I have done a lot of windsurfing and snorkeling in Denmark in winter in around zero degrees. Keeping the body warm is not a problem (I have been IN the water for hours in a +7 mm divesuit - no problem :-). I actually dress overly warm when I windsurf - like 7 mm on the body and 5 mm boots (you actually get used to it). This helps to transport body heat to the hands. I have gotten used to the open mittens and rubber gloves, and I always bring an insulated cooler box with 5 litres of warm water to the spot. I dip my boots and gloves in the warm water before wearing them, so my feet and hands are over heated when going out (really nice), and if I have a break I warm up my hands another time. It's all about 'start warm and stay warm'. And then I stay away from the extreme conditions like small boards in heavy winds from shitty directions. This is a summer activity, where the risk of dying out there is less 🙂... All the best Per - Denmark
Hands are the issue. I take a water cooler filled with warm water (a round insulated container with a large lid you bring to a camp site). After the first 30 minutes on the water I come back to shore and will warm up my hands in the warm water. By that time my body had a chance to adjust, warm up with the sailing and get the blood flow back to arms and legs. Even with open-palm mitts, then my hands stay warm as long as don’t plunge them too long in my spot freezing water! Great vid, Nico. Great info on products too.
Reusable heatpacks (small size for gloves) on top of my hands in open palm mittens: toasty warm hands for about 45 minutes! I bring two sets for a two hour session, the only trick that worked for me.
I went out this morning in 4deg air temp, about 2-3deg water temp. I have 7mm boots, they're even better in terms of feel than the 3 or 5mm I had before so I think brand and model differs a lot. I really really prefer bare feet, so much so that I surf barefoot as soon and as long as I can at Kabbelaarsbank which is notorious for shells and oysters. I get into the water using flipflops which I put into the mastsleeve when I get onto the board. I have a really good fitting 5/4 NP wetsuit. I really hate the hooded ones, but as soon as NP sells a 6mm non-hooded frontzip I'll get it. On the topic of frontzip, I hate backzips, water always get onto my back and especially cold water is really nasty. I wear really thin garden gloves, sometimes with normal open tip sailing/surfing gloves over them. But I still get forearm cramps, not as much as with preshaped neopreens but still. I can maybe do a 45-60min session then I'm done and wasted. When the wind is really cold (north or east) I might wear a 1mm vest under my wetsuit. I also have a neopreen sweater to go over my wetsuit, but I haven't used it on the water yet, I really only use it to stay warm on the waterside. I can change inside my car, and the car can be heated when not moving (I drive electric) so I can get into my gear in a warm enviroment and get out inside a warm car. Sunshine can make a lot of difference in relation to windchill, I have not had any windchill problems when the sun is out even if the temperature is near freezing. But when the sun is blocked, windchill is a given. Last remark, like Nico said, hands are the biggest problem. Swinging your arm helps getting the blood flow back to your hands and fingertips. I've learned to do this in the 80's while skiing, and it works on the water as well. Be aware though, when your hands get below a certain temperature and the bloods starts to flow back into them, it is going to tingle and then hurt like hell. Other than pooring warm water over them to mitage the sensation a little, the pain is going to last a few minutes. Bite through it, there is no other way.
I also surf at kabbelaarsbank:p As beginner, I never went out mid winter. Have you ever gotten any trouble with not getting back up after falling due to “too cold muscles” or is it safe (for me me who still falls alot) Antwoord kan ook in Nederlands hoor:)
@@evb- Ik val ook nog best vaak, ik ben misschien een gevorderde maar zeker geen expert (ik surf als herintreder nu weer zo'n 3-4 jaar, ongeveer 140 sessies per jaar). Soms is het zelfs zo dat het in het water aangenamer is dan op het board omdat je in het water geen last hebt van windchill. Je pak moet wel echt goed zitten en het is niet zo dat je het uren uit zou houden in het water. Ik heb nog nooit het gevoel gehad ik kom niet meer terug omdat mn spieren te verkrampt zijn. Hooguit enorm veel pijn aan de vingers op het moment dat het bloed dus weer terugstroomt naar je vingers. Het is ook weer niet zo dat ik het hele grevelingenmeer oversteek, in de kom (dus wel buiten het beginnerspoeltje) en net daarbuiten vind ik prima in de winter. Misschien iets verder als er genoeg mensen op het water zijn. Ik merk ook wel dat ik vanaf een temperatuur vanaf 10 graden (zowel lucht als water) het rustig 2 tot 3 uur vol hou, maar onder de 10 graden en zeker richting het vriespunt is het na 60min echt wel klaar wat mij betreft.
