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Lots of great info. This simply confirmed I needed to step up my game. New computer coming. Better video and sound, New CO2 coming. Also got a new diode coming. Looking forward to the future collaboration. Lots of BIG things happening. Excited for the next chapter in life. Thanks for the videos. If not for these, I wouldn't be where I am today. HUGE thanks.
Thank you Steve! Exciting times!
Great video thank you for doing this. Your videos have really flattened the learning curve! Can't wait for the new channel!
Awesome, thank you Christopher!
Fantastic, yet another interesting and very informative video. Ive been following you and subscribe to you for a few years now and just love your content. Looking forward to following you guys on your new channel. Thanks Richy yet again for helping us.
Awesome Wayne! Thanks so much!
Very excited for the collaboration and wish you all nothing but success.
Thanks so much! Adam!
You did great Piecing all the footage together. Thank you!
Not really! 😏 But thanks for that Patrick!
Another interesting video! Subscribed to the new channel, best of luck to all involved 👍
Thanks David! I think we're going to have fun, and there's going to be some great new content!
Thanks as always for the file download. I did make a couple changes as I had 10" x 10" material to make Santa's envelope. The back piece required one piece, but I replaced the U-shaped spacer with multiple rectangles of suitable lengths. This allowed me to combine way the envelope layer and the emblem, using the rest of the sheet for the spacer pieces. I made extra so multiple spacers could be used for a little extra "depth" for more letters. Really nice project, thanks!
Wonderful Pat! I'm happy you personalized it!
Thanks for the new format.
More to come!
I added the new channel
I am excited about this opportunity
Thanks for the sub Robert! Exciting times!
Looking forward to the new channel and I think you did a great job!
Thank you so much Steve!
Subscribed to the new channel, can't wait to see what's coming up, thank you for everything you do for this community, May GOD bless you 🙏
Welcome aboard! Thanks so much! And He does, every day, in every way! Blessings your way as well!
Awesome, thanks for this new channel super exciting, Thanks again
Glad you're here Vaughan!
Thank you Rich, another interesting video, looking forward to what your joint channel will bring. Heading over to subscribe now!
Awesome, thank you!
Sounds totally awesome, I have been over and clicked and rang that bell. Looking forward to seeing the content that will be coming
Awesome! Thank you Ian!
That's me subscribed, looking forward to watching the combined wisdom of the new group. :)
Awesome, thank you!
Subscribed and really looking forward to the new channel as I've been following all three of you gentlemen separately as well. Great Idea!!
I do want to echo a comment from below on considering materials as part of the laser selection process. I love my Ortur LM2 Pro2, but really miss being able to more easily work with clear acrylics and glass as I develop the hobby. You might also talk a bit about longer term maintenance and operating costs as part of the comparison.
Thanks, guys, for all you do.
Awesome! Thank you for the suggestion Pat; will do!
Wow great comparison. Are you going to be showing to new Ortur YRR with the chuck? Subscribed to the new channel, I can't wait to see what kind of projects you guys can come up with. Thanks for the video!
Hey George! I haven't gotten the new chuck roller yet, but it looks interesting! So yeah, the chuck roller should be coming soon. I barked at Ortur yesterday for not sending me one! 😎 Thanks for the sub!
great vid as usual mr rich. subscribed to the new channel, looking forward to that. i have a question, do you know if monport is planning a larger bed in the k 40 say maybe a 12 x 12 or in that range. keep up the great work
Thanks for the sub Jim! No, the K40 is staying the same, but I'm trying to get them to do a 400x400 40W.
Along with size, speed, and cost another consideration to factor in is material. I love my diode laser, I don’t mind the wait too much (most of the time anyway) and I appreciate the bigger build size for the stuff I’m making and the cost was reachable for dipping my toes into the laser pool. However, I do wish for the ability to work with certain materials because of frequency like acrylics that I can’t touch with my 5W S9. So I think that ultimately along with the other factors desired materials is something to consider as well.
Yes Sir! Acrylic is tough to do on the diode; good point.
Great video¡ as a beginner, this helped me to answer a lot of questions. Thank you so much for your time¡ Thumbs up and subscribed to the new channel 😊😊😊
Thanks for the sub!
Very good video, can you fit a rotary in the monoport 40? for glasses? I can buy one of those cheaper than an Xtool. very interested.
