it's really funny how Joe keeps mentioning the short fences at the corners at 347 ft. That's 20 to 30 ft deeper than most parks nowadays. 😂 additionally, as someone who wasn't even born when this game was played, it's really wonderful to be able to get to watch it!
MLB Network has stopped showing these. Offseason would be great to show this and others, but they insist on showing the same four baseball movies (Natural, Sandlot, Major League II and Eight Men Out) OVER AND OVER. Glad these games are on the CZcams.
A good game to watch. Imagine having Clemente, Frank Robinson and Billy Williams on the bench backing up your starting outfield and Koufax and Drysdale in your bullpen.. I wish that Yaz would have gotten a chance to hit.
@@Nestor123057 He was injured at the time, and so he was replaced on the American League All-Star Game roster. The same goes for Mickey Mantle and Bill Skowron.
And Mickey Mantle only 19. 1965 was the 1st year that Willie Mays established himself as a clearly superior ballplayer to Mickey Mantle. Up until 1965, it was thought that Mays and Mantle were roughly equal in ability and were interchangeable. Mantle had 454 lifetime home runs and Mays 453. After 1965 and his MVP season, there was no doubt that Willie Howard Mays was the best player in baseball.
@@frederickrapp5396 I'm guessing Mickey missed a lot of games in '65. I think Mantle was amazing being as great as he was on one healthy.leg. On two healthy legs I'll go with Mickey over Willie. He had more power and was faster, believe it or not.
@@frederickrapp5396 Willie was great, no doubt, but Koufax should have been MVP. Without him the Dodgers don't even get into the WS much less win it. MVP WS Koufax of course.
I saw the game "in living color" back in 1965 when I was all of 11 years old. My father was a technical engineer working for NBC at their Burbank studios. We had a color TV in our home because he needed to check on the quality of the reception of the broadcast video over the airwaves. I never forgot Harmon Killebrew's home run in the fifth inning. I had never seen him bat in a game before but was well aware of the fact that he was the top home run hitter in the American League. The way he hit the ball, looked at it, dropped his bat and started WALKING to first base stunned me. I was a fan of the Dodgers in 1965. The Dodgers did not have anybody on their team like Harmon Killibrew that year,. Two players managed to get 12 home runs that year, that's all! Dodger hitting, or rather the lack of it, wouldn't be exposed until the 1966 World Series. Hilarious to hear the game announcer, Jack Buck, describe Juan Marichal as a pitcher "who really prides himself in his hitting and can swing the bat". A little more than a month after the All-Star game, Marichal would be swinging the bat at head of Los Angeles Dodger catcher John Roseboro in a game between the Dodgers and Giants in San Francisco in an infamous incident. The Dodger and Giants were caught up in a tight pennant race and the powers that be decided to let Marichal off with a slap in the wrist, a seven day suspension! Sandy Koufax had a TERRIBLE outing in the one inning he pitched. His first seven pitches were balls. Walked two batters. He was lucky to get out of inning with no runs scored against him. Ironic that he was the winning pitcher. A little less than two months later he would pitch a perfect game against the Cubs at Dodger Stadium, and he would win game seven of the 1965 World Series against the Minnesota Twins at this stadium. The National League Roster was a "Field of Dreams" team. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Willie Stargell, Dick Allen, Joe Torre, Ernie Banks, Pete Rose. A line-up so deep that future Hall-of-Famers like Frank Robinson, Roberto Clemente, and Billie Williams were on the bench as reserves. Outside of Brooks Robinson and Harmon Killebrew, the American League was a group of no-name players.
Umpires HP John Stevens (AL) (Crew Chief) (6th) 1B Lee Weyer (NL) (1st) 2B Lou DiMuro (AL) (1st) 3B Billy Williams (NL) (1st) LF Bill Valentine (AL) (1st) RF John Kibler (NL) (1st)
Garagiola and Buck worked together with, or more accurately under, Harry Caray with the Cardinals. Buck also worked for CBS, which owns CBS, and ABC covering the AFL before this.
Fun to watch all-time greats, but the picture quality is bad. More troubling, listening to 2 legendary broadcasters repeatedly mispronounce the names of several players.
