Boogie Cousins & Rajon Rondo have an honest conversation about Rudy Gobert's defense | BULLY BALL
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- On the latest episode of BULL BALL with Rachel Nichols and DeMarcus Cousins, Rajon Rondo and Boogie share the truth about Rudy Gobert's playoff shortcomings.
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Can y'all just let Boogie talk. I want to listen to him and Rondo the most, no offence.
RUDY GOBERT : FINAL CONFERENCE.
RUDY GOBERT : DEFENSIVE LIABILITY
Gobert led his team in on/off net rating during the conference finals and it wasnt even close. The TImberwolves got destroyed in the minutes Gobert was on the bench. Please stop all this jealous hating and bring some numbers.
Youre brain dead @@maartenvz
No shade to JJ Reddick but Rondo should be the coach of the Lakers or a coach in da league. I believe it was him (Rondo) with LeBron that got that 🏆 championship in da bubble.
True but that's the exact reason why LA brass won't hire him they want a JJ type they didn't even give rondo a serious contract offer after that ring
This whole regime has been trash started when they pushed Magic out for pelinka when Magic recruited Lebron there
da is not a word.
He’s a Celtics 😂
True rondo is hall fame and better player
Boogie has a way with his timing where he calls things out before they happen instead of the normal talking heads the day after.
Wat are you talking about gobert already won the award.
Aged like fine wine
Boogie is right I never seen Gobert defense change a series
Oh I’ve seen it change a series, just not for his team.
He changed the Clippers series by not being able to defend the 3
Set the tempo for the suns series
@@dominictrento8770 🤣🤣🤣
@@dominictrento8770😂😂
When Gobert won the award, I said that they gave it to him and people came at me like I didn't know what I was talking about. Thanks Jokic for making my point for me.
? 😂
@@malnorfleet4925 What's not to understand? unless reading comprehension isn't your strong suit 😂
Smart and don't let anyone to say different
@@malnorfleet4925bro just yapped 😂
bro who the fuck even are you 😂😂
Sooo biaised! Crazy to say Gobert has no defensive presence!
Right because it's easier to claim he did than to show us where he did lol
He doesn't rondo is absolutely right 👍🏽🤨
@@myleekb look at defensive stats with and without him on the floor. A single action is not reprensentative of a defensive presence.
@@DontressSmith based on what you've heard people said I guess.
@@ndjotamounguenguendjota2488 Tell me who was Gobert affecting on the court the last series against Denver.
If you're defense doesn't impact winning in the regular season, you can't be the DPotY. Period. Quit saying it's an individual award because it is not that simple. The scoring title is a simple award because it's strictly based on numbers. MVP and DPotY are both awards based off the interpritation of numbers and and other nuances. Just as the MVP can't go to a player where winning hasn't been a factor, same goes where a DPotY needs to prove that that players' defense actually makes an impact. The addition of Gobert gave the Wolves defense a noticable jump. It's more than his individual numbers. It's his leadership on that side of the ball. It's his presence in the paint that allows McDanials, Ant, NAW, Conley and even Reid and Kat to go ham on that side of the court. It's those factors that made Rudy the best defender in the league this year. I fully expect Wemby to fully eclipse his his French predecessor, but it hasn't happened yet. And on top of it all, recent history proves these two fellers wrong. Gobert did impact this series vs the Nuggets, and while he did get cooked by an all time great, just like all the notable DPotY of the past were prone to be, there were at least 4 games in this series where Gobert helped the wolves take the edge and come out victorious. It's true that the wolves needed all 21 feet of their big men to win this game, but it's also true that Gobert, by the mouth of the team and the coach, was the one who brought the defense first culture to this franchise. A culture that is their identity as a team, a culture that defeated the defending champs.
This aged well
Aged like wine now about to be swept
It did 😂😂
Rudy Gobert had a +25 net rating on/off in the conference finals, easily leading his team. The Timberwolves got destroyed on the minutes Gobert was on the bench. It's sad to me how few people look at these numbers.
@@maartenvz that’s all you guys have is numbers…where are the plays and the impact when it matters? Dallas had a field day in the paint in this series 60+ in the first two games as well.
@@lorddj9910facts. That’s all this data driven biased new generation has to bring to the debate. Real fans that know ball go by the eye test and can see Rudy isn’t a true difference maker like how Ben Wallace, Rodman or Hakeem were.
