Naval Tactics in the Age of Sail (1650-1815)
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Sailing(I mean proper sailing not just sailing) is complicated enough now back then it would be very difficult for the commissioned officers and very though on the sailors.
"No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy." - Horatio Nelson
I suspect Nelson was referring to fighting at close quarters, rather than laying off and firing broadsides. Nelson generally seems to have avoided parallel broadsides and preferred to cross the T.
@@thethirdman225 Nelson wanted to break the Franco-Spanish line like Rodney had done at Saintes' Passage. As it was. Victory was alongside the very worst possible ship - L'Redoutable.
@@thethirdman225he meant literally alongside.
At Trafalgar he didn’t try to cross the T, in fact the Franco-Spanish force crossed his T, but that was his plan, to pierce the enemy line so they couldn’t simply turn downwind to escape.
@@jeremypnet Are you sure? The battle plan I have literally shows two columns crossing the T.
@@thethirdman225 crossing the T is when you are the horizontal bar. You can bring your entire broadside of your whole fleet to bear on the enemy and they can only answer with their bow chasers. Nelson deliberately became the vertical bar (twice) so that he could cut through the enemy formation and attack from leeward. This was very risky since the enemy broadside could be focused on him and Collingwood for a long time before he could answer back.
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The line abreast formation was almost never used except as a means to close with the enemy fleet since only the outer pair of ships could fire effectively at the enemy. When the range closed to within a few hundred yards the admiral would order a "battle turn" to port or starboard depending on the wind, which would transform the line abreast into a line ahead. A battle turn required each ship to execute the turn simultaneously, a very difficult thing to do in sailing ships. A ship that turned too early could crash into a friendly ship. Turning too late could cause a ship to become isolated within the enemy's formation. Because of these problems line ahead formations were the rule, sometimes in two or more columns, as at Trafalgar.
Maneuvering and command while in line ahead formation presented problems. One was signaling. If the admiral was in the lead ship, i.e. the van, the captains in the trailing ships could not see the signal hoists because of the ships in front of them obscured the view. Consequently, the standard practice was to station a fourth or fifth rate ship, typically a frigate, several hundred yards to either port or starboard of the main column in a position to be seen clearly by all ships in the column. This ship had the duty to relay signals from the admiral's ship to the fleet. The vessel assigned to this duty was called the flagship.
Another problem was coordination of the column. Every ship was an individual with significantly different sailing properties. Some were faster, some slower. Some held a true course, others had too much leeway. Some had excellent crews, others had too many landsmen. Just organizing the order of ships in a column - which ship will be in the van, which behind - was an important and difficult task for the admiral. Get it wrong and your fleet might be other strung out so widely as to be ineffective or be hopelessly entangled in each other's rigging.
In every historical naval book I have read (fiction and non-fiction) the "flagship" referred to the ship that had the Admiral commanding a unit (Fleet, squadron, etc) and was termed such since the Admiral would be flying his command flag from that ship.
Also it was larboard and starboard not port and starboard. Port was only a thing from 1844
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2:40 The reason that tall ships preferred (and prefer) gybing, i.e. turning with the wind, to tacking, i.e. turning through the wind, is not so much that it puts stress on the rigging. The point is that the ship needs to have enough speed to carry it through the course change and through the wind in the time the sails provide no power, i.e. the time it goes against the wind. Tall ships are not that maneuverable and you simply cannot steer a vessel which has no speed through the water. Additionally, the square rigging provides considerable wind resistance compared to the typical fore and aft rigging of a modern yacht, which makes tacking even more difficult. A gybe is much easier to do with such ships.
Techically, this is not gybeing (which is were a fore-and-aft sail moves across the ship centerline) but "wearing". Gybeing as also more a downwind sailing manouver, but wearing can be completely from one tack to the other, when the ship was sailing upwind (as much as it could!). While there are fore-and-aft sails on a fully rigged ship, the main motive power comes from the square sails.
Not necessarily. A crew could backwind the square sails on the foremast to bring the bow around, as is done by sailing crews in light weather today. There were also other manoeuvres like boxhauling and making a sternboard. In modern yachts there is a manoeuvre for getting out of trouble, known as a granny tack or chicken gybe (it’s the same thing). That’s when the boat is pointed up to windward and tacked instead of allowing the boom to swing across the cockpit. It’s not normally used but I suspect it has its equivalent in the 18th century.
@@markdurre2667 Tacking is done into the wind and gybeing is done ahead of the wind.
Arguably, the British Royal Navy in terms of ''Nelson's Navy'' achieved the absolute pinnacle of what it meant to master sailing and naval battles in the entire age of sail.