Ouch. Mays, Aaron, Stargell, Allen as your first four batters. Throw Ernie Banks in the mix. 7 of the 9 NL starters are black (Marichal is Afro-Latin). This is why the NL was dominant, as the AL were late in coming re. signing black and Latin American talent. The Yankees bottomed out because they refused for so long. It took two decades to recover.
The Yankees bottomed out because all their star players got old. In case you haven't heard the Yankees were pretty dominant the previous 30 years. You clown liberals always have to make everything about race.
@toscodav That's because almost everything is about race. Do you know right now all the top ten richest people in the world are white people? October 30th, 2019: 10. Larry Ellison 9. Larry Page 8. Julia Koch 7. Charles Koch 6. Amancio Ortega 5. Mark Zuckerberg 4. Warren Buffett 3. Bernard Arnault 2. Bill Gates 1. Jeff Bezos That is a tremendous amount of economic supremacy in one race's hands and evinces a tremendous amount of economic inequality, social injustice and white privilege. I mean, you can see on this thread alone how much it's all about race because it's a fact that a race(white people), because of its power and privilege, literally forced another group not to be able to play solely because of their race and because of the hatred and contempt they had for said race(African Americans and maybe Latinos)!
@apio70 The Boston Bruins were the first hockey team to sign a black player (Willie O'Ree), and he was even partly disabled (blind in one eye). However, his presence did not bring anything to the Bruins, other than a minor trivia question. Absolutely nobody cared.
@apio70 "all hail trump"? that racist con-man? you people are in a cult. and he lost by 6 million votes, can't wait to see him taken away in handcuffs.
@james nadell, you're exactly right, the american league was slow to integrate, so the national league got first dibs on all the best "negro league" and latino ball players. the senators, tigers, yankees, and red sox all had openly racist owners/managers in the early days of mlb integration, and were forced to integrate, the red sox passed on willie mays for one example, can you imagine the numbers mays would have put up in fenway? "The National League dominated from 1950 to 1987, going 33-8-1. This included a stretch from 1963 to 1982 when it won 19 of 20, including 11 in a row from 1972 to 1982."
The NL starting lineup with Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Willie Stargell, Dick Allen, Joe Torre, Ernie Banks, Pete Rose, could beat any MLB team today. Todays players are in it for the huge money they make. Also, todays players are all muscle bound freaks. Weights and roids.
@danacoleman4007 Boomer? What a brilliant comment. Typical of your idiotic generation. I was born in the 70s. I know great talent like the players I mentioned. You admire players who all look like they take steriods. They play in ballpark that look like amusement parks. The out field fences are little league distances. Grow up, little boy, or girl.
The reason the NL won and dominated from the 50s to the 70s allstar games is simple but complicated. The simple is obvious ; the AL and its writers were biased against black players just like the owners. The AL did not have a black MVP until 1963. In 1954 Larry Doby should have easily won the MVP.The Indians won a record amount of games and Doby led the league in several key categories; but the writers caved in and DID NOT vote for him. There is no way Berra( who had a good year too) should have been MVP. No way. The AL BBWA members would have indicted and made look bad all those biased or prejudice AL owners if they gave the MVP to a black player because it would mean that black players were just as good. It's shameful! Now the complicated: In the early years of the integration of baseball many average white players could play , but not for the black players. Most of them had to be good!. A average black player meant taking the job of a average white player and that was not going to happen. Economics. there were only so many MLB jobs. White players just had a better chance of just making it. Black players had to be good. It is what it is.
You know what? That sounds very true. Just look at that starting line up for the AL? Most were white. The Yankees (my favorite team here in New York) did not have a black player on it's roster until 1955 (Elston Howard), 8 years after Jackie Robinson broke the color line. The Boston Red Sox did not have their first black player until 1959 and was the last MLB franchise to do so when they have a chance to be the first, because they had a chance to sign Jackie Robinson before the Brooklyn Dodgers and passed up on signing him.
The Major Leagues expanded from 16 teams in 1960 to 20 teams in 1962. There were 25% more major league teams and 25% more jobs for players. The major leagues would expand to 24 teams in 1969. A 50% increase in the number of major league teams in nine years. There were jobs available for any decent major league caliber player. If anything, major league expansion meant careers were extended and rosters had players that wouldn't have been on major league teams before expansion. Baseball fans were actually complaining about the dilution of talent in baseball because there were so many more teams. The move to league divisions and a league championship series in 1969 also meant the end of great pennant races involving the entire league either as potential pennant winners or as spoilers that made baseball so popular in the US of A. You would never see anything like the 1967 American League pennant race again that involved virtually the entire league.