Rachel trying to defend her vote😂😂😂
That sht was laughable.. And she was throwing stats like how the Wolves were #1 team defense but is not a team award. Is the best defense player, not the best team defense. And this is exactly what happens when you pick team defense over player when the award is “ Defense Player of the Year”
Just shows you how these awards truly mean Jack shit. Once you see who the voters are then everything just makes sense
She was lame for that vote indeed
& they keep telling her she wrong 😂
@@aname5669 No it doesn't, the only thing this video proves is that Rachel is clearly embarassed by the hate of Boogie and Rondo and is trying to please them. It was clear this season Minnesota had the best defence and Gobert had the biggest impact on that. We see biased jealousy by 2 players who don't bring any stats to defend their ridiculous claims.
Shout out to ticket tv on CZcams for talking about this
@KMM5821 stop it. Ticket a cornball.
You can both shut your mouth now because the Wolves just beat the Nuggets and Gobert was a big part on both side of the court, and Boogie is just bitter because he wish he had Gobert's career
Boogie was wayyyy Better than Rudy. Only thing Rudy got is dyops
They beat the nuggets by 30 without Gobert lol
You’re trolling
@@Thanosdidtherighthing Lakers beat the fully healthy Celtics without Lebron and AD, so Lakers are a superteam?
@@teeenglish8637 Rudy has been a rebound leader, a block leader with more defensive first teams and has more all NBA teams the DeMarcus cousins which gives Rudy a better chance to be in the hall of Fame. Rudy also has more postseason success & is about to have a longer NBA career than Cousins.
perhaps boogie and rondo genuinely believe gobert is overrated... but you can just tell by how intensely they discredit his defensive ability without acknowledging the impact he undeniably has on the defensive end that there is personal animosity towards him. their opinion seems to go way beyond objective argument at this point. hard to take their opinion too seriously here
Bro do you have a set of eyes ? Anyone who UNDERSTANDS the game can see it clearly.
You’re tripping
@@UnderGroundSkoopTV you're wrong. Watch what JJ Redick and Joel Ingles has to say about Gobert's defense.
Why would they have animosity toward him .they have no history
@@jzajzzyou don’t know that
I believe there should be more team awards seeing as its a team sport.
Talk about it 👏🏼
Lowkey Gobert became a real two way late in game 7 against the nuggets🤣🤣🤣 he turned up on both ends right before he fouled out. Easy to say Rudy went out with a BANG ‼️ in that game 7
Rudy is in the 2024 WCF.... So.....
Team
@@timbrown9796 Draymond Green is NOT in the 2024 WCF
@@lambdamaxteam
@@lambdamaxstill takes a damn good team bro
@@jakimmixon1461 and the team that Draymond is in did not make it
Man I thought this came out after the Luka game winner
I love Rondo but this did NOT aged well lol Gobert clamped Jokic in the second half of Game 7.
@nbalakersvideos - how you feel now after the mavs series ?
Rondo needs to be a coach. THIS is the guy the Lakers should be trying to hire. Not JJ hot take.
Facts. JJ part of that good-boy club. He makes one good talking point on first take and he’s automatically a candidate smh.
So yall don’t think jj has a high basketball iq??
JJ is going to be fine your underestimating him because of first take
@@kalifharden377 He doesn't rate MJ and thinks Basketball was easier in the 80s and 90s...so no
@@LyfeCreations337lmao right and he threw doc under the bus. The mf who saved his career and got him paid and in the position he’s in now. But we can’t forget who JJ Reddik is. He’s still the same dickhead from Duke lmao
People use the TWolves vs Nuggets series as an indictment against Gobert to say Wemby should’ve won DPOY over Gobert but people don’t give that same energy to Wemby cause Wemby gets cooked by these same centers too.
Embiid scored 70 on Wemby, Jokic had a season high 42 on Wemby and Sengun had a career high 45 on Wemby this year
Good point. Have you ever seen Mcdaniels get cooked?
Because there’s a narrative against Gobert and ppl just don’t like him. They acting like Jokic doesn’t do this to everybody.
