BEST AMMO FOR CONCEALED CARRY - SH007ER ShopTalk
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On today's video, Ed talks about the differences between duty and defense ammo, and what to look for when choosing the right ammo for concealed carry.
Ed Thorell is a certified NRA instructor and owner of Firearms Education & Training. He is also a host of the CZcams channel SH007ER: The Series (SH007ER)
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Of all the tutorials I have watched, your is is the ONLY one which explained the differences in Duty ammo and Defense ammo. Job well done sir. Thank you. Liked and subscribed...
9mm Range ammo: Winchester 124gr NATO FMJ. Self-defense ammo: Winchester Ranger T 127gr +P+ hollowpoints.
The best video that I’ve watched so far regarding carry ammo. Job well done!!
Great video! Have carried critical defense ammo for a while now and didn’t know about critical duty ammo and the difference !!!
Great call on the short barrel low velocity ammo.
First time I have heard this referenced in a YT video and it is very important to note.
Appreciation to the amount of info you gave that was easy to understand
Ontario
Well done, that you for briefly breaking down the differences.. short and to the point sir.
Someone who is explaining USAGE of ammo fitted to the weapon and a PERSON'S ENVIROMENTAL NEEDS. You don't see this much anymore. Most only want to show the biggest cavety and penetration. That's not the "REALM GAME".....The trick is matching to the NEEDS.....Well done video !!!
Thank you for that observation. Overpenetration is a real danger that needs to be recognized and using the right ammo for the environment and protecting others from collateral injury should be what the focus is.
every defense ammo vid Ive seen has been heavilty advertised for HST as the preferred ammo. Is that a good defense ammo?
Barrier penetration is just as applicable to civilians. Or, are you just assuming you'll never be carjacked? You may have to shoot through your windshield, side window, or door.
@Edwin Thorell Overpenetration is GREATLY overexaggerated. In real gunfights, most rounds miss. You should be far more worried about those than a hollow point that's expended most of its energy passing through a torso.
Very good video. Thank you for the clear explanation and helpful information.
Thank you this was a phenomenal video. I am somewhat relatively new to firearms and this was a much very needed tutorial.
Thanks for the excellent information!
Now i know which ammo to use when carrying fa and on hime defense. Thank you for the very good explanation.
thank you for your explanations
I tend to carry Hornady Critical Duty exactly for the penetration. Considering that approximately 45% of Americans are considered overweight or obese, more penetration is needed these days to stop an attacker. For most people though, I usually recommend checking what your local police carry and going with that.
I like your show. Every body is talking about this gun and that gun. Very few people talk about ammo. Without ammo a gun is just a paper weight.
Excellent video!
With barrels that are 4” or greater, the ammo that I own and prefer to carry and recommend to others is Hornady Critical Duty rounds, Federal Premium HST and Hydrashok rounds, Speer Gold Dot rounds and Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender rounds.
With barrels that are less than 4” in length, I own, prefer and recommend Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender rounds, Hornady Critical Defense rounds, Federal Premium HST short barrel rounds.
If I had to choose one round for everything, it’s going to be the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender round. I just started testing the round and using it and was very biased against it at first because it is a lighter round. Only 90 gr. for 9x19mm. Typically, on lighter ammunition, especially ammunition that is lighter than what other rounds traditionally are, the further back you go the more accuracy you lose. However, the more I tested this stuff is different handguns and shot through various mediums before being shot through ballistics gel and at distances from 3 yards out to 50 yards, the ammo performed extremely consistent with very little variation no matter what firearm it was shot through, no matter what distance it was tested at or barrier it had to penetrate first.
Prior to that, when it came to barrier penetration, the Hornady Critical Duty performed the best and most consistent but the rounds do not expand as well as the others did. The Federal Premium HST and Hydrashok rounds along with the Speer Gold Dot rounds all performed virtually identical in the testing that I did. They all penetrated barriers very well too but not as well as the Hornady Critical Duty rounds. But, all 3 rounds generally always had much better expansion than the Hornady Critical Duty rounds did. It’s hard to say which of the 3 performed the best, because in all of my testing, the results were all to close to call and were all, almost virtually identical. In my opinion, if anyone chooses any one of those 4 rounds, they cannot go wrong. I keep all of them well stocked up in every caliber of firearm that I own and they all perform great!
