Prince Of Orange's Cavalry Charge | Sharpe
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- Prince of Orange attempts to get his men to charge at the enemy.
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The Prince of Orange may not have been an outstanding military leader, but based on his looks, he probably could have been a back-up singer and tambourine player in a second-rate 80’s pop band.
Or a synthetic being powered by the mind stone!
Billy Idol is one damn good actor.
Perhaps while wearing that uniform as well.
Or a monk assassin :)
@@rrb_9574 Balancing real history and a good story always is a give and take between the two
"I am without fear", he says as he stutters.
Paul Bettany's terrific in this role.
He's a Vision to behold.
The words of a boy, not a man.
There's absolutely no soldiering to be found in this scene.
The disgrace of it
I don't know about all that.
The lancers seem to be soldiering quite well.
Except by the french
I wholeheartedly disagree. Refusing to obey the orders of a pompous idiot: Now that's soldiering!
Because their leader is a twat
"I am without fear!"
And he wonders why his men won't follow him...
well that and not really into suicide
yeah if he was truly without fear though he would have continued on without the other cavalry
I heard it once said "if you are without fear, you're too dumb to understand the danger"
@@deadfichboat Bingo.
Without fear coz he's got no brain power to process it
Not charging to die by getting speared by a lance?
Now that's having a brain between your ears!
And genuine soldiering
@@paulpeterson4216 _"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."_ General George S. Patton
Cavalry usually doesn't like to charge things.
@@Furzkampfbomber At least...... George C. Scott said that... whether the real George S. Patton said it....... meh.
@@JamieTransNyc the speech that George C. Scott delivers at the beginning of the movie Patton is from the transcript of a speech Lieutenant General George S. Patton Jr. made to American soldiers he commanded, just before the Amphibious Assault of Sicily in 1943. The largest Amphibious Invasion, until the Allied landings in Normandy, France on June 6th 1944.
Prince of Orange: "Advance!"
Cavalry: "Oh, did you mean _us_?"
Trying to charge some trees with a dozen cavalry. Now that's low budget soldiering.
"Now you see, that's not it at all."
...
"Now we'll try again, shall we?"
so...casual about it. lol. and the cheery upbeat music really adds to the effect.
The soldier who says he is not afraid will soon be a soldier who is not alive.
Which is funny because this is the only time Sharpe ever shot a superior, I think. Neither Girdwood nor Simmerson nor any other incompetent buffoon that Dicky boy had to deal with got the 2/3 inch lead ball that came out of Sharpe's Brown Bess.
Either dead quickly or a Victoria Cross - perhaps both.
any soldier who claims they arent afraid is a liar or insane.
@@moblinmajorgeneral sharpe was originally part of the 95th rifles. pretty sure he kept his baker rifle along with his uniform even after he took command of the south essex. no wobbly brown bess for him.
Fear is merely Hope set at odds to the insanity of the situation. Show me a man who has no fear, I will show you a man who has given up hope.
Now thats... probably not soldiering...
He had his sights set on glory, but he didn’t see the lances
One could say that, at this point in his career, he lacked...Vision 😏
Perhaps he was not aware of the inevitable... Margin Call.
But one can't deny, that he had a Beautiful Mind.
His vision was not too sharpe..
😏
This comment section is cursed
In his own mind, he'll always be Number 1.
I would guess that the Prince of Orange hasn't read any books on military fighting? Nor is he willing to listen to is fellow fighters in his army. In some ways the story is timeless.
Its completely untrue the depiction of the Prince of Orange in this film. In reality he was a brave and competent field commander who proved to be inspirational to his soldiers repeatedly rallying them and leading them back into the fight.
I wonder if this depiction of the Prince would have done differently if not mocked each way. Yes he made mistakes but talking to a prince has to include some praise as well, flattery even and you could get them to take your suggestion as their own idea. I also know it’s a tv character and written to be an idiot.
Unfortunately bits inverse snobbery with the writer playing to the UK xenophobic market. Of course being a prince he was a product of that class and clearly he was no Wellington or even the Duke of Brunswick, but he was able, brave, well liked and had an extremely competent and experienced staff in short good enough to make a difference on the Battlefield both at Quatre Bras where he saved Wellington from embarrassing errors and Waterloo where as none of the few surviving senior officers stiffened the line at critical times.
@@andygass9096 Brave? Yes. Competent? Debatable.
@@JM-dy4ty your evidence for lack of competence?
“I am without fear… Or brains… Or common sense.”
Prince of Orange: "I am without fear."
