Update on my "dead" RTX 4090 + The first Water Cooled 7900XTX
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
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Outro:
Dylan Sitts feat. HDBeenDope - For The Record (Dylan Sitts Remix)
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- Corsair 7900XTX Water Block
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:40 Seasonic (Advertising)
2:20 We test the RTX 4090
4:58 I have no idea what's going on!
6:23 We convert an RX 7900 XTX to water cooling
8:19 The Corsair cooler at work
9:03 Function test & coil whine
10:04 Benchmarks & temperatures
11:24 Summary / Conclusion
12:17 Outro - Věda a technologie
dude its nothing, there is no issue whatsoever with the card. its your cat man. it depends on her mood if anything runs at all or not
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see this is fucking awesome what a commend haha! Made my day.
Can confirm. Is the same with mine
@@assistofficial9814 comment*
@@Digikidthevoiceofreason sorry boss. I'm not english.
I've seen the inaccessible boot device BSOD many times on few ASUS Z690 and Z790 boards. It often happens if you've been running the system with the iGPU then plug in a graphics card. Almost always get that BSOD. Simply re-starting usually fixes it. This is with both AMD and NVIDIA cards.
Try disable Fast Boot in Windows settings. Fast Boot do not like hardware changes.
@@p0k314COM I haven't tried changing fast boot, but then I've not seen this issue on older platforms or AM5. I should also add that this issue only seems to occur when using a M.2 SSD using CPU lanes. Also, occasionally, after the first reboot after dGPU drivers, I've seen a Windows notification that a reboot is required due to 'PCIe bus'.
@@chrish3208 that reboot notification is ReBar related AFAIK. The PCIe bus is being reconfigured to use the new large memory in the above 4GB range.
@@p0k314COM actually restarting fixes these kinda issues no need to disable fast boot. restarting clears up the boot cache
same issue on my z390 gaming edge ac FYI
I hecking love your videos! I was looking for watercooled RX 7900 XTX review for weeks
Sunday saved
Oh wow this is cool to see a custom 7900xtx water-cooled, so I recently picked up a ASRock 7900xtx Aqua and I’m impressed my temperature are about the same but my boosts to 2800 and that’s stock
Corsair block looks so nice. Gonna have to look into them. THX as always
Love how simple and effective the Corsair blocks are.
They definitely work well, but to me they are very ugly! I just don't like the coragated metal look...I wish they would make one that is full plexi or smooth acetal...
@@brucepreston3927 they make a full plexi one
Shunt mod video on the 7900xtx would be nice, didn´t see any hardcore overclock in those cards.
Can you add the data (if you have it) about VRAM temps with the stock cooler vs the waterblock? Not in video ofc, I mean in a pinned comment/reply, that'd be interesting to see since the VRAM reaches temps in the 90-100°C range (and higher VRAM temp can increase the number of errors, especially if overclocked).
Also, since the XTX can be undervolted (and thus reaching higher frequencies even with the reference stock cooler), it'd be interesting to see a proper test at 1100mV or lower (and how much the stability increases with a lower V-F curve and thus higher frequencies - or not).
Hi Roman, the blue screen is likely connected to an issue with the Intel Chipset driver (10.1.19284.8351). It occurs with 13th gen CPUs installing this revision
i had a system once where every part worked in isolation but put them together and it was a whole lot of bricked. built two computers with the parts and both worked for years.
What parts were they?
@@spi-killazinc9750 i want to say it was a core-2 machine. but i dont know exactly. that was some time ago and i no longer have the hardware. i used to be a system integrator so its all a blur.
I use to see this issue back in the day with IRQ conflicts. Could be the card got "locked" into an IRQ that was not conflicting in your techs pc but did conflict in your system. And it can show up on multiple MBs. My first step would be to try to reflash the cards firmware.
was hoping to see some oc attempts on the watercooled 7900 xtx
If it's a NVMe SSD you could always try a SATA SSD connected to the motherboard SATA connectors. Had some very weird issues with NVMe SSD's in the past causing the PC to hang on POST or randomly crashing or the UEFI boot 'table' getting messed up. The last one requires a bios reset to fix. If you are constantly reusing the same Windows install drives on different boards during testing, perhaps a clean install will fix the BSOD weirdness?
