MORE ARGOS CUSTOMER RETURNS to FIX - Can I Make More ££$$€€
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2023
- Hi, in this video I attempt to fix more Argos customer returns.
Will anything be fixable or will it all be broken beyond repair.
Let's find out.
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Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things. I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things, so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series. Many thanks, Vince. - Jak na to + styl
if you record your own voice on a tape recorder which is too slow or fast your voice always sounds correct because you play it back on the same recorder.
The Motor has a regulator inside the Metal Case. That´s why the Motor does not respose to different Voltages. The Speed of the Motor can be adjusted by the small Hole on the Motor.There is a potentiometer behind the hole.
Exactly what I came here to say. Slow tape will be slow during recording and playback. You need to listen back on a known good tape player.
Never noticed this comment I commented the same as soon as he did it hehe
The speed controller may have failed. The motors with speed controller are (or at least were) available. This is probably a clone of one of the higher end motors, and the speed controller is probably not very high quality.
That's what I came to say and it really annoyed me that Vince had no idea..🤬
I thought the same.
The only thing we can deduce from the last few videos, is that if somebody gives you a birthday or Xmas present and it's made by BUSH, you're going to be devastated. And inconsolable. You may as well send it straight to Vince, unopened, with a note saying "Vince, fix this. Cheers".
Hahahaha
The motor has the adjustment, but a lot also have a secondary adjuster on the board.
The motor on the tape player will have it's own speed regulator, a small screwdriver into the hole on the back of the motor will allow speed adjustment (normally). The blue head is the permanent magnet Erase head.
Beat me to it!
I can remember the very early cassette decks that used centrifugal governors, bob weights which flew out and opened contacts, to control the speed.
Clearly visible in the video, I thought he would have spotted it?
I think the issue was the spring here. The pinch roller was being quite deformed and was pushing the capstan!
@@terrygee210 he beat me aswell haha
A recording made on a slow machine WILL always sound correct when played back on the same machine. This doesn't mean the machine is working correctly.
The left side of the pinch roller retention spring should be in the tab on the upper left. It was not installed correctly and is stuck in the wrong position and adding increased tension on the roller and slowing the tape.
This is exactly correct. You can see the spring end that is fixed is under the tape head, nut under the the catch tab where it should be. Thats the problem right there.
I have been welding 18 years now and I live in the desert. Nice to hear your appreciation for how hot and tough it is to do. You eventually get used to getting burns on various body parts. The hardest part is usually trying to get into the most comfortable position and sometimes it just isn't possible.
atleast with welding, you don't need to worry about things flying about like with air soldering? as a welder, try soldering sometime, with lead free, now that needs temps ;) also I envy (want to try) welders. so good for you :)
landfills are not being filled now Vince has these videos
Another great video Vince! You showed a nice selection of honest repairs that were very interesting to watch.
I learn something new every time you put up a new electronics repair video because you always talk through and demonstrate your troubleshooting technique to find faults.
That is very helpful to me as a novice that just wants to try to repair my own personal items that do not work properly!
Excellent comment. Voice of one speaks for many.
21:21 I'm not sure if it will help, but when I once disassembled a tape motor, I found a circuit board with a potentiometer that control the speed of the motor under the metal cover at the back. With this, you can usually readjust the motor's speed. There's a small hole in the motor, so maybe you can access the potentiometer through it, allowing you to solve the issue without having to fix the mechanical problem.
Nice one 👌👍👍
Love these videos. The guys' articulate and down to earth approach is great .
Thank goodness for people like you. Anything you can save and flip is one less thing rotting in a landfill.
What a great episode! The last one looks really good. I like the wood and the vintage look.
love the type of videos recently Vince, keep it up!
Hi, the excessive pinch roller pressure on the tape player at time 25:00
You were nearly right if you look at the other end of the spring you can see it's not seated in the little notch on the chassis. It's jammed in the play head.
i thought the hole in the top of the motor was a speed adjustable pot?
That black spot on the back of the motor is where you insert a tiny flat screwdriver to adjust the speed.
Absolutely love the returns repairs.
Does the wife think the same?
@@ChillToMusic87 what?
@@HA05GER Does the wife also love the returns repairs?
I actually brought a job lot mainly personal DAB radios probably from the same seller, as amongst it all was also the stereo & same probably the same issue (10.24) . Thank you, you've probably just saved me a lot of time
Well done Vince. Good fault-finding on the faulty semiconductors
Nice one Philip, thanks very much for the Super Thanks👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@Mymatevince you're welcome 🤗
Great job. I really enjoyed the repairs.