Seasoned veteran: "That's your biggest problem."
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The Dutch were actually very good soldiers. Napoleon had several regiments of them, and they served him well. The Dutch Lancers were part of the Imperial Guard Cavalry. If there were any issues with them at Waterloo, it's because they were hastily raised conscripts that they didn't have time to fully train, They didn't lack courage, just skill.
Shoulda called for Theodin. Now that’s cavalry!
Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
@@spartanxmonster They have passed like rain on the mountains...like wind in the meadows...
RIDE, RIDE TO RUIN AND THE WORLDS ENDING
FORTH EORLINGAS!!!
And I am now picturing Theoden starting to ride forward only to see nobody following him and looking back baffled.
'Look. Mumakil. And behind them, thousands of Haradrim warriors, in phalanx. That's why they didn't go.'
I've only seen this show in clips, but this def had that,, "Oh yeah, Uh, I knew about it the whole time" energy
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0:34 Wellington: “Your Royal Highness, I shall need your cavalry.”
Prince: ”You shall have them Sir.”
Prince’s Staff: (”Wait, what?!”)
Prince:”I will lead them!”
Wellington:(”what?!”)
His own troops: wtf
*your
Gimli: and my axe
Its completely untrue the depiction of the Prince of Orange in this film. In reality he was a brave and competent field commander who proved to be inspirational to his soldiers repeatedly rallying them and leading them back into the fight.
Spotting lancers, infantry squares and artillery...now that's soldiering!
"Thousands of lancers", hiding in the trees perhaps? Or did Colonel Lawford forget to teach Sharpe how to count when they were in that cell in India.
Budget constrains
Cameron Schofield 1 lancer equals 100 lancers I guess.
This was a good episode of Sharpe but the low budget really failed to recreate the scene of the battle. They could've at least made more attempt to add background ambience like musket fire and distant cannon.
They were behind the rabbit.
jwrockets The rabbit with the big snarley teeth? That rabbit is dynamite.
This is an era unfamiliar to me. I have only just begun to follow Sharpe and really enjoy it. The actor who portrays him seem perfect to the part. I have always studied the tragic American Civil War. The same author who penned the Sharpe series has written a 4 book series set in that conflict. There is a scholarly work that reads like a novel called"Lee's Lieutenants", I'm afraid I can't recall the author at the moment; but, it covers the history of all the Corps commanders who were Lt. Generals that served under Lee. I have heard it is required reading at West Point as it addresses leadership styles unfortunately driven by personality and intra- command disputes and problems with command
Bernard Cornwell is the author
Something something...
That's soldiering
In that case - NOT soldiering.
Of all the characters that appear once in the Sharpe TV series, Paul Bettany as the Prince of Orange for me is the best, hilarious from start to finish.
But completly wrong
0:44 Sharpes head snap like ‘wtf are you really gonna follow him’
He didn't want his bloody head chopped off
The threat of a charge is sometimes more important than the charge. I have cavalry moving about, and I force you to get into a square. That square is going to keep you safe from the cavalry but then the artillery and rifle fire gets you while you stand there. Infantry wants to be in a formation where they have the most possible firepower aimed forward at the enemy (usually a relatively thin line), and not bunched up for the artillery.
The cavalry is a mobility element foremost, I can send it to check a place or threaten something. Chasing down routing units is something cavalry excels at. Units routing are at their most vulnerable, and that's when they're not in pesky squares or coordinated firing lines that cavalry hate. Cavalry can chase after them and exploit breakthroughs.
Mounted infantry starts to show up. You get guys on horses who just uses them as a battle taxi. You ride up, dismount with your carbine and fight as an infantry formation that just appeared somewhere unexpected.
The bulk of casualties in Wellington's army were caused by French artillery, which was well-handled. Ney's cavalry charges in comparison were like a pleasant break from the French artillery.
Exactly. That is the tactic I use in Mount and Blade Warband Napoleonic War
And yet the French infantry used the Column more than the Line.
@@R3dp055um Yeah, I'm told they bring a lot more troops to bear on one spot that way.
@Jon Doe Horses are harder to duck behind a wall or in a trench. You can shoot the horse underneath the bloke.
I'm fond of the bike infantry. It's such a good example of semi-motorized Europe.
Having Silly Billy lead a cavalry charge with no experience at it well that's not soldiering.
Its completely untrue the depiction of the Prince of Orange in this film. In reality he was a brave and competent field commander who proved to be inspirational to his soldiers repeatedly rallying them and leading them back into the fight.
