FACK! I have a Mk7 GTI. I’ve been watching your videos and I’ve always been like “fuckin stage 1 316whp? No way..” stoked to see our car puts out! Appreciate the proof. Cheers
Thats crazy with just a tune.. these cars are nothing to be slept on. I scooted down an onramp with one a while back in my STI and was shocked that he was keeping up with me. Now i know why. Good job VW.
My buddy has a stage 2 sti and the vw seems to be on the same level! It's crazy...I'm not a vw fan boi but its hard to argue with after just a reflash!
That's great to know, saw the last video and my heart sank. I have apr stage 1 as well, and it sure feels like a HUGE boost in power, and now we know APR isn't messing with the numbers. I'm shocked more people don't go the APR route, and the hate is unreal, the whole Chevy/Ford deal. It's so easy and great day to day driver, it's a no brainer, get it done and no messing with dongles, hand held stuff, it just works and works great.
First off, a dyno is a tool for tuning. It's all about what you came in with vs what you left with (under the curve gains, etc). There are many different filters you can view the data with, and variables to consider. One dyno could say you make 400hp, another 350... it would still run the same 1/4 mile and trap speed. Stage 1 is probably 13s @ 103-107 mph car in the 1/4. It's a fun car, and I am considering getting another one for a DD. Don't get too caught up on dyno numbers people, that's for people who like to stand around parking lots and measure each other's genitals.
I kinda agree and I kinda disagree, % gain over stock is more important but actually meeting power estimates is also important. If a company is dating 300+ whp and they are only getting 270 that would be a major issue. So the fact it's with 10-15hp of the estimate is awesome.
@slow mazda oh it will walk all over a stage 2 gti. Lol, I get alot of upset faces. Yes it costs 10gs more but I get brembos, a crispy 6speed and a nice awd system. Which if you were to buy an R you would pay what I paid
@@nickdelong3537 if you put the R in the picture with a stage 2 tune it would be eating your STI considering it would probably keep up with hellcats at that point if everything is programmed right. Thats the difference there. I work at a carmax dealership where I get countless people selling me their sport cars and telling me their stories.
Yea, I met this genius GTI guy by accident one day, so weird, but he put me on the proper APR route, etc. This fucking old timer new everything about everything on VW.
Great numbers bro! I have a MK5 GTI DSG that I've been running APR stage 2 on since brand new..it now has 220k miles and has never given me any issues. APR is deff the way to go!
nice vdub.... I have a 2017 GTI autobahn. Whit APR stage 1 and a K&N cold air intake and my dyno run had 326 whp and 401 ftlb of torque at the wheels. It was 24 degrees out side on the day I dynoed it. I am putting a APR down pipe, APR 3" exhaust and stage two next week. I will let you know the dyno numbers with in a couple of days after.... I also in western pa, actually south western pa. about an hour south of pittsburg. Im using my wifes log in
Just subbed. I just bought a 2017 gti and went apr stage 1 instantly. These cars are just plain sick. I haven't had anybody leave me yet. I've literally walked on anything that has tried me. These cars are in a class of their own. I love your videos and look forward to seeing what else you do with your car. Thanks for your videos and time.
Joseph Torruella You may not walk away from a Mustang GT with 480HP, but still the GTI is an amazing little sleeper that will leave more than a few surprised hot hatch owners in the dust 😎
Nice vid man. I 2 have a GTI sport with an apr stage 1. Only difference is I have the 91 octane rated 1. It's suppose 2 have 305hp and 371trq. It's beastly...when the tires hook up.
I always change my oil every six months or 5000 miles whichever comes first. I use Pennzoil 5w-40 Euro synthetic in my MK7 and the Blackstone oil analysis shows impressive results using this oil.
Good numbers, I'm glad your clutch is holding up, I tuned my 2015 gti with Eurodyne stage 2 91oct hightorque, and my clutch started to slip the first time i went riding to test it in 4th, 5th, and i was just cruising on the highway, I tuned it down to stage 1.5 and it was still slipping, I had to go down to stage 1 for it not to slip as bad.
Oh man thats crazy...I haven't any clutch issues yet...I'm debating on going stage 2 on the stock clutch just to see what happens and see if it gives up the ghost lol!
Sick gains for around $600,...just spoke to VW earlier before even watching any of your videos and they mentioned APR stage 1 at around what you paid without any warranty promises from VW. Said if something major happens VW sees it when they plug in your ECU now where as in the past they couldn't. For between $1250-$1600 I think he said at VW they will Warranty the APR install straight form the dealer. Thought that might be some useful knowledge for anyone considering tuning. I like cheap, but we send a lot of money on our cars to not have them covered. Just a thought for everyone out there. Great videos!!!!
A couple folks have told me don't go through the dealership for cost savings, but I don't think the car will be under warranty unless it comes from the dealership, so for me I'd rather pay a few hundo more for peace of mine.
adunn413 That's a thousand dollar difference, if VW is getting behind APR that tells you it's a good safe tune. I thought I read that the VW backed tune was also not so" aggressive?"
I bought my 2018 new at the dealer and they install APR+ for 1,100 cash ,numbers are 291 with a lower tq curve set at 337 in order to keep alive the OEM clutch.I should be ok with any powertrain warranty claim. Clutch is holding fine and this tune was done with barely 28 miles on the clock...yeap...TWENTY EIGHT MILES
What are you running on your gti exactly? When I get my gti I want to base it on your gti. I was thinking about getting a golf r but i’d rather save 15k and get a stage 1 maybe even 2 into the gti.
