BMW e92 M3 - Is now the perfect time to buy one?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- In this video you join me discussing the reasons for why I think now is the best time to buy an E92 M3 and the things I love & hate about the V8 powered 3 series.
0:00 - Intro
1:34 - Why I now thinks its the best time to buy an E9X M3
4:15 - New issues for the E92 M3 since the previous re-cap video
8:27 - The things I love about the E92 M3
13:15 - The things I dislike about the E92 M3
17:54 - Thanks and goodnight, lets get ready for the Ring in July! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
It’s always a good time to buy an e92 m3
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Yes
That’s for sure 😄
I miss mine, I still think about getting another one.
Bought a white E92 M3 from 2011 about 6 months ago. Absolutely love it! Not gonna sell it. And as you mentioned, we have to enjoy these kind of cars the upcoming years. Who knows what regulations there will be in about 5 to 10 years time.
Nice video 👌🏻
All this talk about noise cameras, high tax, drivers cars getting massively expensive is heartbreaking for us younger car enthusiasts. Makes for grim listening I can only hope the situation improves but have a feeling you're right. Need to make a quick buck and enjoy these wonderful machines before it's too late 😪
Yep sadly a real shame the way it’s going and I genuinely hope I can look back in 5 years at this video and say I was wrong but can’t see it…
So yes, time to get one now even if it means selling body organs to fund it 😅
Wow the induction roar sounds good, your mic picked up the noise well. I've kept mine standard but still sounds nice at the top end of the revs.
It certainly makes all the right noises 😬
Even stock the S65 is a glorious engine to push through the upper RPM as you mention 😎
Very informative. Accurate observations
Brilliantly detailed video cheers mate
Glad you enjoyed 👍😎
Giulia qv owner here. Had 2 E92 M3s before this over an 8 year period. I genuinely think the e92 m3 is best bmw ever made. Such an amazing car.
Agree 👍😎
Great video!! I’ve had my 2011.75 comp E92 since new. Waited 4-5 months to get it delivered since I opted for the 6MT. I’m running it with a full akra EVO exhaust set up and ESS tune. Also added an intake, changed out the foot pedals and added some carbon fiber cosmetics. Got 44k miles on it and did the rod bearings last year along with a SSK.
I love this car. I take it out a few times per month and have never really daily driven it. I love it. Personally I think it’s a great looking car. I have no plans of ever selling it but with the way the government is heading with regulations I doubt it would even be street legal with in the next 10 years. It really is sad that has vehicles are being forced out of existence.
Sounds like a lovely spec 😎
Would love an Akrapovic system
Great video, love my 2013 e92 m3 dct Competition
Greetings from germany
Thanks 😎👌
Shall hopefully be back in Germany next month in mine 😬
Just got a white 2013 m3 red interior. Competition. Plan to keep it for life. Love it
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Excellent video again mate, keep up the E9X M3 content. Best modern/ classic M car along with 1M. Hydraulic steering, mechanical diff, N/A and rear wheel drive. I think your should review a well sorted 6MT one too soon to compare the difference. I'm a little bias having the 6MT M3 and 1M haha
Thanks Kenny 😎👍
I’ve been waiting a while to review a friends 6MT which has been given some breathing assistance from an ESS charger so should be fun 😬
PS wonderful collection you have there although the 1M needs the V8 for me but as it’s one of the best looking M cars I can forgive it 😅
One month into ownership. 08 plate on 106k. Watched your video before purchasing, so nice to see another update. Feels very relaxed compared to my M4. Only regret is going Manual and not going DCT as it's so long geared (110mph in 3rd) you don't get the best out the engine imo.
