Can induction cooktops really match gas in the kitchen? | 7.30
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- It's a the question being asked in homes all over Australia: can electric induction really match gas in the kitchen? The Grattan Institute kick-started the debate by challenging all of us to get off gas urgently to help the environment and our own health, but on the stovetop can induction compete? Norman Hermant brings you a chef's battle to find out.
(What I want to know is, what does Uncle Roger think of this, eh @mrnigelng?)
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I have every intention of getting solar on my house and getting rid of my old gas stove and going with induction. Induction is safer and easier to clean, and when hooked up to solar also cheaper and better for the environment, so that's a win in all fields as far as I'm concerned. The only problem is the initial expense, it'll take me a long while to save up to do any of it, but the money I'll save in the long run will more than make up for it, besides, by the time I've saved enough to do that, it'll all be cheaper by then, hopefully.
Gas is better. One of the issues im facing now is that the pan is heated evenly. Then theres the whole research side of things to fix it to include buying higher end pans, buying higher end bigger coiled cooktops, etc
@@Technie87gas isn't better. Maybe for wok. But for all else my experience with induction is that it's better, easier and better for the kitchen environment.
But... to be fair we do have 3 phase dedicated connection to the stove top, and with 240 volts being standard, with 3 phase connection we're up to 480 volts. So, in fairness it seems Induction is better with the voltage we have in Europe. And in most of the world I suppose. Mostly America and Japan, that uses 120 volts.
I see some videos and tests of induction from the US where they say you can't get the same high heat, and sear, on induction. That is just not at all my experience. Rather... it can easily be to high. I only use maximum setting to get water boiling quickly. Not for frying.
The switching of duty cycle from the induction is hard on your inverter. Any saving you will make from not buying gas will be lost in lifespan of inverter.
As someone with chronic asthma I will never have gas cooking.
I'm all for more induction in regular households but I'm really over pushing the blame onto the consumer like what was done with recycling. When the commercial and industry sectors pull their own weight to reduce their impact in the environment, I'll more than happy to do my part as well.
Well that's how it works. "I ain't doing it 'til THEY do it".
It's always Them's fault, really. I only do it 'cause of Them. And they, that is Them, will never change. Besides, They say that there is no real call for change. Which I guess is true, as everyone's always waiting for them to go first.
It's a great attitude to have if mediocrity is satisfactory.
The gas guy is wrong. You certainly can stir fry in a wok with induction as long as you have a flat bottom wok. The induction stovetop will stay on for about 10 seconds after you take the wok off to toss. That's certainly enough time to put the wok back on the stovetop. Tossing the food only takes about 2 seconds.
I've cooked on both, and my conclusion is that I need both for this exact reason. Toss-style cooking is better on gas, and you can char/roast vegetables on a gas burner. However induction is far superior for pretty much anything else you do on a cooktop: boiling, simmering, reheating, holding a constant temperature without cooking... plus the cleaning and safety aspect.
I plan on keeping my gas cooktop and have an induction cooktop installed right next to it to have the benefits of both.
I grew up with gas, and now have a fully electric house. My stove is resistive electric bit i have a plug in induction hotplate that i use every now and then. Induction is far quicker than traditional electric. And being off gas, im saving $6 a day.
I had my old gas cooktop replaced with an induction one last year. I find it's easier to clean, at least as responsive, doesn't warm the place up as much in summer, and I can actually set it to simmer easier as it can run lower than the lowest setting on my old gas stove. Very happy with it.
For the handful of things where gas would do better, I've got the BBQ outside.
Love induction cooking, much faster than gas and easy to clean 10/10
More power drawn
@@mas-udal-hassan9277 A gas burner is about 40% efficient to transfer heat to the food, an induction burner about 90%. A gas-fired power plant is 50-60% efficient, so if the electricity for the induction stove is made with gas, the total efficiency would be 45-54%, still better than the 40% of a gas stove and the gas is burned in a much more controlled and filtered way, outside of the home where you live.