It was said of the Royal Navy admirals, aging and crusty in the late 19th century, spluttering and disgruntled about the then new fangled all-iron/steel warships replacing wooden warships for good, resentful of the steam and ''dirty coal'' using ships, that,
''When the ships were made of wood, the men were made of iron; but now the ships are made of iron, the men are made of wood''
It was a rather unfair and derisory saying which got peddled around a bit in the mid-late Victorian times, when old sea dogs and admirals from the time of Nelson, lamented the loss of sails as the primary propulsion.
It was said, ''You can't be a sailor unless you can use sails!".
This led to a range of bizarre transition period ships in the Royal Navy, with old guard naval officers and lords in the Admiralty, making sure that sails, masts and rigging were still covering all-metal warships. After 1860 and the introduction of the historic HMS Warrior, the first all iron battleship of its kind, twice the size and 1.5 x the firepower of the French ironclad La Gloire, launched earlier in the year (the British were infuriated by the French developing that, and so answered back in kind with a ship so powerful that the French gave up on their plans to get into a naval arms race with Britain, pretty much immediately; HMS Warrior never fired a shot in anger, not needing to for very good reasons - as in, it'd crush anything it came up against and changed the game; it was basically the British going fuck you France we are in charge, in a supremely competitive fashion)
ships still had sails and rigging. HMS Warrior did. But that was in fairness much closer to the classic wooden warships.
But even up to the pre-dreadnaught battleship designs coming out from the global naval arms race going on in the days of heavy industrialism in major western powers, there were still British ships festooned with sails, rigging and masts, like hybrids.
The situation started to get ridiculous with the old guard still clinging on desperately to the age of sail, not accepting the truth that steam, turbines and electricity etc was the future. This awkward situation in the British Royal Navy of the Victorian Era, was paradoxical to the forward thinking industrialists who pressed ahead until the British Admiral Jackie Fisher invented the Dreadnaught in 1900. There are many examples of British warships in the Victorian era which had no practical need for sails and rigging, but their captains and the admiralty enforced their use until they couldn't keep the facade going any longer.
It was argued it was instilling discipline and skills in the sailors and ratings; but it was counter-argued that it wasted time, energy and effort, and taught them skills which were now redundant in almost every way. Traditions upheld, though, I can sympathise with. But even so, the British were at odds over the issue, quite rightly. I can totally understand why the new generations coming through wanted rid of the sails; though from a romanticist point of view, there is beauty and intrigue in keeping the sails. They do kind of look a bit weird though. Some even kept the sails and rigging around the steam funnels, the sails having next to no influence on the movement of the heavy ships. I'm sure Isambard Kingdom Brunel would have shook his head at the old world being plastered all over the new steam, paddle and propeller bladed ships he was pioneering and improving.
Nelson's navy of the age of sail was the zenith of wooden warship sailing mastery and gunnery. Far in advance of anything the French had to offer (the 2nd best around, themselves) Trafalgar tells it all, with many other victories.
The level of discipline, the sheer grit and hardiness of those men. Tough, brutal lives.
When these men had shore leave, they often looked to walk funny - having rolling gaits, used to the rocking and rolling movements of the pitching and yawing vessels they were on, used to being in close harmony and rhythm with the swells and waves. They had subconsciously developed a compensating method of walking to stay steady on their feet, and had been put through some of the worst conditions at sea imaginable. The British naval squadrons would chase enemy fleets across oceans, and go on missions around the world in all weathers and conditions, from the Baltic Sea to the Caribbean, from the eastern seaboard of the USA to the far east itself. They saw many things and experienced storms, hurricanes/typhoons and being on station for months on end.
The British had mastered naval resupply, meaning that they could stay anchored blockading somewhere - like Brest, Le Havre, Calais, etc. It was I think first successfully achieved during the Seven Years War, denying the French from sending forces to aid their struggling outposts in Canada/then New France, which helped blockade France and defeat the French in the colonial wars. The example of Admiral Byng being executed by court martial and firing squad on the quarterdeck of his own flagship, for hesitating to go into battle with the enemies of the British at Minorca in the Mediterranean, inspired British officers and admirals to be very aggressive. Byng paid for his mistake with his life, after Minorca was surrounded by the Franco-Spanish and fell to assault while Byng arrived at Gibraltar. He was sent back to England to his fate. Everyone was expected to lay their ship alongside a French or Spanish, and after Byng paid the price for inaction and hesitation, the trait for British naval aggression became much more prominent. Nelson is perhaps the perfection of this mentality, with him saying, things like;
*''England expects that every man will do his duty''
''No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy.''