Had this same issue. Fresh install OS on my NVME always cause BSOD: Critical process failed. But when I use my Sata SSD as the boot drive, no issue at all. Had to RMA the NVME and still waiting for the replacement.
@@Ch0pStix some days ago had issue with a NVMe SSD, always get Blue Screen when SSD is on for about 15min, interesting is during the cloning with my notebook with external case has no issue. Put other SSD no problem, retested the original and same issue.
Test with HD sentinel pro with external case after some minute's get errors.
Came for the cat. Interesting info about the GPUs too. ;)
Since the GPU is incorporated into the UEFI Secureboot-process boot device-errors might point to firmware (or other) issues, but I have a very serious question as well; could you please help in showing how NV's Optical Flow API used for Framegen in DLSS3 has been around since the first Tensor-based 2000-series?
The SVP team, the guys behind that video fps interpolation suite had NV Tensor Optical Flow integrated for years. It's disheartening to see them lock the tech to 4000-series only.
Would love to see how the RX7900xtx behaves when extreme cooling like Liquid nitrogen is used, would like to see if Chiplet design has changed how temperatures affect the GPU and if having two different chips with different fabrication affect performance.
Haha.. I'm surprised your cat can resist jumping at the flashy / reflective spinning fans and such!! :)
I'm using the EKWB water block on my 7900xtx reference card. When undervolting and properly setting the maximum frequency, the maximum frequency jumps once more than the set value when crashing or quitting during the game, and an adrenaline bug report or driver response timeout may appear. If the undervolting value is low in this case, it seems that the problem is caused by not meeting the voltage required for the jumped clock. If you meet the voltage requirements according to the maximum frequency setting, it is very stable, but depending on the game, it seems that there are cases where you need to increase the voltage. *Board total power consumption, voltage, and clocks are fighting each other. After setting the junction temperature with water cooling, it is a part that needs to be compromised well.
I've had inaccessible boot item many times, it seems to be a common thing when you're swapping the same install on different systems, or if you use premade images from Macrium Reflect and such.
However these are all systems with onboard igpus, plus one seen it many times just on ssds.
Many times it won't boot till you go into safe mode, then it'll boot properly under normal mode.
If it's an older system, such as from an Intel 8th gen or similar and I'm dropping it onto a 12th gen then it'll never boot till I insert the modern Rapid Storage drivers with Dism.
I've never known the issue to be caused by a gpu.
Just my two cents.
Been waiting to see what the watercooled 7900xtx could do. Looking forward to an overclocking video with it
Well it's already better than the retail version... because it's working.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 better than the amd cooler. Any of the aib cards work just fine
Received my block from EK this week and got it up and running today! Only reason I didn't send back my faulty vapor chamber 7900XTX. So much better than before!
Same got my EK block last week for the 7900XTX, love the low temps and also nice and quiet.
Same just got mine a week ago just got it up and running on saturday
How is your OC on the card?
same, I got mine 1 week ago but my cooler was working though
I’m looking to do this. How long did the install take?
The first water cooled 7900 xtx you're late i got my EKWB last week for mine, I also have very noticeable coil wine. Thanks for all your video's
The water thing is so pretty. I'm not much of an rgb person but a bit of light in the middle is ok if you can see the water flowing.
Did you saw the new air jet cooling ? I hope you can test later with this new coolers in a video to show us.
I can think on two possible causes to explain same card different behaviour in different places:
1 - Dirty electricity. Other devices in the same network (bad neighbours?) could be introducing voltage variations at just the bad frequencies.
2 - The monitor PSU. In rare cases, electrical defects in the rmonitror PSU or even small differences in ground levels at both sides of the monitor cable could produce this behaviour (I have seen it). In such cases I would suggest to test without any monitor connected.