@@davidlafleche1142 Come on man everyone knows that racism is the reason for every injustice in the world now 😁 What happened to the dodo bird? Racism. Global warming? Racists caused it. And what about the wage parity? Racists. The price of gasoline ? Damned racists. Why do I have arthritis in my hands? Racism. Why was the mailman late last Wednesday? Racists. And why did the Reds , with Concepcion and May and Perez and Foster and Bench and Borbon and one of the most diverse teams in the league win pennant just a few short yrs later? Racism
Not sure what you're on about. You do know that all stars are picked on a yearly basis, right? That year Mantilla hit 18 home runs, drove in 92, following a season in which he had slugged 30. Rocky Colavito was a perennial all star, hit 374 career homers, including 30 plus seven times and 40 plus three times, led the league in RBI that year, and was noted for his strong throwing arm. McAuliffe was a middle infielder with pop, in an era when that rarely existed. True, these guys (Colavito excepted) don't rate with Mays, Aaron, and Stargell, etc, but none of them was anything like a major league bust.
obbor4 one lineup consists of future hall of famers and the other good or very good players. NL fielded more impressive lineup and dominated all star play during the era
@@obbor4 Good comments on Rocky Colavito....he was in Cleveland just 3 days ago, to unveil a statue of himself that Cleveland has built for him...Rocky is also one of only SIX players in the entire 152 year history of baseball since 1869 who has hit FOUR HOME RUNS in 4 consecutive at bats! An amazing feat, much more rare than even pitching a perfect game
s@@toscodav Robinson was pretty effective until the early 70's. The Reds would have won in 72 had Robinson been on the team. Hell, they played about as bad as you can play and the A's still only barely beat them. The Reds had so much talent that they got rid of guys like Bernie Carbo and Hal Mcrae, quality players who played on pennant winning teams.
it's really funny how Joe keeps mentioning the short fences at the corners at 347 ft. That's 20 to 30 ft deeper than most parks nowadays. 😂
additionally, as someone who wasn't even born when this game was played, it's really wonderful to be able to get to watch it!
Speaking of the All Star Game in Bloomington, MN the Twins took over 1st place the week before and held it for rest of the season
Watched it as a kid. Bring back the sixties!
What amazing talent!
I was fortunate to be born in 1957!
I know what you mean - Me in 1952 -
MLB Network has stopped showing these. Offseason would be great to show this and others, but they insist on showing the same four baseball movies (Natural, Sandlot, Major League II and Eight Men Out) OVER AND OVER. Glad these games are on the CZcams.
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52:15 52:20
Always a pleasure to watch Koufax, even when he didn't have his best stuff.
hammerin hank! what a true legend
Game had so many legends in it! Just wish it had been broadcast "...in living color!"
❤ 1960s baseball ⚾️ all star games
The true golden age. All Star games of the '60s can be summed up as "Willie Mays pulled some hijinks and the NL won."
A good game to watch. Imagine having Clemente, Frank Robinson and Billy Williams on the bench backing up your starting outfield and Koufax and Drysdale in your bullpen.. I wish that Yaz would have gotten a chance to hit.
He should have started, in my opinion, if only for his glove, and he was a pretty good hitter too.
@@Nestor123057 He was injured at the time, and so he was replaced on the American League All-Star Game roster. The same goes for Mickey Mantle and Bill Skowron.
Willie Mays would go on to hit 52 home runs in 1965
And Mickey Mantle only 19. 1965 was the 1st year that Willie Mays established himself as a clearly superior ballplayer to Mickey Mantle. Up until 1965, it was thought that Mays and Mantle were roughly equal in ability and were interchangeable. Mantle had 454 lifetime home runs and Mays 453. After 1965 and his MVP season, there was no doubt that Willie Howard Mays was the best player in baseball.
@@frederickrapp5396 I'm guessing Mickey missed a lot of games in '65. I think Mantle was amazing being as great as he was on one healthy.leg. On two healthy legs I'll go with Mickey over Willie. He had more power and was faster, believe it or not.
@@fredmar6436 Mickey Mantle played in 122/162 games in 1965.