Let me add one last thing though. Do not confuse the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender ammo with their Xtreme Penetrator ammo. The Xtreme Penetrator ammo has a very high probability of severely over penetrating! I do not recommend that ammo at all unless someone is using it as a carry ammo when they go hiking or camping and could have an encounter with either a bear, mountain lion or possible bigfoot. That is the only time I would ever recommend carrying that ammo.
Thanks for the in-depth testing. That's a lot of effort and its appreciated
Bigfoot possible, yes.
Excellent explanation and to the point no 30min yada yada yada.👍
Ed, a very good informative video thank you for showing the different options Liked & Shared.👍👍👍
Interesting, I would have thought that the Speer Gold Dot {short barrel version} would have been included, Thanks for posting.
Glock 19 and Gold Dot 124 grain are a perfect match for me.
Liked and subscribed
Thx a lot.
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Works fine in my 4.5 inch
For me i carry a g 19 loaded with either cor bon or speer gold dot. But on weekends for woods carry i load up with 125 grain buffalo bore shp +p+ because of mountain lions or blk bear.
He said dooty lol J/K Great video. What do you think about Underwood Xtreme Defense 9mm?
I have no experience with it. My opinion, for what it is worth, is to stick with major brands and avoid the exotics. I am not implying Underwood is an exotic, just never heard of it or shot it. For defensive ammo, I like stuff like Critical Defense or Federal HST. Exotics like RIP Rounds or Zombie Specials are going to be difficult to defend using, in front of a Prosecutor in court.
All I know is I have carried HST 147 gr.standard velocity for years. Every six months I go to the range and use the ammo I have in my CCW and two extra mags. Never had a bad round or failure to fed or any other problem. Have run the Sig V crown 124 gr.the last year and a half as HST could not be found to purchase. The Sig V Crown are hotter but work great threw my CCW weapon and my duty weapon. Just got ten boxes of HST so back to my old comfort zone.
HST all the way.... NEVER had a problem with them out of any of my 9mms.
@@crankybuzzard6867 I use HST too.
What are your thoughts on the SIG ammo? Having trouble finding HST and was considering the 124 grain SIG V crown for my shield plus 3.1” as my EDC, thoughts?
I carry two 9mms one with Buffalo bore 147gr +p hard cast and seismic 185gr rounds either one not getting up..
I think the best all around ammo is Speer Gold Dot like 9mm 124gr +P.
What quality ammo brand do you recommend for Smith & Wesson M&P .22 LR. Btw, great video
@Le Violoniste - thanks for taking the time to watch our video and leaving us a comment. For most .22l applications, we highly recommend using CCI mini mag rounds. They seem to be the most consistent and are recommended by literally every gun manufacturer.
@@SH007ERTheSeries Much appreciated.👍
Except HST is good for compact carry guns too. One thing you left out and honestly most importantly when talking about the smaller barrel CCW ammo vs so called duty ammo is the type of powder used and the fact that it doesn't produce as much muzzle flash because the powder gets a chance to burn completely. Duty ammo made for full size guns has more muzzle flash.
Hikers:
We use the TUI 115 though I would rather have the 80gr (they were OOS). A single 80 gr has brought down a black bear in testing. See YT.
You forgot to mention they go right through bone and can create sparks in the right conditions. ;)
OFC this is not in a CCW situation. We just hike.
Critical duty and hst are proven and are great choices. It also gives you a safety net in court if you ever had to defend yourself because you could say “I used the same ammo as my local law enforcement” and would most likely be safe from any extra finger pointing because of what ammo you use. Critical defense on the other hand isn’t so great. It fails to make the minimum penetration of 12” into ballistics gel and you’d be hard pressed to get a incapacitating hit with that ammo because of it. The Remington defense I have no experience with. Fort Scott TUI is a great round and is actually carried by some law enforcement. It comes in 80 and 115 grain flavors and is a decently hot round going around 13 to 14 hundred fps from a 4” barrel. TUI is also capable of penetrating level llla soft armor front to back with ease because of it higher velocity and spear point shape as well as being a solid copper projectile. It has its used and should be looked at as a wild card round. I keep a couple extra mags of it in my bag for a potential situation where you’d have an armored shooter, or need to shoot through a tough barrier. Civil liberty on the other hand is absolute garbage. It’s a gimmick round. Just like how he explains in the video is fragments immediately and had basically no legitimate penetration that would even begin to slightly incapacitate someone. Only use for it I could think of would be if your in a really big crowd where if you had to shoot someone there would 100 percent be innocent people behind the target but at that point you wouldn’t be carrying an effective enough round so what would be the point. I’d probably opt for crit defense in that kind of situation because at least you’d get decent penetration maybe.
