiliated intelligence of average Singaporean
An Indian man is asking for it but the chinese men are saying it will be racist😂
Why lump citizens and PR's together? How many PR's have been given last 20 years and how long have they actually stayed and worked in Singapore since?
Only Singapore do that…
As a member of parliament, you bear the responsibility of upholding democratic values and ensuring that all citizens, regardless of their political affiliation, have equal access to information and data. This is essential to maintain a proper balance of power between the ruling party and other elected representatives within our governmental system. It is imperative that the People's Action Party demonstrates a genuine commitment to respecting all voters and minority parties in Singapore by upholding fair elections and governance principles.
Furthermore, the security of information and data must be applied equally and effectively among all elected officials, without discrimination based on party affiliation. As an elected servant of the people, the government has a duty to ensure that representatives can access this information and must uphold the wishes and rights of all Singaporeans. Any hindrance to this principle is a disservice to the people and suggests a fear of revealing wrongdoing or mismanagement of power.
Therefore, it is crucial that you act with integrity and responsibility in carrying out your duties as a member of parliament. The PAP must demonstrate that it has nothing to hide and is willing to share data with all elected members of parliament in accordance with constitutional provisions. By doing so, you would demonstrate a commitment to democratic values and transparency, which would serve to enhance public trust in the government and the electoral process.
Speaker always interrupt psp mp, why?
Speaker from PAP, wants to prove his worth or lose it
Last time, he was a Missnister..
Therefore, the “Answer” is so clear, right?! No need to ask anymore…
Mr. Leong perhaps should rephrase the question… don’t use misplaced… How many Local Singaporean have benefited from those jobs created?!
Laughing at Mr Leong’s English?! Seriously?
Schools and degree topics again?! Monk hills must be a super “good” school?!
What I think Mr Leong really want to say is … so if a Singaporeans no job just get 3 more foreign talent and convert them. Tada lower employment rate! Next, how many of these converted actually really serve National service … This one … wah cannot laaaaa …
Everything confidential, until you loose the two third majority then you can tell?
This guy really got the bad guy vibes
yes, require the data to get to the bottom!....are Singaporeans displaced with so many & easy influx of foreigners that can become Singaporeans and reaped our jobs , benefits and houses!!
PAP hiding under this exccuse. Cmon, we want to know the truth what CECA treaty have help SG? Are our reserves parked mostly in India for PAP s use? CECA has help India brought in high number of PMETs. Go look at Changi Bus Park and Central area. Locals have been displaced by CECA treaty.
The fact Government dont dare to show raw data speak for itself. Singaporeans diligently serve National Service for decades and government open doors for foreigners to invade Singapore. What is this????
Well said.
A reason why Singapore's state reserve is secret is because some of the money is being used by some high ranking government officials for their own private use. When PAP is at risk of losing their simple majority in Parliament to form a government, they'll quickly pass tax hike to recoup any deficit stolen by those corrupt officials. This is the real reason why the GST is increasing at a much faster pace. Singaporeans must demand more transparency and accountability.
Is it Unofficial Leakage . .mayb benefit their kakis thus feathering own nest. But opp should press on. It is a deterrent if we keep asking. Now not so easy to hoodwink us like past 20 yrs
TSL has misunderstood LMW.
LMW has asked for data that is accurate and complete in order to do a proper research, not accept the figures that TSL has provided as the truth without proof.
But when research presented, might cause xenophobia
Besides employment is going up
TSL is very sarcastic to LMY…
You know why I say Mandate is Unwise?
As we recall;
Reference: MOM will resume entry approvals for work pass holders and their dependents with travel history to higher risk countries from 10 Aug. This was announced in the press release by the Ministry of Health on Friday evening (6 Aug).] After that we have mounting deaths, and cases shot up as high as over 3000 cases per day. If you look at the data and the graph from JHU CSSE COVID-19 Data, you can clearly see the peak begin from 20 Sept 21 and "SHARP" peaked on 11 Nov 21with 14 deaths on a 7 days average during that time.