I never thought I would hear the word premium as part of the description of a Bush item 😊
Great fixes Vince well done
Many years ago they were quality. It's a shame what's happened to the brand, like JVC, now just a Curry's badge.
@@stepheng8779 total agree with you, I had a separates stereo system as a kid it was mint
Hey Vince ! showing our ages.i had the ZX Spectrum + 2 with the cassette deck built on !
YES !!! Another my mate Vince 🎉🎉🎉
Man. I love these videos!!!!!!
The fact you're fixing such cheapo devices is crazy, HOWEVER, it' s one less thing in the landfill and to be highly applauded. It's the kind of repair I do myself, often not cost-effective but it saves things from being thrown out. With the cassette deck, I think you HAVE fixed it, as much as such a flimsy, basic transport is capable of being fixed. It's tricky managing friction with a cassette deck - too little on the pinch roller and the tape will run too fast, too much and it will run slow. Good work, StezStixFix brought me here.
Your the man Vince 😊 great job 👏
I was able to get my hands on some BUSH last weekend and was quite happy. Just saying. Thank you for the Video-Vince
Hi Vincent long time viewer first time commenter I use the personal dab radios and they all fail on the jack and have repaired a Couple myself always good to see the experts catching up😊
44:25 If you look at the datasheets there is a code for the voltage output.
18 = 1.8v
28 = 2.8v
30 = 3.0v
33 = 3.3v
43:55 The last number on your chip is / 33 with means its a 3.3v.
If it's rated for 6 volts and they are running it up to 8 volts that's why it failed. I wouldn't put that model back in there if the one you put is properly rated to handle the voltage. It could have been a bad batch from the factory. Maybe somebody loaded the wrong reel of regulators in the pick and place machine. It would have probably worked long enough to get past QC, if there was any.
@@ErrorMessageNotFound Made in China = made as cheap as possible.
They don't care about ratings. As long as it works for a while its good enough.
They know that no one will ever claim warranty on this kind of cheap junk.
Anyway the code I talked about refers to output voltage not input...
@@ErrorMessageNotFound I agree. Putting the original back will certainly bring the fault back.
The pressure roller can make quite a difference to the drag on the motor. Definitely the spring was pushing it too hard and increasing friction in the capstan bearing. With the radio that fixed itself, I wonder if the switch was failing to make contact or there was a dry joint that decided to make contact. Typical any disturbance can “fix” a contact fault. Nice fixes again!
21:15 No the motor have speed regulator inside, no need to mess with this Tanashin mechanism. You see that black hole on the top? Put a small flat screwdriver throgh it, throgh black foam, there is a potentiometer that regulates the speed, but don't touch the the case (it is grounded) and potentiometer at the same time or you'll burn the regulator. No need to be afraid of transformers in linear PSUs, as they are well isolated and live hot connections are on the primary coil, buried deep under the secondary coil which is wounded over with capton tape. Yo can't touch live wires there. 48:08 missing battery voltage feedback to MCU = bad resistor or bad connection. Oh well ... 🙃
Excellent video, a well deserved subscription and like.
Vince, about the "self-healing" radio, my guess is that the problem was the switch that blocks the batteries when the AC cable is plugged in.
It might also be a partially shorted capacitor, micro crack. The transformer has a limited amount of output power, but when the batteries were inserted, the inrush took care of the short. Happened to me once, and I realized after the short was back. It was a 0805 100nF capacitor. Also heating it would clear the fault.
Yes agreed. He needs to try the radio on AC again, but without the batteries. I don't think it is fixed.
That would be a perfect explanation if it wasn’t working on batteries - the switch just disconnects them. But it wasn’t working on the AC instead, so it can’t be related to the switch.
I've had that issue with a radio, the one I had must've been designed for a plug that was a bit larger, or the switch was worn out, because it would only work when the cord was twisted about to depress the switch enough.
Thanks Vince! great video today
Nicely done! Very good isolation figuring out the wonky chip on that speaker 👍
Thanks Garth👍
Great video Vince I love your problem solving logic.
Still smiling over the blown away transistor , made me lol
The speaker in the little radio was tiny compared with the grille.
Just goes to show the cheapness of the cr4p we buy daily from China and we’re all guilty of it :-( where’s it all gonna end ( apart from landfill
Keep up the good work Vince
Lots of great fixes in this vid!