A few questions : Back in the day I was in a mustang ( a stock 305 hp 5.0 ), it was an 89’ gt ), it threw my head back at take off.. I just bought a gti, picking it up Monday morning and have a stage 1 apr tube scheduled for Monday afternoon. They are guaranteeing a minimum of 90 horsepower increase and stock it sits at 236. It’s an autobahn model. 1. Will the stage 1 tune truly have that much of a gain where it’s felt that drastically? 2. Without hardware upgrades such as clutch, Cold air intake and an exhausted system will the gains be sustainable ? Meaning will my vehicle be subject to increased wear and tear ? I’ve heard that even with a stage 1 tune the clutch can slip occasionally…
I know you've done everything apr and I can see why with the history. I have been wanting to go mountune52 and wondered what if any knowledge you may have on their products. Their flash claims to not only deal with power but affects the handling and shift points. Just trying to find more info and seeing what's the best option for my money with longevity in mind. I'm running a mk7.5.
I know I’m watching this late but... I’m about to go APR stage 1 on my 2015 GTI DSG. I’m excited to give em all the full gapplebeez menu after watching this vid, those numbers are insane. More than that, everyone says the car feels very different after the tune. It shows those numbers well
I would have said 316hp at the flywheel at most, but no way to the wheels...WOW APR Stage 1 purchase on the way soon for my 2017 VW Golf GTI Autobahn DSG!! 😎
Just finished getting the APR Stage 1 ECU and DSG TCU tunes....WOW! Such a huge difference in power throughout the RPM range. But alas, my wallet hurts...ouch!
Oh man we both have GTI and S2000! Nice video! My GTI currently running APR stg2 with intercooler! Just a reminder to get stg2 asap if you are doing more racing, I was already saw 2 Audi A3 with APR stg1 blow their engine at race track(not drag racing) , and maybe Cali is way too hot, haha
Anyone who hates on this video drives a sti, facts or wishes they did. The same type of people who say glocks are the best pistols 😭 I only believe facts and facts are what this man provided me. 🙏🏼
Good numbers Russ, I have a MK7 GTI APR stage 1 and I’m under 4K miles, just installed my dp and I’m so ready to get to my tuner next week to get the stage 2! Are you doing a dyno run soon after you get your stage 2?
Those are good numbers at stage 1 and a mustang dyno. I'm so ready to go proper flash tuning or etuning. This JB4 custom tune is just not cutting it for me. I did a 275whp and 301wtq
Nice numbers. I keep hearing all sorts of different things about this - I have a new '17 GTI and want to go stage 1. I have a crap ton of warranty time left which I don't want to void since I've had a bad history of issues with my past VWs and everything with them seems to cost a small fortune to fix. What's the real story re APR and warranty - does it void it? Should I just wait until warranty is done and then go stage 1?
Sometimes you gotta just suck it up and say fuck the warranty and hope that your brand new car holds up haha thats what I did and I've never looked back!
Tuned my mk7 at 30k miles with plenty of warranty. Mods include: IE turbo muffler delete, GFB diverted valve, VWR short throw shifter and BFI weighted shift knob. The car is now at 55kcuz it’s my daily and it has ZERO issues.
You have to get the APR Plus tune if you want a warranty with it. The numbers are about the same as a APR Stage 1 Low Torque file. Except the warranty way will cost about $1100.
What prices are you guys being quoted for an APR stage 1 remap? My closest dealer wants $599 plus $50 to install (PLUS sales tax here in FL) its just too rich for me.
I am not suprised it made 319hp. The gtis are really sensitive to temp changes, when gets into the 40s mine has a lot more power than it does on a 80 degree day. and all of APRs number are done at like 70 degrees or something like that so its not that hard to believe it posted those kinds of numbers.
And still no clutch problems!? that blows my mind, you seen jr14 when he does Cobb stage 1 and ruins his clutch? That shit made me nervous to even entertain the idea of getting a tune.
MedicMagic that would be an awesome experiment but I'd hate to see you mess anything else up for the sake of knowing. Do you think your custom exhaust (cant remember what exactly you did to it)had anything to do with the additional power?
I sub'd to your channel specifically because I have a MK7 GTI with APR stage 1 93 oct. tune and an APR intake (amongst other mods but none that would affect power). I have been contemplating going stage 2 for over a year now since I have had zero problems with my current setup. I'm lookin forward to watching your results once you go the extra step. Are you planning on buying the APR downpipe? (that seems to be the way to go)
Hey man love the Channel. I have a mk7 Gti I’m about to do apr stage 1 this week I wanted to know do u have any issues with traction. I mean I’m sure in first gear but any other gears are you able to get the power all the way to the road?
If you just drive normally its just fine through all the gears but on the other hand if you turn off traction control I can break tire through third gear
Most of the top Stage 1 tunes show about 80 - 90 HP gains over stock. I have a ED Stage 1.5 (basically the high torque version of Stage 1) and get about 310 whp and about 370 TQ. APRs own website shows a Stage 1 tunes being 316hp but this varies by dyno and things like temp and altitude. The reason most people underestimate them is they take the stock number (210) and add the gain (87) and think they're going to be 290 something. The reality is, the non-pp GTIs really back about 215 - 220hp at the wheels, and the PP GTIs are over 230. VW under-rates them for marketing reasons. 87hp gain on 230 is 317 (and when tuning it doesn't matter whether you have the PP or nonPP, you get the same end result). Nice vid. Subbed.
Thats all very true man1 I'm very impressed with the numbers and I do believe that vw sandbags their numbers from the factory! Thanks for watching and the sub more stuff to come...going stage 2 very soon!