Good to hear what work for you and others. Here in Denmark cold is also a problem. My only problem is cold hands. I use open gloves, but can only have them covering my thumb. I need to have my fingers free. What works for me is to go out for 15 minutes until I can't feel my fingers anymore. Then I go up and as soon I get up the heat comes back in my hands. It's really painful when the heat comes back and I could almost cry🤣 After 5 minutes like that, my hands starts to burn and I go out again for hours without getting cold again. I have noticed that my impactvest helps a lot keeping my upper body warm Thank you for your videos. I am always looking forward to your next video 🤙
Thank you boss. I remembered when I started the windsurfing. It was pandemic period and I was alone. I think I'm very luck for I didnt live any problem. 👌⛵️🙏
If there are long lulls or any risk that the wind will die it is nice to make sure the board is big enough to uphaul the sail. A bit stressfull staying too long in cold water waiting for enough wind to waterstart.
Great video as always Nico👍 I’m windsurf in Norway through the winter. If open palms gets too cold I use “strong” Nitrile gloves, that really works and gives excellent friction to the boom. Rubber or latex gloves are not suitable and gives very low friction. Try Nitril next time👍
From lots of cold water experience, 5C is the low limit for both comfort and safety. Below that temperature it's just impractical to windsurf comfortably and if the water is correspondingly cold you can get in serious trouble very quickly - no matter what wetsuit you wear. Kitesurfing you can go a couple of degrees lower with comfort (smaller bars) but the safety issue remains.
Hello. My tip is use a boom with a smaller diameter. From 32 to 29 and then use the globes. Then you get less pain in your arms. Last week I needed 2.05m and used the 170-230 instead off the 190-240 boom. Mauisails 170-230 with wide end and 29mm . I never use gloves because of kramps. Hang Loose
Some good advice in this one! I like the tip about dressing overly warm on the way to the launch. I also turn the heat way up in the car so that by the time I get there it actually feels good to step out into the cold.
I would add invest in after the session. Bring an extra towel, thermos and buy a robe poncho. Because when you are tired from sending it all day it gets cold so much faster and the gear still needs to be packed.
I surf around the year in Denmark, and agree 100% about the open palm. Even bought a lobster pair and cut out the palm, work perfectly. I generally use a 4/3 wet suit but with another layer inside. The inside shirt used in the winter has a built in hood and long sleeves. I also have a real neopren hoodie, but it add a lot of weight, but is very nice in between sessions and before/after. My favourite winter spot is Lynæs in Denmark, laaaaarge area where you can walk in, if someting happens.
I found not all rubber dishwashing gloves to be good. You want the cheapest rubber gloves as they are the thinnest, I also have cramps with the softer more expensive ones. Unfortunately the cheapest rarely last more than 1 or 2 sessions, but they are pretty comfortable. Another trick I use is fill one or two 5L bottles with very hot water, then wrap at least 2 towels around it for insulation, it'll be very warm still after half a day and very nice to pour in your wetsuit before and after the session. Also when changing outside in the cold, putting your feet in a small tub with warm water will be so warming that you can almost strip naked outside without getting cold. The position of your car in relation to the wind is also something to consider, so you can change in the windshadow.
Dish gloves under open palm mitts are the best solution I have found. Oversized mitts really help especially if loose around the wrists. Thawing out numb hands after the first reach makes all the difference for the rest of the session, I can't overstate this!
It rarely gets super cold here but I found out on a really cold, windy day, that aluminum booms really wick the heat out of your hands. Carbon seems to do a lot better.
When it gets really cold I wear a spray top( dinghy sailing ) even though 5/4 wet suit is brilliant, stop wind it's perfect. As I'm wearing a helmet, I wear a cycling skull cap under, perfect, wet suit socks under booties, palmless mittens brilliant.
Thanks for the video Nico 👌. There is less about gloves and experiences on internet. Most brands who sell them has no information about grip and pay no attention to cramp solutions. The open palm is probable the best one and a bottle warm water.
Canadian cold weather tip =Cooler full of HOT water. During breaks plunk your feet and hands in there, and even put some down your suit. P.s. secure your cooler so it doesn't TIP over...happened to me , van floor full of water.
Hello, i have a new solution for gloves: The palmless 5 finger glove. You have to make them yourself, right now there is no comercial product, but it´s just very little work. Use 2 or 3mm 5 finger gloves, get a really pointy scissor, like for fingernails. Put gloves on and mark were you will make the cutouts, don´t overdo on size, more can be cut out easily. I put them on palms, lower thumps and lower/middle fingers, similar to where palmless mitten have them. But don´t cut all neoprene out, leave some bridges where fingerjoints are, just 2-3mm wide. You will have one connect bridge from palms to lower finger joints, bridges each finger in middle joints. Upper finger/ thump joints is where cutout finishes, the upper part needs to be unchanged to not have fingers slip out of finger tipps.These bridges will stabilize the glove and of course cut out only the inside part where fingers meet the boom, start small and test if small is enough. Grip is as good as mittens, but gripabillity is so much better when not holding boom during manouveres. Perfect with precurved finger gloves. And they are qiute warm also.
