Round grain bin becomes affordable prairie-style home

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  • čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
  • Bob Quinn works farm radio, was raised by farmers and owns a small farm so it wasn’t such a leap to convert a grain bin into his retirement home. “Basically we wanted some living quarters. We looked at a log cabin, but I wanted to have it so it looked like it was part of the farm.”
    After reporting on the converted grain bin homes (dubbed “Safe T Homes”) that Iowa-based Sukup Manufacturing had sent to Haiti for earthquake victims, Quinn was sold on the idea. “They figured out how to put doors and windows in that grain bin and I decided, you know what, I’m going to do it on a bigger scale.”
    Quinn ordered a 36-feet-wide (20,000-bushel) grain bin to be delivered to his farm in Madison County. He and his wife, Ann, chose where to cut the doors and windows and where to lay the concrete foundation. After the grain bin workers had installed the concentric series of rings that make up the structure, the couple finished the job (with the help of plumbers, electricians, and their son-in-law www.coryandthec....
    With the exception of the doors and windows, from the outside, it looks like any other grain bin omnipresent on midwestern farms. On the inside, the couple chose not to erect walls and to leave it looking as if you’d stepped inside an empty bin.
    To provide space for insulation, they added a second roof and a second skin (made from corrugated roofing material). The interior is decorated true to the genre: the kitchen is a recycled farm kitchen; the bathroom is hidden behind a sliding barn door and the balcony railings are hog panels.
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Komentáře • 248

  • @DarkLinkAD
    @DarkLinkAD Před 7 lety +21

    I love it, keep it simple. When your old, the less to fix, the better. This is as basic and maintenance free as it gets.

  • @MattSiegel
    @MattSiegel Před 7 lety +30

    i love bob's enthusiasm for grain bins. i feel like i've learned quite a bit about corn storage :D

  • @willywhite492
    @willywhite492 Před 7 lety +8

    We had a homeless family living in a grain bin. As we were giving them donated food and clothing we got to know them. Eventually their circumstances made the local paper and they were moved to a house. But I was always enamored by the idea of converting a grain bin into a livable house.

  • @chrisk8187
    @chrisk8187 Před 5 lety +4

    BRILLIANT!
    I designed a two "story" home that was under a "farm" ribbed steel paneled arch that was created to cover farm implements, hay bales, livestock etc. often placed next to silos.
    The lot was purchased, surveyed, perk tested, well located, gas/electric lines determined and the house was staked out. We were ready to go. Then my wife had a seizure and diagnosed with a brain tumor. That changed our options and plans for the future.
    I really like what this guy did, I would head in his direction if I were able to do it now.
    Thanks for your out of the box thinking!

  • @veganschmegan
    @veganschmegan Před 7 lety +10

    This is almost exactly what I want to build (except we want much larger windows). So beautiful left wide open on the inside. Love the insulation. Love the open space. Great job. Excellent video -- thank you for the inspiration.

  • @Gudsur
    @Gudsur Před 7 lety +13

    I would've done the interior and exterior completely different, but the thought of what you can do with all that room is inspiring. I don't need a place that big, but to get a silo for 7-8k... I'd jump at it in a heartbeat if I could.

  • @jasonmccall3950
    @jasonmccall3950 Před 7 lety +8

    I love the seatbelt moment at the beginning. True farmer there. Dad and Grandpa do the same thing every time when going to check the sheep at what we call the other place (an old farm that's now just a couple barns)

    • @ayitsyaboi
      @ayitsyaboi Před 7 lety +1

      Every farmer I know (I know a lot - I live in Indiana) does the same thing. You're right it's probably not just a farmer thing, but it holds true in my experience at least. My dad was the same way. Owned a truck that pre-dated seatbelt laws so it was grandfathered in and we never had to wear them, so transitioning that into something more modern yields the same result. The stubborn grunt as the seatbelt chime dings over and over again.

  • @michaeldianem9259
    @michaeldianem9259 Před 7 lety +6

    This is the best yet as far as unusual livable habitats. Absolutely genuine and creatively beautiful. Everything about it is a delight to see. This man's an innovator. Thanks for sharing.

  • @acmulhern
    @acmulhern Před 7 lety +6

    This is so nice to see. This man is very knowledgeable and passionate about farming, so much so that he's used all of these technologies and reinvented them into a place for him and his family to live in. Incredibly interesting technologies and systems. Thanks for sharing, this was very interesting.