Glad your enjoying the content, plenty more to come on the e92 M3 😎
Yea a lot have confirmed that including myself regarding the manual. My good friend Matt owned a manual e92 M3 many years ago and was the first one I ever drove! Even back then I was shocked how tall the gearing was.. the DCT + S65 is just a match made in heaven 👌👌
Good news is you could instal a shorter final drive in the diff which would excite things 👌
I own a manual 08, and my dad has a 13 dct. Definitely agree with you about the gearing and i find that it delivers a different driving experience than the dct for sure. currently looking into a dinan 4.10
@@nickt5978which one do you prefer? it’s my childhood dream car, looking to get one, leaning towards manual qnd i’ll do a shorten diff as well as my first mod
The m3 in e9x model i really like but just not keen on the other models really just not like the e46 but thats just me i surpose but another great video really enjoyed watching it 👌
I like the look of the F80 M3, just wished it had the sound to match, there was a picture I saw of an S65 fitted to an F80 M3 😮
E46 M3 is the all time best looker for me too, your not alone 😎
@@stoneautomotive yes mate problem is the turbo drounds the 6 pot note and i feel like they sound like a wet fart then you got the added pop n bangs which im not massive fan of add rather have the burble noises 😎 oh really s65 into a f80 m3 now that be interesting 🤔 f80 m3 deffo over the m4 and m3 arches stance better 😎👌 to right funny enough ive taxed it lastnight so today hoping to get it running first time since last september 😅
Great video mate! I am in the market for either an E92 M3, or F82 M4. This car will be daily so gas is a little concerning, but that V8 sound is making it hard to choose the newer more techy M4. Any help deciding would be great, cheers!
It’s a tough one and will always be a personal preference so certainly worth taking both for a test drive 👍
The v8 has the sound track and loves to rev and really does feel a special occasion with a few upgrades
The M4 has tons more punch with the turbo and the tec is leagues above but for me it’s a cool daily rather than a special weekend car
Great video, subscribed! Just watched your M2 video as well, another great watch.
I’ve got an OG M2 and always wanted an E92 M3. I am enjoying the car after three years and had no issues so far, which is a big factor for me in regards to reliability.
What do you think when comparing the two? Would it really be an ‘upgrade’ moving from an OG M2 to an E92 M3? In my potential case I would like to move from a manual to a DCT. Would be great to hear your thoughts!
Thanks Chris and glad you enjoyed the video 😎
The M2 is a great car and I genuinely enjoyed driving Matt’s but for me the e92 M3 was more fun to get back into after reviewing the M2, I think it’s very much a personal driving style that will be the decider as if you ask my misses she thinks the e92’s slow due to the lack of torque and the fact it wants to be revved to 6,000+rpm which which has no interest in. Stock vs stock I think the M2 would edge it as the e92 needs a few modifications to really get the best from the V8 experience. Best advice is get down to a dealership and try one 😎
Thanks very much for the prompt reply. I’ll definitely keep my eyes opened for a good example E92, and will consider further from there. Keep up the great work with the channel and so good to see you engaging with all your audience in the comments.
Great video, I’ve got a comp spec E92 manual and it’s such a brilliant car. Do you recommend anyone in south East England to check some of these known issues (subframe, vanos etc)?
I don’t know anyone to recommend over that side of the UK I’m afraid but Tom at spartan automotive is my go too if a jobs to big for me (he’s based just outside of Fleet)
bad ass car
I just bought mine here in California for $23k. 08, 180k miles lol. But catch was it’s in near perfect condition with lots of cosmetic upgrades.
Wow that’s some mileage 👌👌👌
After having an f82 m4 for 5 years I’m finally picking up my e92 m3 on Tuesday
Hope your enjoying the V8 😎 granted power doesn’t come as easy as the s55 but once wound up the e92 is no slouch
how have you found it so far?
I keep thinking about getting an E92 M3 but have always been put off by potentially ruinous running costs. Is there much difference between the prices of manuals compared to dual clutch autos? I read one review where it was said that most E92 M3's didn't make the quoted 414bhp but have seen plenty of dyno runs showing 420bhp+.