@@frederickrapp5396 Willie was great, no doubt, but Koufax should have been MVP. Without him the Dodgers don't even get into the WS much less win it. MVP WS Koufax of course.
@@frederickrapp5396 His last good season was 1964 it was all his numbers fell big time after that year
I saw the game "in living color" back in 1965 when I was all of 11 years old. My father was a technical engineer working for NBC at their Burbank studios. We had a color TV in our home because he needed to check on the quality of the reception of the broadcast video over the airwaves.
I never forgot Harmon Killebrew's home run in the fifth inning. I had never seen him bat in a game before but was well aware of the fact that he was the top home run hitter in the American League. The way he hit the ball, looked at it, dropped his bat and started WALKING to first base stunned me. I was a fan of the Dodgers in 1965. The Dodgers did not have anybody on their team like Harmon Killibrew that year,. Two players managed to get 12 home runs that year, that's all! Dodger hitting, or rather the lack of it, wouldn't be exposed until the 1966 World Series.
Hilarious to hear the game announcer, Jack Buck, describe Juan Marichal as a pitcher "who really prides himself in his hitting and can swing the bat". A little more than a month after the All-Star game, Marichal would be swinging the bat at head of Los Angeles Dodger catcher John Roseboro in a game between the Dodgers and Giants in San Francisco in an infamous incident. The Dodger and Giants were caught up in a tight pennant race and the powers that be decided to let Marichal off with a slap in the wrist, a seven day suspension!
Sandy Koufax had a TERRIBLE outing in the one inning he pitched. His first seven pitches were balls. Walked two batters. He was lucky to get out of inning with no runs scored against him. Ironic that he was the winning pitcher. A little less than two months later he would pitch a perfect game against the Cubs at Dodger Stadium, and he would win game seven of the 1965 World Series against the Minnesota Twins at this stadium.
The National League Roster was a "Field of Dreams" team. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Willie Stargell, Dick Allen, Joe Torre, Ernie Banks, Pete Rose. A line-up so deep that future Hall-of-Famers like Frank Robinson, Roberto Clemente, and Billie Williams were on the bench as reserves.
Outside of Brooks Robinson and Harmon Killebrew, the American League was a group of no-name players.
Ignorant statement, your last sentence. Either you don't know baseball or you're a National League snob. Or both?
Al Kaline wasn't exactly chopped liver.
Umpires
HP John Stevens (AL) (Crew Chief) (6th)
1B Lee Weyer (NL) (1st)
2B Lou DiMuro (AL) (1st)
3B Billy Williams (NL) (1st)
LF Bill Valentine (AL) (1st)
RF John Kibler (NL) (1st)
23 loping out of dugout. Say Hey Kid. Let's play ball! GOAT CF.
Willie Mays rest in peace
No batting gloves needed, most wore just the soft cap and no helmet....
Leadoff homer for Willie Mays. Cool!
Jack Buck and Joe Garagiola on the call for NBC. BTW Joe Sr. also did Cardinals games prior to joining NBC.
Was Jack Buck teamed with Harry Caray on TV at that time for the Cardinals games, or did Buck do play-by-play on the radio and Caray on TV?
@@jmccracken1963 I think so.
The all star games of today are so over done - we do not even watch it anymore - for the last 20 years -
That Plymouth Valiant commercial with the lion in the car. Was part of that filmed in either La Crescenta or Montrose in the Los Angeles area?
Only one all star ended in a tie.Untill the 2002 game made it two.
I was thinking that NL lineup was fucking loaded ( and it was,) then the AL lineup is introduced. Great couple of squads.
17 HOF, 2 more should be (Allen, Rose)
Jack Buck (PBP) & Joe Garagiola (C) 1st half
Garagiola (PBP) & Buck (C) 2nd half
Garagiola and Buck worked together with, or more accurately under, Harry Caray with the Cardinals. Buck also worked for CBS, which owns CBS, and ABC covering the AFL before this.
Willie Mays!!
Vic Davalillo!
NBCInstant replay 5 minutes later 😂
Quite interesting AL leadoff hitter rarely hit into double plays-#2 hitter holds record for most triple plays hit into
my favorite is the Killer good teammate better person .
Killer had a perfect swing and stance. Mel Allen used to say: "He's got muscles on top of muscles."
1:28:50 Sandy Koufax!