Problem with induction is hot spots and cold spots. I’m not sure if it’s just cheaper induction hobs but I can have part of a pancake burnt and another part raw. It’s insanely bad for frying. If you just boil stuff I guess it’s fine. This report didn’t mention any that. Maybe less clowning around and more proper journalism
Gas and coil electric have those same problems as well, to get even heating, use pans that have both aluminum and iron in them. As aluminum conducts heat well, while Iron works with induction
How do you roast items on an induction stove? What about power outages? Some cookware doesn't work with induction either.
Why does the narrator have an American accent when this is an Australian report? I initially thought that this was the American ABC station, as in American Broadcasting Corporation.
Induction is not better for the environment if the electricity that powers it is generated by burning fossil fuels. The technology does offer safety benefits over gas such as no naked flame or exhaust in the home. Induction cooktops require a huge current to operate all zones at the same time and power will be limited it you try to use all zones on high at the same time. Cheap appliances are no better at simmering than the old electric coils. An induction cooktop will need a dedicated circuit to be installed and will only work with magnetic pots and pans. These costs are often overlooked and must be factored into the purchase price. I'm all for a transition to all electric homes with renewable energy and will replace my gas appliances with electric when they wear out, but consumers need to be aware of all the facts to decide what's right for them.
The grid is very rapidly becoming renewables dominated, & will be mostly so by 2030.
Daytimes are already 50-60% renewables, so perfect for all electric given all the benefits.
It is more efficient and yes, even if the grid isn't 100% renewables, and can seamlessly work with 100% renewables, whereas methane gas burning stoves will always be a polluting fossil fuel source.
I will say that my plugin 6000btu induction burner is more powerful than my 15000btu gas burner, because all the energy goes into the pot on induction. You also have to consider the wasted heat on gas, which heats up your house, in a warm climate that means your AC will have to work harder.
Great program Norman. Don’t see enough of u. Regards markc
If you are doing it for environmental reasons, I think it will all depend on where you want to spend your $ to reduce your carbon footprint. If you have a set amount of $ to spend to reduce your carbon footprint and energy bills, you'll be better off spending the $ on getting the insulation in your home up to spec, replacing gas heaters if they are old and at their end of life, going to a more efficient water heater, and then probably looking at solar panels in that order. If youve done all those things and your gas stove is in need of replacement then look at induction, otherwise the $ is better spent elsewhere.
Will it prove anything
Probably not
😂😂
Priceless
Lol where is the wok hey in induction
They should try a stir fry on wok.
Gas is wonderful. I tried cooking with induction in a kitchen I had to use for uni and hated it. Getting induction to turn on when you wanted it to, having it turn off randomly/when the pan goes off the stove for a second, and just having to be careful not to break the top glass were all things I couldn’t get over.
The newer induction is pretty awesome though. We just moved into our new house with a nice freestanding gas stovetop I always wanted and I am missing the induction from our previous house. You can pick your top based on the size of your pan and then go as hot or cold as you like, with gas you have to move to smaller burners etc. as soon as the gas stove breaks I will be going full induction again.
@@markharlor1144 That’s fair. Maybe if I had more experience with induction, I’d like it better. Maybe a different model than the one I got to use, for sure!
It should go off, there is no pan, that is a safety feature Gas and Electric would benefit from. If you pull a pan off the burner, you usually have 30 seconds to get it back on before the burner shuts off.
Helen Rennie's cooking channel give a REALLY in-depth look at induction cooking. The video is titled: "Induction Stoves -- Watch Before You Buy One!" Highly recommend.
What a waste of taxpayers money. So short of real news.
@rayjohnson6286 this is a rehash of a Richard Fiedler interview with a man from Wollongong regarding the use of induction cooktops being most economical use of energy
I grew up in homes with induction cooktops, but now that I'm an adult, my present home has a gas stove, and I really adore it.
I dunno....I've been doing weird stuff with the microwave lately....totally not a microwave person until I need it in an emergency.... you would be surprised what you can make in 7 minutes
You can make a chocolate cake in a mug in five minutes.