The manuals are certainly seen as the “drivers choice” but in my opinion the manual is not a nice shift and the gearing is far too tall.. the DCT works so well mated to the S65 V8 engine 😎 would be DCT for me all day long
I’ve seen stock cars do 380-420 at the flywheel, pre-cat delete is certainly the best cost effective modification you can do to these 👍
I'm going to be doing major DIYs this upcoming summer on my recent purchase of 2011 E90 M3 at 120k miles! Engine valve cover gasket, fuel injectors, metal vanos covers, fuel valve, transmission fluid change, and O2 sensor. The car will be completely sorted. Also, I had rod bearings done right after purchasing the car along with coolant flush, steering pump fluid flush, wheel alignment, water pump belt replaced, and idler pulley. After that, I'll start taking care of the blemishes like PDR and refinish all four 359m wheels. Then, I'll get that carbon plenum and look for mpe v2 exhaust.
Sounds like your certainly looking after this one 😎
Love the shape of the E90 too 👌 you won’t regret the plenum, the sound of the Karbonius singing on full throttle is incredible 😎😎😎
Bmw coolant doesn’t need changing. I think steering and transmission aren’t necessary either but don’t quote me on that.
Funny thing is I’ve just sold my 316bhp Focus ST Mk2 to buy an E92 M3 😍😍
You won’t regret it 😎👌
Just coming back to say I’ve finally bought one!! I picked her up a few weeks ago . BMW E92 M3 Competition in Mineral white 😍😍😍😍
I can see some deflection in your aftermarket intake manifold, it could theoretically affect the air flow to your throttle bodies.
Karbonius are the best in the business and it ran perfectly on the Dyno Dynamics rolling road 👍
@@stoneautomotive seen Eventuri?
@@mattyb1624 yep, and seen there trumpets come off inside the plenum 🤮🫠
Discussed it in the first Karbonius video and heard more cases since ☹️
i just bought one and saw this video on my feed literally 2mins after 😭
Well you have one now so simply enjoy 😬👌
I also wish that the e92 m3 was 150kg lighter. Most of the weight saving was done in front of the A pillar. it's almost like weight was deliberately added to the rear of the car to get close to 50:50 distribution. Some obvious causes : the steel drive shaft and diff housing, subframe and rear exhaust box.
Agree regarding the heavy rear, you can chop weight quickly with the Akrapovic exhaust, lithium battery & carbon boot lid.. just not a cheap day out 😅
100 thousand miles engine just opens up 👍
100% agree if looked after/ serviced correctly 👍
Only downside is expect to pay bookoo bucks around 100k miles. Don’t buy expecting it will go up in value. I will only be interested for the nostalgia and not all synthetic modern electronics. I paid around 16k the past 3yrs after 100k. Stuck injectors, trans sensor, engine cover crack, differential, oil pan, clutch pack and etc.
I’ve imported an 03 3.0l z4 and an e91 into the south of France where I live,both have mot advisories on rusty subframes and I plan to remove and refresh both myself,I’d love an e92 m3 but can’t find one for sale in my local dealer in Toulouse,they do however have an alpina b3 e92 for 46.000€ or a mint e46 m3 with 50,000 miles on the clock for 43.000€,what to choose?
Surely be half the price to import one from the UK? The savings must make it worth having the steering wheel on the wrong side 😅
Problem is mate I need to pay 30% import duty because of Brexit,still no road tax here only a one time fee to pay when you register the car in your name.
Great video. That’s my silver Transit Custom parked in the car park(Sunbury, near Thames Court)🫣😂 I have just picked up a 2013 e92 M3 6mt with only 17k last weekend. I’m already completely obsessed with it😍
Small world!
I’ve only just started using that car park last year as it’s always dead! I normally film at the other end of Staines down the end of the cause way down by Runnymede round about.
