Heron's Formula Proof (the area of a triangle when you know all three sides)

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  • We can find the area of any triangle with Heron's formula when we know the sides of the triangle. Here we will see how to prove the heron's formula, which is a classic trigonometric result. And because you like Hero's formula, you probably will also like the proof of the following...
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Komentáře • 469

  • @BrainGainzOfficial
    @BrainGainzOfficial Před 4 lety +385

    I've always used the law of cosines to prove it, but this is pretty slick! Thx bprp

    • @thereaction18
      @thereaction18 Před 4 lety +32

      Did they even have the law of cosines when Heron proved this?

    • @BrainGainzOfficial
      @BrainGainzOfficial Před 4 lety +35

      The Reaction - No, but I believe his argument was purely geometric rather than algebraic.

    • @thereaction18
      @thereaction18 Před 4 lety +31

      @@BrainGainzOfficial I completely overlooked that they might have not even had algebra either. It would be nice to see how he did it.

    • @BrainGainzOfficial
      @BrainGainzOfficial Před 4 lety +10

      The Reaction - check out chapter 5 of journey through genius by William Dunham. I think you can find it online for free. It’s a pretty interesting proof!

    • @IvanRandomDude
      @IvanRandomDude Před 4 lety +3

      @@thereaction18 How do you mean they didn't have algebra? They obviously had it, at least geometric algebra

  • @akshatjangra4167
    @akshatjangra4167 Před 4 lety +191

    "HE RUNS" formula
    CZcams's captions in a nutshell

  • @debblez
    @debblez Před 4 lety +459

    I love how he pronounces “cancelled” as “canceldid” so much

    • @mohamedsamsudeen7694
      @mohamedsamsudeen7694 Před 4 lety +34

      Cancelled it😊

    • @Kitulous
      @Kitulous Před 4 lety +20

      splendid canceldid!

    • @Kitulous
      @Kitulous Před 3 lety +6

      @Yosif Abbas and I can't believe I actually posted that

    • @tomatrix7525
      @tomatrix7525 Před 3 lety +20

      As a non native english speaker, (chinese for that matter, very different) he is thinking of cancelled as the base verb, and adding ed to make it past, but he is making a past tense go into like a double past tense, so he says cancelleded

    • @jostromp7380
      @jostromp7380 Před 3 lety +7

      2:42

  • @carlkohweihao9584
    @carlkohweihao9584 Před 4 lety +96

    When you kept playing with the factorization rules at around 6:00, I already figured out how to prove Heron's formula. I tried to verify the formula years ago using the sine rule (A = ½bc sin t), but the equation got very complicated until I didn't know how to simplify it. This video shows the importance of mastering algebra, especially when it comes to solving simple problems like this.

  • @arsilvyfish11
    @arsilvyfish11 Před 4 lety +72

    Thats a nice proof without any trigo involved making it clean and simple😄

    • @musical_lolu4811
      @musical_lolu4811 Před 3 měsíci

      If you look closer, you're actually indirectly proving the trig stuff (especially the cosine rule) along the way, you're just not explicitly stating the identity.

  • @yaleng4597
    @yaleng4597 Před 4 lety +46

    10:38 Never heard of that, but COOL!

    • @_.Infinity._
      @_.Infinity._ Před 3 lety +2

      You know the one who is credited with the invention of zero is Aryabhatta, but this dude (Brahamagupt) was the one who first gave rules to actually use zero for calculations. His formula shown here is one of the first applications of setting the other side equal to zero to solve a problem. He also has contributions in fields like linear algebra, trigonometry and astronomy.
      Here's a link to his wiki page if you're interested in knowing more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmagupta

  • @niyazikoken8836
    @niyazikoken8836 Před 4 lety +4

    Thats great video i always thought this theorem was long and needed so much effort so i never been curious about it and rarely used it but you changed my mind
    keep up the good work

  • @GoingsOn
    @GoingsOn Před 4 lety +6

    I’ve been wanting to see a proof of this formula for a while now. Thanks for showing this great proof!

  • @baselinesweb
    @baselinesweb Před 7 měsíci +2

    Your tone is really great - that is half the battle of being a good teacher. Great video I enjoyed it.

  • @12semitones57
    @12semitones57 Před 4 lety +4

    Thank you! I’ve always wondered about the proof!

  • @diffusegd
    @diffusegd Před 4 lety +50

    I got asked to do this as an interview question
    It took some, to say the least...

