A New Rock Bottom - The Story of Tobuscus (Toby Turner)
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Toby was known for his creativity when he was seen as a rising star. That creativity has since then shifted unintentionally by providing ever more creative ways to ruin his reputation and chance at recovery, yet he does not stop.
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00:00 Intro
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2:40 Pre CZcams Toby Turner
5:40 Beginnings on MetaCafe and CZcams
17:40 Toby gets massive traction
28:34 Burnout & less uploads
33:33 Scandal after scandal
56:40 Final attempts for a comeback & building frustration at CZcams
1:15:42 A Tesla & insanity
1:24:30 Conclusion
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Great video, not the way I would have framed it but still well done.
Still think "Rise, Fall and Return of Tobuscus" would have been a better title not to mention neutral as well.
"Tesla & Insanity" i think is more with Toby talking about what he really thinks. It was very much a welcome thing and many of his fans/supporters identified and agreed with many of his opinions. Not to mention many of his opinions politically was super moderate and not extreme in any way, at most leaning slightly right.
Politics has been allowed to enter everything including entertainment. I think it's ridiculous to expect people to continue to ignore politics especially now. Toby's commentary was warranted and was poking fun at both extremes while maintaining his moderate "pro-the country he lives in" views.
Goes without saying I disagree with your (Joon's) view on this part of the video and the conclusion. He didn't exactly change his ideology as no one knew or was aware what he believed politically. And his "unhinged" demeanor is his character or how he acted the whole time. From the beginning of his youtube career till now. I think he is freer or doesn't care about false accusations since he was forced wrongly through the system that destroyed much of his life and career. I don't see it as him spinning out of control as you insinuate or others in the comments have claimed but rather he's attempting to find his footing on youtube again.
And he seems to be doing better letting himself go during the whole debacle and now is clearly taking care of himself and putting his well-being first before youtube. Also i found it funny that you were criticizing his LAZY vlog for being done too lazily and not being rotated.
@@mrazaq 🥲
I see a person that believed so much of the person he created when taken away, he is now lost as a person after seeing this. I think his videos now are more or less him going through an existential crisis. He is flawed but neither a hero or villain imo and I hope he can get better, I think the videos could him trying to get the spotlight again as well but his mental torness vetween himself and the personification/online personality is broken like shattered glass. Toby Turner vs Tobuscus sort if like Jimmy Mcgill compared to Saul Goodman. Literally his own politics wasn't his own but people he asked so I'd imagine it's a bit of wanting to get something off an opinion but also trying to even figure what he even believes in.
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Many people forgotten how absolutely massive toby turner was back then. He was literally the pewdiepie and markiplier before they got big
He really was. His gaming channel was everywhere and getting massive views and constant recommendations. This video nails it in describing the multifaceted ways it all went to pot.
damn
Literally no one forgot that
@@Arcanecide except all the gen alpha kids on youtube/the internet who have no idea who Tobuscus is. I started watching youtube in 06/07. There are kids watching youtube born AFTER that lol
@@adamramirez4764ok but at the oldest theyre like 12, why are we caring what 12yos know about
I swear, Tobuscus was a Disney actor that escaped the cloning vats and never got used.
you know, famous people who descend into madness like this have seen the contracts and what dark shit these companies get into act just like this, you're probably right.
He was used in the annoying orange show
Bible truth
That’s…..scarily accurate.
lmao to be fair, "they don't knock, they bust down the door. which is fun because then you get to talk to them faster" is actually really funny
I know he really is a funny, talented guy. Sad to see him spiral like this.
If they kick in your door, at least you know you're not going to having a boring interaction. I'd be on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what they want!
hes always been funny, and that partly why extreme hate preachers who are also entertaining are so dangerous. no one can deny toby is funny in almost everything he speaks about, he makes hate, fun
honestly it really was 😭😭
@@flandersnatch2285 That's an interesting take, I always took it as dark people coping with comedy. I'm very much like that myself, maybe that's why I see someone like this in a better light than most, but the world really does blow sometimes, and the best coping mechanism is to try to be funny about it. It's not that they're maliciously trying to make hate fun, it's just that the world has so much to hate about, and comedy is one of the least painful and effective ways to talk about it.
The tragic irony of one of the women suggesting he isn't the type to push themselves on others, later saying he comes to her home, leaves letters on her car, and harasses her via email despite being told to stop over and over.
“Well, he didn’t rape ME so must have never happened to you.”
She can fix him
@@Paladin_Johnson the language used by the two women around the 40 mins mark made my neck hurt lmao
karma works bluntly
It's crazy to read the comments on that first video. Tons of "I knew he was a good person" comments, even after her "he's stalking me" video came out.
I remember when Tobuscus was the biggest thing ever, then overnight it's like he ceased to exist.
I think I started seeing him when Pewds was like 500,000 or so subscribers behind him. I kept watching Toby for about two years max and then stopped without reason honestly but what his downfall is really sad
Never heard of em
The literal trailers and Minecraft songs used to have such a stranglehold over me. His Skyrim playthrough as well. He used to be the king of middle school back in 2011
From kooky kid friendly gamer guy to amphetamine-freak sex pest in 5, 4, 3, 2....
He would've probably ended where is now anyway. He had (and by the looks of it, still has) pretty bad drug problem.
Holy shit, she went from Tobuscus to Social Repose? It’s like surviving Hiroshima and taking shelter in Nagasaki
🤣🤣🤣
"Ahhhh out of the burning building where should I go? This Volcano looks nice."
Wow it's almost like abusers seek out abuse victims so they can continue to exert control over people!
she has a type😏
@@DrizzleSports rude ass
There is a deep stabbing sadness that comes from seeing the decline of someone who brought you so much joy as a child. It’s bad enough seeing so many of them vanish into obscurity or quit but it’s a whole other experience seeing their lives go up in flames like skydoesminecraft and tobuscus.
Also, Cryaotic.
@@illyrium129I listened to a vid fully explaining the cry situation and man did it get much worse than I thought, he did awful unforgivable things but I also feel bad for him. He lived in a bad household with a bad step-dad and alcoholic mother where he was the main provider of income, dude had a full on mental breakdown on stream. It's really sad and I hope he gets/got help cause he definitely needed it, none of this excusing his behavior and the grooming and cheating of course but no one deserves to be in a mental state like that
I agree....always believe "her" I always believe the victim. Just fucking wrong. As someone who also had an ex of mine who got me into illicit drug abuse, and coerced into drinking I honestly felt for the victims.
@@ArquaticDreamer1994I…don’t. Sorry i will listen and take it into account and confront the person about it. Because unless it’s clearly evident I just won’t immediately believe you.
@@GrimViridiani’m in a mental state far worse than what cry has ever seen, you do not see me doing a fraction of what cry did
the comparison Harley made of Toby to Gatsby throwing extravagant parties to fill the void of feeling alone and worthless, to elicit praise and fuel his ego, and ultimately to make himself seem more important than he is is truly a great insight.
The epic meal time man shows up super randomly and he's always like, super aware and super keen on the tea. It's WEIRD
Oh my god... that's why Toby wears green. It's the green light.
tbf Toby was important for a while, he was at the top of the CZcamsr foodchain for a while.
But I do agree he was trying to fill a hole. He just doesn't seem to have any direction and tried to put himself in the on a pedestal to remind everyone of what he was.
@@wavewingman5993 omg hahaha
@@wavewingman5993 high school english vibes fr
A has-been children's entertainer driving around by himself in an overpriced car looking like he hasn't slept or bathed in days; ranting into his phone unable to come to terms with his eroded fame is kind of like a modern day version of the Greek myth of Tantalus.