JFWIW, the Prince of Orange's failures and cowardice that day are apparently based on an account written by someone with a grudge against him, that cane to be accepted as fact. Modern historians have concluded that he performed competently and with courage.
Yeah, I always wondered where that came from in the show. Even in Cornwalls own Waterloo book he doesnt talk that bad about the Prince.
It really is funny how a battle commander "changes" depending on which accounts you read.
i once read a biography about Blücher, were Bernadotte was portrayed as this fearful, uncertain commander who didn't dare to go against Napoleon. In another book, focused on the Battle of Leipzig, Bernadotte was constantly annoyed by Blücher and tried to find something useful for him to do while he himself was the one Napoleon was afraid of.
@@ottokarl5427 yes, unbiased-enough history is a hard thing to come by.
His mistake was documented He ordered the KGL to advance-not realizing the cavalry everyone could see were french and not dutch.
@@ottokarl5427 Hard to blame one for hesitation to face Bonaparte. I'd struggle to find the ego to match with one of the greatest militant minds of the age too.
Complete travesty, the Prince was a brave and competent commander who consistantly led his troops well being one of the few senior commanders on the spot. The Dutch Belgium Cavalry made a number of charges with no evidence that they ever failed to respond to the Prince. In addition his infantry and artillery were key in helping to repulse the attack of the Middle Guard.
Call it artistic license in the movie.
I'd like to hear more if you don't mind?
@@Briselance that's the problem with these period pieces. You need some conflict outside of the fighting, since there isn't much of a budget to truly show the scale of the fight and it's hard to really get much out of faceless enemies all the time
This isn't a documentary
Yes and Sharpe was real too
"I am with out fear"
We'll see that's a problem
Oh lad... there is no shame in admitting fear, it is the first step towards finding courage.
Should have had the a scene of the french just laughing watching them
Cavalry charge 101 → We start out with a walk and no sabres are drawn.
lilliburlero playing in the backround, Dutch troops refusing to fight, I saw this scene about a year ago somewhere
@TheSmithersy true
@TheSmithersy English FFS. Composed by Henry Purcell.
Any man who says he is not scared is either lying or a Gurkha!
True story
He may have been telling the truth, although people totally without fear may have a personality disorder and in a command position are likely to get others killed as well as themselves. Marshal Ney on the other side was pretty similar, although a better commander.
Or - third option - incredible stupid.
And unfortunately the Gurkhas couldn't make it to Waterloo so that narrows it down.
2:27
"There are Dozens of Us.....DOZENS!!!"
Orange is such a good performer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can someone explain why if the lancers and infantry were a job for the guns, wellington bothered mentioning orange's cavalry?
Wellington only said he needed the cavalry, not what he wanted them to do. Gonna guess he wanted them AFTER the big guns did their job; the prince probably jumped to the conclusion Wellington wanted them to go in at that instant. Note how the prince rode off without asking what Wellington wanted and before Wellington had a chance to explain.
@@countryboy2123 obviously i saw that. but i also saw wellington not do anything to clarify or stop them from going.
guess it was one of those many things the producers thought wouldn't be a big deal.
@@geekdiggy OR, he wanted to teach his ally a lesson
@@geekdiggy or how to slap someone's face without the blame.
@@geekdiggy No need for an attitude when someone's trying to explain something to you.
Blimey he’s got a chicken on his head!now that is soldering not to mention dinner!
A Dutch Prince charging alone into battle to that music?
Now that's Lillibulleroing!
The Prince of Orange should have turned into The Vision and taken-out the French cavalry and infantry. Way easier than taking-on Thanos!😁
Too soon! 😆
What's with the hyphens?
So Wellington knew there was Lancers in the trees and yet still needed the Princes cavalry to charge their guns
He hates the Dutch a lot
I'm pretty sure he did need his cavalry as soon as possible to charge the guns while the Scots Grays were still on the way to the battlefield and were of no help at the time
He might just as well have needed them to block a possible French cavalry charge.
Prince of Orange has a Dramatic Comeback to win the Wimbledon Grand Slam Many Years Later !
If only he would've been as succesful against Thanos as well.
Sharpe just needs some CGI to make the battles bigger. Thousands of lancers is about 15 blokes 😂
"Now we try again, shall we?!"😆😆
erm so no one going to mention the fact wellington never mentions what he wants the cavalry to do
"Hey, is your cavalry still ready?" - "Of course, I will suicide charge it at once!" - "Wait? What? No... And hes gone. Bugger."
He do not be breaking the enemy's line
At least Henry could get his troops to be stupid alongside himself.