You can also measure the speed of light with a bar of chocolate, a ruler and your microwave.
Induction cooking for the win.
It is a shame the climate change and "electrify everything" angle isn't the headline here. Public benefit broadcasting should promote reducing fossil fuel use. SBS has tips for using woks on an induction cooktop. This feels a bit glib.
The problem with induction is it generates heat on the coils as it runs. If you are in a production kitchen, you need to get pans hot to sear meat and vegetables in. The coils in an induction range, have duty cycles. If you run them too long, they heat up and burn out. For commercial ranges, the designers need to figure out how to cool them to increase the duty cycle.
They do make commercial induction cooktops like your describing, but they are wildly expensive. For a decent induction four burner cooktop it can easily set you back $19,000 which isn't exactly financially viable except for the remotest of kitchens.
I just tried to Google: commercial induction stoves heating up and burning out, but couldn't find a useful link. Have you got one?
Every induction stove I have ever used has a fan underneath to cool off the burner if it is going to overheat.
One of the things not mentioned about Induction heating is that any person with a pacemaker has to stay over a metre away from them. We looked but had to pass because of this safety issue/
And yet gas is bad for everyone, including people with pacemakers.. It is pollution in your house, and as bad as a smoker.
@@--Nath-- But gas won't make your pacemaker malfunction - That's a potentially life-threatening outcome.
We wanted to go inductioon but the Cardiologist warned us not to for her sake - unless I was going to do all the cooking, as she wouldn't be able to.
@@theaussieviking8555it can trigger asthma attacks though which do kill people.
The point being made was that people with pacemakers should not use induction stoves. Whether or not they have other medical conditions on top of that is a separate matter.
No one with a pacemaker is known to have died as a result of EMI from an induction stove. There is a theoretical chance of death with a small percentage of devices. Of course, speak with you doctor, but make sure they are quoting from recent medical trials, and not a whole bunch of unsupported hype from journalists who have mostly got it wrong. Happy cooking 🍳
I currently enjoy a radiant electric range, which we prefer over induction. Out last rental home of 8 years had gas cooking. Here are all the ways gas tops suck. No super low heat for defrosting, melting cheese or chocolate. No repeatable heat settings with an exact number. They take a long time to boil. Hard to clean. Carbon monoxide, particulates, unburned hydrocarbons, radon. No, those are for the Flintstones.
It took us about 2 days to get used to induction.
It's so easy, so fast, so hot & so cheap.
Even our round bottom wok cooks amazingly well on it.
Energy loss with gas by having to heat the pot which then heats the food.
Induction directly heats the pot, then the food.
Induction heats and changes temp instantly at the flow of electricity changes.
Why a portable burner. Not relevant.
@rayjohnson6286 oh so you agree not relevant. Thanks
Neither could ever beat the old wooden stove even these days. THe OLD WOOD STOVE is on it's own level, roast meat taste's so much better, roast potatoes roast veg's are all next level.
1:20,
Had gas all my life. Never a problem. Now induction and I hate it. I go to great lengths to look after the hob and despite this it still ends up scratched. Do not place anything above the stove top that could fall on it. I knocked over a bottle and it chipped the side of the hob. $2500 later it was working again. I do stir fries and they are harder with my Smeg cooktop which makes a humming up and down sound when cooking. Next time you are in a rental property look to see if they have an induction cooktop. If so I bet it is covered in scratches and swirls and possibly the odd chip that makes it look terrible. Give me gas anytime.
Glass top is easier to clean, but it is more fragile. It is a trade off
Gas is way better.
Induction and Electric are more powerful, have a better simmer, are easier to clean, and have repeatable temperature settings.
As a child i grew up in houses that had induction cooktops but now in my current house i have a gas stove and i love it
It's poisoning your family though. Get it replaced if you can.
@--Nath-- I'm a chef and every commercial kitchen I have ever worked in has had gas stoves. My 5 burner gas stove in my house is here to stay forever
@@Jasmine199018My condolences for being a chef. I hope you recover your senses one day.
@davespanksalot8413 condolences for being a chef why?