Or live-action BoJack Horseman
he literally probably hasn't slept in days. I believe he is manic. I can't say that it's absolutely true but if you know mania, i dont know how you couldn't see it. Plus, he was 100% tripping in the sideways video he made. Look at his pupils they're freaking huge
@@Pegarexucorn yep, considering the average youtube career lasts between 5 and 7 years, Toby's 16 year long run not only doesn't have a clear off ramp to anything approaching a normal life again; but his scandals make his almost total lack of alternative employment options even more difficult.
More like sissifus
I miss his videos from like 2006.
The way he randomly laughs out of nowhere and how his tone of voice never changes, despite talking about desperately texting his ex or getting swatted, is incredibly unsettling.
I think that's just a way for him to cope... It's easy to look deranged when you're on constant alert, or terrified of truly showing people how broken up you are about something. Emotional vulnerability is not easy for everybody
I assume it's even harder for someone like him who constantly puts on a "haha funny man" mask for the sake of his extremely young audience and his marketability. But I think it's most likely just how he is as a person, I am the same in that regard :/
@@PoptartParasol he's manic as fuck dude. I can't be 100% certain but im 90% certain. The way his eyes are darting about, the pacing of his speech, the stumbling and backtracking. The way he sorta seems upset at times but is still all happy going and then right back to super happy tone. Not to mention in the video that was sideways his pupils were dialated as hell. He was tripping 100%. Probably triggered his latent bipolar if i were to guess. Also, the video where he mentions being sorta gay is very manic-like. I've read about straight or gay or whatever sleepig with people while they are manic that they normally wouldn't sleep with. I am almost certain this guy is manic.
The fact that he uses the same voice when playing Minecraft and talking about Kyle Rittenhouse is really off putting. And his apology videos have shown that he’s capable of changing it when the situation calls for it, making it even weirder.
@@Pegarexucorn agreed the video where he was talking about his mom and crying and then unpromptly told himself to shut up really made me uncomfortable. Definitely something is wrong.
@@minervaowl8298 damn i do that too :(
social repose talking about someone else making unwanted advances has got to be one of the funniest things I've heard this year
its comical really
Wait is he rapey himself?? Is there a virtuous man on this planet? I think an asteroid hit all the reasonable men who could keep their hands to themselves.
Its a short fall from that high horse
What a weird freak he is
As someone who was a child in 2011 nugget in a biscuit was definitely peak humor
I was BEGGING my mother to buy mashed potatoes and chicken nuggets and biscuits and barbeque sauce. I would not tell her why, so she never did it.
dude remember when we were all laughing at charlie bit my finger?
this hurts. can you do it now?@@thaloblue
God it would drive my parents nuts back then because I would only repeat the part I remembered. “chicken nugget, nugget in a biscuit” over, and over, and over….
@@T9K66 I have no leg to stand on when ppl mock tiktok kids like did y'all remember what we were repeating ad nauseum and how much nonsense it was?
Hearing Phillip DiFranco actually say "rape" and "sexual assault" in a CZcams video uncensored gave me whiplash; CZcams has become so sanitized these days.
I know what you mean I heard the uncensored N word in a video and it stopped my sentence.
@@EcchiAniFan niggas say nigga all the time bruh
Because people have been using r*pe as a "ha ha funny" word in videos for years, so CZcams has clamped down on it because advertisers don't really want to be playing on videos where people are making R*pe jokes
@@EcchiAniFan oh no how terrible, whatever shall we do..oh the humanity
@@mintz9782Ohh my dear viewer, please think about the poor CZcams stock investors and advertisers!! It's truly an uphill battle for the little guy you know.
Y'know, Toby's fate isn't so much a fall from grace as it is a fuckin' thermonuclear meltdown.
eventually he just said fuck it and switched from a shovel to a backhoe to build the biggest fuckin hole possible
I'm just not getting that from him. To me, it just looks like he has grown up. Most gamers haven't. 😆
@@villanelle8888 He's grown up into becoming that one uncle no one in the family talks about
Nah. I don't see much reason to hate him unless you care about politics. Joon calling it "a new rock bottom" when it's nothing new at all.
@@jahlovegoogle9644 mm, yes, being an abusive ex that loves to keep bothering an ex thats already asked him to leave her alone multiple times, cheating on multiple women, spreading conspiracy theories wrt corona, and finding someone like Kyle Rittenhouse to be a relatable underdog. totally no reason to hate him outside of politics at all
I found it hilarious that in one of these very old clips, someone is already dissing Onision. The nuclear predator of the internet was already in hot water back THEN.
People have always hated Shane Dawson, Onision and their ilk it just took until the past few years for the masses to finally get the picture
As someone with bipolar disorder, it is not a quick switch of moods. Bipolar disorder is a few days or weeks depressed, and then on the flip side being manic/hypomanic. That’s more like CPTSD/BPD.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE BOTH. but it is very annoying when someone says someone is bipolar because they had a drastic mood change.
His mental decline is depressing for those who watched him, including myself. I didn't know he has spiralled this far.
And seeing him drive and not focusing on the road had me panicking.
That's why I mask my audience from my decreasing mental health, I'm trying to get rid of it, just been depressed lately because I haven't been able to express my creativity because my computer is broken so I haven't been able to make content since June 2022
Who tha fook is that guy👆
Good thing he whippin a tesla
@@mommasbigboy8656 I love your comment
From memory he used to always vlog driving.
No matter how many times I hear his name, my brain automatically processes it as _Timmy_ Turner.
Timmy Turner my name is Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale DImmadome, Thank you for locating my long lost son Dale Dimmadome, heir to the Dimmsdale Dimmadome fortune. If there's anything I can do to repay you for your kindness, all you need to do is ask!
@@harrytodhunter5078
Right? Not right! Not right? Right! Right! Not right!
@@harrytodhunter5078 Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome?
@@AllLifeIsTravestyThat’s right! Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimsdale Dimmadome
Timmy changed his name after his fairy oddparents died, trying to let go of his former life with them. No one believed his oddparents existed. The pain of losing them along with being told they were a figment of his young imagination kinda derailed his life after a while
the irony of jaclyn saying the girls were over exaggerating about toby to toby e-stalking her is not lost on me
Yeah, when you're in that kind of relationship, it's hard to break up if you really like a person, and it's hard to be with someone who you admit did some really bad stuff, so I guess you just default to defense mode.
Honestly, I just thank God in heaven that he had a situation where he could help his cancer stricken mother. If there are silver linings to his CZcams career, I’d put this one up top.
I swear every CZcamsr who was popular among kids during the minecraft age of youtube is cursed to become a lunatic
Toby and SkyDoesMinecraft were my firsts and man, it sucks seeing all that crash. Sucks to see that the new generation is experiencing the same with guys like Dream keeping the "mcyt to controversial figure pipeline" tradition alive
...or were they always lunatics and CZcams merely took off the hinges for them?
Wake me up when the rise and fall video of Dream comes out
@@TheRedCap30 won't be too long now that the allegations are picking up steam
That's because minecraft is garbage, i refuse to ever play it, even when i was kid, i never liked it
Watching those vlogs you showed, I don't know how anyone can deny this man was having a breakdown. It's not normal to constantly hound a woman and then laugh it off by saying she told you to never give up years ago, while on the verge of tears.
Yeah... It's pretty nuts that that wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back
Heartbreak makes you do crazy things. The key is to move on over time. Those claiming they’ve never at least been somewhat weird in such a situation are either in denial or have never had their heart broken
@@clownworld4655 sending a few pathetic texts a few weeks after a breakup is normal. Hounding a woman for literally years with hundreds of constant emails is not normal or excusable.
