One cannot appreciate enough the effort that these people are putting into restoring this. Remember, that unlike the Union Pacific, this restoration does NOT have any corporate backing, and is totally dependent on volunteers and individual funding.
All dedication, the people that donated their own time and physical effort toward 1309 are deserving of much credit, to say the least as they resurrected a great part of our history. I would like to say Thank you.
@@eugeeropel5572 Personally, I am against the restoration. We don't need another loco burning fossil fuels, polluting, and contributing to global warming climate change,. The best course of action would be to tear the loco apart with cutting torches and send the scrap for melting down.
You guys have one heck of a restoration on your hands. I am confident you will complete it..and it will be worthwhile. Will be great to see it steaming.
Well now , what a great endeavour ! This is a terrific project , and all involved are to be encouraged and praised for their tenacity. It will be a match for anything when it's complete.
been catching up on various topics, and am extremely fascinated at the progress of the 1309, personally I always got the biggest kick out of articulated type locomotives(Nerd alert!), and am querying of the latest progress on the project
Stephenson would be proud of you all! I think in the UK we are very lucky we have hundreds of locomotives in preservation and working. A whole industry has evolved to restore and service these engines for the 73 standard gauge lines. New examples of locos where none made it to preservation have been made. See LNER A1 Tornado. Looking forward to 4014 on line.
Great job, guys! For such a large locomotive, I'm amazed by how fast you guys are moving on it and how soon it's expected to be back on the rails. Keep up the good work!
I really hope that with the restoration of the Big Boy and 1309 will usher the restoration of 1218 and one of the 2-6-6-6s and other heavy haulers, to show future generations machines that helped win both World Wars and growing this Nation afterwards.
I find it to be a miracle that we have plenty of smaller shops That can overhaul steam locomotives and rebuild them though yet we don’t have many large shops for many of the programs anymore. Get the only two large shops I ever knew of are the Chyanne steam shop at the main depot in Cheyenne and the East End shops that used to be in Birmingham, Tell it was auctioned off which was a stupid move.
There's a steam locomotive in San Antonio Texas that I wish could be resurrected. Not sure the wheel arrangement. I remember seeing it as a kid. It's not there anymore. Not sure where they put it. It was downtown on Broadway at Maverick Park. Great to see 1309 back in action!
It is amazing what a great job there so called Railroad Museums are doing for turning running locomotives into rusted junk. Apparently they want these locomotives but the don't want to take care of them or make them operational. They were not designed to sit out in the weather and rust away. It looks like all they did to "Preserve" the locomotive was dab black paint on it to cover the rust. Nice to see you folks are taking restoration seriously. Let's hope that this monster will soon return to the rails under steam and not suffer the humiliation of being dragged around behind some diesel engine. It is good that you are not, like some restoration projects, doing a cursory job of it.
I'm glad to hear this old locomotive that B&O took from russell ky,town right outside my own is finally getting restored and will be running again soon.i really wish the russell rail yards would had made a top of some kind for 1309 when they left it to rust to help slow down the rusting.from what i can find on the 1309 it was still in russell ky in the early 1990 though i was a baby at this time i barely remember seeing a steam engine in russell but sadly i can't find any pictures of this beautiful locomotive rusting away at the station there in russell to help me remember better or if im thinking of another steam engine that went threw there in the early 1990s and im sure 1309's sister unit 1308 in huntington WV is gonna be jealous that it older sister unit will be running again instead of just sitting around in a small railroad museum like 1308 is doing now lol
Sounds like the 1309 will be perfect for tourist train work- really efficient, and will pull a long string of passenger cars by herself. Are you doing any "modern steam" modifications to her, like an improved exhaust, etc?