New Sub here like the channel. Owner of an MK6 GTI with DSG bought it new and it's paid for bone stock with 47k miles. I think it's time to tune but I'm going with Unitronic stage 1 to start then go from there. Probably after the holidays. 👍
Is your car DSG or manual? Do you have a DSG tune or an upgraded clutch? And what octane fuel/tune are you using? And since that's a mustang dyno are those corrected or uncorrected power numbers? Also what was the temperature outside on the day of the dyno?
his car is a manual as u can seen it shifting in video, usually people will upgrade their clutch when they tune. as for dsg, ur going to be fine with stage 1 ecu tune, recommended one stage 1 dsg tune after stage 2.
I just got a 2016 GTI Dsg automatic non-pp. Thinking about getting the stage 1, and nothing further afterwords. I heard that you have to keep the stock intake with a stage 1 is that true? Is it worth getting the stage 1 for the automatic Tran
No you definitely don't have to keep the stock intake...I ran my intake for awhile before I got tuned for stage 2! And I'm not quite sure about the trans but I'm sure that it would make a big difference especially with the new power you're going to have! Thanks for watching!
I'm getting mine done this Monday morning coming up.. the guy is a Revo dealer though.. I did ask about the APR.. which he said has a few more extras(not really sure what he meant by that but he claimed that most don't even use the extras that they have for a higher price) anywho he said will do a dyno run before the install.. and after the stage 1 we will see the numbers and hes claiming it should be 313whp and the cost is $635 out the door.
Looking at buying a 2017/2018 sometime next year and your videos are dope and just make me fuckin excited haha. Appreciate it man! Having trouble finding what I want in Dayton Ohio though.
The dyno sheet actually said engine horsepower (flywheel, unless thats the wheel you’re meaning?) 319hp at the fly seems correct, as 316 is whats stated by apr in the uk running 98/99 ron (octane) fuel. 319hp at the wheels seems incorrect as that would ROUGHLY mean about 340/350hp at the engine. Also what did it run on the dyno before the tune was fitted as that would let you know how accurate the dyno is.
APR stage one is insane on these cars - I run a 2015 DSG with stage 1 and started off with the high output tune for a few months and eventually got it adjusted to the low output tune for drivability and longevity, but I have to admit the HO tune made me laugh out loud every time I gunned it, ridiculous.
Anyone who knows a little bit about tuning, do I need to purchase the stage 1 tune before upgrading to a stage 2 tune? Or can I go from stock to stage 2 without paying for the stage 1
Solid number for a MD...seems like it reads more like a DJ. This car trapped 106 or 107 with 319 MD? I know they're all a little different but I know cars that made 330 MD and trapped 116! Super impressive got stage 1 either way. These cars really impress me!
Yeah I was honestly a little worried about it being a mustang dyno and giving low numbers but now I'm convinced! When we drag raced it we were having a lot of traction issues which was hurting the trap speed. This coming season though is going to be epic with a lot more videos to come. Im pumped! Thanks for watching!
That's ridiculous, honestly all you really want in a front-wheel drive car. My car is stock and I still break traction all the time, I'm on performance tires too.
Yeah I've always heard mustang dynos give low numbers which makes me happy since it was 319...a dynajet might be 330 or higher lol! Stage 2 coming as soon as we get 1k subs!
I'm gonna get mine dyno'd over here in WA. I'm on the MA Performance stage 1 91 w/intake. I'd like to be over 300 whp, that be nice to be 319! Keep up the good work dude!
Steve Barber very interested to hear what that tune puts down. Pretty sure their stage one is pretty comparable but APR has the highest for stage 2 that I've seen. I know JR14 fried his clutch with that MA Performance so it's got to have some power for you.
Edwin Duran just hit 55k, APR stage 1 flash happened at 30k. Not issues at all! I do my own maintenance using liquid molly for the oil and good spark plugs. use all German performance so it lasts :)
Have a look at the APR website - www.goapr.co.uk/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsi_gen3_mqb.html It states that Stage 1 is 316bhp and standard is 235bhp (APR Measured). Are you telling me that VW said the Golf GTi MK7 makes 235wbhp standard? Manufacturers give it at crank.
They either using a engine dynameter which gives them crank numbers (having the motor out of the car and running it) or they're using a correction formula factoring in friction loss. Either way the dyno we used measures wheel horse power, not crank since it's recording the numbers at the wheels. Check this out - www.onallcylinders.com/2012/05/11/dyno-duel-engine-vs-chassis-dynos-what-you-should-know/
So the issue I have is if I go to get a apr tune, they don't even offer this, or have changed their numbers. Because their own page on ecs says 250 hp... I literally used your link. And they are telling people you have to be in Ohio to get the tune.
Yeah i don't mess with these cars. Tunes makes the same power as I do but I Haag to swap the turbo to get that type of power lol X37 turbo (240whp/93oct, wasn't running the 285whp/e30 tune against a stock appearing gli we were fender to fender until I let off and saw Apr sticker on the back lol. I'm like this is bs lol. Though mine isn't a straight line car
Haha I love the sleeper aspect of it. You're car sounds sweet like it would be sweet though. I was considering one of those when I initially was looking! Thanks for watching!
Wtf how is that possible. Gti from factory puts down 228 at the crank so would be like 180ish at the wheels right? So you’re telling me with just a STAGE 1 tune it gains 140 whp??? I thought it was supposed to increase by like 60-70hp max? Am I getting that right or do these cars actually put more than claimed when stock?
I have a '15 GTI and change my oil every 5,000 miles. In my opinion, after owning two MK5 GTIs and now a MK7 GTI, it is very much worth it. Depending on where you live and how greedy your dealer is, an oil change should cost around $70 or so.
SuperNova0216 well my dealer uses Castrol, probably not as good as the Liquid Molly. But for $65 after a mail in rebate I can’t complain, plus free snacks in the waiting room and a hot secretary!