@@clownworld4655i agree with what youre saying but not in this context lol
@@clownworld4655Why do you keep projecting what YOU feel or experience onto others? People are either in denial or never experienced heartbreak and there's no other options? Just stop. Speak for yourself.
The thing that stopped me watching Toby was the fact that I just don't know him. And I don't mean that in a weird parasocial way but like comparing him to other big youtubers like Pewds, Jack or Mark they had a character about them but as the content grew and they realised the dangers of not making a clear boundary. They dropped that character and became more genuine. Of course it's only what they want us to see, but they were very clear about boundaries and where they stood with their audience. They made it clear that the character they portrayed for their content wasn't someone real or to know.
Toby was just never genuine. He puts on this persona for his vids and gaming which is fine, but even in vlogs that persona was still there. And we know and have confirmation it's an act from Toby himself and friends. Even in recent vlogs he's talking about rather serious stuff but sprinkling in dumb voices and just an overacting personality.
Tobuscus never grew as a content creator. It feels like he's still in the late 00s/early 10s.
I remember Jacksepticeye once making a comment that he would prefer fans who recognise him in the street and want to talk to him to refer to him as 'Jack' rather than 'Sean'
It's as you say: making those boundaries where possible is good for you and your audience
I don't think it's an act. I think that's actually him. He's just a genuinely weird dude. That's the unsettling part.
@@sasquanaut611 I'm inclined to agree, there are people where "over exaggeration" / "over acting" is truly just part of their character and how they learned to express themselves.
So you have to know someone’s real personality to be able to enjoy their content? What a miserable existence that must be.
Imagine getting your tooth pulled and the dentist starts doing the old man voice, that could’ve been our future.
I remember, when I was younger, reading a fanfic where Toby and Anthony Padilla are both trying to win you over. It was so cursed. That's it, I just needed to scream this into the void
Oh god. There were a lot of those back in the day. I always found them hilarious lol.
The void is screaming back
I will never be the same after this
Anthony wins
I remember reading one where some dad was trying to set Toby up with his son iirc
As someone who works in the mental health field, it bothers me when people refer to mood shifts as “bi polar”. That is not what bi polar disorder I or II is. It is a shift between deep depressions and episodes of intrusive mania. It isn’t someone who exhibits opposing moods within an afternoon.
thank you for that, a family member has bipolar disorder and it's not that they just swing up and down at every minute but rather there were phases of walking on eggshells to being bubbly and super social. that doesn't mean emotional volatility isn't a symptom of bipolar (manic stages can lead to extremes, etc) but it's not a surefire diagnosis. especially with the rise of emotional lability in younger people due to not knowing HOW to deal with their emotions.
i'm sure toby is on the spectrum, some of his behaviors that are being described as "psychotic" are just common traits of adhd or autism. really feels bad to see comments just jumping the gun on these behaviors because the guy's reputation has gone to shit. and like, the dude clearly has trauma of his own (i.e. getting swatted, fear of offending his audience/society, resentment towards a certain group).
i won't defend his actions but as someone who has hung out with adhd friends, i hate the "adhd people are geniuses and do no wrong" propaganda, cause sometimes they can be mean, irresponsible, and their quirks (when observed) can be bizarre to the less understanding. doesn't mean they're psychos.
As someone with it, it reads a lot more like Borderline. The fear of abandonment, the emotional volatility and impermeance, the substance abuse, the intense unstable relationships - if someone produced accounts of that to a psychiatrist, that's the diagnosis they'd be given
@@braytechexoscience2790 that certainly seems like a much more accurate diagnosis, but I just don’t like how people ascribe mental health disorders to people simply experiencing human emotions in a manner they don’t like. It creates and enforces stigma and bias in a way that benefits no one.
Quick moment to moment shifts in temperament can often indicate BPD, which is often symptomatically confused with Bipolar Disorder.
@@vincentoconnor5640 Could always be CPTSD. That one has similar presentation to BPD
"Relationships are complicated and it just didn't work out." No my dude, the relationship ended, she moved on, and he continued to stalk her. A person blocking someone on every social and then responding to the continuous emails with "Leave me alone. Don't contact me ever again." is not complicated. It's a very strict and clear boundary which he vaulted over. Dude is delulu.
Above all else, the most alarming accusation was that Toby allowed MINORS at his parties, in the presence of drugged up adults.
Theres a part of me that wonders if the "teens react kid" was Lia Marie Johnson...
Yeah ... never knew about that. Horrifying. So many things could've gone wrong or did.
Accusations without proof?
@@ojhinataShe was immediately who my mind jumped to. And given the way she went, it wouldn’t surprise me if going to those parties as a minor are what set her on the path she ended up on. It’s especially creepy because I remember her being the target of a lot of really creepy comments about her appearance while she was still underaged on that channel. Like holy shit man, there couldn’t have been a worse environment for a kid, let alone her specifically.
@@alastor8091its just accusations, just autistic people trying to get attention
It’s crazy that it used to be him vs Pewdiepie for most subscribers. He was such a well known and famous figure in the CZcams community and then he almost just… disappeared.
Feminism and the metoo movement destroyed him.
@@ShinigamiRyan seems he had a part in it too.
@@ShinigamiRyan not a good defense when a movement about exposing sexual abusers ends up "destroying" someone, bud
@ShinigamiRyan He was already teetering into irrelivancy before the accusations, because of the mobile game he was making. His videos slowed massively after he took on that project, and the quality and investment plummeted.
I cant speak for everyone, but personally I hadn't watched or heard anything from Toby in a few years before the allegations came out. In fact I'm pretty sure the allegations are what put him back onto people's radars, whereas most had forgotten about him. Personally I had outgrown his content and he didn't grow up with his audience either, his personality and content was a constant, but his audience were not. He didn't evolve like PewDiePie did.
This is coming from someone who bought a Tobuscus shirt too 😂
@@ShinigamiRyan the entire crux of the video is that his decline started before that and that he still had loyal fans during it before he fumbled the shit out of it.
I think Lyle Wrath summarized it all up perfectly when he said "literally every single place the guy went he creates a bad story about himself"
And then he killed Tobuscus with a belt buckle.
No mortal man can escape the gaze of his iconic all-seeing one eye.
When did he say that?
@@ectofriend MGSR playthroughI
There's a place called Lyle in the middle of the Nile
I especially like how his channel progressed into a 100% politically oriented channel after he professed so many tines that he knows absolutely nothing about politics
and after hearing his takes, we can agree he does not know anything about politics
*regressed
idk why i get the feeling that toby hasnt fallen from grace, but has always been this way and merely lost his editing staff that carefully masked him.
Eh you’re somewhat correct. As someone who went through a similar experience I can tell you that when something happens that breaks someone to the degree seen here you simply see who they really are deep inside without any social filters or personas. Everyone will look completely insane if you were able to see their thoughts. We are way less stable than we show on the outside and can’t even consciously grasp the complexity of our minds/behaviors. Basically we have far less control of ourselves than we think.
@@clownworld4655I agree . The human mind can only handle so much also . I Actually freakishly see a little bit of myself in him . I myself on social media went through a breakdown , and would post videos almost all day about every little thing I was doing what I was thinking in my head and looking back now it's super fucking concerning. He's definitely no angel , but I have sympathy for the fact that he's brain is completely Mushed
This pretty much. It's hard for people to change, most of the time you only get to see what they want you to see.
Toby without edits is the dingus he's always been. Everyone warned the world who he was without an editing team and he just shows his whole ass when they're all gone.
@@clownworld4655We have less control than we think? Speak for yourself. Lol
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e “speak for yourself” ah the stereotypical cope line word for word. People like you are the most dangerous because you are not self aware in the slightest and ironically have the least control
It's amazing how quickly you forget about someone you used to watch religiously and it hits you like a truck because of everything you've been through in such short time
Yo absolute truth man
Gold fish attention span the weed an TikTok’s don’t help 😔
@@ManCrushMondayTJ McmTJ, wtf are you talking about?