Well for the slower steep mountain they pull it is perfect for them, but it would not do the job of mainline excursions, on flatter lands like others would such as 765, 1225, 611, or something like 4449 or 614 were made to do at a slighter lower loading and a higher speed, this could haul lots of cars, but could not keep the great speed needed to pull amtrak excursions for example, and as this guy on the tour states they are large beasts and working on them is no easy task, even if the parts look like a jumble they are laid out a certain way on the floor so we know where everything is, so too with 765 I help out with, we are doing tenderwork right now to get her ready for a weekend of highspeed runs in jolliete Illinois to chicago it wont be our longest excursions but we will be running fast for those four trips, but we need to have the fuel storage shored up, and clear so we dont get bits of metal in the boiler of the engine itself that could be very bad, and we dont want her to leak. in a word restoring and running big steam is No Easy Day.
Hope your guys will compare notes and join forces with the great craftsmen of the Union Pacific Heritage Shops as well... These locomotives are a national treasure and should be preserved for future generations, including the passing on of these skills. The UK has also been doing a wonderful job of bringing rusted steam that was practically junk back to life. And with all of the millionaires and billionaires out there these daze I don't see why funding should be a problem? Note: The host reminds me of Ed Dickens of the Union Pacific Heritage Shops.
What is the latest project status at the first of 2019? Will this be running in this year or is more work required. 4014 will be operational in late spring. Wouldn't it be nice to see this next to 4014. A pair of the biggest, most powerful engines to run on rails. Good luck witht he work. Nice to know you are doing it all the right way and not skipping over the details.
From what I heard, funds dried up around late June or early July, so her return has been indefinitely postponed until more money can be raised. Here's hoping it doesn't last too long. We need a C&O engine running soon, but much like with the restoration of Union Pacific's Big Boy, I'm not holding my breath
KEVINSHARPE - 4014 is being constantly under reconstruction. It is supported by Union Pacific, not private funding. That job will be done correctly and for long term operation. When restoration projects run short of money, things do not get done as they should be.
Why is there so much segmented inner tubing that looks like a honeycomb instead of 1 or 2 large compartments like a giant hollow tea kettle as you said? Does it help retain heat making the locomotive more efficient? Increase surface area to exchange more heat with the boiler?
Excellent report. In several places the audio was absent, which made me check my computer. I guess that was the intention. But some narration would have been interesting.
In theory, yes. It would make the WMSRR look pretty foolish to buy an expensive locomotive and dump gallons of money and man power into its restoration only to find out they can't run it.
That may be the case, but it is a difficult procedure as the 1309 is a friction-bearing locomotive, weighs as much as 4 USRA 80 ton hoppers that were used during the 1309's career, and you have to adjust the reverser to be aligned with direction of travel. If anything is off, it won't end well.
Yes ,it will. They got this engine to eliminate the diesel helpers to help bring their running costs down. What would be the point of restoring it just to have a diesel pull it back down the hill.
Is this train restored yet it’s been like 2 months since they took it outta the museum so I’m just curious is it restored yet or is it getting closer to be getting restored because there’s haven’t been any more updates so I’m just wondering what’s going on
It’s scary now, when you hear about those who built things in the past who were wearing suits of asbestos... while the fire wouldn’t get you, the asbestos did in the end.
Alexander Gudschinsky By comparison to the engine the tender is rather easy work as your replacing late flat plates of steel and the work goes rather quickly Whereas working on the engine requires boiler work and suspension work rebuilding all the motion work honing out the Pistons and valves feed-water pumps feed-water heater superheater units if bad need to be fabricated new, in the days of steam you could simply order new superheater units. Those companies are long out of business but Strasberg railroad if I remember correctly will manufacture new superheater units for you as well as any other kind of steam engine work required.. To be totally honest I'd rather listen to the master mechanic tell us about work done and to be done. Then a front office type. I am a retired locomotive engineer with experience in straight electric, diesel-electric, mu cars 660dc/ 11000 volt AC 25 cycle single phase and 12500 volts 60 cycle single phase and steam locomotives from 2 foot, 3 foot, to standard gauge locomotive's last steam engine was AFT -1. And turbine hydraulic and turbine mechanical.