EXACTLY
Sengun tore Victor's ass up. I say that as a Spurs fan
@@trellwhitehurst6670 At least someone’s honest
Defense is not just about blocks and steals, for the sake of god. Is about a guy providing rim protection, helping P&Rs, defending cuts and so on. Rudy is one of the reasons Wolves is one of the best defense system is rhe league.
Shitt McDaniels a better damn defender than him and he gets less blocks, it's about the presence and he does not have that in full effect he doesn't change the opposing team offense that's who should get it,
@@ChaceGuillory Gobert led the Timberwolves in net rating on/off, even in the conference finals (+25!!). The TImberwolves got destroyed in the minutes Gobert was on the bench.
THank you good sir! So few people seem to understand this and the Boogie remark that there are no facts are hilarious, Gobert leads the Timberwolves in net rating. What fact did Boogie bring?
FACTS BOOGIE AND RONDO
💯💯💯
They need to stop letting the media vote. Most know the game as a fan. Let the former players vote.
Nah. If they let players vote Jokic won't have any MVP. lol. The media gets it right most of the time. Wemby should have won it. But Rudy has a strong case. Who doesn't Jokic cook?
@@moneyball647 Wemby lol
@@Flower-o7 he gave Wemby 47
@@Sparkyxicy wemby gave him 7 blocks
@@Flower-o7 How many of them were on Wemby?
aged like MILK
How is that aged like milk. Them winning doesn't take the point. They were destroyed in the paint last night. No defense presence. His own team team has to take him off joke. He is overrated
@@donaldedwards3997lol aged like wine, 62 points in the paint for the mavs last night. 😂
F in chat for Rudy gosh
@@shaq132 it was like that for Denver too. Open season on this dude gobert lol but these dudes want us to believe he's such a rim protector. Never seen teams feel so comfortable to attack the rim against a guy people want us to believe is a great defender
@@myleekb man kyrie and luka were killing that damn drop Rudy was in 😂
She made a mistake not voting for Wemby. And she keeps saying Hakeem when she should be saying Mutombo who also won 4 DPOY, along with Ben Wallace.
because she doesn't know anything but yet has a vote
How about Bam?
She robbed Wemby from history. He should've been the 1st rookie to win DPOY.
@@Killsquad2not just her, a lot of writers. Is DPOY not DTOY.
Idk why she keeps saying that hakeem shit. She said it again on undisputed
We literally just watched it last series .
Game 6: Wolves 115 x 70 Nuggets. You are just a clone, Boogie Cousin.
FACTSSS man Jokic is taking practice shots vs Gobert getting to whatever spot he wants to with no resistance what so ever from a 7 footer at that .
7 foot 2 tbe
Denver scored 70 Points in Game 6 but i bet WE dont hear praise for Gobert, wake up
@@ionel630 the team defense was the deciding factor
@@SSJRome yeah of course 😂 and in Game 5 gobert get the blame, and the Team defens was great 😂😂😂😂
@@ionel630 just stop it bruh if you can win 4 DPOY awards then you can most certainly take on some of the criticism if your matchup lights you up for 40
Bro, give him some credit for his team to be the best defensive team.
Why do we keep awarding a regular season performance with a regular season award? Yeah, that's a real headscratcher Damarcus.
AD and Wemby were by far the best defensive players this regular season.
Gobum ain't even the best defender in his team
Bam Adebayo
No IT was my mom
Definitely especially AD cause nobody else on his team plays D
Lol no defensive presence but. Guards pull the ball out when they see him .and hes first in defensive win shares lol
The first 2 games they were giving Rudy his flowers and not wanting him to miss a game for his newborn, now they bashing him. At least he still in the NBA. These guys couldn't even retire on their own terms. They were effectively removed from the league. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The topic of conversation is different and two things can be true at once. A 2 time champion and a star player don’t know what they’re talking about ? You must think highly of guys like Skip and Stephen A cause it seems real takes aren’t you cup of tea.
@@celticsalltheway Rondo was brilliant at times, but also a liability at times. He had the benefit of playing with 6 HOF for his 2 Championships. It's not like he was the bus driver.
@@celticsallthewaykeep preaching
First 2 games??? Rudy didn’t play in the 2nd game bro. Remember, the game the wolves shut down the nuggets! Minnesota is actually 1-3 with Rudy on the floor and his all time defense.