@@crack4184 read it again damn slow asf
@@ManCrushMondayTJHave you not heard of commas before?
the argument of "they weren't abusive to me so they aren't abusive" will always be the stupidest argument to prove someone's innocence, in my opinion
My mom has always told me to never put my hands in the fire for anyone and it's true. No one can know everything that happens, why insert yourself into that situation bc it didn't happen to you? Even if there's only a miniscule chance you're wrong, why risk that? I wouldn't at least.
@@erikathesomething Exactly. She just wanted to get views. This is why women can't have nice things. Other women will always tear us down.
@@gladitsnotme Your statement can be reversed and also have a point... welcome to the difficult world we live in.
the way she was like “toby always stopped when i said no” and then went on to make a video about how he was repeatedly harassing her after she asked him to stop multiple times lol
That wasn’t the argument. The argument was that the girl who abused him had terrible evidence that contradicted itself.
This whole video really makes my heart break. I was born in 2000, so I was among exactly the young demographic that Toby's videos appealed to. I watched them religiously, even got my whole family into the videos to the point where we's crowd into my mom and dad's room to watch Toby's new uploads together on my dad's computer, the biggest screen we had at the time before smart TVs could play CZcams videos. We'd sing his silly songs together on long drives/road trips, or even just during monotonous tasks like cooking and cleaning. My dad even bought a bunch of stuff from KFC at least once to make our own "chicken nugget biscuits" and dip them in barbecue sauce, and I can say they were actually really good, lol. He undeniably influenced my and my sibling's humor, it was so similar to our dad's humor, that even though he'd often make fun of some of the things we watched in those early days of CZcams (My dad despised Fred and Annoying Orange) but Toby was different, we all loved him. Even as I watch this I find myself smiling at the sudden sight of his old videos I used to love so much, before it falls, remembering how far he's fallen. He seems like a truly broken man, and although I believe he needs to step away from the internet for his own good, and for the good of everyone including his (for legal reasons, alleged) victims, I do hope he gets the professional help I think he needs to live a full life again.
I envy your childhood, and am in a similar boat
Wow it sounds like we had the same childhood just without putting the youtube on tv also ANNOYING ORANGE AND FRED YES but my parents did not like Fred either 😂 but I would still watch Lucas Cruikshank
Tobuscus' greatest accomplishment was making DSP right about something.
Man, this guy was a big part of my childhood. My cousin and I loved watching his gaming videos. Kinda forgot about him for the past several years now
My condolences for your childhood
what are u gunna cry about it?
@Owen Miller huh
@@PabzRoz not at all, like I said, I forgot about him anyway
Same
You can't defend someone the the logic of "they didn't do it to me" everyone who's killed someone was a non murderer at some point
The same thing is evidenced in the case of Manson. Rose McGowan had only a positive experience with him but with every other woman, essentially, he was violent and manipulative.
I also don't understand what her already doing drugs and being married has to do with anything? You can conscientiously take drugs YOURSELF but that's different that someone basically shoving drugs in your mouth. Also it grosses me out that she's shocked this chick is saying "she finally knows what love is," when she attested she was given Molly and possibly on other substances. That's the kind of shit you might say in that circumstances. The shaming and stuff is unreal. And just because he didn't want to choke her doesn't mean anything--he could easily be only willing to do something like that to a partner when they're not a willing participant. I.e. R*pe and forcing drugs on people.
@@carnuatus
She literally set her friend up to get roofied and didn’t give a f afterwards
@@warlordofbritannia SERIOUSLY HOLY SHIT AND THEN BLAMED IT ON HER AND SAID HOW SHE WAS MARRIED WHEN SAID CHICK SAID SHE HERSELF WAS AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP. So perhaps the second girl was in an open marriage? Which is possible? Sigh.
Yes you can. It’s literally how it works in a court, there’s no hard evidence at all the proverbial “case” hinged on him building character infront of the “jury” it didn’t work and he lost but giving her experience is absolutely a valid defense
@@slothschewgum yes character testimony is a common tactic lawyers use, doesn’t mean its logical- u can pretty much find any random person from your life to say something nice about u unless ur a total social pariah
The secret sauce to all this is that Toby was *always* this. We were just kids and weren't ready for the red flags
I went from intrigue, to nostalgia, to disgust, to disdain, and now to plain pity. It's clear this man needs help. I don't know if he's seeing a therapist, but he needs to.
Why see a therapist when you can just catapult yourself across the political spectrum to the alt-right?
I’ll bet a guy like Toby doesn’t believe in therapy lol
@@thaloblue He's pretty centrist all things considered, most of his takes aren't even that far on the right.
@@KraNisOG People use those as a way to somehow discredit political views. Wither right or left, referring to toby as alt right is wild.
@@claytonno2571 The term alt-right is really just a buzzword. Still, it's wild how far right extremism is considered a sickness, but far left extremism is considered normal and healthy, despite being just as, if not more, schizophrenic, racist, and sexist as the far right. The only real difference is that the far right are more honest about how fucking insane they are. The left just tells you they're doing it out of love while they scream at you for being born "wrong".
The two videos made by Toby's ex's saying "because he didn't do it to me means he probably didn't do it you" makes me extremely uncomfortable.
Because it's victim blaming at it's finest.
I was thinking the exact same thing. It’s just gross
Yeah, I was honestly shocked at the lack of self awareness.
There are guys who have literally SAed, kidnapped & raped women and there are other women who can come forward and give similar testimony. And Toby isn't even close to that.
I'm not saying whether or not he did X or Y, but with most abusers, if you shut up and do what they say, then they'll be nice. If you always consent to sex... then they won't rape you, etc. Their ugly side comes out the moment you stop going along with whatever they want you to do, the moment you make their life any harder, etc. If you stay casual though and avoid ever bringing up problems, just keep your mouth shut and open your legs whenever they want...then yeah, they'll probably be nicer to you...for now. It'll take some extra years and preferably a marriage & a baby for it to come out.
(And that woman literally admitted that she did say "yes" to sex when Toby asked - if he asked over and over...and then argues because he never raped her, then he's incapable of it...??? Seems like she didn't give him any clear excuses to yell at her either, before she dipped out of being in such a personal vulnerable position. Maybe if she had been married to Toby, had kids, lived together and was a stay at home mom for some years in a row - then her character assessment might mean something, because he would have actually been tested.)
Lots of shitty abusers are nice to everyone else and keep up perfect appearances. Lots of abusers who yell, don't yell at everyone or in every situation. There are so many factors.
Again, just because she didn't see Toby abusing someone, doesn't mean that Toby did abuse someone, obviously. But it for sure as hell doesn't mean that he definitely didn't. Like, come on girl.
"I couldn't imagine him yelling at someone!" 🙄
Wow never heard that before, case closed! /s
W be w
The accusers and accusations were fishy you have to admit.
The story of Toby Turner, summarized.
“He had the right to remain silent, but he lacked the ability”.
"He was recommended (threatened) to remain silent, but he refused to".
Same with Mirandasings
@@cs5250 Hey man to be fair they didn't say she couldn't sing it. lol
@@cs5250that was a trip
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Honestly, with all the mediocre biopics that are made these days, Turner feels like a character who's legitimately fascinating enough on a psychological level to warrant a biopic.
Yeah this one hit way different.
Honestly yeah I’d totally watch that
Bruh I was so perplexed when DSP called out Tobuscus because this is the first time I’ve heard this. I was like “Shut the fuck up Phil, you’re way worse than everyone.”