I saw you used a spatula to spread the thermal paste. Do you recommend this for mounting a cooler to to CPU (no direct die) also. At least if you have some idea of what you are doing. And do not make a very thick layer
Super cute paws😊
That block looks sweet! I much prefer the look to the EK blocks. I just bought one for the MSI Suprim. Going to give this custom loop thing a try.
i would say it was magically repaired by DHL it was thrown around so much
that the molecules rearranged them self in perfect working order
*This may be an obvious question yet do you fill the waterblock with water, mineral oil or some special coolant?*
Is there any update on the thermal grizzly wireview for the 40 series?? I have been waiting on it for months I want one so bad lol. Thanks
It's like bringing your car to a mechanic, never does it for him but as soon as you drive three blocks away it starts and stops one block from the shop.
I've just watercooled my 7900 xtx and am very pleased with the results. I do see that the peak memory junction temps are 74C compared to the hotspot temperature of 62 degrees. What temps is your memory hitting with this block?
are those wattage meters you plug into the GPU power ports for sale and do you also sell 2x 8 pin and the new Nvidia 600w connector versions?
Was the PCIe x8 / x16 problem just caused by improper mounting in the PCIe slot ?
I am having the same issue with a liquid cooled AMD RADEON RX 6800XT on my ASUS ROG CH8 FORMULA motherboard.
what are the dimensions of the 7900xtx with the waterblock on?
I think if it's 139mm from the PCIE connector to the other end I might be able to squeeze it into my case.
I wonder if manually set PCIe link speed to Gen 4 instead of Auto will work.
I have a Asus X670E-F board, and with a MSI 4080 installed, it always defaulted to use the R7 7700X onboard graphics instead of 4080 (4080 is detected in device manager but no display from 4080). Yes the default graphics is set to discrete GPU, not iGPU. I have to set PCIe link speed to 4.0 instead of “Auto” to get display from 4080.
I kinda had the same problem. I have the Asus x670E-A board. I couldn't get the board to recognise my gpu. I had only access to the uefi through the igpu from the 7900x. Once windows loaded the drivers my gpu works fine but the status led for the vga was still lit constantly and the boot process took quite long (mobo thought there was no gpu installed). I fixed it by enabling CSM in the boot options. This behavior has something to do with secure boot especially if you installed windows with only the igpu installed
Hey Roman, can you ask Seasonic when can we expect atx 3.0 and pcie 5.0 PRIME Titanium class power supplies? As far as i understood the only certified atx 3.0 is Vertex series so far. I want to upgrade from my Seasonic prime platinum 650w to something 1300W-1600W for future power hungry video card upgrade.
I heard March for Gold, and Platinum Q2
What is the simplest way to get a gpu water cooler that keeps the gpu from thermal throtting? What is the max wattage?
Will this Corsair water block only work on the reference 7900 XTX?
what is the red light on the card for? I always see it lit at least before i turn on the computer.
My Seasonic 750 is fantastic, run in Hybrid mode is silent, fan is not needed as case has good airflow, highly recommended
Could you please do a side by side high end (1000W to 1600W inclusive) PLATINUM ATX 3.0 PSU comparison video? With electricity so expensive we want a PSU with max efficiency to save on energy bills (platinum better than just gold rated), & as GPUs keep needing more & more power, & these PSUs should last at least 10yrs, a 50% latency above the minimum recommended 1000W for RTX4090 PC seems sensible.
If not going to make a video, could you please recommend a 1500W PLATINUM rated ATX 3.0 (with new GPU smart power cable) PSU? I'm open to 1600W if not 1500W.
unrelated to the video. is there any news on when the delid kit for ryzen 7000 is being released? awesome content btw.
This is a great story! Hopefully Asus can give a detailed answer for the inconsistency.
Blue screen inaccessible boot might be corrupted bios UEFI setting on the GPU itself, try reflashing the GPU bios?