You’ll spot the locations on the m videos around the area 😅
Mercedes W204 C class rear subframes are corroding like no tomorrow and they’re being covered under warranty with 25 years. Hopefully bmw do this
Very interesting point, BMW only offers 12 years corrosion looking online (which would mean mine expired last month 🤦♂️)
Reading claims people have submitted the car would be required to have full BMW service history to comply, what a joke 😩
We pay 730 a year road tax yet it’s ulez compliant lol I done everything to my m3 next will be the rear subby, never plan on selling her. Absolute dream to drive
The government making up there own rules as usual 🤦♂️
Same, can’t see what could replace it for the money!
Almost bought one ☝🏻 some one got it before me. Next time.
Perfect time to grab a bargain now so keep your eye on the for sale pages 😬👍
For someone who can’t quite afford the car and the maintenance that comes along with it, what car would you suggest that sounds good?
That’s a question I couldn’t answer, so many choices and different budgets 🤷♂️
2000’s GTO LS & Manual option. Foxbody mustangs. Amongst others they aren’t the prettiest cars but keyword they can sound good, and can be very fast.
The Road Tax is insane! For starters.
Massive fuel costs!
The BMW M3 V8 is one of those cars that the excitement overtakes our common sense, and we get emotionally involved and a month later in a quite moment we ask ourselves, what was I thinking! This car is madness. My advice get together with some petrol heads in your area and buy one between yourselves. Have it a week a month and you get all the fun with none of the massive cost implications.
The shared ownership idea is certainly not a bad idea to spread the costs if it’s just a weekend toy 👍
i love e92
That makes two of us 😎
You are correct traded my E46 M3 for an E93 LE500 in Imola red as I wanted to experience a V8. She sounds awesome especially with the roof down.
Haven’t driven an E93 but as you mention roof down with the V8 singing must be something special 😎
Hes got 2strokes ,,he's got a grom,he's got an M ....he's got access to my voice mail....🇬🇧👍
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What are to top main issues with these cars if you were to list your top 3 ?
Rod bearings, fuel injectors & throttle body actuators.
The rear subframes are starting to suffer from corrosion which can be an expensive repair.
@@stoneautomotive man i really want to get one but ive always been a lexus type of person so this feels like an anxiety attack with this situation i am in.
@@Coral-reef. they are fantastic cars but certainly have some issues if not looked after, if you have a look at my e92 M3 playlist on the channel you can join me on the adventure 😬😅👍
@@stoneautomotive man my friend used to have a bmw 335is and i knew it was cool but after many years now im in love with the m3 which is one step above the 335is. Have you heard if the 335is version ? Its a dual clutch also but v6 335i engine
Definitely move out of the UK!!
Yep certainly becomes more and more appealing as the years go by!
I came back to this video as last week my car broke down, limp mode, erratic revs and kept cutting out. Turned out to be a brake servo vacuum sensor. Strange symptoms but fine since changed. Anyone ever had that?
Had exactly the same thing - forums.m3cutters.co.uk/threads/stones-2011-e92-m3-competition-project.207436/page-8
@stoneautomotive ah! The codes I got were misfire on all cylinders 🤣 really relieved when the engine sounded fine though
Just outside the London? I am in Ealing Broadway here are more and more electric cars and personally I hate it. M3 v8 was always my dream and now all this electrics taking place on the roads.
I’m over by Heathrow airport, more and more electric cars on the road each day 😞
yobs should be arrested for conspiracy to supply pops and bangs
100% agree 👍😅
How much miles do you get in your e46 m3 ?
Cruising can see 350+ so around 70 miles more to a tank
The £700 a year road tax is quite off putting, the thought of paying £7k in road tax for 10 years makes me feel sick 😂
£700+ per year and it’s based on emissions??
But I can drive it into the ULEZ ??
Something doesn’t add up 🤷🏼♂️
Yea when you look at it like that 🤮
At least the roads are lovely to to use which makes up for it… 🤦♂️😅
@stephenwilson2793 don’t even get me started on that 😅
Government not so long ago telling everyone diesel is the future and £30 a year road tax and now driving a diesel your told your killing all of London..