It's even funnier that DSP has pretty much outlasted the old guard by pretty much doing nothing 😂
@@SnowCompanionHe’s like Luigi in Mario Party
Is Phil worse than everyone, though? He's a jerk, yes, and a garbage partner to his girlfriend he had. But as far as I know he was not physically abusive (a lot of talk from him but ultimately no bite I'm aware of) or a r*pist. Unfortunately that makes him better than a lot of content creators who have ended up in controversy.
“Never have we seen all 3”
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"A worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!"
@@JetEnduro96 I feel like it'd unfair to have Ray William Johnson here, as far as I'm aware he hasn't done anything crazy or controversial, nor had accusations against him
Four horseman
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@@JetEnduro96 hold on my man
What has RWJ done I thought he's alright
@@Dx20xygen7 Joon has a video about RWJ
Although he aged, his feel of humor is still on its Dane Cook 2006 era
A lot of millennials act like that tbh
@@BananaPhoPhilly that is so true 😬. They still think asdf and those types of ayylmao humor is *still* funny.
Makes it kinda awkward for me when I don't laugh 😅. But gen Z humor will probably be just as cringe to the next generation so what do I know
@@PoptartParasol I like trains
@@PoptartParasol I think gen z humor has more irony to it (maybe too much sometimes), which is why I find it way less annoying and more digestible. Millennial humor is unfunny and has 0 subtext lol like OP said it's stuck in 2006
Fr it's like he's stuck as playing this outdated character infront of the camera and he can't stop and be just be real. It's like something from the twilight zone or black mirror. He thinks it's the algorithm or other people instead of acknowledging he needs to change
It's easy to forget that we are the pioneers of the digital age. Never before has there been such an easy way for both sane and unhinged people to broadcast to millions across the globe. Your lesson at the end was absolutely perfect: You never REALLY know anyone completely, and that's even more so the case today.
The comment comparing him to the great gatsby sounds so accurate to his story. Hearing his story and hearing him talk, it feels like a kid that was never forced to grow up by his family, but has lost his own youth none the less. It's probably this recklessness that we are seeing now, it's sad to see how he is desperately trying to hold onto his old identity and mannerisms.
I know nothing about this man but those women who were supporting him during the allegations didn't refute anything. It's a he said/she said, but it always floors me when people act like their personal experience is universal. Some of the things they said even lended credibility to the accusations.
Yes exactly. Thank you.
"He didn't hurt ME. He was ok with ME."
So? They literally admit to him having a drug problem and being emotionaly or verbaly abusive. How far off would it be that maybe he also got physical if he was super high.
Also that one woman saying one of the victims took drugs willingly with him does not negate her being pressured or even spiked on another occasion.
Makes my blood boil
Literally yeah, they came out saying "well he never did X to me so how could he do it to someone else"
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't eat everyone he encountered either lmfao
exactly. ''well it didn't happen to me'' means nothing
So many people in this comment section seem to have missed the part where she says “I don’t know and you don’t know”. The point wasn’t that the accusers were lying, the point was that you shouldn’t just instantly wholeheartedly believe any allegation you see on the internet, because you simply _don’t know._ When someone’s moral character being publicly called into question, it is worthwhile to hear from people who have had relationships with him, regardless of how positive or negative they were. “I can’t imagine him doing this” is not the same as “he didn’t do it and this chick is lying through her teeth”; it’s someone else who had a relationship with him giving her own perspective.
As a childhood fan of Toby, watching him slowly deteriorate was absolutely sad to me. No one ever wants to see something like this happen, especially someone that was so well known and liked.
There are people still in Tobuscus’s comments saying things like “he’s speaking the truth, you just have to read between the lines” while he’s going on the most Charles mansonesque rant
There’s a difference between making a point and sounding insane
This is truly one of the more fascinating cases. The character arc here is crazy, especially when contrasted to the fact that many people's only point of comparison is watching him when they were children.
I can't imagine being like "he never hit me so you're a liar"
If someone told you your mom was a psycho killer would you call bullshit or believe a person you have nothing but good experiences with was actually a horrible person?
I can't imagine being like "i'm, gonna ignore all the bits where she said, 'i dont know what happend and am not saying it didnt', and just misreprestent her whole video."
Next time actually listen before you make a comment.
@@alastor8091 if there was strong evidence and/or numerous independent witness statements, I would at the very least consider the possibility
@@alastor8091 It's entirely possible for one person to be kind to you and horrible to someone else so yes, I would consider the possibility. One of my family members was abusive and cruel towards his child but completely kind and nice with me even though me and his child were the same age. It's very possible.
@@BunnLilah so if I just came up to you and told you your wife was actually a child eating cannibal you would honestly entertain the idea..... the lengths people go to to be contrairian.
unrelated but holy shit jaclyn glenn is involved in absolutely everything
Tbh she has horrid taste in men.
Also her "just cause I felt pressured to do things, didn't mean I was forced." Babe that's called peer pressure and its a manipulation tatic, it doesn't mean force feeding you the drvgs. Like wtf.
@@SaintShion yeah lmao her judgement can be a bit off but i heard she's married now with a kid so hopefully that's going well for her
She’s like the Forrest Gump of CZcams drama
@Jooles In the story of Forrest Gump, he keeps kind of blundering his way into bizarre scenarios and major historical events entirely by accident. He ends up inspiring Elvis' dance moves due to how he moved in his leg braces, he inadvertently starts some kind of movement when he goes on a long distance run, etc. He just keeps meeting people and falling into scenarios that lead to wild outcomes.
@@LaydiNitedon’t forget he was a principle investor in apple computers, won Bear Bryant his national championships at alabama, won an Olympic gold medal, was symbolically involved in desegregation, met John Lennon
You know how people like Jerma985 gets fans that joke about him being an insane person? Tobuscus is like that Jerma expect he's actually instable and gives off "I'm going to act all silly but the second you look away I'm going to stab you in the neck" vibe.
Least mentally ill floridian
Man, it hurts to see your heroes go down paths like this and not even realize what they’re doing is wrong
I feel like Social Repose and Toby getting into conflict over Toby refusing to stop messaging Jacelyn is that one meme with the two spider men pointing at each other.
Edit: What's with the people that watch this channel and dabbling in victim blaming whenever social repose gets mentioned?
lmfao 10/10
@My Avatar is Cooler than yours That's.. remarkably cold and doesn't seem to understand how these types of situations work. It's quite common for abuse victims to fall back on new abusers even if they get away, especially without any external assistance.
@My Avatar is Cooler than yours "I dont mean to victim blame but im pretty sure the victim is to blame here"
@My Avatar is Cooler than yours you can take this in a better way, that she's kind enough and open enough that she's vulnerable to men like that when many others would close off. But unfortunately people who are kind and open are targets for shitheads
@@urbanarmory kind and open is a nice way of saying foolish, at some point you just gotta own up and recognize that there's a pattern you have to break, because nobody else will, especially not your abusers
"I havent contacted my ex at all, except for sending her stuff that makes me think of her. cause it doesnt count." BRUH
mentioning now on rewatch, his ramblings remind me of Terry A Davis(RIP) which is uh. Not a good thing. There's something untreated going on there.
He could've legitimately been a successful actor or at least children's entertainmer on CZcams, but he blew everything. The moral of this story is don't do drugs, kids!
Even as a middle schooler/high schooler during Tobuscus' peak I could tell he was unhinged. Seeing these post-2014 videos it's almost terrifying.
Tobuscus was the first "celebrity" that just gave me bad vibes. I was 12 when he was at his biggest and I never watched any of his stuff because there was just something icky I felt about him
I feel like - watching him retrospectively - his character has the telltale signs of a manic personality. Back in the day, however, this just looked as him being an energetic, upbeat goofy jokester.