Sadly the gauge in the car isn't accurate to atmospheric pressure at all and reads about 40 psi lol so I'm really not 100% sure but I think its around 14psi in the real world lol
MedicMagic just gotta get an obd2 wifi of bluetooth dongle and use that. Thats what i did before i wwnt cobb ap. Or subtract 14.5 from what your car gauge says as its absolute pressure
Dang! 306whp 364tq corrected with just stage 1 that's freakin impressive
FACK! I have a Mk7 GTI. I’ve been watching your videos and I’ve always been like “fuckin stage 1 316whp? No way..” stoked to see our car puts out! Appreciate the proof. Cheers
Thats crazy with just a tune.. these cars are nothing to be slept on. I scooted down an onramp with one a while back in my STI and was shocked that he was keeping up with me. Now i know why. Good job VW.
My buddy has a stage 2 sti and the vw seems to be on the same level! It's crazy...I'm not a vw fan boi but its hard to argue with after just a reflash!
You realize an STI is barely making 250 whp right?
STI are slow though
yeah my stage 1 WRX MAPerformance 93 tuned, Apv3, K&N Intake, Invidia N1 Single Exit Catback, gaps STI's. #Fa20
Chonch stis are garbage cars though lol
That's great to know, saw the last video and my heart sank. I have apr stage 1 as well, and it sure feels like a HUGE boost in power, and now we know APR isn't messing with the numbers.
I'm shocked more people don't go the APR route, and the hate is unreal, the whole Chevy/Ford deal. It's so easy and great day to day driver, it's a no brainer, get it done and no messing with dongles, hand held stuff, it just works and works great.
4 door hatchback with 319whp that will take a v8...it's a no brainer lol!!
First off, a dyno is a tool for tuning. It's all about what you came in with vs what you left with (under the curve gains, etc). There are many different filters you can view the data with, and variables to consider. One dyno could say you make 400hp, another 350... it would still run the same 1/4 mile and trap speed. Stage 1 is probably 13s @ 103-107 mph car in the 1/4. It's a fun car, and I am considering getting another one for a DD. Don't get too caught up on dyno numbers people, that's for people who like to stand around parking lots and measure each other's genitals.
I kinda agree and I kinda disagree, % gain over stock is more important but actually meeting power estimates is also important. If a company is dating 300+ whp and they are only getting 270 that would be a major issue. So the fact it's with 10-15hp of the estimate is awesome.
well said, my STi makes 306/341 and eats stage 2 GTIs all day. Used to have a tuned Audi but had to get something newer, less work
@slow mazda oh it will walk all over a stage 2 gti. Lol, I get alot of upset faces. Yes it costs 10gs more but I get brembos, a crispy 6speed and a nice awd system. Which if you were to buy an R you would pay what I paid
@@nickdelong3537 and you get a shitty interior to go with it! Congratulations 😊
@@nickdelong3537 if you put the R in the picture with a stage 2 tune it would be eating your STI considering it would probably keep up with hellcats at that point if everything is programmed right. Thats the difference there. I work at a carmax dealership where I get countless people selling me their sport cars and telling me their stories.
That's insane numbers def makes me want to go the APR route.
Yea, I met this genius GTI guy by accident one day, so weird, but he put me on the proper APR route, etc. This fucking old timer new everything about everything on VW.
👏👏👏for the stock clutch. I def didn't expect those numbers
lol it's gonna give up the ghost fast as fuck when I go stage 2!
APR just released a "Bangs and pops" mode for Stage 2, so YOU GOTTA DO THAT LOL
The exhaust is going to sound crazy
When I hit 1k subs I'll keep my promise and go stage 2 for everyone!
Yep, im excited for this. Bout to make 500 new CZcams accounts and get you there hahahah
LOL leh do it
5hp per crackle.
What did the gti have at this point?
Just apr stage 1 software? I think you did your intake after right?
Great numbers bro! I have a MK5 GTI DSG that I've been running APR stage 2 on since brand new..it now has 220k miles and has never given me any issues. APR is deff the way to go!
2006 MK5 dsg, apr stage 1. 170k miles. Runs like a champ
is stage 1 ecu tune really that noticeable of an upgrade?
@@JAG0071877 yea. Extra 100lb/ft of torque is definitely noticeable
@@JAG0071877 I think they make more stock than what vw says.
This are reliable for the most part??
Wow im surprised with apr....love your channel medicmagic
I got my SwankyMods shirt last week in the mail. Nice quality and very stylish. #StaySwanky and congrats on the dyno numbers!
Hey Mr.Kennedy thanks for the business!
nice vdub.... I have a 2017 GTI autobahn. Whit APR stage 1 and a K&N cold air intake and my dyno run had 326 whp and 401 ftlb of torque at the wheels. It was 24 degrees out side on the day I dynoed it. I am putting a APR down pipe, APR 3" exhaust and stage two next week. I will let you know the dyno numbers with in a couple of days after.... I also in western pa, actually south western pa. about an hour south of pittsburg. Im using my wifes log in
Just subbed. I just bought a 2017 gti and went apr stage 1 instantly. These cars are just plain sick. I haven't had anybody leave me yet. I've literally walked on anything that has tried me. These cars are in a class of their own. I love your videos and look forward to seeing what else you do with your car. Thanks for your videos and time.
Joseph Torruella You may not walk away from a Mustang GT with 480HP, but still the GTI is an amazing little sleeper that will leave more than a few surprised hot hatch owners in the dust 😎
What did it do to your warranty?
Nice vid man. I 2 have a GTI sport with an apr stage 1. Only difference is I have the 91 octane rated 1. It's suppose 2 have 305hp and 371trq. It's beastly...when the tires hook up.