  • @mohammadfahrurrozy8082
    @mohammadfahrurrozy8082 Před 4 lety +8

    Blackcursorwhitecursor

  • @KaviAmanTenguriyaShaurya
    @KaviAmanTenguriyaShaurya Před 4 lety +5

    The formula for area of quadrilateral was shocking.
    Wow! Good information.
    You are doing good.

  • @N1t_in
    @N1t_in Před 2 lety +1

    Perfectly explained. Loved the video. Thank you so much😊

  • @dhruvvraghu6226
    @dhruvvraghu6226 Před 4 lety +14

    I'm so happy I found this, stay safe

  • @stefannikolov3505
    @stefannikolov3505 Před 4 lety

    I enjoyed very much. Thanks for making such nice videos!

  • @Sci-Fi-Mike
    @Sci-Fi-Mike Před 2 lety

    I proved Heron's formula a few years ago with SOHCAHTOA. This proof is much nicer and more concise. Great video, BlackPenRedPen!

  • @blackscreen4033
    @blackscreen4033 Před 4 lety +9

    Cuuute! it's something even young students can do to really stretch their algebra skills hehe it's easy but with some algebra tricks 😊 nice

  • @mohammadazad8350
    @mohammadazad8350 Před 4 lety +4

    I've squared the second quantity under the root and struggled with the algebra but finally I looked at what I had which is a fourth degree polynomial in terms of "a" and solved for "a" squared and took the square root and rearranged the solutions to get the product of the final 4 quantities Really amazing problem that I can actually solve.

  • @sabrinashamsiddinova2639

    I love youuu, so helpful, u just expplained it so simply and clearly

  • @tauqeerkhan7154
    @tauqeerkhan7154 Před 4 lety +1

    Awesome explanation!

  • @anisppeaks2736
    @anisppeaks2736 Před 4 lety +39

    I'm a backbencher sir,but your every explanation is just so easy to understand ♥️

  • @NoNameAtAll2
    @NoNameAtAll2 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you
    I've been dreaming about learning proof of this formula some 5 years now

  • @TheMauror22
    @TheMauror22 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video! Please do more proofs!

  • @sabrinashamsiddinova2639

    u r just great, thanks for making our studies easier, soon my exams, and so blessed to have found ur channel)))

  • @Rkbittu
    @Rkbittu Před rokem

    Very Easy to understand...Thank you

  • @BozoTheBear
    @BozoTheBear Před 4 lety

    Beautiful. A really excellent explanation.

  • @armanrasouli2779
    @armanrasouli2779 Před 4 lety +1

    thanks for the amazing content

  • @alokmishra7650
    @alokmishra7650 Před rokem

    I love this proof. Pls make more videos like this

  • @remopellegrino8961
    @remopellegrino8961 Před 3 lety +2

    Presh Talwalkar's fans will be complaining of you not using Gougu's theorem :-)
    Anyway, you are the king of CZcams math-teachers!!

  • @keertans7418
    @keertans7418 Před 5 měsíci

    This video is absolutely perefect form my math project!!!!! TYSM!!

  • @alexismisselyn3916
    @alexismisselyn3916 Před 4 lety

    I never knew about this formula, and the proof is really easy but I found this video extremely entertaniing

  • @whatisheartscont2be645

    That was beautiful!

  • @shawnclifford
    @shawnclifford Před 3 měsíci +1

    I was just curious as to how this was derived and this derivation is neat!

  • @hocinetctmt
    @hocinetctmt Před 4 lety

    Thank you for this great ful video

  • @stevemonkey6666
    @stevemonkey6666 Před 4 lety +3

    Old School Style blackpenredpen!

  • @cosimobaldi03
    @cosimobaldi03 Před 4 lety +30

    I've come up with a formula for the area of triangles using hard algebric geometry. It takes the sides squared as inputs, so it works best on a carthesian plane.
    A,B,C are sides squared
    A=1/4 * sqrt(- A2 - B2 - C2 + 2(AB+BC+CA))
    it uses pretty big numbers so it's better to use a calculator or use it in a program... But I'm sure it can be transformed into heron's and viceversa.

  • @AZ-tx5yd
    @AZ-tx5yd Před 3 lety

    thank you so much!

  • @tutorialstube2264
    @tutorialstube2264 Před 4 lety

    splendor, bro carry on

  • @yassinezaoui4555
    @yassinezaoui4555 Před 4 lety

    Such a gorgeous proof ✔

  • @smrtfasizmu6161
    @smrtfasizmu6161 Před 4 lety +1

    I always wanted to know this.