@@stoneautomotive exactly. And the electric cars will be next 😂
It does stink to be fair, know it applies with anyone with a car that emits 355g/km. In the UK at least you're taxed heavily on the fuel you put in so are in effect paying twice on the lower mpg vehicles. Re the £7000 over 10 years you might have something less fun that's £400 per year so it's £3000 difference. Not that there's much choice but that's how I justify it.
Nope probably in a year or so when car market feels the pain. Though if you can get one for 20k ish probably safe.
These are already collectables. Good luck finding one for cheap, as its prices are going up on the daily.
I bought an ‘11.5 e93 m3 no issues with 83k for $20k 👍🏾 great deal
I can imagine it’s sweet hearing the V8 sing with the roof down 😎
Yes fam it’s wild in a good way - although not to sound like a pessimist it’s true, it’s a bit more bark than bite comparatively speaking to these modern 500+ hp performance cars from the factory. Nothing a bit of boost can’t fix 🤷🏽♂️ still proud to own & ridiculously fun
What’s the lowest the e92 m3 has ever been worth? Or have we not hit that point yet? If we have are they slowly going up now? I’d love to see some sort of graph with the average sale prices of these over the past 16 years
I’ve seen a high mileage e92 with cosmetic issues with a buy it now of £10k, that’s got to be the lowest price
Still don’t have mine waiting for you to send me the details 😏
The details to buy mine 👀😅
@@stoneautomotive yeah 😂😂
@@CraigAshleyHawes everything can go for the right price 👀😂
@@stoneautomotive don’t tease big boy 🤣
This or E46 M3 these days??
Still a very tough decision as both cars do certain things better than the other.. but the e92 is the overall winner for me still
No, in Europe they are the same price as an F80, should have bought one 4-5 years ago.
This has just put me off buying one. To much to worry about, never mind the cash. C63 for me
Sadly the C63 is not fault free either of you looking online, head gasket issues and corrosion problems as well.. end of the day I’m giving viewers a worst case scenario - is every car effected by these issues, of course not and always keep in mind bad news spreads faster than good.
I know but I previously owned a 2011 c63 6.2 with 67000 miles and I drove to 90000 miles and I had very very few issues, just stupid stuff you would expect from a car with that mileage, this time I’ll go for one below 40,000 miles. Thanks. Your video was full of info! Thank you ❤
seen a 60k KM M3 e92 for 60k...
2013
The generation that should have been called m4.
Very true 👍
Hearing about the road tax made me shake. I feel for petrol heads the world over.
Here in California I pay $800 a year for “registration”
All of this for emissions.
Yet, every climate conference is hundreds of soft headed millionaires flying all over the world in jets. Go figure.
Real shame isn’t it ☹️
That’s why we need to enjoy it whilst we can, no doubt we shall all be priced out of it soon enough and as you mention those running it will fly around with the biggest carbon foot print of all!
An e92 M3 manual weighs 1580 kgs, the DCT is something like 30 Kgs heavier, and the convertible ~200 kgs heavier!! So I'm not sure where you got 1700 kg from.
Agreed about the range and lack of dipstick!!
Your cold start was loud because your exhaust was loud!🤣
As for 'noise' cameras, that's new to me, considering how many retards now have ridiculously loud exhausts and those stupid backfiring 'tunes', I'm not surprised this has happened. In fact I welcome it! (bearing in mind I own an M3, I'm no Sunday driver in a Micra!). Try living on/near a main road with that racket, I used to live on a main road, and those retards would really screw up your sleep! Not to mention drowning out your telly if you dared to have the window open through the summer.
(Btw I'm NOT counting you in that group 🙂 , I trust that even when your exhaust was loud, that it wasn't that loud! 😉).
ULEZ doesn't affect any petrol car from about 2003, our e9xs are safe on that front, ULEZ is about soot emissions, not CO2, it is a problem for many older (pre 2014 ish IIRC) diesels though! (like my e90 330d, fortunately I've not yet had to go through or around one, although the south London extension brings it within a few hundred yards of a mates place in Caterham!).