    • @timnewman1172
      @timnewman1172 Před 3 lety

      Bob was a long time farm broadcaster on WHO radio in Des Moines...

  • @addressedtokill
    @addressedtokill Před 7 lety +7

    I was glad to see it was two concentric bins with insulation binding them- not sure an empty monocoque structure would be very safe to live in- hit the wall too hard and it could crumple, corrugation or not. Very cool to see a house being built from the top down, and kudos to their design aesthetic: Yurt Deco anyone? ;)

  • @kellykeith7129
    @kellykeith7129 Před 7 lety +12

    What great place and no fire can burn it down.

  • @Frisenette
    @Frisenette Před 7 lety +17

    That is one thermodynamically sound building. They would be able to improve acoustics and light reflection by hanging huge pieces of cloth along all the walls and ceiling.
    Also make an oculus in the point of the dome. That would improve indoor lighting a great deal.

    • @illyias
      @illyias Před 7 lety +1

      Cloth on the walls might look super dope, yeah! Much better than the fucking metal he's got now lol

    • @jonziemann6548
      @jonziemann6548 Před 2 lety

      Good info brutha

  • @77Tadams
    @77Tadams Před 7 lety +5

    I love it. It could use a designer on the inside to furnish it...but other than that...awesome! I love it!

  • @kelli3610
    @kelli3610 Před 7 lety +9

    Kirsten I love all your videos so many amazing homes
    Thank you

  • @BowenOrg
    @BowenOrg Před rokem +1

    Bob, I don't want to preserved for 100 years in the grain bin (ha! ha!) but I do want to live in a grain bin!
    Great job on your conversion!
    PS: I know you're aware of this already but, you can still "cut" windows into the top of the grain bin, just contact an engineer and get some "numbers crunched" for safety reasons, then contact a local contractor with a tall "lift" aka crane and have them cut out the windows and then install them for the extra light!
    Cost?
    Now that's the true question because it's not going to be cheap to hire a contractor with a tall lift or crane and then install the windows! That being said, it would add a lot more light.... and more value to the home later on if you sell.
    Mr. & Mrs. Brad Bowen
    Retired, Veteran
    San Diego

  • @kayrobbie5840
    @kayrobbie5840 Před 2 lety

    This is so incredible. Especially transporting to people who really need housing in poor countries. Wonderful!!!

  • @PrettyMuchJenny
    @PrettyMuchJenny Před 7 lety +5

    I love that they used grain bin materials on the inside. Made it totally unique and fun!

  • @Coronakenify
    @Coronakenify Před 7 lety +36

    I would love to listen to music in this home.

  • @gorillaguerillaDK
    @gorillaguerillaDK Před 7 lety +10

    I love it - although I probably would have preferred having a bit more walls!
    And it's so "country" in every aspect - it's so original...
    Personally I would probably go in a different direction with the interior but that's just a matter of taste, I still love the idea!

    • @recoveringsoul755
      @recoveringsoul755 Před 2 lety +1

      You could put in Interior walls to get that flat wall and divide the area more, like they do with Yurts. Not sure they ever said how much square footage it was. A larger window, or several small windows adjacent to each other would have been nice for a view. And I think most building codes require egress from sleeping areas in case of fire. Though it looks non-flammable from the outside

    • @gorillaguerillaDK
      @gorillaguerillaDK Před 2 lety +1

      @@recoveringsoul755
      Yes, and I love your idea with multiple windows, in an offset pattern, and perhaps a big one as well.
      A great way to play with how the light enters the building!

    • @recoveringsoul755
      @recoveringsoul755 Před 2 lety

      @@gorillaguerillaDK another comment said they could put a deck all the way around the second floor, that would be spectacular, and add external stairs up to the deck, could serve as fire escape too. Not sure how it would attach but sounds cool.

  • @cam_DA_Hawkdriver
    @cam_DA_Hawkdriver Před 4 lety +2

    Actually you push air through the bottom of the floor up which helps to dry the grain from the bottom up. Nice structure. I would make it look like a house inside though. It would be odd looking at metal all the time.