When it actually hooks up its insane! Thanks for watching!
I always change my oil every six months or 5000 miles whichever comes first. I use Pennzoil 5w-40 Euro synthetic in my MK7 and the Blackstone oil analysis shows impressive results using this oil.
Good numbers, I'm glad your clutch is holding up, I tuned my 2015 gti with Eurodyne stage 2 91oct hightorque, and my clutch started to slip the first time i went riding to test it in 4th, 5th, and i was just cruising on the highway, I tuned it down to stage 1.5 and it was still slipping, I had to go down to stage 1 for it not to slip as bad.
Oh man thats crazy...I haven't any clutch issues yet...I'm debating on going stage 2 on the stock clutch just to see what happens and see if it gives up the ghost lol!
SWEEEEEEEEEEEET
I knew My APR Tuned GTI felt stronger than the numbers stated, but THAT is crazy.
319 FTW...go walk on sti's... rs's and what not lol!
Sick gains for around $600,...just spoke to VW earlier before even watching any of your videos and they mentioned APR stage 1 at around what you paid without any warranty promises from VW. Said if something major happens VW sees it when they plug in your ECU now where as in the past they couldn't. For between $1250-$1600 I think he said at VW they will Warranty the APR install straight form the dealer. Thought that might be some useful knowledge for anyone considering tuning. I like cheap, but we send a lot of money on our cars to not have them covered. Just a thought for everyone out there. Great videos!!!!
Great info! I never even talked to my dealer just because I didn't want them to be suspicious of anything lol Thanks for watching!
A couple folks have told me don't go through the dealership for cost savings, but I don't think the car will be under warranty unless it comes from the dealership, so for me I'd rather pay a few hundo more for peace of mine.
adunn413
That's a thousand dollar difference, if VW is getting behind APR that tells you it's a good safe tune. I thought I read that the VW backed tune was also not so" aggressive?"
adunn413
And by the way, I've been noticing a lot of people getting this phrase "peace of mine" wrong all over the place, its "PEACE of MIND"....
I bought my 2018 new at the dealer and they install APR+ for 1,100 cash ,numbers are 291 with a lower tq curve set at 337 in order to keep alive the OEM clutch.I should be ok with any powertrain warranty claim.
Clutch is holding fine and this tune was done with barely 28 miles on the clock...yeap...TWENTY EIGHT MILES
Those numbers are INSANE. Would love to do this, but still have 6 years or 71,400 miles left on the warranty.
It doesn't void your warranty. VW will do it for you.
The stock boost gauge is atmospheric pressure, psia, you subtract 14.7 psi to to get to actual boost psi
What are you running on your gti exactly? When I get my gti I want to base it on your gti. I was thinking about getting a golf r but i’d rather save 15k and get a stage 1 maybe even 2 into the gti.
Wow... 319 whp is crazy but I thought I heard you wrong when you said 380 wtq. That's mental!!
Nope it’s pretty impressive...I’m hoping to get it back after the stage 2 tune!
I wonder what difference in power is with only 91 octane as opposed to your 93, my guess is 290-300hp
A few questions :
Back in the day I was in a mustang ( a stock 305 hp 5.0 ), it was an 89’ gt ), it threw my head back at take off..
I just bought a gti, picking it up Monday morning and have a stage 1 apr tube scheduled for Monday afternoon.
They are guaranteeing a minimum of 90 horsepower increase and stock it sits at 236.
It’s an autobahn model.
1. Will the stage 1 tune truly have that much of a gain where it’s felt that drastically?
2. Without hardware upgrades such as clutch, Cold air intake and an exhausted system will the gains be sustainable ? Meaning will my vehicle be subject to increased wear and tear ?
I’ve heard that even with a stage 1 tune the clutch can slip occasionally…
Mod list please !!! Miss my old MK5 GTI K04. Had stage 3 apr tune @ 360hp. Imagine now mk7 getting tune! Lmk please !!
I just saw your video of when you got your APR stage 1 tune 5 years ago. Did you have any clutch issues?
I know you've done everything apr and I can see why with the history. I have been wanting to go mountune52 and wondered what if any knowledge you may have on their products. Their flash claims to not only deal with power but affects the handling and shift points. Just trying to find more info and seeing what's the best option for my money with longevity in mind. I'm running a mk7.5.
I know I’m watching this late but... I’m about to go APR stage 1 on my 2015 GTI DSG. I’m excited to give em all the full gapplebeez menu after watching this vid, those numbers are insane. More than that, everyone says the car feels very different after the tune. It shows those numbers well
The car is an entirely different animal after the tune, you won’t be disappointed!
Which stage 1 tune did you have? 87,91,93? Low or high torque? Or was there only 1 stage 1 tune offered at the time?
I would have said 316hp at the flywheel at most, but no way to the wheels...WOW APR Stage 1 purchase on the way soon for my 2017 VW Golf GTI Autobahn DSG!! 😎
Yasss!
Don’t forget the dsg tune it’s worth it
papichulo Definitely!
Just finished getting the APR Stage 1 ECU and DSG TCU tunes....WOW! Such a huge difference in power throughout the RPM range. But alas, my wallet hurts...ouch!
@@Great_America how much did everything run you?
Oh man we both have GTI and S2000! Nice video! My GTI currently running APR stg2 with intercooler! Just a reminder to get stg2 asap if you are doing more racing, I was already saw 2 Audi A3 with APR stg1 blow their engine at race track(not drag racing) , and maybe Cali is way too hot, haha
Lol s2k and gti life ftw...I hope my car dosen't give up the ghost lol I'm going stage 2 here soon once we get up to 1k subs!