And yea the road tax is a rip off now! I bought my M3 in Nov 2019, I swear it was about £550, the nearly £700 it is now is outrageous! And is why I will continue to SORN it through the winter (and get back 5 months of the 12).
As for your question, 'is now the time to buy an e92 M3?' Nope! That was about 3 years ago when prices were at they lowest, post lock downs the prices have only gone up! I bought mine for £14.7k , same spec car (2008, MT, no EDC, 70-80k miles) is now going for £18-20k.
PS I'm still not remotely convinced that revving to 1100 RPM when cold is going to do any damage (beyond a 'slow' cold start), where do you get that info from?
The pops and bangs should be banned I agree, like you they go off all night in the poxy Fiesta ST crowd (I also live on a main road 🤦♂️)
@@stoneautomotive Yea the noise cameras should get them (but I've also heard Merc's and BMs with those stupid bang tunes). Where have you seen these noise cameras?
@@Assimilator1 The first I’ve seen of them is in Alton, they have been trialed around Loomies cafe (motorcycle hot spot) just like average speed cameras that were once only for motorway construction but are now appearing on any decent road it’s only a matter of time before there everywhere ☹️
@@stoneautomotive Damn! I live nr Aldershot, so not far away! That said, I've done a static sound test and mine is now at ~98dB, so I'm not worried (it was at 104db, which sounded great!, but seeing as most tracks are limited to 100 or 105dB I had to quiet it down 😢. Still sounds good under load though!)
@@Assimilator1 yea not a million miles from me 👍 thankfully Nurburgring is 130db so should be okay for next months trip 😅
No oil deep stick. Bmw why???
You drive this car and you constantly think whether there is oil or not.
A question I’m sure many of us including myself would love the answer too! Assume it will be down to cost saving 🤦♂️
It has a sensor which tells you when it’s low.
They should be cheaper
I think the price for performance makes the e92 M3 a very good purchase at the current rate compared to other cars of this age
It’s trying to find a straight, un-abused, low miles with FBMWSH in the colour you want with the spec you want!
There’s plenty of bags of shit out there for sure!
M-cars aren’t expensive to maintain, I have 5, it’s all about finding the right car in the first place!…all mine have below 20 k on the clock!
I don’t use my cars during the winter so they never see any salt!
I always use OEM parts from bmw, never use non genuine parts!!🤬
Depends what your plans are for the car, if your a collector (which it certainly sounds like you are) it can’t be easy as you mention to find good clean standard examples & yes sadly there are a lot of rough examples on the market that’s for sure ☹️
I’m not fussed for genuine BMW parts providing the standard is above the original item but that’s with a modified view and I’m also not fussed at all for FBMWSH, seen enough poor work first hand come out of many dealers so would much rather see a car that’s been looked after by a specialist regularly than bmw every 2 years/15,000 miles 😵
@@stoneautomotive yeah get what your saying however I’m lucky enough to have at least 20 pals who work at Sytner Nottingham, in the workshop, bodyshop & in parts, known them over 30 years & never had a bad job done or been ripped off!👌
There are plenty of bags of shite out there, I’ve seen some absolute knackers & the owners think there fantastic!🙄
Still each to here own I guess.
With almost 3k in taxes every year and in total 6k in first registration taxes it's just not worth it over here. Nurburgring July bebeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Where on earth do you live?
@@nvl2691 Belgium, amazing country over here, you don't even know half when it comes to cars, real criminals the government over here.
Man that makes the UK sound really cheap to own one 😅
@@swansmeister Damn. At least you have waffles
@@nvl2691 ow thats nothing. I had a s204 c63. Guess how much that was. 5k yearly. Fitst registration taxes 10k. Luckely if it's a wagon you can make it a "utility vehicle" over hete by removing the backseat and have 60% of the floor plain, floor has to be either welded or riveted and seatbelt points removed and a seperation panel of yay high behind the backseats. If you do that its 160euro's 😂 I'm telling you this country is mad.