  • @donaldblankenship7541
    @donaldblankenship7541 Před 6 lety

    Spectacular. There was a company that used to put one of those up every summer in Delaware, Ohio. The rest of the year, in 1960, I missed it. They let me come inside in the summer one day when I was 3. That's IT!

  • @VintageTexas59
    @VintageTexas59 Před 7 lety +3

    Very creative, never thought someone could live in a grain bin until now.

  • @RamblinAround
    @RamblinAround Před 7 lety +14

    It's really cool, just needs some bigger windows to take advantage of the views.

  • @mr.morris2907
    @mr.morris2907 Před 6 lety +1

    He built a giant, metal Yurt...LOVE IT
    ...Also you have to take a shot every time he says "grain bin" lol

  • @gentelbenn62
    @gentelbenn62 Před 7 lety +1

    Like it a lot! Practical no need for flat walls. Underground domes are close to same concept. Hope grounding is thought out.

  • @davidcook6420
    @davidcook6420 Před 2 lety

    I love the house. It has a great floor plan. The windows are placed just right. I think it's as nice as a dome home which I love. Unlike potential. Great job on the house. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ALCRAN2010
    @ALCRAN2010 Před 7 lety +2

    In skyscraper condos, bare cement is considered luxurious. I can totally appreciate the the steel in this home as sort of art-deco style. The ending should have included a short tune played on that piano. Totally curious how it sounds like, at night, with the disco ball effect. Lol

  • @debbieboring3422
    @debbieboring3422 Před 5 lety

    This is one of the more unique home. I think it's kinda cool. Lots of room. Thanks

  • @diedrapayne6202
    @diedrapayne6202 Před 4 lety

    Of course the bedroom(s) upstairs can be "walled in" by beautiful large bookcases and rugs placed on the framed floors. Then, and ONLY THEN, I will move in! Lol. What a gorgeous and exciting place! I love it.

  • @shaunna6673
    @shaunna6673 Před rokem +1

    A grain bin would be cool to make a house of.

  • @brellynmuldoon8642
    @brellynmuldoon8642 Před 7 lety +1

    Just took a look at Sukups safe T home, the ones they sent to Haiti, quite impressive.

  • @AndrewKumler
    @AndrewKumler Před 7 lety +3

    I really like the way you shoot and edit your videos. Thanks for sharing.

  • @anastasiarenaud2568
    @anastasiarenaud2568 Před 7 lety +2

    Very interesting guy. Thanks for this video and tour Kirsten.

  • @debbieomi
    @debbieomi Před 7 lety +3

    What a character he is!!

  • @rachelgrinnell
    @rachelgrinnell Před 7 lety +65

    I've heard the words grain bin enough to last a lifetime.

    • @rhart367
      @rhart367 Před 7 lety +4

      Rachel Grinnell 🗣📢GRAIN BIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @gorillaguerillaDK
      @gorillaguerillaDK Před 7 lety +3

      Grinnell bin... 😉😜

    • @6969smurfy
      @6969smurfy Před 5 lety +1

      I refer mine as a Silo. Had this discussion with many a farmers. If it's taller than it is wide than it can be called a silo.

  • @Tinker1837
    @Tinker1837 Před 7 lety +5

    Really interesting, been wanting to see a walk thru of this style improvised home. Great to hear the insight behind his decisions in the build process to keep it within the old functions of a bin!

  • @thecynthiadouglas
    @thecynthiadouglas Před 7 lety

    I love Madison County! It's a little slice of heaven.

  • @timnewman1172
    @timnewman1172 Před 3 lety +1

    When we sold off my Dad's bins a few years ago, I seriously considered keeping one to make into a home...

  • @sportlol
    @sportlol Před 7 lety +87

    needs muuuuuuch bigger windows

    • @theL4Y3R
      @theL4Y3R Před 7 lety +18

      i would put them evvvverywhere

    • @Harley04
      @Harley04 Před 7 lety +6

      I think the curve is the limiting factor!

    • @Betazeno
      @Betazeno Před 7 lety +3

      sportlol At least change the front door into a French door.

    • @Betazeno
      @Betazeno Před 7 lety

      Also if they can put that big door in there they could have put big windows. It will just be sticking out a lot on the sides.

    • @condew6103
      @condew6103 Před 7 lety +2

      I'd just supplement the grain bin house with a greenhouse sun room.