Thanks for the info. I was going to do an APR 1 on my 2017 GTI, but since I do track days a few times a year, I guess it is a bad idea.
I just bought this tune, wow can't wait to feel the pull after I get it flashed.
hey any updates? how is the reliability?
Anyone who hates on this video drives a sti, facts or wishes they did. The same type of people who say glocks are the best pistols 😭 I only believe facts and facts are what this man provided me. 🙏🏼
At 4:33, what shot out from the front grill next to the drivers headlight?
Good numbers Russ, I have a MK7 GTI APR stage 1 and I’m under 4K miles, just installed my dp and I’m so ready to get to my tuner next week to get the stage 2! Are you doing a dyno run soon after you get your stage 2?
Thanks! And yeah I'm planning on doing another dyno run here real soon since I just got the stage 2 tune. You're gonna love it! Thanks for watching!
Did you have any other mods with the stage 1, like an intercooler or cai?
Not bad those are solid numbers
it's only $700 though? that's awesome!
Those are good numbers at stage 1 and a mustang dyno. I'm so ready to go proper flash tuning or etuning. This JB4 custom tune is just not cutting it for me. I did a 275whp and 301wtq
Go apr!! I should really be getting a cut of their profits from how many customers I'm sending their way haha
Mark7 GTI those are solid numbers but yea a proper tune is a must for these kitties
But how? I made 286 whp and 327lb tq on jb1 with map 1.
No clue, George from Burger tuned it for me
Add more, I was at 300whp and 364lb with jb4 and downpipe on 92 octane.
319whp in freezing ass November... I would hope those uncorrected numbers were that high
Nice numbers. I keep hearing all sorts of different things about this - I have a new '17 GTI and want to go stage 1. I have a crap ton of warranty time left which I don't want to void since I've had a bad history of issues with my past VWs and everything with them seems to cost a small fortune to fix. What's the real story re APR and warranty - does it void it? Should I just wait until warranty is done and then go stage 1?
Sometimes you gotta just suck it up and say fuck the warranty and hope that your brand new car holds up haha thats what I did and I've never looked back!
Get a jb4
I have stage 1 tune and no problems so far except for some light clutch slip
Tuned my mk7 at 30k miles with plenty of warranty. Mods include: IE turbo muffler delete, GFB diverted valve, VWR short throw shifter and BFI weighted shift knob. The car is now at 55kcuz it’s my daily and it has ZERO issues.
You have to get the APR Plus tune if you want a warranty with it. The numbers are about the same as a APR Stage 1 Low Torque file. Except the warranty way will cost about $1100.
What prices are you guys being quoted for an APR stage 1 remap? My closest dealer wants $599 plus $50 to install (PLUS sales tax here in FL) its just too rich for me.
That’s a really good deal I paid iver $600 with it being on sale
@@Russellscottx good to hear they aren't trying to rip me off. Enjoy the golf man
What Dyno was this on? A dynojet?
I am not suprised it made 319hp. The gtis are really sensitive to temp changes, when gets into the 40s mine has a lot more power than it does on a 80 degree day. and all of APRs number are done at like 70 degrees or something like that so its not that hard to believe it posted those kinds of numbers.
Like your vid. thanks what else have you done your gti
Damn, well this is a good ad for apr.
I was considering the jb4, but ferk man 319 that's good shit.
Thanks for this
And still no clutch problems!? that blows my mind, you seen jr14 when he does Cobb stage 1 and ruins his clutch? That shit made me nervous to even entertain the idea of getting a tune.
Kyle Ebbitt jr14 also did a lot of dumping the clutch burn outs. That can't be good for a stock clutch..
Still no clutch problems.. I was thinking going stage 2 with the stock clutch and seeing how much it can take haha
P8ntballa hahah he sure as fuck did! He was ROASTING THEM RUBBERS. gotta do it for the slow mo tho 👍👍
MedicMagic that would be an awesome experiment but I'd hate to see you mess anything else up for the sake of knowing.
Do you think your custom exhaust (cant remember what exactly you did to it)had anything to do with the additional power?
My 2020 gli apr stage 1 and DSG high torque on 93 is 321 to the wheel and from 258 torque too 351 ,love it
I sub'd to your channel specifically because I have a MK7 GTI with APR stage 1 93 oct. tune and an APR intake (amongst other mods but none that would affect power). I have been contemplating going stage 2 for over a year now since I have had zero problems with my current setup. I'm lookin forward to watching your results once you go the extra step. Are you planning on buying the APR downpipe? (that seems to be the way to go)
It’s coming here very soon and I’m excited to shoot a bunch of videos of the experience!
How much does the stage 1 Cost for the GTI ?
Hey man love the Channel. I have a mk7 Gti I’m about to do apr stage 1 this week I wanted to know do u have any issues with traction. I mean I’m sure in first gear but any other gears are you able to get the power all the way to the road?
If you just drive normally its just fine through all the gears but on the other hand if you turn off traction control I can break tire through third gear
Ok but with traction control on. If u get on it u can get the power to the floor for the most part?
Most of the top Stage 1 tunes show about 80 - 90 HP gains over stock. I have a ED Stage 1.5 (basically the high torque version of Stage 1) and get about 310 whp and about 370 TQ. APRs own website shows a Stage 1 tunes being 316hp but this varies by dyno and things like temp and altitude. The reason most people underestimate them is they take the stock number (210) and add the gain (87) and think they're going to be 290 something. The reality is, the non-pp GTIs really back about 215 - 220hp at the wheels, and the PP GTIs are over 230. VW under-rates them for marketing reasons. 87hp gain on 230 is 317 (and when tuning it doesn't matter whether you have the PP or nonPP, you get the same end result). Nice vid. Subbed.