If you saw how he is on social media nowadays you be even more terrified.
We truly got Toby’s worst telltale ending 😮
NFFCKSNCKBB
One thing that I don't understand about this entire situation is that Toby said that his friends told him to not make a video talking about his side of the story. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I feel like if you're being wrongly accused of things like sexual assault and drug abuse that your friends would encourage you to try and tell your side of the story and not discourage it. That's what happened with the projared situation, and sure people came at their throats for it, but they were proven right by the end of it. It doesn't really make a lot of sense in hind sight and, honestly, it just makes me believe Toby's side less.
2 things can exist and be simultaneously be correct. Its usually advised to go silent as silly as it sounds. Even in 2022 people still believe the person who speaks first and refuse to hear the other side. Have you seen what happen after the Bayonetta voice actor straight up lied? Or even the Amber heard and Marilyn Manson accusations.
I think they were right to do so, because all Toby ever did was contradict himself, he went from "it was consensual, we were friends" to "I didn't know her, it was her fault, she's evil and lying" real quick.
I think, and this is just my opinion, his friends told him not to because it was already over. Toby had already put his video out years ago and even had, without his asking, other people come out and defend him. That those people were exes that still spoke (mostly) well of him only added further to his defense. The only thing adding more input could do would be to undo that unless he had actual receipts, which just isn't possible for that kind of situation (unless he had a video or something, but that could be taken as a little weird). I think his friends were correct to tell him to just let the situation rest where it was since the internet was mostly with him and more traditional jobs wouldn't see it. There was just almost no outcome where the new video would make things better for him and far too many where it would make things worse.
Honestly those videos of him during the Jacqueline Glenn situation seem to show that he has little respect for people's boundaries. I think that a lot of the defense for Toby is based on their positive memories of watching his videos rather than actual evidence.
Speaking generally, people don't tend to believe the man. Usually, without a gigantic amount of evidence, putting out a video responding doesn't usually end well for the man.
If you come out with a video saying "she's lying," but have even *small* evidence to prove so, most people will dismiss it and it will come across as worse than just not saying anything, because now you're also attacking the woman.
I am unfamiliar with the whole story with Tobuscus, but I could see why friends would be wary of putting out a video even if he did nothing wrong. It's a huge risk.
I mean, look at ProJared. He came out with the receipts, put out the evidence, and even then his career was heavily damaged.
I do agree, though. Even knowing this, I'd be inclined to fight the accusations, because if it's not true being accused of that would be awful.
This one makes you just feel depressed at the end. Really lays out that he's never been able to get a handle on his own life (even at the height of his career) and _all_ his behaviours reflect that.
"He pressured me to do things, and I was uncomfortable but I wasn't forced."
That... That's pretty damn close to coersion.
That isn't just close that is coercion.
well actually the quote was "just because i felt pressured to do things that made me uncomfortable, doesn't mean i was forced to do them" which is very different. i don't know the full context of the quote, but "feeling pressured" is not the same as "he pressured me", as the wording makes it completely relative, a "feeling" of pressure can manifest itself independently without intentional manipulation from external sources. it all comes down to what exactly she is defining as "feeling pressured" versus actually being pressured by intent. it could be coercion, or it could be something else entirely. it could be one way or the other, and since there is no specific context or examples given to demonstrate her statement, it's impossible to actually know which it is. she says he gets angry and verbal, but she didn't directly correlate that to the statement of feeling pressured, and again she gives no specific examples to what she means by that. (at least from that clip, maybe the full footage has more context)
for instance if a drug dealer approached me on the street and tried to convince and push me to take cocaine, i might *feel* pressured to do so but i am fully accountable of my own actions as i am not a child, i couldn't take the drugs and then try to free myself of accountability from my choice by claiming the drug dealer "coerced me into it" just because he tried to convince me to take it. this also applies even if i have some sentimental or personal connection to the drug dealer.
now, if that same drug dealer instead demanded i take the cocaine or else he is going to inflict violence upon me and attack my family or lead to other serious consequences, then that would indeed be considered coercion.
That is a damn good breakdown, genuinely, this is well done. @@merlith4650
@@sorrenblitz805cry about it
@@sorrenblitz805 its not actually. by defintion coercion: "the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats." Do we know for sure that he threatened her? If so don't post about it, take it to court. If you were threatened and post a story, you're giving the other person time to respond and get sympathy from his fans. If he's guilty sue him for all he's got. I'm less inclined to believe her if she literally just sits on it and does nothing legally. Posting for awareness gives me the impression you just hate the guy. If she was raped go to the police.
“He never forced me to do anything, he insisted until I relented but if I said no firmly he respected it” coercion is not consent.
“She was married the first time she agreed to hook up with him so after that there’s no way he could’ve ever forced her to do anything she didn’t want to do” someone’s bad action does not justify them being SA’d, just because a relationship started consensual doesn’t mean consent can’t be taken away later on.
“He was aggressive with his words and with his body language but he never touched me” emotional and mental DV is DV.
I understand that 2016 was a bit ago but I want to make sure to make those things clear. Especially for those who may be going through something similar and are justifying the perpetrator out of shame or sympathy.
The concept of withdrawn consent baffles me and no matter how ugly of a personality one has, anyone willing to throw that argument are just as bad as the person they are accusing for whatever reason.
Although I'm no longer a massive fan of toby and what he has became, the irony of pointing out something like bipolar whilst exhibiting patterns of behavior similar to just that is hilarious to me. You lose all credibility when you introduce the idea of withdrawn consent and the perp being mentally ill right out the gate.
Yeah something is not right with that situation. Overall I would just say stay away from Toby
yeah it's awful seeing these women being like "...but he didn't do that to me!! therefore there's no way he's abusive/a predator!!", a big fucking yikes seeing Jacklyn Glen talking like that after seeing her own experience with abusive boyfriends and urging people to listen to victims.
@@dingusbingus2888 The lunacy comes from u pretending not to understand very basic concepts such as, "no means no". Even if it’s later. Even if you have had sex before. A women’s vagina isn’t now owned by the guy she fucked in the past. U just called SA victims as bad as their rapists bc they said no and not wanting to sleep with someone anymore is "bipolar"? Is this satire? You write like you have the cognitive function to understand basic decency so maybe it’s willful ignorance to absolve yourself or someone u know. I’ve never heard of this guy before today so I have no opinion on his situation but that statement u made was so creepy.
Thanks you for saying this! Really bothered me that Joon left those remarks just uncommented.
Through the good times and bad times the one thing you can count on is Toby apparently doesn't wash his hair. Consistency is important on youtube.
Actually some people don't need to wash their hair that often look it up
@@newearth9027 same I found out I don’t really need to wash my hair or body which saves me a lot of time
or he always just took a shower
@@primal44 You're out here with a stink cloud like Pigpen or something lmao
@@primal44 uh please still wash your body
"Why don't people like me anymore"
*unhinged ranting in his car looking manic and like he hasnt showered for days*
I used to like his channel but at this point it's just sad. Its like watching the spiraling of bam margera
it's so upsetting to see him and his channel end up like this. this dude made a huge chunk of my childhood, still listen to his songs every now and then for the nostalgia. just crazy how much i used to watch him and now he's just...that. unhinged.
I can't believe DSP of all people was able to make a valid form of criticism
Tbf, he was only right in that case because of his own greed. It’s like saying the sky is blue because that’s the color of God’s piss.