How do you like the PAP showing you from 2020 Covid Years Data and tell you that the numbers were LOW?
Pap ceca agreement is to sell.singaporeans interest so that temasek.can d o businrss with INdIa. Pap are selling singapore to benefits the few. Pap cannot.provide evidence they are selling singaporeans interest.
TRANSPARENCY n ACCOUNTABILITY are NOT Synonymous with PAP
Don’t ask don’t tell everything will just be harmonious policy.
What is the point behind the question?
Singh gets it, Leong has an English comprehension problem
Majority of PAP voters are converted citizens, and majority of 3 gen Singaporeans who are Singaporean before 1999 voted opposition. The polls result should give a clue. Its 40:60 because LSL era really imported crazy number compared to LKY era.
A minister that don't believe in transparency. He can say whatever he like. How can a government that cannot show transparent be able run a country. We could be bankrupt and still going around spending like crazy.
This is obviously wrong. Time to make them listen. Vote zuper wisely
WE WANT THE DAMN DATA
Who you think you are...
This gov isn’t transparent at all like how they try to hide information from Singapore BS that they are transparent
Isn’t access to accurate and relevant data crucial for all MPs regardless of their political affiliation, so that they have the necessary information to make informed decisions and fulfill their responsibilities as elected representatives?
So what are the 2015, 2016 and all the yearly Numbers? These numbers are significance and are impacting on Singaporeans bread and butter issues.
Should we accept MIW to Cherry Pick numbers to misinform that the numbers were LOW?
We should be smarter and wiser in 2025.
That's what I say, Mandate is Unwise.
At least we need to split Singaporean (both born local or oversea), PR and Foreigner 3 group. But today with computerization there is also no reason why we can split into very details as computer software now can do wanders even just with Excel Sheet Apps.
Im not convince. Singapore lost his soul. No data no data no data. Funny
It's possible that Mr. Leong 'cannot understand minister Tan's overarching English'. Mr. Tan mispronounced the word 'overarching'. 2:40
No, in British English (the English Singapore follows), we say it both ways in arK-ing and arCh-ing. Both are fine.
Try to get your English right before you critise the English of others
@@dannyboy.0911 You've been taken for a ride by minister Tan.😁
Data withhold esp rgds employment of Sporeans and their future will hurt them more than withholding from them..
It gives opportunities to speculate on their careers and what the Govt not doing for them..
By not releasing data the harm is ten times more..
But employment go up so is there a need to release ?
maybe the truth is 100 times more damaging... but 10x is okay.
They oso missed out setting min pay for S passes. Singaporeans dont even have min pay. Yet alot of jobs went to FTs
The explanation provided by TSL for not releasing the data goes to show that the public's suspicions were reasonable, well deserved.
此地無銀三百兩.
Tan chuan jim is the worse speaker of the house. Most bias. agterall he is pap will choose to.wear different hat in appearance. 😂😂
Kelong lah.
tan chuan jin really very bad.... TSL never answer LMW queries but the speaker rush out to assist..... is he even the speaker of the parliament
Naturalised singaporean are still not true blue singaporean. That is what irk locals
In light of the challenges at hand and with a commitment to preserving their honourable legacy as the "Men in White," the following proposal outlines a framework that the PAP can embrace openly. By doing so, they can reaffirm their dedication to ethics and establish themselves as a trustworthy political party responsible for governing Singapore for years to come.
Introduction to The Merits of Asset Disclosure by Members of Parliament:
Asset disclosure plays a crucial role in fostering transparency, accountability, and public trust in the democratic process. Members of Parliament (MPs) hold positions of public responsibility and have a significant impact on policy-making and governance. As such, MPS need to disclose their assets to ensure the integrity of their actions and to mitigate conflicts of interest. So here outlines the clear merits of asset disclosure by MPs and emphasizes the benefits it brings to the legislative process and public perception.
Promoting Transparency:
Asset disclosure by MPs enhances transparency by allowing the public to gain insight into the financial interests and potential conflicts of interest of their elected representatives. It provides a clear picture of an MP's financial position and any potential financial relationships that may influence their decision-making process. Transparency strengthens public trust and confidence in the legislative process, fostering a healthier democratic environment.