"Thousands of lancers" he says.
Camera pans to 20-odd cuirassiers...
This is so sad no soldiering to be found
Was this waterloo or public loo, about 15 horsemen there. Not surprised they didnt charge. Got to love Sharpe but its showing its age, would love a remake
The best portrayal remains Bondarchuk's, who had no shortage of extras.
Dressing in orange to be a better target for the sharpshooters. That's soldiering.
Paul Bettany is so good.
They're There !!!
The Battle of Waterloo was apparently fought with 50 men....
Paul Bettany FTW!
Looks like the prince's cavalry turned into illusory, ILLUSORY cavalry.
Lero lero lero lero lilliburlero bullen a la!
Very appropriate. :D
2:30. Sharpe points to "lancers"
*shows a bunch of cuirassiers
Ahhhh.........this is what i've been waiting for
Thousands... of... lancers?
@@eldorados_lost_searcher and the failed cavalry charge
They where like... nope
Prince of orange is 43 for reference during waterloo.
Its completely untrue the depiction of the Prince of Orange in this film. In reality he was a brave and competent field commander who proved to be inspirational to his soldiers repeatedly rallying them and leading them back into the fight.
Too bad this show had such a low budget. It would have been awesome of this show had a Game of Thrones like budget.
Remake!
@@949surferdude no, Hollywood would spoil it.
Agreed
Or the massive heap of volunteer re-enactors movies like "Gettisburgh" had.
it was awesome based on a great story, excellent writing and superb actors
Staying on your horse and not chopping it's bloody ears off? That's soldiering.
Turns out the Prince of Orange is a lemon.
The budget for extras was 3 shillings sixpence and they expected change--lol
"And I was not afraid. I am without fear...." More the fool you, man who goes into war without fear is a man looking to die.
A man who goes to war with fear is man who doesn't want to fight
@@juancarlosdegoya2757 Not quite. Fear is a natural and useful emotion, it keeps a body from doing stupid things, Fear is something that should be listened to. I wouldn't trust anyone on a battlefield who wasn't at least a little afraid.
@@FerretJohn you need a little bit of both, courage and fear, too much fear is bad
@@juancarlosdegoya2757Never said it wasn't, Courage isn't the absence of Fear, it's doing what you need to do DESPITE your fear
@@FerretJohn true
A man known especially for his military incompetence in an era seemingly rife with military incompetence
completely untrue, he was a brave and competent field commander who Wellington praised in his after battle report.
The calvary gave the Prince of Orange the royal bird
The prince will give those cavalrymen such a fonging
Simmerson was a coward, not a fool. Whereas Orange was a fool, but not a coward.
Now that's a murderer officer
i dont mind them running as long as they come back...
Nah, they kept running all the way back to Brussels.
When there were thousands of lancers and infantry in squares behind them why the heck did wellington order the prince of orange to execute a cavalry charge..??
I think from the scene of events it seems like Wellesley ordered an attack against French guns. I think this one is loose conglomeration of events based off after the French took La Haye Saint and were now sniping the Allied command post and the French artillery being moved closer to Allied lines after the center was taken.
After the French took La Haye Saint and threatened Allied command, William, the Prince of Orange, organized a counter-attack to regain La Haye Saint. The actual attack actually was well supported with combined infantry and cavalry support. The French however saw this and countered his counter. With the fog of war making a mess of the battlefield, the attack fell apart and first the infantry were routed and one cavalry unit saw this and also retreated. One Dutch cavalry unit however pressed on to attack the French artillery regardless of no longer having their full complement but the French gunners received word of their presence and were ready to receive them by the time they arrived.
@@EzekielDeLaCroix My read of the scene was that Wellington just said that he was going to need the cavalry, intending to use them after he was able to get them an opening to rush in and spike the guns. Meanwhile, the Prince took it to mean "launch a charge NOW" and Wellington did not catch on as to what the Prince was actually going to do, instead thinking that the Prince meant he would lead the charge himself once the order came.
Then the Prince sends the cavalry home entirely and orders lines when they needed squares...
@@Luke_Danger No wonder the Charge of the Light Brigade suffered such casualties. Those are some terrible orders from the British staff
@@EzekielDeLaCroix The Charge of the Light Brigade, as I recall, was a case of orders being entirely misinterpreted. As to this - when I said 'intending to use them after he was able to get them an opening', that meant after he either opened up a hole in the French lines that would be difficult to reform in time or tied down the units that would intercept the cavalry so that the cavalry could get the job done with acceptable losses for the military gains of disabling the French guns. And almost certainly intending to support the cavalry push with infantry and artillery either way.