@@stournie It works as good as open palm mittens, but you grip everything else besides boom so much easier. It´s nearly as not having gloves on, problem is water entrance, as is with open palm mittens. Tried to wear thin rubber gloves above, but didn´t find the xl-size needed to fit the hand + gloves. Perfect solution would be a 5 finger glove with just a textile/latex layer where are opening needed and the rest like 2 to 5mm neoprene, that would be watertight and therefore much warmer. It´s a pitty that no company even thinks about this. Maybe buy myself some liquid latex and a cheap pair of 3mm 5 finger gloves and make it DIY.
Another tip for the open palm mittens: I find most gloves and mittens are too tight at the wrist, stopping blood flow and causing cramped forearms. I made a lenghtwise cut along the bottom of the wrist of about 4 cm with a pair of scissors.. This really helps!
I think choosing the right boots and gloves also depends on the riding stlye. For slalom you have a lot of lift/power and stand on the edge of the board. So you need more controle = thinner-boots and gloves. For wave or freeride boards with footstraps more in the middle and smaller sails you can go thicker, because you dont need that much power in forarm and feet. Also i believe wearing a simple 20€ rainjacket above the neo helps a lot, no matter how warm you neo is. The jacket helps much better against loosing temperature through the wind. For me it changed at 5°C from beeing fine with only the wetsuit to sweating in it. In this moment the body has more energy for the feet and hand, so also them get warmer.
Good video and tips. It's important to have good grip in cold conditions. If you notice your grip weakening it could be a sign of cold exhaustion where the body is shutting off circulation too your hands. Time to head back.
kokatat drysuit. No changing at the beach. What I wear windsurfing is what I wear driving to and from beach. and the most flexible suit I have ever worn WS. feels like I am not wearing a suit at all.
I've considered inventing 'electro booms'; heating element wire wrapped around hand area of booms, battery inside boom, a couple of wires and a variable output switch. Never gotten around to it but I can imagine the steam rising off of a hot boom.
After first feeling of cold fingers, go out and imitate throwing stone to ground. It pushes the blood back to fingers. It takes about 5 min of this. If you do it with too cold fingers, it hurts like hell. But once it's done, your hands are warm for the rest of the day
Peeter, I refuse to go out on water like Jüri and Ivo during these months. I remain to play on ice and snow until March. But I do totally agree with your remarks. See you soon!
If your fingers starting to hurt, because of the warm blood streaming back in the cold fingertips, dip your hands sometimes shortly back in the cold water. That could help to get the time of hurt a little shorter..... ;-)
I believe the problem with the forearms is not due the glove thickness, but the hands tend to slip in the glove (the glove grip quite well on the boom, but the hands slip on the gloves). For me, this problem happens on all type of gloves.
Really great advice! The most uncomfortable thing in winter is to keep the finger temperature. I use open gloves, only the thumb and index finger are kept in the glove, and I take a rest in 15-20 minutes to ease the temperature of the fingers. I will try the method you mentioned next time.
Great video. This is my first season where I windsurfed in November. The last day I went the water was about 8C and the air was about 5C. Interesting comments on the gloves. For me I bought a 5MM gloves that are watertight and they kept me warm. I have a RipCurl 4/3 Dawn Patrol and wear a diving liner under it and it worked well. I want to venture out maybe in March but will need a vest or thicker wetsuit. I will be sure to check out your store. Thanks for all the tips and I love you CZcams channel. I sail on Lake Ontario in Toronto at Cherry Beach and in Prince Edward county by Amherst Island.
Ì've windsurfed on Long Island for 39 winters and counting. Have found the essential gear for cold weather (36 degrees Fahrenheit and below) is a dry suit, Sorry Nico, wet suits just don't make the grade. As for gloves, my go to when the open palm Dakine mits get too frozen are Wessex latex dry mits. Durable latex which pulls over the wrist of the suit. Wool gloves underneath. Keeping hands dry makes a huge difference. As in skiing, try flinging your back hand to centrifuge the blood into your fingers. Shred till yer dead! Marty Randall
Great advice. Go with a friend, - an enemy is never a good idea. I find my hands go numb, and then I go through agony as they come back to life. But once they've done that they stay warm (ish). However I did get frostbite once, and my hands were numb for a week, so maybe Nico's open palm gloves are worth a shot.