Ike Godsey! 16:34
I have searched on You Tube and have not found any Twins games from the Met. Do any exist ? They played there up to 1982.
Prime to late Mays leading the way.......
Where was Mantle?
Ima Misfit injured.
Fun to watch all-time greats, but the picture quality is bad. More troubling, listening to 2 legendary broadcasters repeatedly mispronounce the names of several players.
Principally, Zoilo Versalles.
They should digitally enhance this to 8K color.
Ouch. Mays, Aaron, Stargell, Allen as your first four batters. Throw Ernie Banks in the mix. 7 of the 9 NL starters are black (Marichal is Afro-Latin). This is why the NL was dominant, as the AL were late in coming re. signing black and Latin American talent. The Yankees bottomed out because they refused for so long. It took two decades to recover.
The Yankees bottomed out because all their star players got old. In case you haven't heard the Yankees were pretty dominant the previous 30 years. You clown liberals always have to make everything about race.
@toscodav
That's because almost everything is about race. Do you know right now all the top ten richest people in the world are white people?
October 30th, 2019:
10. Larry Ellison
9. Larry Page
8. Julia Koch
7. Charles Koch
6. Amancio Ortega
5. Mark Zuckerberg
4. Warren Buffett
3. Bernard Arnault
2. Bill Gates
1. Jeff Bezos
That is a tremendous amount of economic supremacy in one race's hands and evinces a tremendous amount of economic inequality, social injustice and white privilege.
I mean, you can see on this thread alone how much it's all about race because it's a fact that a race(white people), because of its power and privilege, literally forced another group not to be able to play solely because of their race and because of the hatred and contempt they had for said race(African Americans and maybe Latinos)!
@apio70 The Boston Bruins were the first hockey team to sign a black player (Willie O'Ree), and he was even partly disabled (blind in one eye). However, his presence did not bring anything to the Bruins, other than a minor trivia question. Absolutely nobody cared.
@apio70 "all hail trump"? that racist con-man? you people are in a cult. and he lost by 6 million votes, can't wait to see him taken away in handcuffs.
@james nadell, you're exactly right, the american league was slow to integrate, so the national league got first dibs on all the best "negro league" and latino ball players. the senators, tigers, yankees, and red sox all had openly racist owners/managers in the early days of mlb integration, and were forced to integrate, the red sox passed on willie mays for one example, can you imagine the numbers mays would have put up in fenway?
"The National League dominated from 1950 to 1987, going 33-8-1. This included a stretch from 1963 to 1982 when it won 19 of 20, including 11 in a row from 1972 to 1982."
they didn't have color tv in 65?
Look at the Orioles uniforms it spelled out the name in block letters
The NL starting lineup with Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Willie Stargell, Dick Allen, Joe Torre, Ernie Banks, Pete Rose, could beat any MLB team today. Todays players are in it for the huge money they make. Also, todays players are all muscle bound freaks. Weights and roids.
ok Boomer
@danacoleman4007 Boomer? What a brilliant comment. Typical of your idiotic generation. I was born in the 70s. I know great talent like the players I mentioned. You admire players who all look like they take steriods. They play in ballpark that look like amusement parks. The out field fences are little league distances. Grow up, little boy, or girl.
Pete Rose 2nd Base
Yankees won previous 5 pennants but zero starters 65 all star game
This is when the Yankees were in a rebuilding mode and wouldn't get back to the world series until 1977.
The reason the NL won and dominated from the 50s to the 70s allstar games is simple but complicated. The simple is obvious ; the AL and its writers were biased against black players just like the owners. The AL did not have a black MVP until 1963. In 1954 Larry Doby should have easily won the MVP.The Indians won a record amount of games and Doby led the league in several key categories; but the writers caved in and DID NOT vote for him. There is no way Berra( who had a good year too) should have been MVP. No way. The AL BBWA members would have indicted and made look bad all those biased or prejudice AL owners if they gave the MVP to a black player because it would mean that black players were just as good. It's shameful! Now the complicated: In the early years of the integration of baseball many average white players could play , but not for the black players. Most of them had to be good!. A average black player meant taking the job of a average white player and that was not going to happen. Economics. there were only so many MLB jobs. White players just had a better chance of just making it. Black players had to be good. It is what it is.