What's the current status - sound like the project is stopped, in serious financial troubles, may never get completed, all because of poor estimates, poor planning, poor management, poor communication and has lost credibility with volunteers, donors, and government partners. Very Sad.
I can't wrap my head around people in this century knowing how to do this... sure, some of it is in a blueprint, but much of it had to do with the fact that in 1949 people understood all of the engineering and manufacturing decisions... how things are joined, how to account for expansion, how to account for operating conditions, not to mention the hundred levers and valves in the cab.... I'm sure many of those were added over the years because of real world situation encountered and not designed for, per-se... how can anyone figure out the purpose and usage of something perfected so long ago?
forgot to mention... I have heard it commented that today, we cannot actually figure out how to build one of the Saturn 5 rocket engines.... we understand how it works, but can't quite duplicate it...
@@DS-bi3fz Each one of those F1 engines were custom made. Eventhough they are the same engine, no two were alike. Changes were made to every succession of engine.
Unless you’re an idiot, it doesn’t take much understanding, it’s called obsolescence. However that doesn’t stop people from restoring, running and appreciating antique cars, boats, aircraft and locomotives.
This is the kind of information people of today could learn from. Park the guess work, when you come to a place like this. This is way better then any College, A place like this is where you become exposed to the way things were accomplished, Without all of the smoke that goes on in today's world of Guess and Hope. ( "Hence", Today's Boeing 737 max Air Craft, They are guessing on how to fix the problem ) In this place where they are reconstructing a Locomotive that Could "Kick-Ass" and Haul Big-Big-Big Loads, Where you also would work Your "Ass-Off"! look Back an Admire the things people were able to do accomplish it Without the "Cry-Baby" mentality! This is where "MEN"! were "MEN" and the Woman Loved the Men who were Men, Not a bunch of "Pansy;s"! With the Ambition these people bring to make this project the best they want it to be is very rewarding!
You expect to have it up and running next year. Amazing. You must have 100 guys, fully equippment shp and plenty of money. Big boy has take four years and you figure on doning it in just one. You fools ran the locomotive with dry cylinders. all the running gear was connected. Where did the lubrication come from. It doesn't take much running time to score cylinder walls. or burn bearings. There is no way you are going to do a complete and proper restoration of that engine in just 1 year. You are fooling yourself or the public. Someone is wise to you.
the loco re-entered steam today for the first time in 64 years
beautiful
One cannot appreciate enough the effort that these people are putting into restoring this.
Remember, that unlike the Union Pacific, this restoration does NOT have any corporate backing, and is totally dependent on volunteers and individual funding.
All dedication, the people that donated their own time and physical effort toward 1309 are deserving of much credit, to say the least as they resurrected a great part of our history. I would like to say Thank you.
@@eugeeropel5572 Personally, I am against the restoration. We don't need another loco burning fossil fuels, polluting, and contributing to global warming climate change,.
The best course of action would be to tear the loco apart with cutting torches and send the scrap for melting down.
You guys have one heck of a restoration on your hands. I am confident you will complete it..and it will be worthwhile. Will be great to see it steaming.
Awesome thank you for not just scraping it. Always nice to see good effort to preserve and reuse equipment
Oh just fill it with water and light a fire .. Unreal the amount of work that this resto requires ...new appreciation on this
Whoa...Knarly dude! My ole man is a TV repairman and he has this ultimate set of tools - I can Fix This! -Jeff Spicoli
Well now , what a great endeavour ! This is a terrific project , and all involved are to be encouraged and praised for their tenacity. It will be a match for anything when it's complete.
Good luck guys with 1309 I'll be there to see it.
Great video -- thanks for sharing all the great progress on 1309!
been catching up on various topics, and am extremely fascinated at the progress of the 1309, personally I always got the biggest kick out of articulated type locomotives(Nerd alert!), and am querying of the latest progress on the project
Thanks for the fascinating tour magnificent engine!!!!!!