Cold hands? Not anymore! I use nitrile gloves (for better grip make sure the palm is structured) as layer one. Together with open palm mittens it gives you a very good grip, dry hands and no cramping arms. I have seen a bloke from North America doing this. Downside: nitrile gloves are disposable. Not very "green". I manage to use the same pair up to 3 times. They should have a tight fit.
You left out the most obvious solution, head to Tenerife when it gets cold at home 😂. When it comes to cold I'm a wimp, needing a combined air & water temperature of at least 44 before going out.
good morning interesting video too bad there is no French subtitles I sail in France Gironde, it is true that it is complicated to find a solution for the hands without having tendinitis, so I never go out below 9 degrees
Great info , thanks for sharing, but I have to say I think this info is for experience riders, and not someone like me that’s spent 80% of the time in the water. 👍
I've found that when windsurf foiling i don't stay as warm compared to windsurfing, maybe because of moving around a lot less and using less muscle exertion . Instead of upgrading to an expensive hooded 6mm wetsuit i bought an O'Neill Men's Thermo-X Hooded Vest top to go over a regular long sleeve rash vest with a 5/3 wetsuit. The Forward WIP impact vest probably helps quite a bit too keeping cold wind out. This works fine above 5 Celsius air temp ( 6C water temp) for 3 hour session. I wear 7mm Ripcurl full mittens and have no problem with sore arms. I also wear 8mm Xcel wetsuit boots on coldest days. This combination is good for 3 hours. P.S i read recently about Swimming Induced Pulmonary Edema which is when being immersed in too cold water can cause water in your blood to be forced into your lungs causing drowning even though you didn't swallow water. Seems to be a small percentage of unlucky people who get it. See wikipedia or other sources; "Swimming induced pulmonary edema (SIPE), also known as immersion pulmonary edema." Might be safer just to go for a walk or something below 4 Celsius.
Nothing about peeing in the wetsuit? Another solution is to pour hot water into your wetsuit before entering the water. Personally, I like to keep a 3-liter can of hot water in an insulated bag for when I get out of the water.
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I have done a lot of windsurfing and snorkeling in Denmark in winter in around zero degrees. Keeping the body warm is not a problem (I have been IN the water for hours in a +7 mm divesuit - no problem :-).
I actually dress overly warm when I windsurf - like 7 mm on the body and 5 mm boots (you actually get used to it). This helps to transport body heat to the hands. I have gotten used to the open mittens and rubber gloves, and I always bring an insulated cooler box with 5 litres of warm water to the spot. I dip my boots and gloves in the warm water before wearing them, so my feet and hands are over heated when going out (really nice), and if I have a break I warm up my hands another time.
It's all about 'start warm and stay warm'.
And then I stay away from the extreme conditions like small boards in heavy winds from shitty directions. This is a summer activity, where the risk of dying out there is less 🙂...
All the best
Per - Denmark
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Hands are the issue. I take a water cooler filled with warm water (a round insulated container with a large lid you bring to a camp site). After the first 30 minutes on the water I come back to shore and will warm up my hands in the warm water. By that time my body had a chance to adjust, warm up with the sailing and get the blood flow back to arms and legs. Even with open-palm mitts, then my hands stay warm as long as don’t plunge them too long in my spot freezing water! Great vid, Nico. Great info on products too.
In the winter I usually sail with a drysuit instead of a thick wetsuit. Something to consider.
Reusable heatpacks (small size for gloves) on top of my hands in open palm mittens: toasty warm hands for about 45 minutes! I bring two sets for a two hour session, the only trick that worked for me.
I went out this morning in 4deg air temp, about 2-3deg water temp. I have 7mm boots, they're even better in terms of feel than the 3 or 5mm I had before so I think brand and model differs a lot. I really really prefer bare feet, so much so that I surf barefoot as soon and as long as I can at Kabbelaarsbank which is notorious for shells and oysters. I get into the water using flipflops which I put into the mastsleeve when I get onto the board.
I have a really good fitting 5/4 NP wetsuit. I really hate the hooded ones, but as soon as NP sells a 6mm non-hooded frontzip I'll get it. On the topic of frontzip, I hate backzips, water always get onto my back and especially cold water is really nasty.
I wear really thin garden gloves, sometimes with normal open tip sailing/surfing gloves over them. But I still get forearm cramps, not as much as with preshaped neopreens but still. I can maybe do a 45-60min session then I'm done and wasted.
When the wind is really cold (north or east) I might wear a 1mm vest under my wetsuit. I also have a neopreen sweater to go over my wetsuit, but I haven't used it on the water yet, I really only use it to stay warm on the waterside.