I had two hard to identify hardware issues in the past with the PCs I was fixing:
1. Graphic card was leaking voltage to motherboard through DisplayPort cable. This caused very weird behavior with my motherboard like LEDs being powered on even when PC was off or general instability once in a while. Cutting pin 20 in one of the DisplayPort cable plugs and issue went away. Basic test can also be done with switching to HDMI cable for a while.
2. Low power quality. I had trouble booting the system, had general instability when system decided to boot. After a lot of diagnosing I finally tested the system with a higher grade UPS, online type, full sinusoid - ones that are usually found in server rooms. Problems went away - no more weird booting issues or instability.
would you test that gpu play microsoft flight simulator or cyberpunk 2077 on 4k resolution .. how much fps can get it on .. side by side 4090 vs 7900 who is the higher
You are the only one, in whose video I press the Like button just after playing the video before even watch 2 seconds.
Hi, just wanted to know did you test a different display cable? Had exactly same symptoms with my Asus 3090. Most of time not posting with code d6 or posting and stuck on boot device detection. It was all coming from my displayport cable that works fine with other setups. Switched to hdmi cable and that fixed all my problems... very strange that a displayport cable can do that and prevent a computer from posting. Maybe not related to your symptoms at all but just thought I would share this as it takes a few seconds to test.
Because some older cables allow voltage down them from the display. Which it shouldn't do.
What are you going to do with the watecoolded amd cards?? I've been trying to get one since day one, there are no cards on the market!!
I bought a 7900 XTX Red Devil and would like to put a water block on it. Does that void the warranty?
Have you tried to do a fresh uninstall of the drivers, then up date the drivers manually?
well i checked and double checked. the red light on the strix 4090 should be on b4 comp start. when running the red light is out. i checked the speed on the card is running at 16x. please look into this . let me know
Have you checked the EMF levels in the house or that room?
I keep hearing from reviewers that the reference radeon cards are loud. I got mine 5 days ago. replacing my 2080ti on water in a custom loop. Now with the air setup and cpu still on custom loop i cant tell the difference.
Is it really that noisy??? or is the testing not really following real world experience.
People base AMD complaints on cards that are over 10 years old. The r9 290. And it wasn't even that bad when the 2nd batch of cards came out.
Even your cat is confused…and usually they have answers to everything!
I wonder if its is a power spike during boot all the hardware boots there is a large spike. Are all the lanes active on the PCI-e now? Try and oversize psu
I also had another system that occasionally BSOD on boot. I found the memory wasn't seated properly it was latched down but simply removing and reinstalling fixed the issue.
Since the power didnt drop with the decreased temperature and the clocks didnt noticeably increase, would it be possible to give it a small undervolt and still get the same boost results while getting even lower temps?
You undervolting simps need to give it a rest
Love the ''Honest contrast'' In my words I mean with that RTX hot-take and reviling potential(s) of XTX. I've not much experience with AMD , although Nvidia comes across more "clunky" at times in my perspective.
Dry joint ? On the pci slot on the board ?
I can't wrap my head around on why this channel still don't have like million subscribers?! All enthusiasts and other CZcamsrs seems to watch it and still only 142K subs ?!
I installed a 4080 and made sure the cable was all the way in .. the cable splits to 3 8 pin cables ... and I got the red light tried to re-plug everthing but i couldn't get it to turn off .. until i turned the computer on ... then it went out it seems to run fine though
I’ve had video cables that caused what I though was a no post. Also may be drivers. Or………a deeper dive………check your pcix slot. You may have some broken soldering that only sometimes make contact causing odd errors.
I used that same corsair power cable on my ASUS Strix 4090, and my card would boot to windows with a black screen the whole time, no video the whole time and MoBo code went through the process and the fans spun down when it went to windows. I pressed the power button to shut it back down. I plugged the adapter cable back in and everything worked just as it should so I ordered the cablemod cable and once I got a cablemod 4 - 8 pin to 12+4 VHPWR everything worked as it should. It's been months now without an issue. I think the card is asking for more power than that corsair cable can handle. Also, I'm using a HX 1200 Plat. And the power adapter cable that came with the card also worked since it has 4 - 8 pin connectors and I had them going to separate outputs on the PSU.