Stephenson would be proud of you all! I think in the UK we are very lucky we have hundreds of locomotives in preservation and working. A whole industry has evolved to restore and service these engines for the 73 standard gauge lines. New examples of locos where none made it to preservation have been made. See LNER A1 Tornado. Looking forward to 4014 on line.
nice job guys I can't wait to see 1309 running in my parents home town of Cumberland Maryland
Great job, guys! For such a large locomotive, I'm amazed by how fast you guys are moving on it and how soon it's expected to be back on the rails. Keep up the good work!
I really hope that with the restoration of the Big Boy and 1309 will usher the restoration of 1218 and one of the 2-6-6-6s and other heavy haulers, to show future generations machines that helped win both World Wars and growing this Nation afterwards.
What a well produced video, can’t wait to see her steam again soon
Western Maryland Scenic Railroad Thanks For The Video.
I find it to be a miracle that we have plenty of smaller shops That can overhaul steam locomotives and rebuild them though yet we don’t have many large shops for many of the programs anymore. Get the only two large shops I ever knew of are the Chyanne steam shop at the main depot in Cheyenne and the East End shops that used to be in Birmingham, Tell it was auctioned off which was a stupid move.
1309 was in major overhaul.
so she passed her hydro Friday !!!!
What a complex engineering 👍
Hey. I know John Hankey. He was on trains unlimited from the history channel in 1997.
There's a steam locomotive in San Antonio Texas that I wish could be resurrected. Not sure the wheel arrangement. I remember seeing it as a kid. It's not there anymore. Not sure where they put it. It was downtown on Broadway at Maverick Park.
Great to see 1309 back in action!
It is amazing what a great job there so called Railroad Museums are doing for turning running locomotives into rusted junk. Apparently they want these locomotives but the don't want to take care of them or make them operational. They were not designed to sit out in the weather and rust away. It looks like all they did to "Preserve" the locomotive was dab black paint on it to cover the rust.
Nice to see you folks are taking restoration seriously. Let's hope that this monster will soon return to the rails under steam and not suffer the humiliation of being dragged around behind some diesel engine. It is good that you are not, like some restoration projects, doing a cursory job of it.
I'm glad to hear this old locomotive that B&O took from russell ky,town right outside my own is finally getting restored and will be running again soon.i really wish the russell rail yards would had made a top of some kind for 1309 when they left it to rust to help slow down the rusting.from what i can find on the 1309 it was still in russell ky in the early 1990 though i was a baby at this time i barely remember seeing a steam engine in russell but sadly i can't find any pictures of this beautiful locomotive rusting away at the station there in russell to help me remember better or if im thinking of another steam engine that went threw there in the early 1990s and im sure 1309's sister unit 1308 in huntington WV is gonna be jealous that it older sister unit will be running again instead of just sitting around in a small railroad museum like 1308 is doing now lol
Sounds like the 1309 will be perfect for tourist train work- really efficient, and will pull a long string of passenger cars by herself.
Are you doing any "modern steam" modifications to her, like an improved exhaust, etc?
Well for the slower steep mountain they pull it is perfect for them, but it would not do the job of mainline excursions, on flatter lands like others would such as 765, 1225, 611, or something like 4449 or 614 were made to do at a slighter lower loading and a higher speed, this could haul lots of cars, but could not keep the great speed needed to pull amtrak excursions for example, and as this guy on the tour states they are large beasts and working on them is no easy task, even if the parts look like a jumble they are laid out a certain way on the floor so we know where everything is, so too with 765 I help out with, we are doing tenderwork right now to get her ready for a weekend of highspeed runs in jolliete Illinois to chicago it wont be our longest excursions but we will be running fast for those four trips, but we need to have the fuel storage shored up, and clear so we dont get bits of metal in the boiler of the engine itself that could be very bad, and we dont want her to leak.
in a word restoring and running big steam is
No Easy Day.
Steam ahead, all the luck you can achieve, from down under land.
Finally an update on 1309!