  • @noahtaul
    @noahtaul Před 4 lety +179

    Wow, I'd never heard of Bretschneider's formula at 10:38, that's weird! How do you prove it? It reduces to Heron when d=0.

    • @sx86
      @sx86 Před 4 lety +13

      bretschneider?

    • @Macieks300
      @Macieks300 Před 4 lety +30

      @@sx86 generalized Brahmagupta's = Bretschneider's

    • @erikkonstas
      @erikkonstas Před 4 lety +14

      TBF, it doesn't exactly reduce to Heron's formula because of the way θ is defined (it would be undefined).

    • @noahtaul
      @noahtaul Před 4 lety +18

      Έρικ Κωνσταντόπουλος Well it doesn’t matter what theta is because d=0 kills the cos^2(theta) part.

    • @erikkonstas
      @erikkonstas Před 4 lety +16

      @@noahtaul It does, you can't cancel an undefined part in your expression just by multiplying it with zero. Instead, the whole expression becomes undefined. It's similar to e.g. 0*1/0, it doesn't equal 0 or 1, it's undefined.

  • @marsbars1105
    @marsbars1105 Před 2 lety +1

    I actually discovered this formula in religion class by accident when I was playing around with 1/2ab * sin(C) and cosine rule (to find the angle used in the area formula and then use inverse trig identity). Thankyou for sharing this.

  • @hah1847
    @hah1847 Před 3 lety

    I just Love it.

  • @hipparchos
    @hipparchos Před 4 lety +23

    The formula is introduced in Heron's book Περί Διόπτρας, where he proves it by using the inscribed circle, an elegant geometrical proof

    • @johnbutler4631
      @johnbutler4631 Před 2 lety +1

      That's the proof that I was hoping he'd do.

  • @odysseasv7734
    @odysseasv7734 Před 3 lety

    thats so cool!!

  • @CDChester
    @CDChester Před 4 lety +4

    What 3B1B is a patron? Damn!

  • @EduRB98
    @EduRB98 Před 4 lety

    I love your videos! Can you tell my what programs do you use to record the screen and what app/program do you use to write? Do you use mouse for writing?

    • @jofx4051
      @jofx4051 Před 4 lety +1

      Guess it is Ms Paint-like since it has a brush like and it is possible to use Bandicam but He is using Mac so...
      Probably he wrote it using pen since if using mouse, it wouldn't be so good

  • @zoltangal3793
    @zoltangal3793 Před 4 lety

    Nice work. In the generalized Brahmagupta’s formula angle aplha correctly is half of sum of opposite angles.

  • @dushyanthabandarapalipana5492

    Thanks!

  • @uttamdas-zf6pi
    @uttamdas-zf6pi Před 4 lety

    It's really good sir.i want more mathematical proof sir

  • @solveit5153
    @solveit5153 Před 4 lety

    Wow amazing formula 😍

  • @atlasama69
    @atlasama69 Před rokem

    thank you !!!!

  • @raz0p
    @raz0p Před 4 lety

    Good bro, your videos are amazing. Please try in upcoming videos to solve
    Derivative of x!

  • @niom9446
    @niom9446 Před 2 lety

    Finally a proof I understand: :’)

  • @manoharkanade7383
    @manoharkanade7383 Před 2 lety

    We can use cosine formula a2= b2+c2-2abcos(c).Work out since and use area formula A= 0.5absinc

  • @mirkopusic1734
    @mirkopusic1734 Před 4 lety

    In Brahmagupta's formula I think θ is the sum of two opposite angles divided by two. I really like this video.

  • @canman5060
    @canman5060 Před 4 lety

    My most favourite proof.

  • @rajabhattacharjee6584
    @rajabhattacharjee6584 Před 4 lety

    Sir you are very talented

  • @yoavshati
    @yoavshati Před 4 lety

    3b1b is one of your patrons? That's awesome!

  • @cftuba5313
    @cftuba5313 Před 2 lety

    Thank you

  • @dovidglass5445
    @dovidglass5445 Před 3 lety +8

    Hi, on Wikipedia it says that Heron originally proved this using cyclic quadrilaterals; please could you make a video on that? Thanks so much.