I can change inside my car, and the car can be heated when not moving (I drive electric) so I can get into my gear in a warm enviroment and get out inside a warm car.
Sunshine can make a lot of difference in relation to windchill, I have not had any windchill problems when the sun is out even if the temperature is near freezing. But when the sun is blocked, windchill is a given.
Last remark, like Nico said, hands are the biggest problem. Swinging your arm helps getting the blood flow back to your hands and fingertips. I've learned to do this in the 80's while skiing, and it works on the water as well. Be aware though, when your hands get below a certain temperature and the bloods starts to flow back into them, it is going to tingle and then hurt like hell. Other than pooring warm water over them to mitage the sensation a little, the pain is going to last a few minutes. Bite through it, there is no other way.
I also surf at kabbelaarsbank:p As beginner, I never went out mid winter. Have you ever gotten any trouble with not getting back up after falling due to “too cold muscles” or is it safe (for me me who still falls alot)
Antwoord kan ook in Nederlands hoor:)
@@evb- Ik val ook nog best vaak, ik ben misschien een gevorderde maar zeker geen expert (ik surf als herintreder nu weer zo'n 3-4 jaar, ongeveer 140 sessies per jaar). Soms is het zelfs zo dat het in het water aangenamer is dan op het board omdat je in het water geen last hebt van windchill. Je pak moet wel echt goed zitten en het is niet zo dat je het uren uit zou houden in het water.
Ik heb nog nooit het gevoel gehad ik kom niet meer terug omdat mn spieren te verkrampt zijn. Hooguit enorm veel pijn aan de vingers op het moment dat het bloed dus weer terugstroomt naar je vingers.
Het is ook weer niet zo dat ik het hele grevelingenmeer oversteek, in de kom (dus wel buiten het beginnerspoeltje) en net daarbuiten vind ik prima in de winter. Misschien iets verder als er genoeg mensen op het water zijn.
Ik merk ook wel dat ik vanaf een temperatuur vanaf 10 graden (zowel lucht als water) het rustig 2 tot 3 uur vol hou, maar onder de 10 graden en zeker richting het vriespunt is het na 60min echt wel klaar wat mij betreft.
@@evb- If you'd like we could meet.
@@mjdejong bedankt, en lijkt me leuk om samen eens te surfen eventueel aangezien ik niet veel andere surfers ken. Gebruik je whatsapp?
@@evb- tuurlijk maar mn nr zet ik liever niet in een yt comment. mail mij anders?
Great video idea!!
Right? 😂
Good to hear what work for you and others. Here in Denmark cold is also a problem. My only problem is cold hands. I use open gloves, but can only have them covering my thumb. I need to have my fingers free. What works for me is to go out for 15 minutes until I can't feel my fingers anymore. Then I go up and as soon I get up the heat comes back in my hands. It's really painful when the heat comes back and I could almost cry🤣 After 5 minutes like that, my hands starts to burn and I go out again for hours without getting cold again.
I have noticed that my impactvest helps a lot keeping my upper body warm
Thank you for your videos. I am always looking forward to your next video 🤙
Thank you boss. I remembered when I started the windsurfing. It was pandemic period and I was alone. I think I'm very luck for I didnt live any problem. 👌⛵️🙏
If there are long lulls or any risk that the wind will die it is nice to make sure the board is big enough to uphaul the sail. A bit stressfull staying too long in cold water waiting for enough wind to waterstart.
Great video as always Nico👍 I’m windsurf in Norway through the winter. If open palms gets too cold I use “strong” Nitrile gloves, that really works and gives excellent friction to the boom. Rubber or latex gloves are not suitable and gives very low friction. Try Nitril next time👍
What brand of Nitrile gloves do you use ?
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From lots of cold water experience, 5C is the low limit for both comfort and safety. Below that temperature it's just impractical to windsurf comfortably and if the water is correspondingly cold you can get in serious trouble very quickly - no matter what wetsuit you wear.
Kitesurfing you can go a couple of degrees lower with comfort (smaller bars) but the safety issue remains.
Hello. My tip is use a boom with a smaller diameter. From 32 to 29 and then use the globes. Then you get less pain in your arms. Last week I needed 2.05m and used the 170-230 instead off the 190-240 boom. Mauisails 170-230 with wide end and 29mm . I never use gloves because of kramps. Hang Loose
Some good advice in this one! I like the tip about dressing overly warm on the way to the launch. I also turn the heat way up in the car so that by the time I get there it actually feels good to step out into the cold.
Open palms are the best of the best for 6-7-8 degrees , and above that i just put them but just over the hands without fingers inside.