  • @twothenthrough
    @twothenthrough Před rokem

    I love the idea. Zero exterior maintenance. Wind strong, fireproof, but I'd have put some nice pine tongue and groove planks on the walls with some Thermax behind it, and tile or hardwood floors. I'd also have a small wood burning fireplace and a lot more windows. Plus, the second floor would be bigger with 2 sets of stairs. A regular one like he has and one spiral in the middle. Plus, a walk out deck from the second floor with another set of stairs.

  • @jcleff2000
    @jcleff2000 Před 7 lety +5

    Have a drink every time he says 'grain bin.'

    • @nycete
      @nycete Před 6 lety

      >currently destroyed

  • @jpdunamislodge
    @jpdunamislodge Před 7 měsíci

    So glad that you guys feed the big deer so well 👍🏻.

  • @maurolimaok
    @maurolimaok Před 2 lety

    Beutiful concept. Even in a place like Brazil, so hot, the two roofs idea, I was just thinkin on that. It coul be, even, a top floor Gazebo, with a great view. That´s Dr. Who's house concept.

  • @AwwwPishhh
    @AwwwPishhh Před 7 lety +2

    I love people doing things their own way. Wish he had mylar sheets and all the furniture covered in aluminium duct tape to complete the look. Or all soft furnishings knitted from thick bright yellow wool. I am gigantic-ly green with envy.

  • @denisepresnell2800
    @denisepresnell2800 Před 2 lety

    Grew up in Nebraska - I love it. I can see this working for a studio/home for me.

  • @MJorgy5
    @MJorgy5 Před 7 lety

    This building would make a 'green' home blush. I would have to add a concert-type light machine or projector to play off the walls and ceilings for times when the bar is hopping.

  • @wordup1944
    @wordup1944 Před 4 lety

    Americans are such positive nice people

  • @johnepperson8867
    @johnepperson8867 Před 7 lety

    Such a beautiful & peaceful place.

  • @stephanprotzen6030
    @stephanprotzen6030 Před 2 lety

    I’m very interested in grain bin homes so I enjoyed learning here. Instead of a curtain I would remove the shed light and go with a dark sky concept.

  • @jeffbingaman2754
    @jeffbingaman2754 Před 7 lety

    Could have built a deck/patio under the roof and them just insulated under the patio floor. That would have made an awesome upper deck. What a view it could have been
    With a great roof
    And pneumatics should have been installed to open doors and do other things.
    It looks like he has enough of a lip on the slab to lay some bricks around the bottom. Use bricks from a brick silo.
    And could have put floating rooms with sway bridges like crown center in Kansas city.

  • @zoidberg8433
    @zoidberg8433 Před 4 lety

    A home is where you make it. Good job guys

  • @3rty7
    @3rty7 Před 7 lety +48

    it has a tonne of potential if he had of let an architect and interior designer loose on it.

    • @Harley04
      @Harley04 Před 7 lety +8

      Yes, could have divided the space into actual rooms

    • @jefferylivingston1991
      @jefferylivingston1991 Před 7 lety +6

      Yes"" thats what i was thinking! They could have done more with the interior space!! May be i looked at to many HGTV home improvement shows< LOL

    • @HaikuAutomation
      @HaikuAutomation Před 5 lety +1

      Its pretty boring stuff actually. 7K + 7K+ again, and concrete slab 7-8K, electicity, fixtures, square feet (is not 1500 on the main), zoned, grain bin some nut is living in it... So good for him, pro unincorporated.!!!!

  • @michelleisonfire3636
    @michelleisonfire3636 Před 2 lety

    Love the educational aspect of this. Love it's a grain bin it should look like one. lol....

  • @godthoughts4Ume
    @godthoughts4Ume Před rokem

    Beautiful, Love It!🤩

  • @2HRTS1LOVE
    @2HRTS1LOVE Před 7 lety +1

    A little grain bin goes a long way. You could really make a place like this very comfy and beautiful--this reminds me more of a garage than anything. But with some old barn wood accent walls, some wood floors, maybe some carpet or more/bigger rugs. This is a little TOO industrial for me. I like my home to be...homey. This could be awesome, but hey, if they like it, it's their house.

  • @KungFuChess
    @KungFuChess Před 7 lety +2

    A circular deck would be nice.

  • @juandenz2008
    @juandenz2008 Před 7 lety +2

    Definitely an interesting build !