Buynot you can say that again
Buynot not even the lastest update. If you follow Wmsr on Facebook, you'd see that c&os debut will be July 1st
I CAN NOT WAIT I'M SO HAPPY!!
Hope your guys will compare notes and join forces with the great craftsmen of the Union Pacific Heritage Shops as well... These locomotives are a national treasure and should be preserved for future generations, including the passing on of these skills. The UK has also been doing a wonderful job of bringing rusted steam that was practically junk back to life. And with all of the millionaires and billionaires out there these daze I don't see why funding should be a problem? Note: The host reminds me of Ed Dickens of the Union Pacific Heritage Shops.
all nut & bolt geeks rejoice!, for the rest of us who can't be there & get grubby more video feed as this!
What is the latest project status at the first of 2019? Will this be running in this year or is more work required. 4014 will be operational in late spring. Wouldn't it be nice to see this next to 4014. A pair of the biggest, most powerful engines to run on rails. Good luck witht he work. Nice to know you are doing it all the right way and not skipping over the details.
They don't have the resources Union Pacific has for 4014, so this restoration will take awhile.
Hey adam! B86 south of the bridge!!!
Even if I have to kidnap my dad from work we will be there to see it
I gotta ask. Were you there? 👀
Move the tender outside makes much more needed room?
From what I heard, funds dried up around late June or early July, so her return has been indefinitely postponed until more money can be raised. Here's hoping it doesn't last too long. We need a C&O engine running soon, but much like with the restoration of Union Pacific's Big Boy, I'm not holding my breath
KEVINSHARPE - 4014 is being constantly under reconstruction. It is supported by Union Pacific, not private funding. That job will be done correctly and for long term operation. When restoration projects run short of money, things do not get done as they should be.
She just ran yesterday
So... What is the latest with 1309?? Will it run soon?
Why is current news on this locomotive non existent? This was 5 months ago and I can't find a thing on it anywhere any newer.
Any new progress to report?
Anyone looking for news should check their page on Facebook. A lot of progress has been made, and she’s nearly complete! 😁
Why is there so much segmented inner tubing that looks like a honeycomb instead of 1 or 2 large compartments like a giant hollow tea kettle as you said? Does it help retain heat making the locomotive more efficient? Increase surface area to exchange more heat with the boiler?
Excellent report. In several places the audio was absent, which made me check my computer. I guess that was the intention. But some narration would have been interesting.
how do i donate to help restore the locomotive
will the 1309 fit on the turntable in Frostburg?
In theory, yes. It would make the WMSRR look pretty foolish to buy an expensive locomotive and dump gallons of money and man power into its restoration only to find out they can't run it.
Steven Parry
so I'm assuming there going to have there diesel at the end to pull the train backwards??
That may be the case, but it is a difficult procedure as the 1309 is a friction-bearing locomotive, weighs as much as 4 USRA 80 ton hoppers that were used during the 1309's career, and you have to adjust the reverser to be aligned with direction of travel. If anything is off, it won't end well.
animal16365 they probably could have 1309 push the train up the hill, then pull it back. ??
Yes ,it will. They got this engine to eliminate the diesel helpers to help bring their running costs down. What would be the point of restoring it just to have a diesel pull it back down the hill.
Is this train restored yet it’s been like 2 months since they took it outta the museum so I’m just curious is it restored yet or is it getting closer to be getting restored because there’s haven’t been any more updates so I’m just wondering what’s going on
It takes years to return a normal locomotive to operation this being a 2-6-6-2 that’s like having two engines in one so it’ll be another year or so
It’s scary now, when you hear about those who built things in the past who were wearing suits of asbestos... while the fire wouldn’t get you, the asbestos did in the end.
WWWOOOHHHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
**cough** should take #2101 dude **cough**
Should check out the aussie 6029 garratt i think its bigger then this loco..
And on this day, 11/19/21, It Runs again.
When will the 1309 be operating again?
Caroline McCracken July 1st is its first run
Caroline McCracken tickets are still available
Was...