    • @emmanueljosegarcia1975
      @emmanueljosegarcia1975 Před 2 lety +1

      It can be derived from a particular case of the generalized half angle formula. Se here: czcams.com/video/WbkQHnNthg8/video.html

  • @apdj94
    @apdj94 Před 2 lety

    Damn I always forget about Heron's formula and it's so useful! I totally could have used this on my Calc 2 homework a few weeks ago

  • @alialyahyai6886
    @alialyahyai6886 Před 4 lety

    Nice prove

  • @truthseeker3910
    @truthseeker3910 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice upload

  • @GlorifiedTruth
    @GlorifiedTruth Před 3 lety +2

    YEEESSSS. I LOVE IT.
    Now how the hell did Heron ever figure that out?

  • @aniruddhvasishta8334
    @aniruddhvasishta8334 Před 3 lety +1

    The same way Heron's formula works for triangles and Brahmagupta's works for quadrilaterals, I wonder if there's a general pattern for any polygon with n sides. I assume that the proof for the quadrilateral formula comes from cutting the quadrilateral into 2 triangles and applying Heron's twice, so theoretically it's possible to derive a formula for a pentagon and so on.

  • @jayvaghela9888
    @jayvaghela9888 Před 4 lety

    When I was in 9th there is where I learned heron formula & as note I found brahmagupta's formula & I'm amazed that just putting d=0 you can get heron's equation.. Man Indian Mathematician were too good at that time I always love to learn more & more about them

  • @wernergamper6200
    @wernergamper6200 Před rokem

    Great!

  • @Ironmonk036
    @Ironmonk036 Před 4 lety +33

    Please do a video explaining the Bretschneider's formula at 10:38

    • @randomdude9135
      @randomdude9135 Před 4 lety +7

      Brahmagupta's***

    • @thecoolring6431
      @thecoolring6431 Před 4 lety +4

      @@randomdude9135 I think he was High enough..

    • @noahtaul
      @noahtaul Před 4 lety +4

      Random Dude no, Brahmagupta’s formula is only for cyclic quadrilaterals, and doesn’t have the last cosine term.

    • @rasheedmohammed2227
      @rasheedmohammed2227 Před 4 lety +1

      No blackpenredpen spelt it wrong lol

  • @RajThakkar248
    @RajThakkar248 Před rokem

    It's quite complex but alongside its helpful too! :⁠-⁠)

  • @nguyennhatnguyen5797
    @nguyennhatnguyen5797 Před 4 lety

    VERY NICE

  • @aliagree8448
    @aliagree8448 Před 2 lety

    Very Nice

  • @marouaniAymen
    @marouaniAymen Před 4 lety

    Great, this video proved 3 formulas at the same time, one formula attributed to a Chinese mathematician from the 13th century, then a formula found by Kahan anb finally the Heron's formula.

  • @dainispolis3550
    @dainispolis3550 Před 2 lety +1

    By me best herons formula prof is to prof volume of equilateral triangle , and then any other treangle as resized equilateral in two directions, so this can be used as prof for n-dimensional triangles volume

  • @digbycrankshaft7572
    @digbycrankshaft7572 Před 2 lety

    Nice. 👍

  • @stapler942
    @stapler942 Před 2 lety

    I love the phrase "invite into the square root house", I never thought of thinking of it that way.

  • @yashwanthkumar8013
    @yashwanthkumar8013 Před rokem

    The same way i also derived this formula .....It's suprising to me that I can think like the blackpenredpen....

  • @Anuj_906
    @Anuj_906 Před rokem +1

    ThanksMaster

  • @woonnarambabu9293
    @woonnarambabu9293 Před 4 lety

    @bluepenredpen I have a doubt well, are all numbers equidistant from infinity?

  • @GURUDEVCLASSES
    @GURUDEVCLASSES Před 4 lety

    NICE EXPLANATION SIR. YOU ARE GREAT. #themathsgurudev

  • @user-ly5bc4xd2s
    @user-ly5bc4xd2s Před rokem

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  • @user-nt9mt5br1q
    @user-nt9mt5br1q Před 4 lety

    I like, that you always smile)

  • @jakobthomsen1595
    @jakobthomsen1595 Před 10 měsíci

    Very nice :-)

  • @ractan4107
    @ractan4107 Před 4 lety +2

    or Area=1/4 sqr((P(P-2a)(P-2b)(P-2c)) P is The perimetr of ABC

    • @jofx4051
      @jofx4051 Před 4 lety

      It can be used that but looks like most people uses Heron since it has simpler formula

    • @98danielray
      @98danielray Před 4 lety

      okay?