I had the same exact issue when Jayztwocents plugged that corsair cable into his Strix 4090. And my card behaved in the same way until I used 4- 8 pin to spread the power load out.
That BSoD was related to the SSD and not the GPU. It usually happens, when you try to boot from the wrong partition.
Hello I am looking for the 8 pin connector which indicates the power consumed. Have you a link to find it ? Thanks
Thor PSUs show power drawn from the wall. You could see the difference when you put load on the GPU.
where can I get that led power connector mate?
Hey guys, is there a waterblock for AsRock Taichi 7900 XTX? I can't find anything..only some shady chinese company on E-bay..
Why is the Resizable BAR disabled on both cards?
I've only had this kind of issue with some bclk fuckery with the pci. On a ryzen based system, along with vsoc and USB audio issues. Took me a year to figure how to run stable low latency audio.
I get something that sounds like coil whine when i am in a cut scene and the fps shoots up to 1000-4000 fps. the gpu doesnt go under a heavy load, but i get a loud buzz type sound, as soon as the cut scene is gone and im back to the game at 150 fps give or take, it goes away.
Fan in your PSU?
Is it worth it to watercool a 7900xtx? Or do you think the fans are just fine for long term card health?
Will an old nzxt g12 aio kit fit the 7900xtx
Hi, I've been following you for a few years now, I would need if it's possible to ask you something about the debug leds of the asus 3080 strix oc 10 gb, as a strange thing happened to me, I don't know whether to write here in the comments or where since it would take a long time to describe .
Thank you very much greetings from Italy
Question about using water blocks, if I live in a hot humid equatorial country with 24/7 12 months a year 30+ Deg Celsius heat and rain, would the condensation become an issue inside my PC?
It depends on dew point, unless your room temperature is below your room dew point, you don’t have to worry about it. Condensation only happens below dew point, traditional water and air cooling won’t able to cool your components below room temperature. So,as long as your room dew point is higher than your room temperature, you will be fine. (Otherwise condensation will appear on everything…)
Watercooling does not get temps below ambient. You'll be fine.
i seen this before too...nvme cards have locked irq values and with bios on gpu if not proper updated correctly on right device would cause conflict with both gpu and nvme due to bios couldn't get uefi drivers from the vbios to recognize it ...this issue is wide spread with amd boards in my experience
Does the other guy have the 4090 in a vertical setup perhaps? Could be related.
Where buy this gpu power measurement device?
can you now please do an oc video on the watercooled 7900 xtx
it would be nice to see 3 ghz a lot of people seem to get there
Is it just the camera angle or is Shiek getting chonkier than before? Or is it just the fluffier winter coat? :)
I have problems with bluescreens and unaccessable boot device on 150 dell laptops
I have an oddball 1080ti here that also has the centrefan being the only working one.The card is otherwise somewhat fine (at least it works while downclocked).
I have only ever gotta INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE blue screens when the storage controller that has the drive booting windows is not loading properly. Basically at boot time the system can see the drive, but as soon as it loads it storage drivers the C drive hardware vanishes and bang, there's your BSOD. Only ever happened to me when changing a Windows 10 install from one platform (generation of chip) to another. Or when changing mainboards, but only if you dont use DISM to inject the exact correct storage controller drivers into the OS from WinPE before trying to boot.
For me its always been a perminent error, until you put the correct drivers in, it doesnt go away for me just by pushing reset. I have never had this issue just by changing the GPU or any other piece of hardware, its always been solely related to Windows being unable to find the OS folder on the target drive letter after storage controllers are loaded.
So maybe in this case there is something with the way the OS is loading the GPU that is stopping the Storage controller from loading properly.
Did you ever try a different PSU with that 4090?