Yes you can! You have to remove the bed. I'll be doing a video on that in January.
Great Job! Finally a video that helps me to understand why a CO2 laser might be in my future. Your video editing is fine.
Awesome, thank you Dave!
Hello, thank you for your work and your content. I celebrate your videos and your nice and friendly manner. Keep it up. best regards from Germany
Thank you very much!
Good luck on your new channel, looking forward to seeing it.
Just looked at the Monport k40, really exited to purchase, that was until I saw shipping to UK, £250 plus the cost of the laser, so I guess I'll not be getting one.
Search locally Rob! I'm sure there's a seller in the UK with K40s. That's where they gained popularity!
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thanks Rich, I'll need it to work with Lightburn.
All subscribed, can't wait.
Thanks for the sub Robert!
Interesting! When will the Monport be available in the Netherlands?
I don't know Rein. Email them and ask! sales@monportlaser.com
Great video Rich..🤘🤘
Thanks Dan! 👉👍👈
Rich, would you say that the Omtech Polor is closer to Patrick's Noua machine than your K40 in terms of performance? I am about to pull the trigger and buy the Polar.
The Polar is more on the lines of a Glowforge with all the bells and whistles!
Hello all. Excited about the new channel. Already sub'd. At 14.41 you mention to add a line layer. So keeping it simple for me. You engrave with fill, then follow it up with a line layer. Pretty much it? 2 layers? 1 Fill 1 Line?
Yes Phillip! On the same layer... just add a tab!
As always, thanks Rich! Wish I had the budget for a CO2 right now, but just ordered the Atzer P20. What did you spray at the end to clean up the wood? Thanks!
I clean all my burns with plain water. Works great!
For those of us who use our CNC machines with a laser attachment, we can use mm per hour to sound impressive. So on my Genmitsu 6050 I can run my engraves at a max speed of between 60 and 120 thousand mm per hour...LOL...Fortunately for me I don't have to make a living running my laser, it's strictly for my own fun and entertainment. I am too old now to worry about what I'm going to do with the rest of my life ! 🤣 Great video. Gave a thumbs up. 😁
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Another great video. I am really enjoying my new Monport K40, but I have found that I really need to get air assist going on the K40, Engrave works fine but when I try to cut intricate small cutouts it just burns it up. So for the small stuff I still need to use my D1. I have ordered the parts for the air assist, hope it will not be too difficult to install and it solves the burning problem.
Well Steve, I did this stock! Yes, I'm going to remove the bed and add air assist, but with the right powers and speeds, stock can work!
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy It is possible that the wood I was using has bad glue it was cheap stuff from the dollar tree. I used 2mm wood from Amazon on the D1 and it worked just fine, but of coarse it took longer. I'll keep trying different settings. Cut test was fine but the project (snowflakes) just burned, It is just me a guess, I'll get it eventually. It is still a lot of fun.
It could be a mirror adjustment Steve. Mine came perfect, but yours may need adjusting.
Hi
Your Ortur-LM3.clb file with Lightburn Cut & Engrave Settings for the Lasermaster 3 is quite complete but strangely do not include the settings for plywood.
Why?
Thanks for all your files and information about this matters!
Regards
I don't know. I'll have to look at it when I get time.
One of the other considerations besides build size is shop footprint that the laser is going to require. The CO2 lasers seem to require a bit more bench or floor footprint. That can be an important consideration
Good point Mark!
Hi Rich,
I am a recent fan of your channel. After your videos, I am impressed with laser engraver and bought one online Sculpfun S10. However this works fantastic, and after your coloring video, I bought pack full of Mica Powder and tried. The result is not good as the fan in the laser blows the power away before it starts engraving. Do you have any solution for this. Will be highly appreciated. Thanks.
I wound up covering it with a thin piece of picture frame glass.
Have you used and compared the 20 watt diode output laser?
I've used them and they're great! There will be some comparisons in upcoming videos. In January, I'll also have a shootout of the 20W diodes!
Love the Video was awesome would the Laser master 3 be able to keep up with the K40 seeing as they have speeds at 20000mm/min looking to buy my first laser soon and deciding between the 2 thanks again love the video and cant wait to see what happens with the new Channel
On a light surface engraving possibly, but when it comes to deep engravings and cutting, not even close.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Fantastic thanks ill be getting the K40 now for sure, Keep up the great work we really all do appreciate all the effort you put into these
Thanks!