  • @dillipphunbar7924
    @dillipphunbar7924 Před 7 lety +5

    love it...would have window and solar panels comprising most of ceiling with a 360 degree external balcony at bedroom level for wonderful vistas and practical servicing of roof panels and windows...but everything can be improved with hindsight.....lovely home..thank you for letting us in....btw the bar and piano are a nice touch,,,what are the acoustics like?

    • @recoveringsoul755
      @recoveringsoul755 Před 2 lety

      And stairs outside are still a good idea for egress in case of fire

  • @michellemarie1197
    @michellemarie1197 Před 4 lety +1

    This place must be super efficient with heating and AC, would be cool to turn it into maybe an on property bar or something

  • @somedude-lc5dy
    @somedude-lc5dy Před 2 lety

    guy standing inside a grain bin: "you feel like you're in a grain bin"

  • @twistedpixel2558
    @twistedpixel2558 Před 3 lety

    He said it backwards. Air is drawn in through a vent in the side at the bottom and pumped up through the floor and vents out the top. Been farming for 35 years. That stood out like a sore thumb.

  • @ellsworth5841
    @ellsworth5841 Před 3 lety

    The man does like the way his voice sounds.

  • @caljarvis
    @caljarvis Před 7 lety +4

    nice job

  • @junocomm
    @junocomm Před 7 lety

    I like it a lot! I would have definitely had more windows storage and private spaces.

  • @missfuzzymittens
    @missfuzzymittens Před 6 lety +2

    I wanna live in a grain bin

  • @darianroscoe1017
    @darianroscoe1017 Před 7 lety +4

    Brilliant!

  • @Rainaman-
    @Rainaman- Před 7 lety

    Very interesting, never even heard of grain bin homes before

  • @ranchochihuahua
    @ranchochihuahua Před 3 lety

    I LOVE this and I might just have to find myself a grain bin for my next house. :)

  • @sandynorth5422
    @sandynorth5422 Před rokem

    I would love to have one of these house.

  • @decnijfkris3706
    @decnijfkris3706 Před 7 měsíci

    It is pictoresque, a grain bin in an area where it does not belong. For the rest adapting all to round shapes or loose a lot of space. See no real viability in it. But it is special.

  • @zates2272
    @zates2272 Před 7 lety +2

    cool idea!

  • @kathleenwinser4033
    @kathleenwinser4033 Před 6 lety

    Wow this is neat.

  • @nesekaba
    @nesekaba Před 7 lety

    Wow, it's strange to think that a filmmaker that I've been following for years and years and years was 30min away from me! I'll be in St Charles next weekend to see Alt J. What a small world. If you're ever back in the area, I can take ya to some great restaurants! :]

  • @sharondymond
    @sharondymond Před 5 lety

    He's a great narrator.

  • @vermontmike9800
    @vermontmike9800 Před 7 lety

    I've seen water towers and grain bin houses before but they had a fully finished interior.

  • @monoshock57
    @monoshock57 Před 7 lety +18

    Looks like it would be zombie proof.

    • @anja8211
      @anja8211 Před 7 lety +1

      My thoughts exactly... lol

  • @happykt
    @happykt Před 6 lety +1

    I'd make bigger windows, install a door with windows, and at the top of the silo, install a sun window (I've seen these in yurts.)

  • @Valencia.Foster2023
    @Valencia.Foster2023 Před 6 lety

    I read the title and yelled out: hey i know Madison county 😂 and of course living in Woodbury county I knew it 😂

  • @arizonamedia8341
    @arizonamedia8341 Před 4 lety

    Wow!!! I would love to live in a place like that’s so cool

  • @Mr.Cash66
    @Mr.Cash66 Před 3 lety

    Love this

  • @rickybotts7588
    @rickybotts7588 Před 4 lety

    I have always wanted to build a home inside a water tower. The large ones like citys use

  • @s0uthp4w68
    @s0uthp4w68 Před 3 lety

    That galvanized metal will be around for a long time. nice

  • @TheAdamChampagne
    @TheAdamChampagne Před 7 lety +1

    prairie style is a style of architecture championed by Frank Loyd Wright, this is more of a country industrial look.