@@Jasmine199018 The bad hours, not great pay, hot and greasy working conditions, bad habits picked up from other chefs, etc.
gas is better
It also would have been good to have a cost analysis for comparison.
Americans LOVE gas. And I bet the planet can tell the difference.
Gas has to go.
Radical communist socialist liberals are banning our gas stoves... REEEEEEEE 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Yeah, conservatives in the US actually wrote legislation to "protect gas stoves". Won't do a damn thing about gun violence though and are now rolling back healthcare enrollments for lower income people / children.
To be fair though, I really didn't know the benefits of induction cooking till I started research it and that info needs to broadcast more to the public.
It's piped gas in my kitchen. I will not be changing
You're poisoning yourselves with it.. Like running a car tailpipe into your kitchen..
@@--Nath--. Is it? ....is it really?
@@--Nath--that's not true at all
@@mr.z541 it's been found to be as unhealthy as having a smoker in the house. Helps drive up childhood respiratory problems like asthma.. So yeah, it is bad.
@virangaabeywickrema3901 the research shows it is as bad as having a smoker in the house. So yeah, most people wouldn't put up with that, but gas industry has conned people into poisoning the air in their homes.
Wok induction cooktops are a thing as well. 👍
How are wok induction cooktops shaped?
@@markdowse3572 There are many to choose from, have been available for many years. There is an apartment in Sydney, Chinatown, each apartment has one.
The induction is concave with the coil around the curvature. Easy to find online.
Yeah. They're not that good though. There is a long way to go before induction wok burners will be able to be a viable replacement for the gas equivalent.
@@giantpunda2911 A gas bottle weight is a very useful metric too - 5KW on for 4 minutes and 45 seconds uses 1.43 megajoules of electricity, and burning 0.12Kg propane or butane releases nearly 6 megajoules of heat. So the induction cooker is literally 4x more efficient than burning hydrocarbon fuel, and it suggests a kitchen using these cooktops instead of gas would heat up about 4x slower too! And there's nothing preventing the power from going much, MUCH higher than this even with a redesigned coil and electronics. This is clearly the future.
Not that you really need one for typical home cooking.
Our 40 year old steel wok does just fine on the flat stove
Gas is cleaner then coal
Coal accounts for about 75 per cent of Australia's electricity generation, followed by gas (16 per cent), hydro (5 per cent) and wind around (2 per cent)
Gas is dirty, and a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. So yeah, nah. You're arguing over whether winning blues or reds are dirty or clean: they are both dirty AF. And gas in your home is pollution right where it can do most harm.
Also your figures are more than a bit wrong.. it was 29% in 2021. And 36% in 2022. So yeah, you're just pushing BS.
It is actually not quite as clear cut as that. While gas based electricity is cleaner than coal based electricity. When considering cooking, it is actually about the same greenhouse gasses on average to use a coal power powered induction cooktop vs a gas burner. This is due to the very poor heat transmission efficiency of gas, and the very high conduction efficiency of induction.
To put some numbers to it, coal power plants are about 37% efficient on average, and an induction cooktop transfers about 85% of input electricity to the food, this gives a net fuel to food efficiency of about 31.5%. The net food to fuel efficiency of gas into the food is, surprisingly about 32%. However once you include the efficiency of gas and renewables in the electricity mix, and the longer term efficiency induction is clearly better for new installs. And the health impacts are on top of this.
How about electricity lost from power generators to your house? I agree induction is a better technology but saving a planet because you use it.... Just pure BS...
Your figures are out of date. Renewables are around 30% now, and often over 50%.
@@deanstyles2567 source: trust me bro
Definitely isn't going to put a dent in the environmental problems, but I do like using a pan on induction. Unfortunately if saving the planet is why we do things then we are wasting our money. If not for the emotional comfy num-nums we gets from being green... we would have nothing to show for our efforts. The world is going to have more pollution and not less. Our efforts are in vain because our efforts are more than countered.
Everything is cumulative. No one environmentally friendlier thing is designed to be the only fix.
Induction, hands down!