You know what? That sounds very true. Just look at that starting line up for the AL? Most were white. The Yankees (my favorite team here in New York) did not have a black player on it's roster until 1955 (Elston Howard), 8 years after Jackie Robinson broke the color line. The Boston Red Sox did not have their first black player until 1959 and was the last MLB franchise to do so when they have a chance to be the first, because they had a chance to sign Jackie Robinson before the Brooklyn Dodgers and passed up on signing him.
@@amazing50000 Right on. Great comment!
Starting in 1986 things started going the American League's way in the All Star Game
The Major Leagues expanded from 16 teams in 1960 to 20 teams in 1962. There were 25% more major league teams and 25% more jobs for players. The major leagues would expand to 24 teams in 1969. A 50% increase in the number of major league teams in nine years. There were jobs available for any decent major league caliber player. If anything, major league expansion meant careers were extended and rosters had players that wouldn't have been on major league teams before expansion. Baseball fans were actually complaining about the dilution of talent in baseball because there were so many more teams. The move to league divisions and a league championship series in 1969 also meant the end of great pennant races involving the entire league either as potential pennant winners or as spoilers that made baseball so popular in the US of A. You would never see anything like the 1967 American League pennant race again that involved virtually the entire league.
Racist Cincinnati Trading Frank Robinson was A shame To the Sport of Baseball An getting nothing in return.
crusader
That wasn't "racism," but merely stupidity. There is no "racism."
@@davidlafleche1142 Come on man everyone knows that racism is the reason for every injustice in the world now 😁 What happened to the dodo bird? Racism. Global warming? Racists caused it. And what about the wage parity? Racists. The price of gasoline ? Damned racists. Why do I have arthritis in my hands? Racism. Why was the mailman late last Wednesday? Racists.
And why did the Reds , with Concepcion and May and Perez and Foster and Bench and Borbon and one of the most diverse teams in the league win pennant just a few short yrs later? Racism
Machine Head Extended sarcasm can’t be blamed on racism though. Usually it’s wind & smoke from the intellectually impoverished.
@@abelincoln5698 The worst racists are in Hollywood, but they get a free pass.
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Geez NL lineup much more impressive. Hall of Famers galore. AL- Vic Davalilo, Met reject Felix Mantilla, Dick McAuliffe, Rocky Colavito.
Not sure what you're on about. You do know that all stars are picked on a yearly basis, right? That year Mantilla hit 18 home runs, drove in 92, following a season in which he had slugged 30. Rocky Colavito was a perennial all star, hit 374 career homers, including 30 plus seven times and 40 plus three times, led the league in RBI that year, and was noted for his strong throwing arm. McAuliffe was a middle infielder with pop, in an era when that rarely existed. True, these guys (Colavito excepted) don't rate with Mays, Aaron, and Stargell, etc, but none of them was anything like a major league bust.
obbor4 one lineup consists of future hall of famers and the other good or very good players. NL fielded more impressive lineup and dominated all star play during the era
@@obbor4 great comment.. u did ur home work!!
DON'T KNOCK THE ROCK!
@@obbor4 Good comments on Rocky Colavito....he was in Cleveland just 3 days ago, to unveil a statue of himself that Cleveland has built for him...Rocky is also one of only SIX players in the entire 152 year history of baseball since 1869 who has hit FOUR HOME RUNS in 4 consecutive at bats! An amazing feat, much more rare than even pitching a perfect game
Last year for Braves in Milwaukee. Lame duck season ordered by Wisconsin judge as owners wanted to relocate to Atlanta for
1965 season.
And of course fans stayed away in droves only drew about 550 000 for the year
The Killer! Go Twinkies! 😃⚾
Milt Pappas would be traded to Reds after season for Frank Robinson. One of the worst trades in history.
Imagine the Big Red Machine with Robinson. Probably would have won the world series in 70' 72' 73' with him.
@@toscodav I doubt it while Robinson's time playing into the 70s had declined for the Orioles to eventually trade him prior to the '72 season.
s@@toscodav Robinson was pretty effective until the early 70's. The Reds would have won in 72 had Robinson been on the team. Hell, they played about as bad as you can play and the A's still only barely beat them.
The Reds had so much talent that they got rid of guys like Bernie Carbo and Hal Mcrae, quality players who played on pennant winning teams.
Robby won the Triple Crown the next season. I don't think Pappas accomplished anything on that level.
@@rpc717 Except getting away with murder (his wife).