@25:30 yeah I agree, that spring looks wrong, straightening it looked like the correct thing to do.
great vid as always
Great video. When working on mains powered stuff, its a good idea to put a few strips of insulating tape over any exposed connections to protect you from accidental contact.
Or wear insulating gloves, we used to have them at a place I worked. They felt like marginally thicker surgical gloves but we're electrically inert and you could barely put a scalpel through them (and that took some real effort). I once found myself holding a live 400V cable (I was just a dumb salesman showing customers round the workshop) and only knew because one of the sparkies came running over screaming!!
You fixed the tape recorder. It is the job of the capstan and pinch roller to set the tape speed, not the supply/takeup reel hubs. They are only there to apply pressure to the tape to ensure what comes out the takeup reel side of the capstan and pinch roller is wound into the cassette, not bunching up and eventually getting wrapped around the pinch roller. Also what people say about the motor is true. The easiest way to set the tape speed is to use a signal generator app on your phone to record (on a known good tape recorder) a few minutes of test tone, then play it back on the same recorder with a freqyency analyzer app to see what frequency it registers. Then play the same test tone tape on the argos return tape recorder and adjust the motor speed until the frequency matches that of the known good recorder.
Every time I watch you use the Hot Air Station I'm amazed.. I obviously need more practice.. I have never gotten anything to come off the board that easily.. lol Great Work!
We can hear Mrs Vince washing up in the background, Its about time you fixed the dish washer! LOL Great Videos keep them coming !
Sounded like the dish cleaning room of a Chinese restaurant.
Loved this Vince. You should do an episode on how to identify components and how to trace the route on a pcb .., both of which I struggle with 😂
Hi Vince love your show
nice, some like murder mysteries and such, me myself. This! finding that faulty transistor, epic! and btw, that portable DAB radio, reminds me of Sangean. Worked in repair for a company that import those. Still have like 3 of those lying about. keep it up dude!
Don't beat yourself up Vince with the Cassette. It didn't work, but now it works. You fixed it. 🙂
Nice video, I love how you don't give up and generally manage to fix most things, even if they're not worth much 🙂
I noticed you did desolder the FM antenna at 3:51, maybe you forgot to solder it back, so the reception is bad because of that?
Great fixes on this set
I sure wish I had videos like this when I learned electronics repair 45 years ago..😊
@26:32 But when you're recording with the same tape player it wouldn't be any difference even if it was slow
Agree you need to record on another recorder thats working and compare on the slow one
Yep. Because it will record slow and play slow as well. However if it records slow and you play it back in another tape player it will sound fast or you could record on that and play it back and it would sound slow. Either would be fine.
Very good point Karthor!!!
I was gonna suggest this. TY
I love these longer videos.
@48:00 look for a resistor divider that goes to a pin on the uC, (not after the voltage regulator), the divider will be tapped off before the regulator so the uC can see the battery voltage.
Will do, thanks Scott👍👍👍👍
And for the BT speaker: The regulator too low voltage won't give "low battery" warning. The output of that won't be the basis of the warning at all. In the contrary, too high output of that regulator is way more likely to cause the low battery warning. The thing is, if its voltage has any play in the voltage monitoring at all, it will serve as the reference voltage. The true battery voltage would be then sensed via a dedicated resistive divider and compared to a reference, like that 3.3V (either directly via a comparator, or via an ADC in the processor and then the code)
What could have happened is the regulator to be unstable, causing voltage overshots. Once used as the reference for the Vbat monitoring, it may have triggered the LowBatt warning. Reason for the oscillation could have been the wrong capacitor type: The regulator datasheet says it is designed for a ceramic load capacitor, but there is an electrolytic. The ESR could be just too much for the regulator to become unstable.
At around the 22:45 mark you are working on the pinch roller when I was younger I worked as an apprentice at a repair shop and I had to clean the metal spindle and run an emery board over the rubber wheel. With use the wheel goes smooth and shiny and it drags on the tape. Also make sure you clean the opposite side of the spindle which is driven by the belt. Hope it helps
Vince .... i have the same DAB radio and THE SAME PROBLEM !!! OH Lordy 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 im gonna fix mine ... thanks Vince 👍👍👍
That 22R R18 used to drop a few volts before the 6V max input reg is a very dirty design, a couple of diodes maybe but an 0603, eghh. Great fixes. Adventure.
you are a very clever man.