@@warlordofbritannia You had me in the first half, but what the fuck does this have to do with god’s piss Lol
@@warlordofbritannia what??? What a bad 👎 comment
@@sclammp5811 he’s illustrating a point. The sky is indeed blue but God’s piss didn’t color it, DSP is indeed correct but for the wrong reasons
@@Kalsimir That happens a lot with DSP, even up until today. Like, he disagrees with reviewers slamming the hell out of Callisto Protocol and causing a circlejerk against the game over it, but he doesn't say it's because the game is ultimately just mid and not a dumpster fire nor a masterpiece.
Instead, DSP goes on a tirade about reviewers apparently rushing through the game, not playing it right, being objectively wrong in their reasons for not liking the game, sucking at the game, etc., etc.
He has a reasonable stance but supports it for the dumbest reasons. Not to mention his personal bias cause he loves survival horror and he relies on hype games getting him more viewers.
The guy made a character. A successful one. He tried to compartmentalize it, keep it separate from who he really was. He failed. Now it's eating him alive. It's kinda sad in a way
It’s really sad to see how Toby’s life went. It just seems all to common for people who come into fame to fall into this drug trap and constant need for ego affirmation. It sucks how poorly he treated these women just would of been nice to see how he would have turned out if he got help sooner in his life.
It really feels like he hasn't changed at all, he craves attention and now he's just shouting into the void as nobody is left but he knows nothing else. He clearly had a breakdown after the allegations, regardless of if they're true or not, and it's led him down a dark path.
It's sad in a way. He's been creating videos and vlogs for over 15 years and expecting people to listen. He's still got his voice and he's not gonna stop using it, even if there's nobody listening anymore.
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> "willingly"
> "heavily pressured to do so"
Folks, if you're pushed enough times to do something you don't want to do (drugs, sex etc in this context) and in the end you say "okay fine", that's not okay. You've just had your barriers broken down to the point where it's easier to go along than to resist it. That doesn't mean you're doing it 'willingly'.
Seriously. It's like they have no idea what coercion is.
@@6235river
Actual or threatened force for the purpose of compelling action by another person; the act of coercing.
Use of physical or moral force to compel a person to do something, or to abstain from doing something, thereby depriving that person of the exercise of free will.
Essentially its down to how he pressured. If he said, cmon try some, 16 times, thats not coercion
If he said, are you not taking them because you hate me? that would be moral coercion
but to act like basic peer pressure is coercion would be ridiculous.
@@gothicusmaximus5697 i am absolutely not going to explain to a presumably grown man why pressuring someone into sexual acts after that person has declined involvement until they ultimately feel as if they have no option to say yes is coercion. threats are not always direct threats of violence but the implication of violence. figure out the rest yourself.
@@6235river pressuring someone is also scummy, but its not coercion. To act like it is devaluing the people that have been actually coerced into giving consent. The woman in question never said "they ultimately feel as if they have no option to say yes", they said that he pushed it until they gave in. That is called peer pressure at best, or being a pushy creep at worst, but not coercion.
she also never mentioned theats, implied or otherwise, in a post in which she accuses him of far worse things. So can we not make things up.
@@gothicusmaximus5697 "The woman in question never said "they ultimately feel as if they have no option to say yes", they said that he pushed it until they gave in" exploiting the fear a woman feels when saying no to a man who is consistently pressuring her for sex is absolutely coercion. she would not have acquiesced if she wasn't afraid of the implication that arises when rejecting a man who clearly does not care about proper consent.
speaking as someone who HAS been coerced, the coercion began long before the man punched me after i rejected him over and over again. the coercion began as soon as i said no and he tried to convince me otherwise. the coercion continued every time i rejected him and he persisted by trying to talk me into it. the coercion culminated with physical violence.
God those sideburns never looked good on him
Crazy how this video seems to describe Toby's rise to CZcams fame as a meteoric. Even though I didn't follow him, but yet, growing up, I felt he must've been a top-tier creator to get where he was at cause he was everywhere all over CZcams.
I totally forgot that the pigroach was also part of the story, but damn did I have to laugh when DSP appeared.
I'll give Phil this much, he's still streaming and begging to this day 🤣
@@MarvinT0606 thats because DSP is death, how can you Kill him? Or even better, unkill him?
@@Snakee423 how do you kill that which has no life 🤔
DSP is the Stan Lee of the internet, he's mentioned or seen everywhere at least once or twice
You never know where The Guy might pop up.
"He will verbally attack you and make you feel horrible and pressured to do things but listen he's not abusive"
aight.
Literally not what she was saying at all whatsoever
@Garrett Ecstasy say it with me, Garrett:
"Coercion is not consent"
Pressuring anyone to do anything they don't want to do is not them consenting. Emotionally manipulating someone into performing sex acts is *NOT* them consenting. That is what his self professed ex lover literally admitted in his DEFENCE. He was pushy and unrelenting. Yes, she said no, but someone in a more vulnerable position might not be strong enough to say no to emotional manipulation. That is *not* consent.
@@Natlatify it's also not FORCING, however, as it tried to claim.
Ah I see you’re the type that confuses being a dick (aka “mental abuse”) with the legal definition of physical abuse
@@theincrediblefella7984 it kinda is
It's genuinely sad to see someone who had so much promise make so many bad decisions and hurt so many people. In high school me and my friends could quote his songs verbatim, and we really thought this meant big things for CZcamsrs... but the women he hurt.. everyone who looked up to them. I personally couldn't enjoy this space for years. Everything felt wrong, like there was too much going on behind the scenes.
It's like he's addicted to youtube. And I'm serious, it's like his way of coping and processing his thoughts without actually putting in the work himself. It's like self-talk therapy but... without the tools to get better
What bothers me during the Scandal section is the victim blaming of the exs’ assault stories. It’s wasn’t “here’s hard evidence that these girls are lying” but instead “it didn’t happen to me, therefore the other girls are lying”. And asking a rape victim why they didn’t report the assault sooner is again another form of victim blaming
The one girl going "well she did drugs with him and had sex with him the first night they met". Just because you gave consent once doesn't mean your partner doesn't have to get consent again. Also her trying to shame that girl for having sex while being married while also being in an open relationship??? Hypocrite. These types of people only harm victims and make predators feel more safe and capable to hurt people
@@siaking99 open marriages are consensual, dating someone else while married implies cheating.
@@ahshitherewegoagain7461 I don't understand how that is at all relevant to my comment. I didn't say it wasn't cheating. That girl was trying to shame her for hooking up with a guy while she was fully in an open relationship. She wasn't saying the emotional part of the relationship was wrong. She was being a hypocrite and trying to say that because they had sex before, that he didn't rape her because she's given consent in the past which isn't how that works.
exactly, it left such a horrible taste in my mouth, especially on JG's part, knowing what happened to her.
I'm glad someone said it. That's one of the things that keeps r*pe culture alive; "Well *I* couldn't imagine him doing that! Because he didn't to it to *me*!" like, good for you?? If you don't have proof to confirm or deny these women's stories, what makes you think you get to then say "but it didn't happen to ME, so..." absolutely disgusting
Nothing excuses bad behavior, but when I watch him speak to the camera, I see a broken man. I hope everyone has a chance to heal and get the help that they need.
dude needed help. hopefully he gets it. everyone can change.
He obviously wants his life back. It's really sad.
Exactly. It’s sad how my cold hearted ass seems to be one of the few seeing that as well. Maybe it’s because I can relate. Having your lifelong dream ripped from you after getting so close under all that pressure will break you. It’s especially brutal for perfectionists and high achievers who place their self worth in their achievements. I went through the same thing and nearly offed myself.
@@clownworld4655 think a lot of people know that he's broken but unfortunately in those moments because of those actions make people lose trust. But people can definitely gain it back in time. Look at steveo. People literally used to see him as a "human scab" and now he's loved by the people who used to hate him. Although Steveo's situation was a bit different and wasn't dealing with as serious as the allegations against tobuscus but still there's always a chance people will see the effort
Agreed. I definitely think the stuff he did was wrong, but I feel a bit bad for him. Minus the stuff he said about encouraging the trimming of the population.