I would add invest in after the session. Bring an extra towel, thermos and buy a robe poncho. Because when you are tired from sending it all day it gets cold so much faster and the gear still needs to be packed.
I surf around the year in Denmark, and agree 100% about the open palm. Even bought a lobster pair and cut out the palm, work perfectly. I generally use a 4/3 wet suit but with another layer inside. The inside shirt used in the winter has a built in hood and long sleeves. I also have a real neopren hoodie, but it add a lot of weight, but is very nice in between sessions and before/after. My favourite winter spot is Lynæs in Denmark, laaaaarge area where you can walk in, if someting happens.
I found not all rubber dishwashing gloves to be good. You want the cheapest rubber gloves as they are the thinnest, I also have cramps with the softer more expensive ones. Unfortunately the cheapest rarely last more than 1 or 2 sessions, but they are pretty comfortable. Another trick I use is fill one or two 5L bottles with very hot water, then wrap at least 2 towels around it for insulation, it'll be very warm still after half a day and very nice to pour in your wetsuit before and after the session. Also when changing outside in the cold, putting your feet in a small tub with warm water will be so warming that you can almost strip naked outside without getting cold. The position of your car in relation to the wind is also something to consider, so you can change in the windshadow.
Dish gloves under open palm mitts are the best solution I have found. Oversized mitts really help especially if loose around the wrists. Thawing out numb hands after the first reach makes all the difference for the rest of the session, I can't overstate this!
It rarely gets super cold here but I found out on a really cold, windy day, that aluminum booms really wick the heat out of your hands. Carbon seems to do a lot better.
Great video you forgot to mention that winter exirs when you are organized can be better than summer ones(at least in Italy)
Nice video again. I like the safety tips at the end. 👌
When it gets really cold I wear a spray top( dinghy sailing ) even though 5/4 wet suit is brilliant, stop wind it's perfect. As I'm wearing a helmet, I wear a cycling skull cap under, perfect, wet suit socks under booties, palmless mittens brilliant.
My tip is to pour hot water in the boom keeps it warm for a bit to ease you into the cold
Thanks for the video Nico 👌. There is less about gloves and experiences on internet. Most brands who sell them has no information about grip and pay no attention to cramp solutions. The open palm is probable the best one and a bottle warm water.
Canadian cold weather tip =Cooler full of HOT water. During breaks plunk your feet and hands in there, and even put some down your suit.
P.s. secure your cooler so it doesn't TIP over...happened to me , van floor full of water.
Hello, i have a new solution for gloves: The palmless 5 finger glove. You have to make them yourself, right now there is no comercial product, but it´s just very little work. Use 2 or 3mm 5 finger gloves, get a really pointy scissor, like for fingernails. Put gloves on and mark were you will make the cutouts, don´t overdo on size, more can be cut out easily. I put them on palms, lower thumps and lower/middle fingers, similar to where palmless mitten have them. But don´t cut all neoprene out, leave some bridges where fingerjoints are, just 2-3mm wide. You will have one connect bridge from palms to lower finger joints, bridges each finger in middle joints. Upper finger/ thump joints is where cutout finishes, the upper part needs to be unchanged to not have fingers slip out of finger tipps.These bridges will stabilize the glove and of course cut out only the inside part where fingers meet the boom, start small and test if small is enough. Grip is as good as mittens, but gripabillity is so much better when not holding boom during manouveres. Perfect with precurved finger gloves. And they are qiute warm also.
How well does that work?
@@stournie It works as good as open palm mittens, but you grip everything else besides boom so much easier. It´s nearly as not having gloves on, problem is water entrance, as is with open palm mittens. Tried to wear thin rubber gloves above, but didn´t find the xl-size needed to fit the hand + gloves. Perfect solution would be a 5 finger glove with just a textile/latex layer where are opening needed and the rest like 2 to 5mm neoprene, that would be watertight and therefore much warmer. It´s a pitty that no company even thinks about this. Maybe buy myself some liquid latex and a cheap pair of 3mm 5 finger gloves and make it DIY.
Another tip for the open palm mittens: I find most gloves and mittens are too tight at the wrist, stopping blood flow and causing cramped forearms. I made a lenghtwise cut along the bottom of the wrist of about 4 cm with a pair of scissors.. This really helps!
Okay I love living in Australia, could not imagine wearing so much rubber.
Super Sache der Test mit den Handschuhen, ich habe den Dreh' auch noch nicht raus 😀
I think choosing the right boots and gloves also depends on the riding stlye. For slalom you have a lot of lift/power and stand on the edge of the board. So you need more controle = thinner-boots and gloves.