I know it's been four years, but 1309 is up and running again ^_^
I'm shocked that the tender was rebuild so quickly
Alexander Gudschinsky
By comparison to the engine the tender is rather easy work as your replacing late flat plates of steel and the work goes rather quickly
Whereas working on the engine requires boiler work and suspension work rebuilding all the motion work honing out the Pistons and valves feed-water pumps feed-water heater superheater units if bad need to be fabricated new, in the days of steam you could simply order new superheater units. Those companies are long out of business but Strasberg railroad if I remember correctly will manufacture new superheater units for you as well as any other kind of steam engine work required..
To be totally honest I'd rather listen to the master mechanic tell us about work done and to be done. Then a front office type.
I am a retired locomotive engineer with experience in straight electric, diesel-electric, mu cars 660dc/ 11000 volt AC 25 cycle single phase and 12500 volts 60 cycle single phase and steam locomotives from 2 foot, 3 foot, to standard gauge locomotive's last steam engine was AFT -1.
And turbine hydraulic and turbine mechanical.
What's the current status - sound like the project is stopped, in serious financial troubles, may never get completed, all because of poor estimates, poor planning, poor management, poor communication and has lost credibility with volunteers, donors, and government partners. Very Sad.
So does this mean that a Yellowstone will run again :) awesome
1309 isn’t a Yellowstone it’s a 2-6-6-2 mallet
There are no Yellowstones. All were scrapped. One was supposed to survive and go the b&o museum. But for some reason it was scrapped instead.
@@drby0788 There are actually three Yellowstones from the Duluth, Missabe and Iron Range that have survived.
Wheres Adam?
I can't wrap my head around people in this century knowing how to do this... sure, some of it is in a blueprint, but much of it had to do with the fact that in 1949 people understood all of the engineering and manufacturing decisions... how things are joined, how to account for expansion, how to account for operating conditions, not to mention the hundred levers and valves in the cab.... I'm sure many of those were added over the years because of real world situation encountered and not designed for, per-se... how can anyone figure out the purpose and usage of something perfected so long ago?
forgot to mention... I have heard it commented that today, we cannot actually figure out how to build one of the Saturn 5 rocket engines.... we understand how it works, but can't quite duplicate it...
@@DS-bi3fz
Each one of those F1 engines were custom made. Eventhough they are the same engine, no two were alike. Changes were made to every succession of engine.
I’m assuming this will be converted to oil for fuel
Rebuild one steam locomotive and you'll understand why the diesel ran it off the rails. Maintenance hogs!
Unless you’re an idiot, it doesn’t take much understanding, it’s called obsolescence. However that doesn’t stop people from restoring, running and appreciating antique cars, boats, aircraft and locomotives.
What does she look like now it's been 2 years lol
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This is the kind of information people of today could learn from. Park the guess work, when you come to a place like this. This is way better then any College, A place like this is where you become exposed to the way things were accomplished, Without all of the smoke that goes on in today's world of Guess and Hope. ( "Hence", Today's Boeing 737 max Air Craft, They are guessing on how to fix the problem ) In this place where they are reconstructing a Locomotive that Could "Kick-Ass" and Haul Big-Big-Big Loads, Where you also would work Your "Ass-Off"! look Back an Admire the things people were able to do accomplish it Without the "Cry-Baby" mentality! This is where "MEN"! were "MEN" and the Woman Loved the Men who were Men, Not a bunch of "Pansy;s"! With the Ambition these people bring to make this project the best they want it to be is very rewarding!
You expect to have it up and running next year. Amazing. You must have 100 guys, fully equippment shp and plenty of money. Big boy has take four years and you figure on doning it in just one. You fools ran the locomotive with dry cylinders. all the running gear was connected. Where did the lubrication come from. It doesn't take much running time to score cylinder walls. or burn bearings. There is no way you are going to do a complete and proper restoration of that engine in just 1 year. You are fooling yourself or the public. Someone is wise to you.