''Desperate affairs require desperate remedies.''
''Our country will, I believe, sooner forgive an officer for attacking an enemy than for letting it alone.''*
Admiral of the Fleet Edward Hawke, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hawke,_1st_Baron_Hawke was responsible for being a major British driving force in the Royal Navy, and innovating strategies of resupplying the fleets blockading France in the Seven Years War, as well as being the victor of great battles before and during the Seven Years War, such as the impressive Battle of Quiberon Bay en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Quiberon_Bay
Such a striking example would be followed up by Nelson during the Napoleonic Wars, with the British blockading France yet again. Admiral Hawke had effectively mounted a unilateral blockade of the French coast from Dunkirk to Marseille. Nelson mounted an even more intense blockade on France after this.
The British Royal Navy really did rule the waves overall, in the height of the age of sail.
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"It was argued it was instilling discipline and skills in the sailors and ratings; but it was counter-argued that it wasted time, energy and effort, and taught them skills which were now redundant in almost every way."
I can sympathize with that, sounds like the armies of today (or at least the Finnish Defence Forces and the infamous pinkka, "pile" arabuusimiehet.com/rexx/army/pics/pinkat.jpg).
Another factor is that fuel was expensive and in the case of coal It had to be manually loaded at strategically placed ports, It was often prudent to keep using sails or even have slower ships, than to have to take more stops or even have to stop doing naval maneuvers/training entirely by keeping the ships in ordinary to save on fuel. Maintaining traditions were more of a happy coincidence, and they only stopped when ships got too big for sails to provide a meaningful amount of movement/got in the way of anti-aircraft guns.
OLDCONTEMPTABLE Yet the sails were in the ships I'm referring to, in no way moving them. They'd become too heavy for that, effectively.
You are missing the point; it was totally pointless in a practical sense.
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I would have expected some discussion of how wind direction ("having the wind") dramatically impacted how fleets could approach each other and influenced success.
But thank you for the videos. I know the best depth is a judgement call.
yeah, wind was just too much at that point.
Different navies also had different doctrines, such as whether it was advantageous to be upwind or downwind of the enemy. This affected your shot placement, as being upwind meant the ship would heel towards the target, allowing your gunners to aim for hull shots, while the downwind ship was heeled away, and her gunners would be aiming for rigging and masts.
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There was also what was being fired to consider, ball, chain, shot or bar and the different doctrines of each nations navies came into play. The French (generally) had smaller calibre cannon but had more soldiers or Marines aboard, there was more small arms fire on enemy ships (as Nelson found out to his cost) and the French preferred to ''board in the smoke'' after smashing down the sails and rigging with chain and bar shot, leaving the enemy drifting in the water. The British had (generally) larger calibre cannon, less Marines and (ideally) would change where they fired (rigging/sails, hull or shot to kill crew members) to suit the situation. Another (huge) factor was the skill of the crew. How long had they been commissioned and how well did that crew sail the ship? How much battle experience did they have? Did the captain value gunnery practice (or was the captain even competent?). Later, the British Navy had problems against American hand picked, volunteer crews as opposed to their pressed sailors.
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I didn't like the naval warfare in Empires total war unless it was just a few lighter/faster ships (or one big ship). Having a battle with many larger ships was slow, un-fun, and required too much micromanaging.
I don't like how Rome and Attila can have "fleets" of land troops and I wish they would have kept land and sea mostly separate with more realistic crew sizes and battles.
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If you got access to an university library, check out Churches & Hainsworth's 'The Anglo-Dutch Naval Wars'. It is an accessible history book that should give you more than enough inspiration for a setting in and around the start of the age of sail.
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Also, your serif face tends to seem like a solid block.
The flag signals were also hard to use for giving orders from the flagship to the other ships in the line because sails and smoke blocked the vision, so when they could, they set frigates on the not engaged side of the line to copy the flagships' signals, so the whole line could see it.
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Another excellent video and explanation.
Two items not discussed, and possibly worthy of inclusion in a future video on this subject:
1) "Weather Guage": In the age of sailing ships, the fleet or ship that was UPWIND had the tactical advantage. Because square-rigged sailing ships cannot sail into the wind, the commander of the upwind fleet had the choice of deciding when and if battle should be joined. Much of the history of naval combat in this era revolves around captains and admirals attempting to gain this critical advantage.
2) Sinking in battle was rare. Given the construction (and general buoyancy characteristics) of wooden sailing ships and the (relatively) limited destructive power of solid iron cannon balls, it was quite rare for an enemy ship to be sunk in battle. Total destruction of an enemy vessel would most likely be accomplished via boarding: Positioning the ship adjacent to the enemy vessel and sending a force of sailors and marines over the side onto the enemy ship, to overpower its crew, who had presumably been killed or weakened by exposure to cannon fire.