Preventing and Addressing Conflicts of Interest:
Asset disclosure enables the identification and prevention of conflicts of interest. By openly disclosing their assets, MPs can identify situations where their personal financial interests may clash with their public duties. This disclosure mechanism empowers MPs to take proactive steps to mitigate any conflicts, such as recusing themselves from relevant discussions or decisions. Ultimately, this practice helps ensure that the decision-making process is fair, impartial, and in the best interest of the public.
Enhancing Accountability:
Asset disclosure acts as a powerful tool for holding MPs accountable. By making their financial interests public, MPs are subject to scrutiny from the media, civil society, and their constituents. This transparency serves as a deterrent to unethical or corrupt behaviour, as it creates an environment where MPs are more likely to act in the best interest of the public. Additionally, public disclosure of assets allows for effective monitoring and investigation of potential misconduct, ensuring that appropriate actions can be taken if necessary.
Strengthening Public Confidence:
Asset disclosure by MPs helps to build and maintain public confidence in the political system. When MPs voluntarily disclose their assets, it demonstrates their commitment to openness and ethical behaviour. Such transparency dispels suspicions of hidden agendas or undue influence, reassuring the public that their representatives are acting in their best interest. By proactively engaging in asset disclosure, MPs can bridge the trust deficit between the people and their elected officials, fostering a positive relationship and reinforcing democratic values.
Serving as a Role Model:
Asset disclosure sets an important example for other public officials, encouraging them to follow suit. When MPs lead by example and embrace asset disclosure as a fundamental principle of public service, it creates a domino effect that extends beyond the legislative sphere. This practice can inspire transparency reforms in other branches of government, further promoting integrity and accountability in public administration.
Conclusion:
Asset disclosure by MPs is essential for maintaining the integrity of the legislative process and ensuring public trust in democratic institutions. The merits of asset disclosure, including transparency, conflict prevention, enhanced accountability, strengthened public confidence, and setting a positive example, cannot be overstated. By implementing and enforcing robust asset disclosure policies, we can foster a political environment that upholds ethical standards, promotes good governance, and serves the public's best interests.
I have full confidence in the PAP and its capacity to demonstrate courage by effectively addressing the doubts of sceptics. I am a staunch supporter of the party and firmly believe that they have the potential to accomplish this by wholeheartedly committing to transparency and fully embracing their responsibilities as public servants devoted to serving the nation and its people with utmost openness. It is high time to move away from the strategy of relying on political supremacy and instead prioritize sincerity, honesty, and genuine dedication to serving the public with full disclosure.
One way that Leong could have phrased his question is to ask how many of the jobs created for SG Citizens + PR is from the Foreigners changing to PR? This can change the scope of the debate to not breaking down based on SG Citizen + Naturalised + PR, but instead the amount of new jobs being given to Locals. Aside from that, I do think that another way the Opposition can look into the issue is asking based on the duration of Unemployment of locals. If the increase in employment is due to the newly naturalised Citizens and PR, this means that the local born Singaporeans is stuck in Unemployment for a longer period of time. Given such a sensitive topic where PSP could easily be mistaken as xenophobic and racist, NCMP Leong can learn to be more tactical in questioning to elicit the truth.
I agree. Leong could always rephrase his question but the entire objective of this interrogation....err...i mean questioning is to seek the truth as to how many jobs goes to those who are truly locals ( of course bums now can classify new citizens as locals unless Leong choose to seperate them), PR and the various passes. Leong can even further questioned how many jobs goes to what NATIONALITIES, if they are foreigners and PR!
Tan See Leng have ALL THE BREAK DOWN AT THE CLICK OF HIS MOUSE....up to the smallest detail!