Thats all very true man1 I'm very impressed with the numbers and I do believe that vw sandbags their numbers from the factory! Thanks for watching and the sub more stuff to come...going stage 2 very soon!
Zoolookuk I completely agree with that, VW does look like they underrate their numbers. It’s good for us consumers haha
New Sub here like the channel. Owner of an MK6 GTI with DSG bought it new and it's paid for bone stock with 47k miles. I think it's time to tune but I'm going with Unitronic stage 1 to start then go from there. Probably after the holidays. 👍
It's time to make some powaa! Thanks for watching!
Got a Mk7 with Unitronic Stage 1+ ECU + Stage 1 DSG, and I love the ability to tune at home with going to the shop, which is 80 miles away
How's reliability been for you?
Is it worth it? I have a 2016 gli
Do you still have your GTI? Who tuned it?
Is your car DSG or manual? Do you have a DSG tune or an upgraded clutch? And what octane fuel/tune are you using? And since that's a mustang dyno are those corrected or uncorrected power numbers? Also what was the temperature outside on the day of the dyno?
his car is a manual as u can seen it shifting in video, usually people will upgrade their clutch when they tune. as for dsg, ur going to be fine with stage 1 ecu tune, recommended one stage 1 dsg tune after stage 2.
You should put your mod list in the description of every video
Will do for my next videos!
Awesome information thank you.
I appreciate that man! Thanks for being a loyal sub!
What mods did u have on car
Did you have to change the clutch to get the stage one?
Matt Leonardis check out APR’s page it’ll answer everything
I just got a 2016 GTI Dsg automatic non-pp. Thinking about getting the stage 1, and nothing further afterwords. I heard that you have to keep the stock intake with a stage 1 is that true? Is it worth getting the stage 1 for the automatic Tran
No you definitely don't have to keep the stock intake...I ran my intake for awhile before I got tuned for stage 2! And I'm not quite sure about the trans but I'm sure that it would make a big difference especially with the new power you're going to have! Thanks for watching!
MedicMagic Niice. And awesome vids & ride.
Did he retain the same fuel economy after the tune?
Do you have a dsg or 6 speed
What did it make stock at the wheels on the same dyno? The only way to understand actual gains
I'm getting mine done this Monday morning coming up.. the guy is a Revo dealer though.. I did ask about the APR.. which he said has a few more extras(not really sure what he meant by that but he claimed that most don't even use the extras that they have for a higher price) anywho he said will do a dyno run before the install.. and after the stage 1 we will see the numbers and hes claiming it should be 313whp and the cost is $635 out the door.
Dumb question. What makes it stage 1? Is it a full package or is it just intake tune and exhaust? How many psi?
It’s just a reflash of the ecu! It adjust timing and boost to increase horsepower! Nothing else is needed
Those numbers sound right. My stage one mk5 jetta runs 260whp 300pound of torque to the wheels
Thats awesome...I almost bought a mk5 about 6 years ago and It was the first time I experienced boost and I fell in love with the gti!
MedicMagic yea it’s addictive now I️ need to go bigger turbo lol
Does stage 1 kills mpg ??
Looking at buying a 2017/2018 sometime next year and your videos are dope and just make me fuckin excited haha. Appreciate it man! Having trouble finding what I want in Dayton Ohio though.
Thanks man I appreciate that! But just keep looking...for me it always seemed like they came in waves on autotrader or cargurus!
MedicMagic appreciate it! I'll keep my eye out. Definitely not trying to rush haha.
The dyno sheet actually said engine horsepower (flywheel, unless thats the wheel you’re meaning?)
319hp at the fly seems correct, as 316 is whats stated by apr in the uk running 98/99 ron (octane) fuel.
319hp at the wheels seems incorrect as that would ROUGHLY mean about 340/350hp at the engine.
Also what did it run on the dyno before the tune was fitted as that would let you know how accurate the dyno is.
Its a dyno.
Dynos read both ... 😔
Built mk5 gti here everything but internals and I only made 337hp... that's pretty sweet dude
Thats still killer! Thanks for watching!
Got a stage 2 meth kit installed yesterday.. I'm looking to make 350 360
I had a K04 MK6 and have a 2017 now. These motors are crazy, Stage 2 will be right about where I was K04.
My brother put down 306/365 apr stage 1 and intake.
APR stage one is insane on these cars - I run a 2015 DSG with stage 1 and started off with the high output tune for a few months and eventually got it adjusted to the low output tune for drivability and longevity, but I have to admit the HO tune made me laugh out loud every time I gunned it, ridiculous.
That darn 5.0 has to much torque lol. It's ok we will be victorious on the curvy roads and not the straight away :)
Anyone who knows a little bit about tuning, do I need to purchase the stage 1 tune before upgrading to a stage 2 tune? Or can I go from stock to stage 2 without paying for the stage 1
You can go right to stage 2...you just need a downpipe is all
How reliable is this
No info about your AFR’s?? What we really wanna know is how healthy this tune is. If it’s all kosher than that makes this shit even MORE impressive.
Solid number for a MD...seems like it reads more like a DJ. This car trapped 106 or 107 with 319 MD? I know they're all a little different but I know cars that made 330 MD and trapped 116! Super impressive got stage 1 either way. These cars really impress me!
Yeah I was honestly a little worried about it being a mustang dyno and giving low numbers but now I'm convinced! When we drag raced it we were having a lot of traction issues which was hurting the trap speed. This coming season though is going to be epic with a lot more videos to come. Im pumped! Thanks for watching!