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1) yeah, I want to cover that in the future. To copy paste myself on that issue: "The wind / weather stuff was covered in my sources, but I didn't reach an understanding sufficient enough, also all their figures used the wind, but there was not one maneuver that was shown with a different wind angle. So basically everything was more complicated with the wind, because without a comparison it makes little difference, which means: if you leave the wind out the maneuvers are easier, but also correct. Once I find better sources or gain a better understanding I will probably do an upgraded version.
2) I think I covered that, but maybe not expressed properly. (it should be around the MINE MINE stuff).
A very important tatical aspect left out in this video is the significance of being in the windward position, as the enemy would a) expose more of the ships bottom to be struck and b) would be in a passive position when it comes to battle initiative. Having the wind on your side was a huge advantage, unless the wind is exceptionally strong, in which case the windward ship would run into the danger of not being able to use its lower guns due to the ship leaning to the leeward side.
In addition, it is also worth pointing out that cannon fire would not only be important for damaging the ship, but just as much for decimating the crew, as most enemy sailors/gunners did not die from the gunfire itself but from the massive amount of wood splinters flying through the ship when hit.
You could also "double" the enemy by crossing the T at some/any location along the enemy line (preferably near the back) and then turn 90 degree into the wind, thus cutting a part of his formation from the leading element. Once you cut them off the rest of your line will turn 90 degree into the wind before the crossing point, effectively doubling his rear element.
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The interesting part about the short range of the cannons is that when doubling there is minimal risk of friendly fire. A lot of formations that would sink friendly ships in a modern context could work as long as the ships were well spaced. Although before 1815 I suspect an array of mobile guns with a range of more than 270 meters was considered awesome. Compared to musket range or trying move horse drawn cannons a few kilometers away while firing a ship must have seemed amazing.
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There was another "tactic" but rather on the design level which was used specially by Spain (due to not having enough shipbuilding capacity to equal the numbers of the British fleet): building heavier ships with more guns and thicker hulls. Most Spanish ships of the line had 100 guns or above, against the 70 to 90 used by the British or French navies. Those 100+ guns were usually of a higher caliber and firepower than their British counterparts (30 to 35 pounders guns against 18 to 24 pounders guns). The Spanish pride of the fleet in Trafalgar, the "Santísima Trinidad" (Holy Trinity) had 140 guns in four decks, and was the biggest ship of the line ever built. It was destroyed in Trafalgar when it had to face 4 British ships (2 of which were sunk by this beast of a ship, the other were damaged). In a rough sea it's an unadvantage, but with good weather a line of three-deckers can be a powerful tool, specially when even doubling doesn't give the enemy a firepower advantage over your ships.
"building heavier ships with more guns and thicker hulls. Most Spanish ships of the line had 100 guns or above...". That was true, only at some extent, for the 2nd half of the 18th century and the first years of the 19th century. But, for the 1st half of the 18th century, aproximately until the Seven Years War, the situation was the opposite.
The Spanish Armada built a lot of ships-of-the-line rated 60 guns or less, making the Spanish ships normally smaller and downgunned than their British and French counterparts. A lot of criticism was made on this point by the very Spanish admirals until they got that trend reversed.
During the reign of Charles III (Carlos III), 1761-?, the priority was no longer to comision so many ships, since Spain had already achieved a position among the top 3 world naval powers (together with Britain, 1st, and France, 2nd), therefore the Spanish priority in shipbuilding switched to build the best possible ships in every case. That lead to increase dramatically the number of three-deckers and the number of two-deckers rated 74-80 guns in the Spanish Armada.
Yes, I'm talking about that time.
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Hornblower too
mortaché de muerte If you read Patrick O'Brian, CS Forrester, Alexander Kent and the rest, you realize that there are strong similarities to many of the naval actions they incorporate in their story. All these authors used the same original historical sources as a starting point. It's too bad that British naval fiction enthusiasts don't write fan-fiction like romance or vampire fans. I wouldn't mind a story where Aubrey, Hornblower, and Bolitho meet in a bar, share a pint, and get together and form their own mini-fleet.
Great video: Concepts perfectly summarized and schematized. I'd say Breaking the T was quite a risky maneuver, but probably the most effective one. On the other hand, i.m.h.o., one shot per minute is quite exaggerated: One shot every three to five minutes would be more realistic, and that just at the battle's beggining, with all the crew ready and fresh, and before the smoke, battle deafness, tired and injured crewmen, etc.