    • @sergey1519
      @sergey1519 Před 4 lety

      My favorite ways to write it are
      (4S)^2 = (a+b+c)(a+b-c)(a+c-b)(b+c-a)
      and
      S^2 = xyz(x+y+z), where
      p = (a+b+c)/2
      x = p-a
      y = p-b
      z = p-c

  • @adenpower249
    @adenpower249 Před 4 lety +14

    My man please prove Stewart's theorem.

  • @soulless3766
    @soulless3766 Před 4 lety

    Hi, nice video buddy! Can you answer me this question? How many planes are defined by one line and 3 collinear points that do not lie on that line

  • @dainmeister
    @dainmeister Před 4 lety +2

    I'm going to use this for right triangles from now on and nobody can stop me

  • @bludeat7398
    @bludeat7398 Před 4 lety

    heya! can you make more videos like that logarithmic one? im home... in boredom and I love solving problems like that ^^ thx

    • @erikkonstas
      @erikkonstas Před 4 lety +1

      He has a lot of older videos with clever problems!

  • @uy-ge3dm
    @uy-ge3dm Před 4 lety +1

    There's a simpler version. Through law of cosines, we have cos(A)=(a^2+b^2-c^2)/2ab. Then, we have sin(A)=sqrt(1-cos^2(A))=(1-cos(A))(1+cos(A)) and you can easily finish the proof using 1/2 bc*sin(A). It's the same algebra as above except you skip a lot of steps.

    • @nathanisbored
      @nathanisbored Před 4 lety +1

      u8y7541 the nice thing about the method in the video is that it uses only basic algebra and no trig functions. depending on where you live, you learn this kind of algebra before you learn about trig functions (at least I did), so for that reason I would consider this method more elementary

  • @smrtfasizmu6161
    @smrtfasizmu6161 Před 4 lety +2

    The first part of the proof is so simple and straightforward yet I have never been able to do it on my own (maybe I did the first part of the proof, but I know for sure that I was never able to prove this formula which bugged me since I always feel uneasy using formulas that I can neither prove rigorously or have some good intuitive understanding why they should be true without knowing the rigorous proof. Just implementing/using a formula that I have read in a textbook always felt like cheating)

    • @castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952
      @castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952 Před 4 lety

      You can try this formula faster knowing a little trigonometry (half angle)

    • @smrtfasizmu6161
      @smrtfasizmu6161 Před 4 lety

      @@castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952 I know formulas for half angles, I knew how to derive all trigonometric formulas I have been working with. But I couldn't derive Heron formula. That's what bugged me using it felt like cheating.

    • @castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952
      @castilloguevaragiancarlomi6952 Před 4 lety

      ​@@smrtfasizmu6161 Sorry I think I did not read your comment well my native language is Spanish

  • @Drialux
    @Drialux Před 2 lety

    Good video

  • @RiteshNEVERUNIFORM
    @RiteshNEVERUNIFORM Před 4 lety

    Best maths teacher

  • @cooleslaw
    @cooleslaw Před 4 lety

    Nice.

  • @Rasa_b
    @Rasa_b Před 2 lety

    Embezzlement can be very well demonstrated using geometry

  • @UnKnown-lf7bl
    @UnKnown-lf7bl Před 4 lety +1

    I am in 10th grade and this is the first video of BPRP that I understood well

  • @Ramkabharosa
    @Ramkabharosa Před 2 lety +2

    In any Δ ABC, the Cosine Rule gives cos(C) = (a²+b²-c²)/(2ab).
    So, sin(C)= √[-cos²(C)] =√[(2ab)²-(a²+b²-c²)²]/(2ab). ∴ area(ABC)
    =(ab/2).sin(C) =√[(2ab/4)²-{(a²+b²-c²)/4}²] which can be facto
    -rized to give Heron's formula. But who need's Heron's formula!
    For the 5,6,7 triangle; the area = √[{2(5)(6)/4}²-{(5²+6²-7²)/4}²]
    = √[(60/4)² - (12/4)²] = √[15² - 3²] = √(225 - 9) = √216 = 6√6.
    .

  • @harshmishra9941
    @harshmishra9941 Před 4 lety

    pls do the trigonometrical proof also using sine and cosine formulae

  • @JungKookOfficiaI
    @JungKookOfficiaI Před rokem +1

    this is insane

  • @TechnoSan09
    @TechnoSan09 Před 3 lety +2

    Whats brahmagupta's formula
    Yeah ik it gives the quad area but pls elaborate it