5:23 I have a friend who has a 3080 FE doing the same thing. If a solution comes along, I would love to know 🤓
Other than people who have defective coolers who also don't want to use the warranty service this waterblock doesn't make much sense cause the reference card only has 2x8pins (unless it's compatible with partner cards idk)
It's cat hair in the GPU. The one variable you didn't control for, is always the answer 😉
It looks like Display Port pin 20 syndrome being wired. It caused exact issues like only one fan spinning on some setups. It is a PCB design flaw here. The current always takes the shortest path, it may hang the PCIe switchers or the bridge upon bad power init, break the loop, try HDMI.
You could possibly have a bad power supply, i'd try using a different one of sufficient power that you are sure is working. Power supplies can act funny when they are messed up.
When is the delid tool for raptor lake going to be released....been throwing money at the screen nothing.
I've never been a fan of the corsair blocks. My favorite block so far has been the aquacomputer 2080 ti reference block.
I work as IT technitian and we have a computer in a server room that is used by one college as a RDP machine ... after power loss all the machines rebooted normally but that computer, the interesting part is that repluging it in the same outlet it did not work, so I thought PSU was dead, but when I plugged PC in my office it suddenly started working, it just took replugging in power outlet that is on different fuse ... why, I have no idea
PSU triggered safty protection. unpluging it let it drain and reset the safty switch. Also i would consider replacing the psu or at least having a backup on hand.
It's a damn shame you couldn't pinpoint the problem with the 4090. It looks like an intermittent issue that would probably rear its ugly head at the most inopportune time. It's a good thing you're sending it back to ASUS, and maybe they can figure out what's happening with it. The water-cooled 7900XTX looks gorgeous, and the temps are incredible. It's so cool that you were able to bring the temps down by 25K.
Hi der8auer, I've an issue with my 4090 on which each time the GPU goes to lower power stage it crash. I can play on it, I can put heavy load nothing will happen. But if I just don't do anything and stay on the desktop, the GPU will crash after 20-30sec.
The GPU is currently in RMA.
AMD 7950X + asus crosshair hero + 4090FE
Also the GPU was doing fine on the bottom PCIe (8x) but not on the main (16x)
GPU currently in RMA ...
Could also be your power supply. I've seen this happen before.
@@dracer35 Be Quiet Dark pro 2 1500W, I doubt it's the PSU ... Especially when the PSU is running a 3090 taking 600W while the 4090FR only take 400-450W max
I shall see what they tell me during the RMA process. Hopefully the GPU is borked and a replacement arrive.
@@MastahFR Yes it's unlikely but not impossible. I've seen it happen on a Corsair 750w platinum PSU. Works perfectly fine for days on end at high load but when running a low load like watching a CZcams video it would cut out and restart the PC.
Just saying it wouldn't hurt to check if you happen to have an extra PSU laying around or know someone who does
Derbauer: dont worry about blue screen, that's because of windows, it stores next boot info into RAM.. when you switch GPU+s or something similar, that boot info deletes, and windows counts on it... ordinary restart is required, nothing is broken... Good old win11 lol
A block is a no brainer to me. Getting rid of all that bulky cooler and lower temps.
Getting close to a necessity with new high end cards
@@-opus I'm waiting for the first board partner to ship board only without a cooler!? That's the only disadvantage with adding a block, cooler ends up wasted in the box. I'd rather have a $100-200 saving on the card and get a board to cool myself.
They should just sell them like that.
It makes no sense to me that companies would sell overpriced top tier gpus with normal coolers on them. Either sell them with water blocks or sell them naked for less money. That will win you 90 percent of the market for these GPUs. Every other company would have to follow your example if they want to sell anything.
But instead they prefer to add more heatsink and make the GPUs take all of your slots and sag like a sad giraffe.
@@25MHzisbest They may be unwilling to offer a warranty without an attached cooler, but are also unable to sell them without a warranty? Just a guess though.
@@-opus yep, very difficult from one country to another with customer rights.
Great video. Hope Asus can figure out what is wrong with the card. It's such an odd behavior. Also, if possible please run chilled water in the 7900xtx.
When your graphics card fools you into april fools joke.