Gold Dot and HST
I think 4 out of the 6 will work for my G3 and EC9s.
I love the implication that duty ammo is for cops because cops don't care if they over penetrate and hit an unintended target.
What do you recommend for the average CCW holder that couldn’t hit the side of a barn at 10 feet?
12 gauge shotgun
Do you have a suggestion for a truck or vehicle gun?
Great question and I don't have an easy answer for. If you have a CA CCW , a truck gun could be anything you are licensed to carry. There a lot of opinions on this and there are many factors involved.
Thinking more about your question, I have a better answer but its not just one gun, In my case, I would pair a Glock 9mm with a Ruger PC9 Carbine that offer interchangeable magazines and the same cartridge. If you get stranded you have a 100 yard stand off capability bit also the ability for close in defense. If you are in a situation where you have to walk out, the carbine discreetly packs away in a day-pack.
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A, see Handgunlaw.us for carry, gun laws. B, for a vehicle I'd see the Critical Duty 124 gr or 135 +P 9mm. The Ranger T, T series bonded in 127 +P+, 147gr, 124. Buffalo Bore has fast 124 +P+ FMJ but I've seen many say the QC is hit or miss. Cops & state troopers like Speer Gold Dot 147gr +P also.
In most cases the only difference in the wording on the box. Duty vs Home Defense can be the very same ammunition.
In 9mm; I'd suggest Federal HST 124gr +P, Hornady Critical Duty 124gr +P, Corbon DPX 115gr, Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P. In .40 I'd buy a 155-165gr JHP: Speer Gold Dot, Critical Duty, DPX, Ranger T-T series. In .45acp, I'd pick a 230gr +P JHP from HST, Hornady Critical Duty, Speer Gold Dot +P, Ranger T-T series. In 10mm, I'd choose: Hornady Critical Duty or the XTP 155gr. The 10mm Corbon DPX 140gr is well made too. In .380acp, I'd choose a Inceptor ARX or the 90gr Underwood +P load. For general practice or marksmanship, look at the RNP line from Inceptor or a lead free FMJ from Winchester, Speer PMC.
If you carried a 1911 45 acp 4.5
What would YOU carry ? .
And can the Critical Duty rounds be carried buy non law enforcement Citizens?.
Critical Duty is available to the public. It has passed the FBI protocol for penetration of 12 inches into a body cavity after also penetrating simulated car doors, car windows, plate glass, layers of drywall and other types of obstacles. Basically, it is set up for doing battle with bank robbers. However, it may be overly effective in terms of over-penetration. for CCW holders. Critical Defense was engineered for less penetration and for overcoming heavy clothing so some would say its better designed for CCW.
HST man
This video was released the day I shipped out for marine corps boot camp.
Semper Fi brother
@@I.AM.ON.MY.WAY. oorah brother
There was a lot of accurate information in this video and also some inaccurate information. To be specific speaking of the penetration of duty ammo and the increased velocity gained from a duty size weapon. What was not accurate was implying that Critical Defense and Ultimate Defense will not penetrate hard barriers and using them will prevent over penetration. All ammo can over penetrate so perhaps it was the way he presented it but that could be dangerous if misunderstood by a new shooter
Also I've never seen in testing that HST "over penetrates." I think that is inaccurate.
The differences between Hornady Critical Duty and Critical Defense is accurate, though. Hornady's website says much the same as he said.
