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The Insane Cost Of Owning A Vintage Ferrari!
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Today we are at H&S Motorsports for an engine out service on my Ferrari 512m. And boy is it expensive 😅
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Thanks for bringing us along! $25k doesn't seem like much for this absolute gem. But then you X this by the number of vehicles you own, ouch...
Nevertheless, really digging your content. You're well-spoken, charismatic, and energetic about everything you talk about.
Glad I found you and always looking forward to your newest videos.....
Truly appreciate the feedback.
Great video. 4 year $25000 servicing is more than I paid for the Ratarossa 87 TR .... which is in an equally pristine condition 🤣
Love it!
Love the content guys! I do think Harris needs to be questioned on modern belt technology. They are indeed updated from original of course belt material has increased in 25 years. I personally know a guy that has driven these new belts for 10 plus years and 30k miles on 355 and Testarossa with the modern belts still in good condition.
Yep, everything else is BS and for making money of service jobs
It's a great video, very interesting to see a mechanic finding and fixing issues with such knowledge.
Liking also the fast-placed information and back and forth.
Thank you very much!
@thegentlemansgarage_ no , thank you, sir, for showing your vechiles.
Great video with lots of information. I really enjoy watching your channel! Thank you for giving me the opportunity to live vicariously through you.
Glad you like them!
Also shows that US ferrari owners know very little about the brand history. No person in his right mind would paint pre 80s ferrari red in Europe. That is color for racing cars and their homologation specials. Not road cars.
Fun fact, enzo was not comfortable pushing technology. Which is why early on Jaguars were able to out brake enzo's cars at Le mans. Same for the F-40 vs the 959. The F40 was an old car when it was made, technologically.
Jap turbos not modern enuff 4 u? Okay. Im joking, I get your point.
Love your channel! So glad I came across it a few weeks ago. Congrats on almost hitting 10K subs! 100K coming soon for sure!
Welcome aboard!
Great video love hearing someone so knowledgeable about this epic V12!! Keep these videos coming.
Thanks! Will do!
Engine is a boxer actually.
Thank you Louis for taking us with you through the process of maintaining these older Ferraris, lots of great information in this video. I'm not sure how well connected the 512M registry is but there is a higher mile example in the BCS area that I had the opportunity to experience briefly until the brake warning light came on, which goes to your point that most of these either sit for a while or are challenging to maintain due to the costs associated, it ended up being a simple parking brake fix so no massive costs there thankfully. We were supposed to take the car to Houston for a couple events but ended up taking a 991 Turbo S which proved to be the better choice after an 18 hour day.
Cool thing about the "chalking" of the brake pads, I was unaware that was a thing. Glad to see someone using their 296 as it was intended.
Turbo s is certainly the “do it all very well” car! Lol. Yeah, chalking of brakes is still a running joke with my race team! Lol.
@@thegentlemansgarage_ It certainly is the do it all car, that particular car had 40k miles but marched comfortably into deep triple digits when driven as such.
If you have an open schedule the weekend of August 17-18th there is a "concours" style event Wheels Watches & Whiskey Saturday the 17th at the Stella Hotel. I think vehicle registration has closed but tickets are still available. We have our cars and coffee on the 18th at Century Square 11-2 if you're interested in that as well.
Superb video, thank you for posting. It’s clear you love your cars and fully appreciate what it takes to maintain them so they drive as they should.
As an F355 owner it’s interesting to see the differences on CZcams between servicing costs in the US and the UK ie: a regular annual service from a Ferrari specialist here would be around £1,000 ($1,300) and a full engine out service would be around £3,000 ($4,000) but it appears costs are much higher in the US (not sure why that would be)? That of course doesn’t include the extras when you receive the call “whilst we were in there, we found this” 😂
It’s also interesting that your tech mentioned a 5 year gap between engine out services on cars post 348’s due to the Kevlar belts they use. Wouldn’t disagree with that but a key component that also needs changing are the belt tensioners (if they fail the belt can be in perfect condition but if you jump a tooth or two you lose the engine) and as such I follow a 3 year cambelt change schedule on my car - no right or wrong here just the degree of paranoia of the owner!
Anyhow, you have a fabulous collection and I hope you have many years of enthusiastic motoring ahead of you driving IMO the most intoxicating car brand in the world.
Truly appreciate you being here!
Really helpful comments, hope to be in a Testarossa soon!
@@LeviticalLaws 👍 hope you get behind the wheel of one soon!
@@sultanoftippoo3857 Many thanks, very much appreciate it.
That mill, talk about a lump!!
Another wild video! The classics are so iconic. I think I’ve added Ferrari’s “7 year warranty” 0:18 to my bucket list.
Thanks for sharing! What do you think about the 458 market over the next couple of years?
458 is my favorite modern Ferrari, hands down. I think they will continue to do well in the market. It’s the end of an era!
@@thegentlemansgarage_I owned two 458's. Last was a Speciale. Wife hated it because you could hear every pebble hit the floor.😂. Now I want another Ferrari and it's hard for me to not buy a regular 458.
I gotta go drive the new ones. The 0-60 in 2 seconds sounds great though ala Sf90, but electric. I dunno. Tough decision.
Thanks for the tour of the shop you use. It's nice to see people use the cars for what they were built for.
15:00 Ferrari offered a 180 degree V12 engine, not a flat 12
Amazing video!
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at the beginning sublime 458 speciale aperta when a video on SA?
Soon!
Engine out every 4 years? Maybe Ferrari should hire some people from Toyota?
Quickly becoming a top channel for me! Thank you for sharing these videos with us all. I've never been a fan of the 512 M because I am a die-hard 80's poster kid and the original Testarossa is my favorite. But, this was very informational! I knew that the 512 M was rare but only 75 in the states?! Wow, this is something special. The last of the flat 12's. Beautiful Ferrari! Great video!