Karl Anthony towns and Naz Reid actually played Joker better. These guys Kno more Nba bball then we all know combined. Rondo is one of the highest IQ guys basketball ball wise and Boogie is a former all star and has played with joker. I trust in them more than anyone if these other jokers.
Where is this talk today
Absolutely agree with Rondo he doesn't have a defensive presence Dpoy yeahhhh okkkk 🤦🏽
jokic is one player. over the course of 82 games rudy was keeping his teams defense at #1.
I am happy to see Cousins
Where’s the footage of boogie saying he was wrong about jokic greatness?
That Boogie + AD + Rondo New Orleans 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
AD should've been a finalist for sure. He stepped up big time this season for us. These awards are trash and need to be re-evaluated by the league.
3:45 TALK YO SHIT DBOUG 😂
Anthony Davis and Wemby were easily better candidates
Naw he destroyed davis 😂stop ig right now.. ad is better as help defender against joker
@@king23166 Wemby and AD were the best defenders against Jokic this season statistically. Wemby #1, AD #2.
But they ain’t got the team record 😢
@@king23166 don't drink or smoke before you comment. You sound silly. AD and Wemby were the best defenders I saw whole season.
Jokic torched AD & Wenby all year
Y'all think these players are haters but they know the politics of the NBA that the average fan has no idea about but they're still at least gonna give you what the players are really thinking and that's what's so dope about these new players run podcasts ✊🏾
Funny how most former players say wemby should’ve won it lol
Thats says nothing, shaq thinks jokic doesnt deserve the MVP award, Former Player ist meaningless lol
@@ionel630former player input isn’t infallible but it damn sure isn’t meaningless. They usually have better takes than the media
@@ionel630he just said SGA deserves it more for this year. Ya acting like he called Jokic a bum.
hard to ask fans to understand team defense when so many players act like they don't understand team defense. y'all are around my age, you literally watched dikembe mutombo get annihilated by shaq, but ppl weren't saying he wasn't a good defender, they just acknowledged that shaq was great. now, ppl acting like if you aren't a 1v1 lockdown guy, you can't be a great defender lmao. we watched jordan get cooked by magic (so they put scottie on him), but none of us would say mj wasn't a great defender. the best offensive players can cook any defender if they get to face them 1v1. jokic done tortured anthony davis too, but i know y'all wouldn't say he's not a great defender. cooked edrice adebayo too. jokic is just a great player
Wouldn’t it just be because in today’s era we have great rim protectors who also can play great defense from outside the paint?
i.e. AD & Wemby offer the same rim protection but can guard perimeter, P&R, switches, etc etc. Gobert is just elite at defensive around the rim, and even then even some Wolves fans question his effort when sometimes he just chooses not to jump or contest some layups from time to time.
Perimeter defenders do way more than Centers. They have way more responsibility.
I didn’t know DPOY was awarded to the best help defender of the year!!
When I say it’s wemby ppl only bring up team defence. Ant,McDaniels,naz reid and even sometimes kat can lock up.
@@yahiaali4059acting like wemby would do anything against jokic 😂
@@abdullahiali2446 never said he would but even nba players know gobert liability in the playoffs go ask dudes who played against him
@@abdullahiali2446 bruh when Spurs vs nuggets during the regular season, wemby is long enough to alter jokic hook, and he even got a block on that right hook. Plus wemby can guard better outside of the paint.
2:00 this is why these bias ass reporters shouldn’t have votes
Watch how many guards and forwards dribble through under the hoop or shoot dumb floaters and pull ups to avoid Rudy. I’m not a huge Rudy guy but to say he doesn’t change the approach is just saying you’re not watching the games.
Facts
1:38 this is like the 5th time I’ve heard players mention that the wing defenders make Gobert look better
The wing defenders look good because they know they can take a chance and Rudy is in there. It goes both ways
@@MG-yj6loi dont think goebert is a good defensive player in the playoffs cuz everybody has a big. Regular season not every team does. So he can win dpoy cuz the playoffs don’t really count
Jokic is doing this to ANYONE, It isn’t his series sure but this is just hating lmfao like did we not just see the suns series? Rudy was huge there. NBA pundits all just prisoners of the moment
i get what they're saying, but they're comparing his regular season/playoff performance for an award that is based off the regular season. what you do in the playoffs has no bearing on a regular season award, they're two entirely different seasons for a reason. embiid won mvp last year based off his body of work in the regular season, even though he averaged 10 less ppg in the post season and disappeared. with that thinking, do we now have to discredit other award winners? just doesn't make sense to conflate the two seasons.