I love these videos. Not such a fan of the RR vids, but these fix vids really relax me.
Vince is a Renaissance man and can do anything.
Great job
Love the channel, I like to take thing apart so any tips on where to buy returns would be very handy.
You can adjust the tape motor speed slightly. It could be sloppy adjustment by the factory. The motor contains a speed controller circuit board inside of it. Put a very small flat head screw driver in the black hole. There's a potentiometer underneath.
Nice one mate
You 100% fixed the tape player, that kink shouldn't have been in that spring. That was the problem and you definitely fix it.
That is nuts!
I have that Bush classic that I'm trying to fix! It isn't that exact manufacturer, BUT I'm having an issue where it is popping at random intervals. Here is hoping I'll be able to figure it out! X'D
If you record your voice when it's running slow (or fast) it will play back at the same incorrect speed so your recording will sound correct.
Great job again Vince!!!! I think you are right on that tape deck! It didn't look right with the bend that was in it before you tweaked it. When mounting a different component than the original, always a good idea to mount at least one of its pins to a position on the board (eg. scratch ground off and solder ground tab down to a ground area, or join one of the pins to the original pads), then when using wires etc, there's no chance of that component coming loose at some point. As it heats up, hot melt glue just wont hold it - and regulators dump their heat into the pins and ultimately the PCB they are soldered onto.
Great advice Chris, I should have scraped back the solder mask and soldered up the ground pin. Nice one 👌👍
@@Mymatevincesuggestion see if the headphone jack works first if it doesn't it's just a failed headphone jack
Nice repairs as usual. On the cassette deck the motor has internal speed regulation so any voltage change (full battery to flat battery) on the input should not affect the speed there is a potentiometer inside accessible through the hole in the rear of the motor but they are usually tiny. As you say, the speed of the motor is probably correct, but the capstan roller's friction caused belt slip. One mistake was presuming that if you record your voice and play it back as a test, but even if the speed was 50%, recording and playback would be at the same speed so it would sound correct but prerecorded stuff would still be 50% slow. I think you are on the right track and releasing the pressure on the capstan roller some more would have it sorted, well as sorted as a £29.99 cassette player will ever be.
Excellent point re record/playback speed. Didn't think of that
Came to say the same about the relative speed of anything recorded on the device playing back correctly if its spinning at the speed its recorded at..., and I didnt have to because everyone understands that with some reflection.
36:50 I marvel at cheap modern radios like these. The tuning can be remarkably good... there must be some kind of circuit in the generic all-in-one radio IC that allows it to really "lock in" when it gets close to a station. I found a new-in-box pocket radio forgotten beside a trashcan at work earlier this year, and I was surprised by how well it worked. I looked it up on Amazon and it was $25 CAD... that's £15, just like that Bush radio.
Not bad at all, I enjoyed watching you fix these! Personally, if you allowed shipping, I would buy the nice looking Bluetooth speaker off you right here right now, it's a great device now you've repaired it.
As for the cassette player, it still works, so yes personally I'd sell it on, since although not maybe a proper fix, it is now "fixed" in that it is working as intended. Maybe a reduced price for that one, but we'll see.
Also - not sure how long the AM/FM radios will be relevant for now that AM stations are being switched off across the UK, and FM doesn't really provide a lot of choice, unless you're in a strong signal area for distant stations, or you like a lot of different Heart FM frequencies scattered across the dial (and BBC R1-4 too). If you're in a weak signal area, you'll probably only get BBC 1-4, local BBC, Classic, and Heart.
Love your channel
I have a thing in the tape that goes slow and you test your Voice as a test.
If the tape goes slow and you record it will be normal for that speed. Best test is to record on another device and take that tape to the repaired tape :)
Hope you understand my english an explaning have a nice day
Yes just fine Sir ! and you make a great point :)
@@andymouse it just acurred to me vhs longplay the tape goes slower. In Sweden it did in the 90s
30:54 d1 through D4 is your bridge rectifier, the output of a bridge rectifier (with a filter cap) will be the input ac voltage times 1.414 so 10.88 volts DC the item you were testing was Q1 d882 is an npn power transistor.
Ooh another one awesome
Wow, lots of Bush to be trimming. The end results are always very 'pleasing'. 🤭😉
On the Bush cassette recorder, I think your diagnosis is right; the spring is too tight. In fact the other end of the spring doesn't look like it's in the right place to me. It could be, but it looks like it's under far too much tension in that position. (Also, as I'm sure you realised, the tape will run at the same speed during both recording and playback, so obviously its own recording will sound right ;-) )
See @23:07: I think the spring should be behind the spring holder on the left side on the screen that is just a little bit above the spring.