Your Videos are Great and informative, I have a question for you I am looking to upgrade from diode to Co2 laser, I am looking at two different 60w lasers The Omtech and the Monotech first is auto focus worth getting second the Omtech has pass through not sure of the Monotech, if you can give me any pointers on these laser machine I would appreciate it.
Thanks LightGuide
They're both the same machines from the same factory if you choose the same model to compare. All of the 60W and above have pass through. I chose the Monport since I was shopping price and they gave me a 10% off coupon that I could share. Rich&Monport
There is nothing wrong with that XTOOL laser. It gets there, and that is all that really counts. Thanks for the video and the pattern!
There actually are quite a few problems with it.
Hi Rich, love your tutorials thank you. I have a question for you about lightburn. When I fill lightburn with a lot of different files is there a way that I can see the name of that file when I click on on it. It is sometimes hard to know which is which. Thanks Ben from the Netherlands.
I don't know what you mean Ben. I name all files.
Thanks guys, great video and looking forward to the new channel. My question would be if you use a 20w diode would the time drop from 3 hours to 1 1/2 hours ? That would make the times approximately 30 minutes, 1 hour and 1 and 1/2 hours?
From my experience with the 20W diodes, I would say no. I actually did one of these on the Atomstack 20W and the time was 1 hour, 50 minutes for the same depth and color Dave.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy thank you. I am new to all of this laser stuff and your channel is a God send for people trying to figure this stuff out ! Thanks for sharing, it is really helpful.
My pleasure Dave! Just having fun!
I think you guys did a fantastic job. I want to buy a co2, mainly to save time because I hate waiting, lol. And this video helped with my future-to-make decision. Looking forward to the new channel. Good luck with it!!
Thanks so much Antonio!
hey rich,
this was another great video and lots of info i have already subscribed to the channel so i am ready to watch the videos and learn. now i can make a nice envelope for my granddaughter so she can send her letter to santa put them in. Thanks in advance.
Awesome thank you so much Luc!
Good video, thanks for a little comparison. I'm consider a first time laser for engraving names on cutting boards. The cutting boards are 14"x23", but the engrave area is only about 2"x7". Low volume makes the Diode laser looks good to me. Any idea how long it will take to engrave the name BELLMARK? Am now a subscriber.
No telling without actually seeing the file David.
Thank you sir just subbed
Awesome, thank you Dale!
Done. I just add 3 subscriptions. Good morning Rich, I hope you and your family had a blessed Thanksgiving.
Wonderful Derek! Thanks for asking! We had a wonderful family day! I hope the same for you!
Thank you!
@@LSEngraving You’re welcome! I’m busy on my laser now but I look forward to binging your videos soon
I ran my Ortur lmp2 on one of these and it took 42 minutes. Mine was different santa letter but I also had air assist on. I ran it at 3700 95 power and only 2 passes to cut. Runs beautiful. I wonder if he optimized more and got air assist he’d have better efficiency. Just seems like a long time for even a diode.
His wasn't optimized Ryan, but still, you can't compare the diode to a Co2.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy I agree!
Subscribed to all 3 . Black bell.
You're awesome Merrill! Thank you!
As always the best videos
Thanks again Mark!
Hello Rich. A few weeks ago, I watched one of your videos where you talked about cleaning your diode lens. I cannot find the video and would like to know what product you recommended we use instead of alcohol. Can you please let me know what it is? Thanks
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Thanks so much Rich.
Done Sir! Subscribed 👍🏼
Thanks for the sub Jürgen!
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy You´re welcome Rich!
I love my K40 but it cant do big sizes. Diodes may be inferior wattage size but they are lightweight and can go to really big sizes that the K40 cant. I think people should have both.
Agreed!!
Hi Rich! Great video as usual. I just found a 60W Monport on Amazon on sale for less than $2,000.00! It was manual focus but came with a chiller. I currently use an LM2 Pro S2 LF and I love it, but my business has picked up so much that it’s slowness is definitely an issue. I bought the Monport, supposed to be here by 12/16. Do you think that was a good buy?
Absolutely!
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Thank you!