i think rudy is a great great defender and deserved all dpoy awards, but he can also be countered easily. especially playoffs where all things is magnified. because he has strength and weakness defensively. and with how much offensive talent we have in NBA its easily countered if youre not a versatile defender like AD or Giannis that you can move your feet. but he has strenght for sure and deserve the awards
GOOD VIDEO MY GUY
Let DPOY remain a regular season award. The problem is not when the award is given, it's who is doing the voting.
The players voting on it would be far worse. They're most bias than anyone in the media.
Gobert is currently the best defensive center, but not the best we've ever seen in the league. He probably would crack top 20 defensive centers all time though. Wemby is definitely coming for that thrown next year!!!
No he already got it
RUDY 🖤🖤
DPOY is a regular season award and rudy does help you win regular season games verse mediocre teams and bad teams which will make your over all defensive rating look better and you will have a better over all record that's why I dont pay attention to stats I watch how teams and players play against other great teams and players to rate how good they are
It’s easy when you have McDaniels and Naz Reid and Anthony Edwards playing all the defense and you get to sit back and block shots
in Utah He Had the Same Players? And won three defens Player of the year Awards? Work on your problems😂
@@ionel630Rudy has become the easy scapegoat and a lot of people talking about the wrong aspects. Rudy's issues this series are moreso on the offensive side, where Ant's getting doubles rather than defense.
Scapegoat. Rudy was the Jazz defense and they had 4 bad defenders with Rudy.
Even then wemb double his blocks 😳😳
God forbid you praise the best player on earth lol
Fucking love my boy Rondo, most unselfish player & intelligent dude I’ve ever seen. Gobert is so overrated.
Media shouldn’t be voting ever
Bam and AD are the only bigs who can guard all 5 positions and get shorted every year 🤦🏿♂️
Keep talking bozos. Rudy DPOY. Rudy conference finals.
Boogie playing in Taiwan. LOL.
Why they keep cutting her off lmaoo
RONDOOOOOOO 💨🔥💯🇵🇭
We here for Rondo and Boggie
So with KG winning DPOTY and MVP he should get more props, guy had game and was a dog 100% he doesnt get enough respect and mention from everybody its a shame.
Rondo really has a great basketball mind
Y’all say this aged bad, but I think it still holds true. Rudy stepped up in the 3rs and 4th of g7 by making big energy plays, mostly on the offensive end. Sure he got a couple of blocks that game, but if we talk about the series overall, Rudy couldn’t gaurd jokic, plain and simple. Whenever the nuggets needed a bucket they swung it to jok in the post and he pieced Rudy up with great effiency. Put wemby in Rudy’s position and the wolves would’ve won in 5. Not to mention that Rudy’s soft as hell
NBA is a Global Business, people and players seem to forget that all the time and let their emotions fuel whatever words that come out their mouths, pause. Maybe behind the scenes, Adam targeting some big ballerz from France to invest into the league one way or another, so they have to keep the spotlight on Wemby and Gobert tk make them feel apart of the entire operation too
Ask them why Rudy has the best +/- of any player in the playoffs.
Draymond has been saying this about rudy for awhile now but they called him a hater and bitter towards gobert
I lost out on what would've been $10,000 because they screwed Wemby out of DPOY. I needed that BAD.
All for Rudy to be useless in this series and for the Wolves to play this great tonight while putting someone else on Joker.
The league crooked.
Cousins his last 6 games against Rudy Gobert was shooting below 50% FG
Cousins is three times the player Rudy is
Bruh which Cousins are you talking about.
@@mrking1785 his own cousins
If Rudy Gobert was a U.S player there were so much respect on him. Dikembe Mutombo 4 time DPOY ? yes and he played Shaq in his prime in 2001 final : Shaq's stats ? ... 33pts 16reb 5ast 3.5blocks !!! When you play one of the best player all time in his prime you can't do anything individualy ? Can you understand that. Rondo was one of the most intelligent player in the court but his hate against rudy blind him its just so sad.
Gobert is a help side defender he no guarding nobody straght up..i never seen a helpside defender get that amount of love.