For wave or freeride boards with footstraps more in the middle and smaller sails you can go thicker, because you dont need that much power in forarm and feet.
Also i believe wearing a simple 20€ rainjacket above the neo helps a lot, no matter how warm you neo is. The jacket helps much better against loosing temperature through the wind. For me it changed at 5°C from beeing fine with only the wetsuit to sweating in it. In this moment the body has more energy for the feet and hand, so also them get warmer.
Shoutout to Matze Bade. Winterking!
Good video and tips. It's important to have good grip in cold conditions. If you notice your grip weakening it could be a sign of cold exhaustion where the body is shutting off circulation too your hands. Time to head back.
kokatat drysuit. No changing at the beach. What I wear windsurfing is what I wear driving to and from beach. and the most flexible suit I have ever worn WS. feels like I am not wearing a suit at all.
I've considered inventing 'electro booms'; heating element wire wrapped around hand area of booms, battery inside boom, a couple of wires and a variable output switch. Never gotten around to it but I can imagine the steam rising off of a hot boom.
Good one, Nico!
After first feeling of cold fingers, go out and imitate throwing stone to ground. It pushes the blood back to fingers. It takes about 5 min of this. If you do it with too cold fingers, it hurts like hell. But once it's done, your hands are warm for the rest of the day
Peeter, I refuse to go out on water like Jüri and Ivo during these months. I remain to play on ice and snow until March. But I do totally agree with your remarks. See you soon!
@@fonsvandenhove I understand. But I think in time we can turn you into Viking like Juri. 🤙
You can also have your arms straight down, angle your hands out, and shrug your shoulders up and down. This will make the blood rush to your hands.
If your fingers starting to hurt, because of the warm blood streaming back in the cold fingertips, dip your hands sometimes shortly back in the cold water. That could help to get the time of hurt a little shorter..... ;-)
I believe the problem with the forearms is not due the glove thickness, but the hands tend to slip in the glove (the glove grip quite well on the boom, but the hands slip on the gloves).
For me, this problem happens on all type of gloves.
Really great advice! The most uncomfortable thing in winter is to keep the finger temperature. I use open gloves, only the thumb and index finger are kept in the glove, and I take a rest in 15-20 minutes to ease the temperature of the fingers. I will try the method you mentioned next time.
Great video. This is my first season where I windsurfed in November. The last day I went the water was about 8C and the air was about 5C. Interesting comments on the gloves. For me I bought a 5MM gloves that are watertight and they kept me warm. I have a RipCurl 4/3 Dawn Patrol and wear a diving liner under it and it worked well. I want to venture out maybe in March but will need a vest or thicker wetsuit. I will be sure to check out your store. Thanks for all the tips and I love you CZcams channel. I sail on Lake Ontario in Toronto at Cherry Beach and in Prince Edward county by Amherst Island.
Great tips and nice action clips. Looks cold there.
Thin wool gloves+yellow rubber gloves. And duct tape around wrists.
Ì've windsurfed on Long Island for 39 winters and counting. Have found the essential gear for cold weather (36 degrees Fahrenheit and below) is a dry suit, Sorry Nico, wet suits just don't make the grade. As for gloves, my go to when the open palm Dakine mits get too frozen are Wessex latex dry mits. Durable latex which pulls over the wrist of the suit. Wool gloves underneath. Keeping hands dry makes a huge difference. As in skiing, try flinging your back hand to centrifuge the blood into your fingers. Shred till yer dead! Marty Randall
Great advice. Go with a friend, - an enemy is never a good idea. I find my hands go numb, and then I go through agony as they come back to life. But once they've done that they stay warm (ish).
However I did get frostbite once, and my hands were numb for a week, so maybe Nico's open palm gloves are worth a shot.
I use a freedive 5mm opencell neoprene here in the alps the Hoody ist includet and a must .. i never get cold even in - degrees
Cold hands? Not anymore! I use nitrile gloves (for better grip make sure the palm is structured) as layer one. Together with open palm mittens it gives you a very good grip, dry hands and no cramping arms. I have seen a bloke from North America doing this. Downside: nitrile gloves are disposable. Not very "green". I manage to use the same pair up to 3 times. They should have a tight fit.
You left out the most obvious solution, head to Tenerife when it gets cold at home 😂. When it comes to cold I'm a wimp, needing a combined air & water temperature of at least 44 before going out.
Really nice video to get a good overview at the different ideas and possibilities to stay warm :)
Lovely video Nico thanks for these tips 🤙
Love the video👍👍👍
Nico Prien talks neoprene 🤣 check it!
Termolution. Heat vest Is wat you need it is a battery heated. Water proof likra. For onder de neopreen
Thank you for video!