I trapped 110mph in my DSG APR MK7 GTi in the 1/4 miles. I just have APR stage 1 tune
Hell yeah!! Whats ask your mods, intake, exhaust and tune ?
Just the tune and a custom made muffler delete!! Thats it!
Wow! Now I know not do get a intake or 3" exhaust.... lol
i like your content subbed
Nice...wish somebody would do this on a stage 2 Unitronic
Thanks for watching man!
That's ridiculous, honestly all you really want in a front-wheel drive car. My car is stock and I still break traction all the time, I'm on performance tires too.
I think I found my new daily...
I’m more impressed with the torque holy shit
Thanks for the info. Can you show us the dyno sheet?
Alex Ranarivelo he did show it lol
No, a close up where you can see the RPM at which it makes the power.
Awesome dude! Curious though, the mustang dyno usually shows lower numbers, not this time? I wonder what it would show on a Dynajet?
Yeah I've always heard mustang dynos give low numbers which makes me happy since it was 319...a dynajet might be 330 or higher lol! Stage 2 coming as soon as we get 1k subs!
I'm gonna get mine dyno'd over here in WA. I'm on the MA Performance stage 1 91 w/intake. I'd like to be over 300 whp, that be nice to be 319! Keep up the good work dude!
do you have the cobb tune from MA Performance?
Yup!
Steve Barber very interested to hear what that tune puts down. Pretty sure their stage one is pretty comparable but APR has the highest for stage 2 that I've seen. I know JR14 fried his clutch with that MA Performance so it's got to have some power for you.
How reliable are these things ? Im thinking about picking one of these up.
I've had zero issues so far and I'm at almost 30,000 miles of abuse.
Edwin Duran just hit 55k, APR stage 1 flash happened at 30k. Not issues at all! I do my own maintenance using liquid molly for the oil and good spark plugs. use all German performance so it lasts :)
You do realise that 319bhp was at the crank yes? This is one of the funniest videos I've watched in a long time!
Hey Nick, dyno's measure wheel horse power not crank but thanks for watching!
Have a look at the APR website - www.goapr.co.uk/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsi_gen3_mqb.html
It states that Stage 1 is 316bhp and standard is 235bhp (APR Measured). Are you telling me that VW said the Golf GTi MK7 makes 235wbhp standard? Manufacturers give it at crank.
They either using a engine dynameter which gives them crank numbers (having the motor out of the car and running it) or they're using a correction formula factoring in friction loss. Either way the dyno we used measures wheel horse power, not crank since it's recording the numbers at the wheels. Check this out - www.onallcylinders.com/2012/05/11/dyno-duel-engine-vs-chassis-dynos-what-you-should-know/
So the issue I have is if I go to get a apr tune, they don't even offer this, or have changed their numbers. Because their own page on ecs says 250 hp... I literally used your link.
And they are telling people you have to be in Ohio to get the tune.
Anyone use this on a sportwagen?
Yeah i don't mess with these cars. Tunes makes the same power as I do but I Haag to swap the turbo to get that type of power lol
X37 turbo (240whp/93oct, wasn't running the 285whp/e30 tune against a stock appearing gli we were fender to fender until I let off and saw Apr sticker on the back lol. I'm like this is bs lol. Though mine isn't a straight line car
Haha I love the sleeper aspect of it. You're car sounds sweet like it would be sweet though. I was considering one of those when I initially was looking! Thanks for watching!
MedicMagic then I found out it's not the same engine as the gti... so I know for sure I'd get my ass kicked even with the e30 tune lol
Is that an SAE corrected, STD corrected or uncorrected number?
The 319 was uncorrected and the weather that day helped a lot...corrected was 309 I think
Thanks for watching!
The guage does not account for atmospheric pressure
Wtf how is that possible. Gti from factory puts down 228 at the crank so would be like 180ish at the wheels right? So you’re telling me with just a STAGE 1 tune it gains 140 whp??? I thought it was supposed to increase by like 60-70hp max? Am I getting that right or do these cars actually put more than claimed when stock?
Vw sandbags their numbers
Crazy to think that people do 10k mile oil changes 😳
Abel S550 GT
With ya on that, I do every 5k
I do every 3k miles or 3 months which ever comes first.. matter of fact my friend gives me $5 for my oil.. cause he then puts it in his car.. lol
I have a '15 GTI and change my oil every 5,000 miles. In my opinion, after owning two MK5 GTIs and now a MK7 GTI, it is very much worth it. Depending on where you live and how greedy your dealer is, an oil change should cost around $70 or so.
derekjlight I buy my oil kit online, I use the Liquid Molly. Smooooooth stuff, def recommend it and it’s like 60 so not bad at all
SuperNova0216 well my dealer uses Castrol, probably not as good as the Liquid Molly. But for $65 after a mail in rebate I can’t complain, plus free snacks in the waiting room and a hot secretary!
derekjlight hahah it’s the secretary that does it haha yea that’s a good deal
Sorry I see now that was uncorrected power numbers and with corrections you made 306hp and 364 ib.ft.
type of fuel? 91 or 93?
93 sir, thanks for watching!
Nice numbers ! Besides my bitchin about the oil.
Ayyyyy not bad man
Thanks man!
How much boost are you pushing? Does it say? Psi?
pushing around 22 psi
Sadly the gauge in the car isn't accurate to atmospheric pressure at all and reads about 40 psi lol so I'm really not 100% sure but I think its around 14psi in the real world lol
MedicMagic just gotta get an obd2 wifi of bluetooth dongle and use that. Thats what i did before i wwnt cobb ap. Or subtract 14.5 from what your car gauge says as its absolute pressure
The number showing on the mustang dyno is crank power, bhp not whp. 319 on the crank is normal.
That is false