Lmao, I enjoy that hot glue voltage regulator replacement. Nice fixes!
On the bush tape recorder, the blue head that moves in is the Erase head (during recording) not the record head as you stated.
Also, no good recording to check the speed on the same device use a known good device to record your voice the play back on the suspect device.
Kudos from a fellow tech in USA good job trouble shooting
I wonder if that voltage regulator was dipping just enough (and quickly enough) for the device to notice but not enough to shut off or register on the multimeter. Anyway, nice work!
Pink. Big Clive will be interested!
You were right with the spring the next side of the spring have to go into the small tab cause it loose
I was going to suggest adjusting motor speed on the cassette player, but I like your fix better.
I have one of these Bush shoebox recorders from new, bought from Argos & I believe it's still being sold.
I haven't used mine much & it's terrible to listen to music on. The problem with mine is, it keeps randomly auto stopping the tape!
Reminiscent of the old Lada joke...
How do you double the value of a Bush boombox
Fill it with batteries.
On a casette player, the playback speed is given by how fast the tape spins. So it would have to do with the spinny things that drive the casette. Maybe they are dirty or something is preventing them to spin properly. Or the motor is malfunctioning or it's not receiving enough power to spin at the correct speed.
Oh Vince, really treating us well with more returns repairs! Makes my time at home that little more enjoyable!
With the radio, I'd take a close look at thecontacts on the battery cutoff device that makes and breaks when the mains lead is plugged in
The pink one could be worth thousands due to rarity! 🤷🏽♂️
The tape cassette player speed adjust is the trim pod on the motor the black dot is a rubber seal with veripot under it
These little tape deck motors have speed controllers built-in. That's why you wouldn't get any speed change with varying supply voltage. There is a pot behind that little hole on top that sets the speed. Speed should be about the same with and without the load. It can only change when there is too much load put on it. I bet that some cleaning and lubrication od the mechanism would make the thing work again. Cheap and dirty way to know if it plays at correct speed is to record single tone of known frequency (1 kHz is often used) on a known good working deck and use that to set the speed. Simple spectrum analyzer phone app should be good enough to measure the frequency.
I haven't got clue about electronics and do not know a thing about what you are talking about, things like capacitors and resistors, but for some strange reason I find your downloads very interesting and captivating. Do I need help ???
The tape recorder, you could see the steel rod that the rubber wheel pushed against deform (bend) - after you straightened the spring, it stayed pretty vertical when the wheel pushed against it.
I agree the capstain(spelling) sets the speed of the tape across the head. if the bearing is bad in that, it would allow it to bend over and cause a lot of friction in that bearing. Good catch @TheSudsy
@@wanjockey 100% that looks like the bearing is the fault
That spring was really pushing the pinch roller onto it! I have several very cheap portable cassette players that all have speed issues. I thought it was just because they were crap, which they are, but now I realise they may also need adjustments to the pinch roller tension.
@@bernardleaf1397 the plastic bearing is cracked... you can see it at 24:21... they are normally not cracked
@@TheTkiller9999 thats just the clip holding the capstan shaft on
dam some quick fixes on this stuff hear nice
There must be a 2 resistor voltage divider going directly from the battery to that bluetooth SoC to measure the battery voltage. Find and check that. That could be the cause of the low battery message.
My daughter had that first Bush boombox. The LCD display started to lose segments after a couple of months.
😂 I might be slightly evil cause when that tiny part flew away I giggled just a little!
😂
Vince, just curious, what do you do with all these things one they are or aren’t fixed?
24:51 That's the erase head and it's a cheap mechanism so it is a permanent magnet not an electro magnetic erase head. The actual recording is done by the main head which also does playback. On a fancy tape deck you get three heads, erase, record and playback which lets you monitor the recording as it is being made.
Vince please get an isolating transformer. The sight of those exposed terminals gives me the willies!
There’s a speed adjustment screw under that black hole on top of the motor just needs a tweak
Nice fixes :) Interesting that cassette player, which look like 80's tape drive for various 8-bit computers. I wonder if it can be used as such? I had similar tape drive for my first computer, Salora Manager, actually still have it, but now it's in bad condition, would need complete restoration.
It will work fine for a computer, apart from a commodore as their tapes are digital.