Thanks for the reply Rich. I name my files too.What I mean if I import more files that look the same but are slightly different in size into lightburn Lets say 100 mm and 101 mm you cannot see it by eye.Is there a way when you select one of them to see the file name. Hope this makes more sense. thanks Ben
No Ben, the file info is stripped when you bring the graphic onto the work bed. It's done on purpose so you don't ruin the original file and it stays safe. A work around is, type some descriptive text or a file name and put it on a tool path. Select all, click File --> Export and save it as an svg, dxf or ai, or import it to an Art Library. That way the file name will be with it when you import it in the future and the tool path doesn't output.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Thanks Rich for taking the time to answer..Have a great week. Ben
Hope you are back 100%
I am Merrill! Thanks for asking!
What is the speed of the line after fill?
On my K40, I slowed to 125 speed and 18 power for the line after fill because of all the small turns in the snowflakes Tony.
You're generalising a little bit there. An apples to oranges comparison. If you had the same wattage lasers with similar beam compression and air assist on all three machines the speeds would have been more comparable. I do agree that the higher powered 40-130watt diode-based laser machines are far more expensive than the CO2 laser tube based machine of a similar wattage. Pros: CO2 laser is purpose built for this type of work. Cons: Smaller work area and the laser is water cooled which adds to maintenance.
A great video that demonstrated why you should go for a higher powered machine and to opt for a CO2 based if you can. Personally, I wouldn't recommend anything less than 20watt, it's a pretty common size for diode lasers these days and usually around the same price as a 10watt.
It was supposed to be an apples to oranges comparison! There are no 40-130W diode lasers. The current max optical output is 20W, +- 2. We're talking optical output, not wattage power draw from a brick. I'm not sure where you're finding a 20W diode laser for around the same price as a 10W. Just the 20W module alone is the same price as most complete 10W machines. The real purpose of this video was to show speed, which equals $$$ if you're doing this as a business. A Co2 can produce from 200-1000% more product than any diode on the market in the same amount of time depending on type and power.
Does the monport40 have air assist?
No it doesn't Brandon. I don't know of any K40s that do. I am trying to get them to add it at the factory. It is extremely simple to add though.
Thank you for your response. I am looking into buying a laser engraver. I do woodworking and leatherwork as a hobby and I think an engraver would be a great addition.
Great vid thank you, all sub'd up with everyone. Looking forward to the vids.
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Another winner Rich, you did a great job video editing. Subcribribe to the new channel, I can't wait to see the fantastic content you all will put together, it gonna be epic.😀
Much appreciated John; thank you!
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Rich you are too hard on yourself. You know your market, people come here to see you make stuff, get ideas and learn. This is not a drone video where people are coming to see beautiful flights and slick video editing where moves are syncronized with the music. Guess what I am saying is don't worry about your video editing skills, we come for the content.
I do find it amusing that you favor the k40 over the 50w. I have a K40 (lightburn capable), an Atomstack A5 M40 and a 60w 20X28. The vast majority of my work is on the 60w just because I can use larger sheets in it. The lanterns I make I can fit on 1 sheet of 12X20. when I was doing them using the k40 I was having to cut up smaller sheets on the table saw to barely fit each piece so that I could get them in the bed. Now it is habit even if I am running small jobs to use the 60w.
For larger jobs I always go to the 80W Steve, but most jobs can be done on the 40, at least for me. Thanks for the assuring comments!
Having in mind CO2 lasers, I could hardly justify buying 20w diode. But that's just me.
Some users like the minimalistic approach to engraving Ivan.
Do these other presenters explain things as simply and as detailed as you do?
The new channel is going to be more about making and downloads rather than explainers. But yeah, they both are explainers.
Done, Done , Done
Thank you, thank you, thank you! 🤪
Video with info starts *HERE* 9:00. Before that is idle chatter.
Not really! If you think my introduction is showing a lack of thought or intelligence, perhaps you're in the wrong place.
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Apologies…. Actually, your videos are rich with knowledge, but way TOO LONG. It would be nice to see the instructional parts directly, many of us are trying to learn a lot, quickly. Oh, and thanks for having NO background “music.”
Thanks for the edit! "Idle chatter" I can deal with....
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Thanks for the sub Raymond!
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy You are very welcome. Let´s see what the New year brings along. Also, will be looking into new projects and materials to laser etch. Have been considering the Sculpfun S10, is it really as good as they say?
It's a good machine Raymond!