I had to stop the video I was laughing so hard. "Doubling" not being complicated enough, hilarious. I am of German descent, however, I talk with a Texas accent, but I still understand. Good video. The Age of Fighting Sail has always been interesting to me. I believe you did very well. So much more you could have talked about and shown, but this is very good as a primer.
bro, love your videos and visuals, just a suggestion can you do germany war tactics and weapons before the 20th century, i think you would be great at providing great material and content concerning the war of German unification and the pre-Napoleonic wars.
thx, at some point for sure, I am working on my basic knowledge on the other eras, e.g., this was the second Napoleonic era video.
yeah bro totally do your thing its great work cant wait to see future videos about Napoleonic era, that time was just intense and crazy, i wanna know how officers acted during battles or firefights, if their was sieges how were they planned out and how did soldiers conduct assaults.
Love this channel - new sub. With your references, which are great, could you add the year of publication of them if they are books? Contextualises them. Thanks.
thx, not really, cause I hate searching the relevant date out all the time with all the reprints revised/unrevised... . Also most people don't care at all and those that really do, should be able to do the proper "leg work".
No worries at all....I get that. Anyway just going through some of your older videos. Well done with the visualisation.
thank you! Sadly, I can't publish my latest video due to an error on CZcams's side, waiting for several hours now for a fix :(
my "best" (from my perspective) works are in the featured playlist btw.: czcams.com/play/PLv0uEimc-uN_POyHyv6_eL6mTJZAnaLUb.html
In order to gain a firepower advantage, doubling worked very well - *if* you could get into position. Not easy when both fleets were under way. That's why the favoured tactics were massing and breaking the enemy line. Crossing the T as depicted here only really worked with long range guns and wider fire arcs.
gotta love the touch of metal at the end
Great video
Thank you for taking the time to learn my language!
Nice video. Just a quick question: Since you mentioned about the doubling, and that admirals that used the tactics would usually do it form behind of enemy admirals line. How did the pursuing line catch up, if the battle speed was relatively the same? Did the pursuing line increase the sails just for that opportunity?
Just a fun trivia: In Russian language the name "Ship of the line" is used not only about the sail ships but also modern Battle ships like for instans Iowa (In Russian a battleship is a Linkorn)
No mention of the weather gage?
I like the subject but I don't think this video does it justice.
Did you gleam any insight/understanding of the weathergauge and whether or not it truly offered advantage?
Good info!! Thanks!!
The Echelon formation was also used and breaking the line was a useful tactic due to loss of cohesion
"Now the German part of me finds this term really irritating because it's clearly not complicated enough." LOL
During that time "Crossing the T" was actually only effective ship to ship and not fleet to fleet. The limited angle in which the cannon could fire would only allow one or two ships in the line to discharge their broadside in to the leading enemy ship, while the rest would have no angle to fire. At the same time there was a high risk of the enemy fleet breaking through your formation and unloading their broadsides in to the bow and stern of more than just one of your ships.
Also most ships actually had cannon facing forward and aft. You just only had room for two or three of them compared to the broadside. Those cannon were of the longer variant for the most time because they were meant to chase the enemy where you could not bring your broadside to bear without letting them escape.
grand video !!!
Excellent! Very informative.
A search for the term or method for ramming a wet ramrod into a canon's bore to extinguish hot embers thus preventing an accidental explosion was not answered, here, but I enjoyed this video anyway.
Thank you.
I might answer that in my video on naval cannons and shots for the Age of Sail.
I might have answered, the video is already out.
Drachinifel published two videos about ship artillery, one more two come AFAIK. Worth watching.
mhv, can you make a video about the italian forces in ww1? just saw your italian industry video and I became interested
Best explanation. Thanks, sub.
I recently invested in privateers and gentlemen this will be great!! could you talk more about boarding actions and the training and structure of the royal mavy maybe the daily life at some point too.
Very cool video, thanks! How about applying the same approach to the pre-dreadnought era e.g. Battle of Tsushima?
Found your next topic/era
I believe the correct title of one of your sources (Tracy) is **Naval Warfare in the Age of Sail**
no
Could you provide the full citation? ISBN number even? I can't find anything for Nicholas Tracy's *Naval tactics in the age of sail*
no, read the description and pay attention. (hint is an article in a book)
ah! i see. thanks
Not sure if it is still relevant, but the book in question would've been published under the name of the editor of the book since it is a collection of articles. Thus you are looking for A. Stillwell. After obtaining it you'd have to go to the index and look for the page number of the article written by N. Tracy.