They will not reveal the truth, revealing the truth now or even better, close to election will guarantee them losing ,not only a few Single seat wards ,GRCs including Mr Tan following George Yeo foot steps too!😆😆😆
I agree, this is well said :)
Lies again? CDG Zig
I am rich so i am not bothered by CECA or foreigners benefiting from sg. As long as i am not affected, why do i bother? *Pragmatism* , ladies and gentlemen. Self Interest is always the Only Interest😅
Rubbish. The govt kept so much informantion from Singaporeans ie..Reserve.
They don't want to reveal the data only adds to the xenophobia.Leong Mun Wai is in parliament because they don't want to reveal and paint anyone who is asking questions in a negative light.
Tan See Leng who is parachute minister is also so rude to mention his English competency but at the same time wont make IELTS as a requirement for SG citizenship
this is worse than the previous
TSL needs to sort out his superiority complex instead of constantly questioning LMW's education background and English competency.
Yes confidential data should be protected.
Seems like a reasonable request
most clever man in the.cabinet..this PSP leong has no street wise mentallity..tallk too much.
.cheng bok wrong to bring him in..Dr. Chee anytime better.
Another attempted personal attack in "perhaps he might not understand my overarching english". But seriously, what is overarching english. Loll.
These are also questions asked by Singaporeans....thru WP!......so answer as u should be...no secrets in public service
Hidding is their pathetic desperate solution. Lets see how long they can hide.😂
We, the citizens of Singapore,
pledge ourselves as one united people,
regardless of race, language or religion,
to build a democratic society
based on justice and equality
so as to achieve happiness, prosperity
and progress for our nation.
This is the National Pledge if you have forgotten.
Read a few times lah, see whether do you feel cheated by the ruling elites.
Ha ha ha!
Low wage workers will forever live under poverty line,never be able to full full their full potential in life or dare to dream of getting marry and having children tough life indeed!😢😢please Increase PSA lashing foreign workers min wage $1500 give 🙏
If true 3500 HNWI is becoming citizens will it bring more harm to our residential and also our COE prices? Local bred singaporean is feeling the pinch due to increase of prices of both property and cars
Whatever info they dunt feel like releasing, they will say it will harm singapore lol
When the Members can't answer opposition points. It is not the Speaker job to answer on behalf of the member. This is what LMW need to be remind the Speaker.
the 12 man on the field..... if LMW voice out against the referee, referree will issue RED card to LMW.
Singaporeans want to know the figure. This is the feedback from the ground! Singaporeans did give you feedback, but you ignored it.
trust us bro
Hongkong Chief Executive is a shipping company director, he can’t command the respect of Hongkong people.
From this debate, it seems the minister just confirmed that data does reflect a concern between born n neutralised Singaporeans and others n that the former was disadvantaged??🤔🤭
Majority of their voters are converted citizens, and majority of 3 gen Singaporeans who are Singaporean before 1999 voted opposition. The polls result should give a clue. Its 40:60 because LSL era really imported crazy number compared to LKY era.
The logic about being cautious about releasing sensitive data makes sense. So it boils down to trust that giv will do the right thing, will govt release non-sensitive data that allows Opposition to make a compelling case that undermines Govt position?
If the gov position could NOT be undermined and they had been patriotic and committed to their citizens all the way thru out the decades, releasing such infor harms neithier social compact or whatever crap.
And for your information , more than a decade ago, I too knew the locals are already very compromised in the local job market with actual ground data gathered.
I will well advice you not to form opinion or otherwise ,just based on your gut feeling and mouth it off.
What's considered 'sensitive' and who decided that? Too patriarchal, don't you think to just decide whenever one feels like it?
Nothing should be confidential in Public Service....all Singaporeans must know why so many Singaporean are umemployed or displaced!!
Times up singapore 😅😅😅
Wouldn't not reporting the figures sow seeds of doubt and suspicion which not only segregates the society but fester distrust of the gov and its real agenda?
Employment is going up and theres is risk of xenophobia
Dont rls data likely means it shows the govt did not help the locals. That will be the conclusion. But it is better than release false data, how do u know it is true if pap tells u data shows all locals are employed n hv gd careers
@@torrhthc4103 2 possibilities, local > foreign, foreign > local. You dont need the data to try and find solution for the two possibilities. Might cause xenophobia when infact no favortism occured.