"I will need your cavalry" can mean either launching immediately, or just that they will be needed in the battle at some point. My read was the latter.
[EDIT: Think of playing a battle in Napoleon: Total War - you can't just throw your cavalry into the thick of things without getting them mauled, but if you get them an opening they can get to the cannons and get out again once the guns are dealt with, disabling the constant pressure of artillery]
@@Luke_Danger So you admit the order was vague or ambiguous and Wellesley did not clear it up or said anything afterwards?
Say, does anyone know the name of the piece of music starting at 1:12? It's just I heard it once as a children's song or nursery rhyme, but can't for the life of me remember what it's called. Thanks!
I love how the French are viewing this and thinking “That’s adorable. Look at that silly English prince.”
The Prince of Orange is Dutch.
@@kieran7339 But do the French know that?
Well.. yeah. The House of Orange was quite prominent. They still rule the Netherlands, and members of the House of Orange have been holders of titles like King of Britain, Duke of Limburg, King of the Netherlands, Duke of Luxembourg and Fürst of Nassau.
There are bold soldiers and there are old soldiers, but there are no bold old soldiers.
"thousands of lancers" there were like 20 guys in that frame
That's numberwang. I mean soldiering...
Stuttering: I, I am without fear
😂😂 this prince orange must be a jester.
British propaganda
This whole characterization of the Prince of Orange is a lie, was a competent and brave field commander who proved inspirational to his soldiers repeatedly rallying them and leading them back into the fight.
Best charge ever no doubt
A man without Fear is a fool.
The prince looks like he could play a Marvel hero.
Get Simmerson 'ere to show 'em how to stand!!!
"Now you see that's not it at all."
"Thats why they wouldn't go.. thousands of lances" ... camera pans to 20 blokes on horse back 🤣🤣🤣
refusing an order from a royal? now thats soldiering
So this is what Vision was up to years ago.
that was paul bettany? Hm fancy that. Did every modern British actor got thier start in this tv series? Im seeing many who have done other shows
@@zygas25 Daniel Craig was in Sharpe too, Mark Strong and the bloke who played the watcher after Giles in Buffy.
And Dryden Vos years ago.
You have no idea about his times as monk assassin. Not to mention the period he did just exist in Russell Crowe's imagination.
they really went dutch on his characterization
if only he had given a rallying speech he did so many times in A Knight Tale. We shall thong them all my brave men.
We shall give the Frenchies such a FONGING!
In reality he did, his troops were inspired by his leadership and as one of the few surviving senior officers present, repeatedly rallied wavering troops leading them back into the fight. it was the attack of a Netherlands division that Wellington had deployed from reserve that completed the defeat of the middle guard.
Task failed successfully.
There is a difference between brave and just not having common sense.
Only a fool is without fear!
All you gotta do the be respected by men is straight up be nice
Orange should have just kept riding. Could easily have seen the cavalry placing bets on how long he'd last
One thing you need to remember about cavalry is that you're sitting on a horse. A rather large, skittish herd animal with a natural instinct to avoid the angry men with bayonets and loud noices.
Horses are too intelligent to charge into squares formed by men with fixed bayonets, although at Waterloo a few dying ones did so.
@@stevekaczynski3793 That's something so many movies about older wars get wrong... They always show mass (usually bad guy) cavalry charges headlong into infantry with pikes, lances, spears, sharpened sticks.. You name it. And the horses just run full speed into the damn things, impaling themselves and throwing the riders off in dramatic fashion... Horses don't just commit suicide because the guy sitting on their back told them to.
@@blackhawks81H It doesn't look like they did either. But it's enough to threaten an infantry unit sometimes, if you can force them to form a square they move slower and can be hit with artillery.
These big field armies aren't constantly fighting battles either, there's a long "small war" of raids, skirmishes, recce, provisioning as the field armies manouver around eachother.
A unit of 50 blokes on horses is pretty good at going over to a hill and peeking at what's on the other side. If they run into a party of foragers and their escorts, there's enough of them to pick a fight.
Seems to me that anyone who has to let his fellow officers that he "is without fear", is more of a coward than he realizes. If your not scared, your not able to lead other men who are scared!
But wenn you think that it were the Dutch under Colonel Detmers who send the Old Garde into a retreat for the first time ever with a bajonet charge. So they were not the cowards as portrait. So the Dutch beat the Old Garde and not the Englisch as shown in every movie. It was a coalition effort .