In winter, my buoyant jacket gives me confidence and warmth. Like a happy marriage.
Nice job, very well explained!
Thanks for the good tips!
always amazing your videos, mate keep go this way💪
Wax for surfboards on the contact surface / grip of closed gloves is great . Don't have to grip as hard and
Saves your underarms a lot
That's an interesting one. But don't you get the wax all over your boom? Sounds like a mess...
tutorial video and gears review are the way to go to have interesting vdo! thk
Rain mittens over the neoprene palmless neoprene mitts is the most optimal experience I've had.
O"Neill psycho tech best wetsuit.
2 min high intensity exercises before going in, to get the blood going
Oh I would like to go out on the water but I live in the high alps and our home lake is frozen😂☹️
Winter ice surfing. Just search WISSA 2016 in CZcams.
kudos for giving credits to your parents, that they support you. Not a lot of youtuber-surfers are doing that :)
Whow, you are really strong. I live in italy and I dont go in water under 15 degreas.🤤🤤🤤
Every time I see a pier in Nico's videos I wait for him to gybe underneath in the next shot :D
Haha!
Great video as always! Don’t like the idea of putting the wetsuit at home, gets interesting if you need to use the Loo… 😅
If it's really cold, you might find it quite enjoyable to just pee in your wetsuit.......not that I would know.......
@@mthelm85 …there are two kind of people, those who pee and those who lie :)
good morning
interesting video too bad there is no French subtitles
I sail in France Gironde, it is true that it is complicated to find a solution for the hands without having tendinitis, so I never go out below 9 degrees
Very cool! Do you maybe know the name of the music which starts at 6:23?
The name of the song is: Cosmonkey - MOLECULAR ... if anybody is interested. Thank you Nico and Lars.
Great info , thanks for sharing, but I have to say I think this info is for experience riders, and not someone like me that’s spent 80% of the time in the water. 👍
Cool
Ik like to surf, but when wintewr kicks in i just lose interest haha. Just too frkn cold 🤣
What mast you use rdm or sdm
Make video rdm vs sdm mast
Tips! Heatpads in the gloves.
I've found that when windsurf foiling i don't stay as warm compared to windsurfing, maybe because of moving around a lot less and using less muscle exertion . Instead of upgrading to an expensive hooded 6mm wetsuit i bought an O'Neill Men's Thermo-X Hooded Vest top to go over a regular long sleeve rash vest with a 5/3 wetsuit. The Forward WIP impact vest probably helps quite a bit too keeping cold wind out. This works fine above 5 Celsius air temp ( 6C water temp) for 3 hour session. I wear 7mm Ripcurl full mittens and have no problem with sore arms. I also wear 8mm Xcel wetsuit boots on coldest days. This combination is good for 3 hours.
P.S i read recently about Swimming Induced Pulmonary Edema which is when being immersed in too cold water can cause water in your blood to be forced into your lungs causing drowning even though you didn't swallow water. Seems to be a small percentage of unlucky people who get it. See wikipedia or other sources; "Swimming induced pulmonary edema (SIPE), also known as immersion pulmonary edema." Might be safer just to go for a walk or something below 4 Celsius.
i find gloves really hurt my hand arm muscles just so painful.. rather no gloves and the freeze zone
Is there a hood solution that allows helmet also?
With the thin one, yes. The thick one will require a much bigger helmet.
You can put a sandwish bag around your feet and then in your boots that will help a lot aswell.
Still a great video Nico keep up with the great work!
That's a funny and perhaps good one?
With split tooth on Ion also? 😁
@@windsurferMARC hahaha
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Ich halte die Spülihandschuh -Lösung für ziemlich gut.Sie sollten aber auch nicht zu groß sein .Sonst wirds zu rutschig.
I have searched everywhere but could not find the lobster Open Palm gloves, where can I get These?
surf-center.com/en/search/open%20palm#sqr:(q[open%20palm])
@@Nico_GER7 thanks but these are not the ones you have at 4:49, the ones with the split finger
The ones I have don't exist. I cut the hole myself 😄
1. Tip: Dont surfing in frozen water 😂
2. Tip, survive 😄
Perfect solution is stay on land and go running instead of windsurfing ;).
Tried all sort of gloves and get cramp after a couple of minutes regardless...:(
Nothing about peeing in the wetsuit?
Another solution is to pour hot water into your wetsuit before entering the water.
Personally, I like to keep a 3-liter can of hot water in an insulated bag for when I get out of the water.
a great tip for warm feet is to wear plastic bags under the boots
I went out with a 4.3mm, shoes ,hood and gloves here in Kiel
Quite cold but for 30 minutes it was ok
Then my father said I have to come out😂