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video! Really puts a lot of things in perspective and helps us understand why these cars need engine out services. If you keep the car oem, then you have to understand the nuances of the tech and why things were done on a four year cycle. On top of that simple tricks for today’s belts for example don’t work on older style belts and engines where timing needs to be reset for optimal performance. ❤ this type of content and you bringing us along for it!
Louis, thank you for bring those numbers, I'm a mechanical engineer and I'm not surprise about the amount, like you said, old technology and today we cannot find good and trained professional to work on specific cars, same difficult if I need to do something more deep in my 1986 MB 420SEL. Thank you again!!!
Very welcome
When I was at Norwood's (Addison, TX) having my 360 serviced there was a 458 getting a replacement steering wheel module. One component of the assembly failed and it cost like $5k or more to replace the entire assembly (the individual component could not be replaced).
Handing out those kind of bills I wanna know what Harris is driving! Seriously though, there's no point in owning these beautiful pieces of art if you don't maintain them right. Love the respect you show to your cars. Another great video!
The main reason is that they are belt driven not chain. I did my 15k and then did my 30k early , engine out. SInce there are like 5 hoses, roughly, that deal with the radiator and you cant get to them with the engine in, it makes sense to do it on the out service, usually 30k service. It adds up, i think just those hoses and replace was $1k and my 30k service was around $8800. I've seen 30k services range from minimum $5k (i don't recommend usually belts only) to $20k. I love my TR's , of all my cars , the TR's , with their exhaust, how low they are and the Flat 12 at your back , is hard to beat. It was the last of the rear 12's (outside of enzo) since the maranello and then 599 were both front engine. You had a full gasket and motor rebuild and main issue is if the car isn't driven. These cars are meant to be driven. My mechanic told me one of the worse things for a ferrari, especially older ones, is not being driven. (where is the extra $25k coming from?) A full engine rebuild and new parts replacement from pistion, rods etc is pushing $65 ish.
If you can’t pay for the maintenance then don’t own a Ferrari
On the Testarossas you lower the whole subframe, pretty simple job
Hilarious how people grant credit to furr-are-E for the appearance of the cars. When point in fact, enzo never had an in-house design group.
I took the timing belts off my 355 after I bought it because they were left on for 10 years. They were remarkably intact. Very robust and would probably last another 10 but it's a big gamble people understandably won't take
What service on a 308 requires engine out? Replacement of timing belts and the clutch don't need engine removal.
It's normal to setup cams.
I notice this on the ferrari they hide alot parts in Difficult areas of the car so you can't work on it.
Great to see so much care going into your cars!
Would your driving require a similar amount again in 4 years or was it this price a one time thing because it was a garage queen before?
The rule of thumb is engine out every 3-5 years depending on driving variables. How often and how hard.
Beautiful car. Glad to see it driven by a true driver like you. 🎉
Thank you! 👍
As JP Morgan once said "If you have to ask how much, you probably can't afford it" seems apt when it comes to Ferrari ownership
Im a petrolhead of many years, but i must admit, I learned a lot from this video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
My 87' TR is going through a refresh/rebuild (Heads/Major/Clutch/Suspension/Etc.) and let's just say I could've bought a C8 for the cost....
$50k service jesus.
5:06 why you are easy to admire! Made to be driven!
Thx for sharing as ever great content
Thanks for watching!
From this video i found out that these engines are poore quality,all this work for not much miles,and 4 year period is crazy
interesting mashup on the thumbnail!!!
Boy we've gotten soft. You asked why would these hoses which are hidden by the engine in the expensive or any expensive car have to take out the engine to get to these obviously cheap hoses and pipes. Wouldn't these Exotic cars be better made ??? They're made like this to fleece the customers like most cars. It's all about these mobsters companies to sell you the expensive cars then make double the amount from all the owners with the same cheap shoddy parts. We know these greedy corrupt corporations know how to make real reliable cars. But they all got together and joined the club and agreed on planned Obsolescence parts to screw the customers. Hope the Japanese & Korean companies don't get conned by the huge Criminal corporations to do the same. I wish we could get Chinese cars & phones which they would probably build overly reliable which the United States & European car corporations would hate being they order faulty specs the Chinese to manufacture garbage parts to rob the customers.
Let's just say the guy wasn't the brightest little star in the classroom, no wonder he get's shafted but the mechanic, this car has disc brakes? Right!
What a Rip off. Timing belts & water pumps are rubber ??
Had a 454 gran pix. Water pump failed. Turns out the gears were plastic. Plastic???? We put metal ones in. These car companies build high price garbage. Change all those parts because you had the engine out ??? You might as well trade it for a new one. And that sounds normal to you because it a Ferrari ??? What a bunch of garbage. And you're going to put back oem parts that don't last????
So passive aggressive
Still Don't understand why owning any vehicle cost so much to repair. IT'S A CAR. Mostly the same engine in regular cars just more garbage parts on it. They want to sell you the expensive garbage filled cars and then have you in their repair shop change those faulty cheap planned Obsolescence parts.
Pick the wife up & take her out to dinner?
That's crazy. She, is the wife.
Just point her in the direction of the kitchen & tell her to get busy.
7:04 definitely not a diy channel yikes 😮
I spent $100 thousand servicing my Testarossa.
Wow! Id love to hear more about that!
@@thegentlemansgarage_ - nothing more to say - that's what it was. Wasn't too happy about it.
@@landonbarretto4933 I get it. I hope you’re getting to really enjoy it now!
Basically I’m hearing if you buy a used car, you’re gonna find the weak points from driving the piss out of it LOL.
I mean I would too!!!