Some of what's happened to Toby may be effects of long term drug use. I used to be addicted to prescription adderall for 3-4 years. Ive been clean for 6 years and I'm just now getting back full mental acquity.
Any long term drug use needs to be monitored by a doctor... They may be fun and enjoyable in the moment, but the brain rot is real.
Finally, the first video that actually acknowledges that the development of Toby's game severely affected his upload schedule.
This series is so wild as a “child of youtube” having grown up a teenager during the years these things happened and remembering how they were in real time.
It was pretty devastating to hear the allegations initially, and a bit of your childhood innocence seems to vanish along with these content creator’s reputations. It’s fascinating to see who made it and who didn’t, and how little anyone gets through without complete destabilization.
How old are you now?
As a teenager at the time Tobuscus was popular, I feel that!
I was 12 at the time I was watching Tobuscus, I'm turning 23 this year
Same I was 14 in 2011 and spent all of my life on CZcams (still do lol)
i mean the accusations seem mostly false, Whats shitty is how everyone branded him guilty.
I feel like this one is gonna be painful. My friend and I loved Toby’s letsplays and his literal trailers. Seeing him with a beard and looking like a wild mountain man feels… wrong
Seeing him and Spoony losing their marbles and upload less videos on their channels really make me feel depressed on what they are doing with their lives.
He's still a good man, his content may have aged horribly but he has a handful of good videos, those sluts where liars, good to know he's based too
Don't become personally invested in the lives of people you don't know in real life. It's not like its your fault when they do bad things. If anything, revel in the downfalls of people who turn out to be awful. Take it as proof that society actually has some kind of inherent sense of justice built into it.
@@grimble4564
You couldn't be more wrong. It's definitely not any kind of justice, consequences, or personal accountability... It's cancel culture!!!11!1
Girl I’m even more attracted to him now help
Watching this made me want to cry. I grew up with people like him who become someone unrecognizable. I ALMOST feel bad for him, he seems so lost. I want to believe he isn’t some horrible person and he’s just the same guy who did safety torch but that’s just not the case. I hope all the people affected by him are healed.
I really think that the Molly fried his brain just enough.
I love home multiple women can come forward, the man accused can be clearly unstable and prone to lying, and refuses to defend himself, and people will still be like “guy bitches lie. I loved his nugget song and that means he can’t be an abuser”
What a way to misinterpret reality to comfort your fragile woman brain LOL
that's the kind of world we live in, unfortunately. More people would believe a r*pist just because he's more popular.
Lmao
Yeah that Tara girl was a piece of work. "He wasn't mean to me, so he couldn't be mean to anyone else. Duh. I mean he couldn't even choke me right." Yikes
Right. Women never lie for clout.
If I knew nothing else about him, just those videos of him talking about harassing his ex via email until her boyfriend publicly called him out on it would set every nerve on edge.
That was creepy as shit
Really committing to that hair and sideburns
I once passed by tobuscus at a convention and he complimented my shirt and i gave him side eye and he called me a bitch and its forever the funniest thing that’s ever happened to me
I don’t thinks he’s wrong though.
So why wouldnt you just thank him, or anyone else that would, for the compliment?
@@Palidor if it were someone without sexual abuse allegations and a violently oppressive alt right view point I would have indeed said thank you but, yknow.
@@SnapdragonAtelier Oh alright, I thought it was before that whole news got out. My bad, you were right to do so then, knowing what he did.
@@T9K66 being a bitch for not accepting compliments from a predator lol right
If you feel like you can't say no, so you don't.... your physical, mental, or emotional safety is being violated. That felt very strange to hear the long-time girlfriend say he was verbally abusive and would make her feel pressure to do things she didn't want to do, but if she had said no, he definitely would have stopped. Sounds like she didn't always feel like she could say no to him...
This was my thought, and while *she* may have been in a position where she felt safe to say no, that doesn't mean everyone he dated was in that position. Plus, the harassment he later subjected her to makes the whole 'he would respect it if I told him no' claim rather dubious.
@@rebeccamcmanus4718 What surprises me is that they dont see that it was the exact same behaviour with all of them, the difference only being WHO he did it to. What was told was that if you said stop forcefully that he would stop, aka they showed authority and said loud and clear they didnt want that.
What the poor women who got the bad end was they didnt say stop loud and clear, leading him to (probably due to issues like mental disorder, drugs or emotional headspace) being unable to read the situation. The tumblr post say clearly that she begged him to stop quietly, and he probably didnt read the situation at all.
What they other views probably didnt realise, is just how stunned and unable to react you can feel in a situation like that. the betrayal, the total overstepping of your boundaries, your feeling of your free will being stolen from you. It is impossible to know if a person is harmless if you go against them, or if you make everything way worse if you do, and then its easier in the situation to just let it happen, when you dont know the alternative
it was crazy to hear that. unbelievably frustrating. like, you're saying you felt uncomfortable and coerced or pressured into doing something, but actually, he totally would've stopped if you said no? so all the others girls must be lying!! like... what? the copium is crazy.
Yeah it's super fucked how this trashy person can go on to victim blame and minimize his victims. Really gross. She seems like a major pick-me
Jeez, it seems like he never really changed
I remember watching him when I was little. I loved his songs, animations, and rant. But seeing that same personality years later applied to serious adult situations is just unnerving.
I feel so cynical. Because we're in the midst of Colleen's mess rn and I'm like damn at least he didn't publicly name his appetite for children. That's where I'm at right now. JFC
I’ve got two lessons from these videos.
1. Hurt people, hurt people.
2. No one teaches what to do when burdened with quick success.
The way I snorted when you said Toby suffered from burn out and *that's* why he stopped uploading regularly. 🤣
Visual effects and editing are getting better, also the voice over and commentary style are amazing. Keep up the good work.
Big ups Arab text guy
Good comment bot.
57:45 - You can already tell by this point how much the allegations and the effects it had on his career was affecting him, as he snuck in the "two sides to every story" with a snicker. But even if the rape allegations didn't happen, the drugs weren't going to make getting to be on children's television easy. It's why you have to conduct your offscreen business carefully.
I met Toby near his hometown doing a job I used to do. I ran up and asked if he was tobuscus and helped him out with the rest of the beach chairs. Nicest guy too we sang diamond sword and he gave me seven bucks for my labor. A few months later my cousin bumped into him at Waffle House around 2 am she smoked in the parking lot with him and I was so jealous.
Mildest floridian encounter
Just 7 bucks?
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e Well, most beach chairs are kinda lightweight, it might have taken 5 minutes tops.
Guess that somewhat confirms what I was saying to someone else. I'd heard from my brother he was moving back to Niceville and was hoping being back home would do him some good. Glad to see that seems to be the case. Kinda sucks I moved out of town before he moved back so I wasn't able to see him again but such is life.
It's always so strange seeing the people who speak the most, talking about how censored they are.
Or saying things like "freedom of speech, you should be allowed to say whatever you want without people canceling you". Well yes, they are using their freedom of speech to criticize yours
@@JustKrin yur
@@JustKrin agreed. Freedom of speech has always meant freedom from legal persecution, which is something that I will always support wholeheartedly. It does not make you immune to social repercussions from how you decide to use that freedom. I don't believe anyone should be convicted of a crime for their words, but falling out of favor with the general public... that's the risk you take.
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 Harassing people and ruining their life because they said a mean is not a "social repercussion", its harassment.
@@theinsanegamergeek
Literally nobody said that harassment is okay in this thread. Maybe learn how to read.