Gobert has 2 dpoy awards that should've been Draymond Green's. It's a travesty that Green only has one dpoy. It was the same back in the day with Scottie Pippen, he should've had one at the very least.
Thats laughable 😂😂😂 you should Go on Stage 😅
Who tf Draymond locking up? 😂 Herb Jones should've won
@@user-ow7qv8nq6therb jones 😂 bro not even batter then Jaden mc 😂
Then game 6 happened.
Anthony davis together with Lequeen were still swept gently by the Joker
What position Rudy playing in football
😂😂
I agree with Cuz! Idk how Rudy keeps getting rewarded
Even though I don’t like Goberts defensive stance. He still has a chance to prove himself.
might be spitting now
Boogie talks a lot for a player who led a bunch of 25 win teams
No love ever shown to Dort or McDaniels and they got clams on the perimeter 🗣️🗣️. Hawks fan here
AD deserved that award,, playing with horrible defenders around him all year and carrying them
Stop..Wemby deserved it
And then losing at 5 against denver 👍
@@DavidJackson-fq9fn By letting Embiid score 70? lmfao
@wirelessbrain12 .... yea cause one game defines someone. Jordan shot 0-14 one game.. guess he was terrible according to you 🙄
@@DavidJackson-fq9fnsengun had a career night against Wemby. Along with other guys. It’s not a one time occasion and doesn’t mean he is bad but he has a target on his back. People has him a players make a point when they play him cause of it
Rondo should be on somebody’s bench assisting
He should. Smart player.
Damn Free rondo
If jj gets a head coach then rondo should easily be getting lakers coach
Defensive player has basically morphed into a position award like mfl mvp. They just give it to center becasue it easy. Not saying he trash. They are right there is no presence. He stops no one.
T wolves gotta start naz that’s their only hope rn
Yup because Gobert is useless rn.
@@rockjm9876543210 that's bs, he had a good game, it's just jokic being jokic and wolves not playing as good as they were before
It's raining and I'm bored... The Timberwolves were the 13th ranked defense in 2022. That defensive style was built around gambling for steals and blocks and got exposed for not being able to rebound in the playoffs against the Grizzlies. 2023, the Wolves trade for Rudy Gobert, but kept a majority of the core defensive players, with the exception of Vando :(. Rudy came into the season pretty banged up from FIBA plus the rest of his teammates needed time to acclimate and understand how to play a completely new defensive style with him as the anchor... Also, had to get rid of D Lo's defense. They still ended up with the 10th rated defense. This season, Rudy and the wolves came into training camp with the mentality that they needed a defensive identity to win, and that's what they did. They had the #1 defense in the league through the whole season and it wasn't even close. It's hard to parachute in and only watch Rudy during national TV games and the playoffs to understand how much positive impact he has... but he has the best plus/minus in THIS years playoffs. Also, he doesn't guard Jokic 1-on-1 because that's not the Wolves defensive strategy, and it shouldn't be. He "guards" Aaron Gordon and lurks just outside the paint so Gordon can't cut in and catch lobs while Jokic get's double teamed. The Wolves have used this strategy for 2 seasons now, and it's by far the most effective strategy that any team in the league has for Jokic. Gordon had 4 points and 4 rebounds in Game 7, and the Wolves beat the defending champions on their home court. Rudy is the defensive player of the year.
Still these guys hating on the Foreign players. Just accept its a regular season award. Thats it. They are not giving him the DPOY for the playoffs
Hating on Foreign players but saying Wemby should’ve won it man STFU.
Rachel has to defend Rudy because when she did that interview way back with jimmy butler when he was with Minnesota and they trashed karl anthony towns the media had to hype Rudy Gobert so he could replace karl Anthony towns as all nba third team that year to legitimize and support Rachel for giving jimmy that platform to trash his own team mate the media been over hyping rudy ever since so thank rachel and jimmy butler
I’ve been thinking they need to bring Gobert off the bench starting now.
I definitely think AD and Wemby possibly deserved it or it at least should have been a lot closer but the amount of disrespect shown towards Gobert by a lot of NBA players is crazy. It reminds me of how people probably thought Jokic was a bad player at first because it's hard to see the intangibles and the real effect he has on the game at first glance.
The T-wolves wouldn't have won without Rudy.