Would u choose as a edc round,
1..Winchester PDX1 147gr
2..Federal HST +p 124gr..(law enforcement edition)
I also have the Punch and Hyda-shok line from Federal
I like the Hornady Critical Defense because its designed for CCW and functions in all my 9mms
HST. It works just as well in short barrels. 124 gr, 147 gr, +P, or not. They all work well out of a short barrel. From all the tests I've seen, the Punch also works really well for less money.
I'd ditch the old Hydra-Shok. It clogs with heavy clothing quite often. Especially when compared to more modern choices. I'd also avoid the Critical Defense. The most consistent thing about it is its underpenetration.
Pdx1 defenders and hst tactical
Pdx 1 are so consistent and look very pretty after expansion. Usually expand to about .65 in .40 cal
165 gr
@@donaldwiser9668 that's all? A 9mm HST can do that well or better.
@@johnryan6658 over expansion leads to under penetration
@Donald Wiser except the HST's don't. Their penetration falls within the 12 to 18 inch window.
Critical duty, because I always worry about having to shoot from within my vehicle, or a criminal, using their vehicle to kill me…
HST people
Its great ammo for the purpose it was built
Edwin Thorell yes
best ammo is the one you can find to buy. any will do the job
Look at all that ammo
THE BEST AMMO IS : the ammo that cycles through your weapon and does what you need it to do.
Ether way carry critical duty & save the hassle 🤷🏼♂️
It may not be safe to carry a cartridge with all that extra penetration capability which is exactly why the Critical Defense was engineers for CCW. You'll have a much bigger hassle if the projectile passes completely through an assailant or a wall or window and kills someone who is innocent. There is a lawyer attached to every round you fire and you are responsible for those choices you make
@@edwinthorell1573 theres never been a case where someone pulled time because they shot an attacker and the bullet went through and hit an innocent person. Officers in my state carry 40 s&w with pretty hot ammo and if you were to ask them what to carry for EDC, they would recommend the same thing.
@@scyorkshire2496 Never?
@@scyorkshire2496 www.wsoctv.com/news/local/police-investigating-after-teenager-shot-killed-kannapolis/F44ARG5OKFF25HVP6VE332JER4/
www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-carter-sanity-verdict-20190221-story.html
I keep it real simple FMJ in my autos and LRN in my 38's. I train with the ammo I carry. And a big plus is it is much cheaper than the fancy pancy hollow point of the week. This lets me stock up and train more. I'm not paying all that extra $ for the latest greatest bullet that is praised and pushed one week- then thrown aside for the next "must have"' bullet. Training and shot placement are much more important than bullet or caliber. I like the penetration ball ammo offers. I'll go with guaranted penetration and reliability over maybe expansion and maybe reliability. Most people can't afford to buy enough premium ammo to fire enough in their weapon to insure it works. Confidence in your weapon is a major plus too. Many can only afford to fire enough FMJ to get this confidence. I know my thoughts on this subject are controversial and many will disagree. But I'm not trying to convert anyone or tell anyone not to use the bullet style in the spot light this week. Everyone should train and experiment and decide which rounds are best for them. And situations will vary. And I have decided what is best for me.
As much as I think the overpenetration risk is greatly exaggerated, using FMJ rounds is asking for trouble. They can easily pass through a torso and have enough energy left to kill someone else.
It's best if your lawyer tells the judge and jury you use the same ammo your local police are mandated to use. Or be an idiot and load "zombie apocalypse blasters". It would also be good if your gun was a snubby, like the jury's grandfather had to protect granny.
Why is gold dot not represented, why isn’t any Ammo using Lehigh defenses critical defense not represented. It’s probably the best sold copper defensive round. Why is civil defense Ammo on the table it is rubbish
You need to look at UNDERWOOD if you are going to have any credibility IMHO. Fort Scott munitions TUI rounds are excellent but that Civil Defense crap is gimmick junk.
And don't Cary 22 32 380 with your compact gun. My wife carys 40 in her xd subcompact. 3.8 is the smallest we would have at the hip. To get the best bang for your buck, 4in is good to..9mm and n up.
Ammo for conceal carry is a dumb title and dont go together.
It should be titled best ammo for self defense.
Were you scared to open the boxes or what??? 🤦🏿♂️
I saw no reason to open them
All lies people