  • @southernboy7171
    @southernboy7171 Před 3 lety

    Now I want to go back and count how many times he said Grain Bin 😂

  • @JohnDoe-xl1qs
    @JohnDoe-xl1qs Před 7 lety

    I would love to have one of these built to Live in,.. But I need a Car Port to Protect against Iowa Trepid Weather... Need More Windows..
    Thanks for Posting

  • @6969smurfy
    @6969smurfy Před 6 lety

    After several heated debates with the local farmers, came to the conclusion, If your bin is taller than it is wide your alright in calling it a silo. I have the first basement poured Silo build i believe.

  • @markb.1259
    @markb.1259 Před 5 lety

    Excellent video!!

  • @DustyCowdog
    @DustyCowdog Před 3 lety

    That was freaking amazing.

  • @ZerudaDensetsu
    @ZerudaDensetsu Před 7 lety +24

    One thing I wouldn't like about living there is the echo. I feel like they wasted so much space by making it this open.

    • @gbekkema
      @gbekkema Před 7 lety +9

      Like this concept very much, but indeed that echo.. Imagine using the toilet at night and walking over that steel floor on to the steel stairs.. doingggggg doingggggg doinggggggg

    • @Harley04
      @Harley04 Před 7 lety +3

      Imagine the rain on the roof, say that American style roof like woof or hoof LOL

    • @justinofboulder
      @justinofboulder Před 7 lety +1

      with four feet of insulation, it might not be so bad?

    • @barkmanden2963
      @barkmanden2963 Před 7 lety +1

      Matbe leaving the spray foam finish would ad some “”soft contemporary” atmosphere

  • @paulagarrett46
    @paulagarrett46 Před 4 lety

    Love the concept

  • @jimlizfrost2140
    @jimlizfrost2140 Před 7 lety

    If that guy says grain bin one more time...Seriously, it's pretty cool.

  • @pacificpermaculture
    @pacificpermaculture Před 7 lety

    Cool ,but I wouldn't go fo the shiny walls.Would have to be some flat color.

  • @cvetoslavgergov305
    @cvetoslavgergov305 Před 7 lety

    All metal construction for the southern African climate............ genius.

  • @Jeff53536
    @Jeff53536 Před 6 lety

    I wonder how loud that gets in a thunderstorm

  • @FraseMarcus
    @FraseMarcus Před 7 lety +27

    Looks like one of these grain bins. Can anyone clarify if that was the inspiration?

    • @jimlizfrost2140
      @jimlizfrost2140 Před 7 lety +4

      Did you watch the video?

    • @Manda11.11
      @Manda11.11 Před 7 lety +7

      I think latatius was being cheeky lol

    • @bomaite1
      @bomaite1 Před 4 lety

      Hey, smart-ass. Funny how hair gets in your hairbrush, eh?

  • @E.lectricityNorth
    @E.lectricityNorth Před 7 lety +7

    The image was a little grainy...

    • @dasalekhya
      @dasalekhya Před 7 lety +7

      your comment is a little corny

    • @E.lectricityNorth
      @E.lectricityNorth Před 7 lety +3

      Wheat a second...are you trying to barley this into some sort of pun?

  • @yellow2000SR
    @yellow2000SR Před 7 lety +35

    Say 'Grain Bin' one more time.

    • @Harley04
      @Harley04 Před 7 lety

      Is that a grain bin, bin, bin, bin, bin,,,,,,,,,

    • @jimfritz8983
      @jimfritz8983 Před 7 lety

      grain bin

    • @ashleycimkowski6233
      @ashleycimkowski6233 Před 7 lety

      yellow2000SR lmfao hahha I can't deal with this comment. I'm dead, thinking the same thing the whole way through

    • @bisgurlll
      @bisgurlll Před 7 lety

      yellow2000SR I couldn't take it anymore 😂

    • @donnashelton1269
      @donnashelton1269 Před 5 lety

      yellow2000SR 😂ikr

  • @jeffbingaman2754
    @jeffbingaman2754 Před 7 lety

    Should have just put cameras around the outside and monitors on the inside. That way you could always enlarge or easily move your windows.

  • @darangemaster1
    @darangemaster1 Před 6 měsíci

    very cool

  • @jeffbingaman2754
    @jeffbingaman2754 Před 7 lety

    He could paint the outside to blend into the scenery and completely disappear. Although seasons and crop growth would give you away.