@@Mari_Selalu_Berbuat_Kebaikan no facts and data... how to propose alternatives.... what you are suggesting now is to assume..... and what xenophobia....stop toking nonsense like incumbent.
SINOPORE! Come on!!😅😊😊
Chinagadia...
Indian cleaners
WHY DID PAP LET THIS HAPPEN IN THE 1ST PLACE? 🤔
He is just like the Bloobox. Good For Nothing.
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😂 gosh zero transparency
Guys, you might not know this but by releasing these data over the years, other countries can calculate how many jobs can be effectively created by one foreign talent and what's the resulting gdp improvement which ends with what's the most effective ratio without doing the trial themselves....in essence, they can just copy our ratio and reap the benefits
Just release those data requested!
Not more data but the ability to think empirically. That has always been the Opposition's problem. Narrow-thinking creates unnecessary trouble.
You can think 'empirically' without data?? That's called fortune-telling. I suggest you think ' empirically' also
Let's always do alot of good 🙏
When they do not want to show the data, everything is confidential !
WP got to the point here....true fact is that many Singaporeans are displaced or even unemployed,,,why?? the Minister of Manpower is afraid to release date requested by WP as many Singaporean are treated unfairly when comes to Employment!!! WP dig further from the government ..every Singaporean need to know!!!
Singaporean Bo ji one la, election come still vote PAP la. Now I smart Liao ask my kids all go apply PR in another country, war come can run just run, cannot run just surrender, another politician take over to rule SG no difference la still need to work. Si mi SAF and NS wasting my time only.
This one damn good better than Indranee, we cannot named the 6 executives of KOM cos not meaningful.
Maybe TSL learnt from her?
Next ,see who got a better version than both of them!
In any case, those doing food delivery voted for it!😆😆😆😆
Haahahahahahaahaahah hiding something😂😂😂😂😂
Pap gov is all about protecting bosses, especially SME bosses which are staunch PAP supporters. Why do we need workfare if not for SME bosses to underpay workers? PAP gov is in effect subsidizing SME bosses to make money on the backs of Sg low wage workers. FT and FW are brought in depress Sg workers’ wages and keep us hungry so we can’t challenge the PAP. Whose policies weaken our social compact?? Whose policies are attracting hot monies to our shores, making Sg the Asian laundromat for all shades of monies?? Whose policies is driving up inflation, driving up already sky high property and COE prices??
😮
Compact kaput
Just VTO PAP ! Enough is enough !
Pappies 😂
Pap stand is fair competition, if the rival FT hv management support due to same village, then Singaporean lose. Cant attack private companies as we need the tax… singaporean just need to find another job
as a supporter of the govt, i don't see anything wrong with oppo MPs asking for the jobs data. you can refuse the request to disclose the data, but to anyhow suggest that there's malicious intent to undermine social compact or whatever just doesn't feel right. just tell it like it is: it is not to undermine social compact, why would oppos want to do that, but to make the govt look bad. that's what the govt thinks. these ppl always want to show that they're the good guys and the oppos are the bad guys. and i don't think singaporeans believe that.
Because they think this way and though everybody thinks the same.
Then you shouldn't be the supporter of the pap gahmen anymore lah
Pritam and faisal from WP should also release confidential data so that the police can carry out a thorough investigation into their lying cases. 👍👍
Singapore is tops in transparency and governance
No they don’t
They mislead Singaporeans
Cause gov got things to hide CRAP
Garbage COMMENT FROM A BLIND PAP SUPPORTER
Mr Tien Physics- transparency?? How g l c invested their money thats why our local Singaporean c p f money are kept delaying.
Opposition unreasonable
Does PSP even care about the sensitivity of the nature of the information he is asking for? Do PSP don't worry about the precious harmony that multiracial Singapore now enjoys? Is he, similar to a certain scoundrel in a neighborly society, seeking to stroke racial narrative and seek war or conflict, just to achieve a little political gain?