Does Commander Cody Regret Betraying Obi Wan Kenobi
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That face he makes when crosshair calls the jedi traitors indicates to me that he does feel regret over what he did to Obi Wan.
Yes, Cody is probably feeling some regrets.
Crosshair was referring to the Regs as traitors like The Jedi
Kenobi would forgive Cody, I mean he was civil with Maul and Maul literally oozed hatred for Kenobi.
That's true. Kenobi doesn't hold grudges, even against Maul.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 Except for Anakin. He could never never forgive him for skirting his role as the Chosen One.
@@charlesray9674 really? i think he was disappointed/sad(?) in himself by not beeing able to help Anakin staying with the light side/not beeing able to kill him on Mustafar. When Obi talks with Maul he assures him that there is another One, the one who will make things right, the one who will fix their mistakes
@@charlesray9674 I don't believe so. Disappointed with Anakin, yes, but he blames himself for failing his apprentice.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 not after the final episode on the Kenobi series, Anakin even tells him "i'am not your failure, you didn't destroy Anakin i did." Obi-wan then replies "then my friend is truly dead, goodbye Darth."
Cody was a Clone Marshall Commander. This was the highest rank a clone could achieve. He commands way more clones than you think.
Agreed. He and Kenobi led the 7th Sky Corps, which was made up of almost 37k men.
And now he’s gone awol. Which won’t reflect well on them with the other martial policies the empire is working on
Those clone commanders should have become generals once their generals died. I know the GAR had non-clone admirals so I’d assume they also had some non-Jedi generals. They would likely retain their rank, but a unit that used to be led by a Jedi general would need a new general, right?
@@dylanlowers5236 I think they acted as generals temporarily after Order 66, for the remainder of the battle and maybe later until they got an actual one. Surely some clones became generals during the stormtrooper era.
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Which was odd for his character... to defect
Cody's colour change on his armour really represents his situation well. Going from a bright positive yellow to dull despondent gray as he realizes the situation around what the empire is doing to the galaxy.
I think the colour scheme of the clones armors was more a decision of the empire. The Jedi allowed the clones their own personality and the empire just wanted faceless soldiers. That´s why the stormtroopers all wore the white armor. The empire didn´t want it´s soldiers to have their own personality.
I thought the color was orange
Eeyup.
@@mistermadmachine6311 Yellow. A mango yellow.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 Artist here, mango yellow is more like the 327th star corps. Way too light for the 212th.
Even in Revenge of the Sith, the 212th was very clearly orange, and Cody if anything had darker orange armor paint than his infantrymen (save for the 7th Airborne, who were a similar shade of orange to Cody). In TCW, sure the phase 1 clone armor was more yellow than orange, but it was still orange when the clones switched to phase 2 armor. Maybe a mango orange, but definitely not mango yellow.
My gripe with Crosshair taking the shot when Commander Cody hesitated is that, yeah, a good soldier follows orders, but a good soldier follows chain of command. That Imperial governor was definitely outside of his chain of command and had no authority to give him orders. He WANTED to MURDER her (not execute, there is a difference).
for example, when he complies with hunter to stand down on saws onderon groupies
Very true. No way he has the Authority to execute this person.
What's really interesting is cody, up until now, has usually been depicted as loyal to the empire even when reduced to stormtrooper drill sarg. So this is a completely new interpretation of his story as far as I'm aware
It is a new interpretation, but the old interpretation made sense with our original understanding of order 66.
There's a scene (or deleted scene, as far as I know) where he is answering to Emperor Palpatine - and reported that Obi Wan Kenobi was dead after the fall. However, when asked to confirm his death - he claimed that "No one could survive that fall". This parallels Hunter's response to Caleb Dume in The Bad Batch season opener. So, it can be inferred that Cody immediately felt remorse and wanted to wash his hands of what he ordered.
@@ThereMayBeLions the problem is that stops working if you followed non movie media at the time, where cody was hlad he finally got to do it. Originally the clones knew it was going to happen all along, cody having especially hated obi wan.
@@natknutson1482 That was also part of the narrative that the clones served the Empire long into their reign, which they didn't. Even then, you don't see too many mentions of clones in Legends and EU Material for more than 10 years after ROTS.
@@ThereMayBeLions that's why bad batch has been so interesting. We only really had the one interpretation of post empire clones. Even rebels made it clear that rex, wolf, and gregor were exceptions.
I love how shows like the Bad Batch are exploring the consequences and mindset of the clones after order 66. Giving that deeper character development as well as expanding on the relationship they had with their Jedi Generals. Personally, I love this kind of stuff an I hope to see more of it going forward. Not just with clones but other characters as well. Exploring the parts of stories that we haven't got to see on screen only allows for a greater connection to these characters that we already love.
They may show Cody asking for Obi Wan's forgiveness as he makes a heroic sacrifice. I also would like to see Commander Wolf and where he was when Order 66 was given. He worked with Master Plo Kun (don't know if I spelled his name right) who was shot down in his fighter. Did he watch from a distance? We see in Rebels that at first Wolf feared Jedi retribution.
On the other side, I would love to have Cody stay on Tatooine and silently watch over young Luke, especially when Obi-Wan cannot do his duty. I mean, it was REALLY weird for Kenobi to leave his mission to watch Luke. Cody's presence would fill the gap - metaphorically and literally.
Probably. I think someone made a fan comic about Cody finding a distrustful Obi Wan and apologizing to him for what he did. I think it was a ship comic tho I can’t say I remember for sure.
This is Commander Cody we're talking about here so yes, I would definitely say he regrets betraying Kenobi!
Cody is probably my favourite clone: hes the epitome of honour and duty and a truly great commander. Order 66 was a real tragedy for soldiers just like him so its great to revisit him and see what hes up to. I really hope we get more of Cody!
That's how Rex was able to fight it as long as he did. Because he had pre knowledge of it, and when it kicked in he was able to fight it because he knew what was happening. He was able to, for a moment, to resist the chip.
*THE INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS ARE WINNING*
I really hope we get an episode where we get to see some flashbacks of the perspective of Cody during and shortly after order 66 and the rest of the battle on Utapau
Rex and Cody have aspects they learned from their generals.
I don't know what's the greater betrayal: Order 66 or a Star Wars channel having a Star Trek ad
Agreed!
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Definitely caught me by surprise
Order 66. There is synergy in liking both Star Wars and Star Trek, and one of my favourite channels, EC Henry, actually does both Star Wars and Star Trek content.
Excellent review of Cody and his relationship with Obi Wan. I too think it would be a terrible shame and a waste of a great story arc to not address Cody and Obi Wan. By the time of a New Hope, I suspect Cody is dead, or we'd probably see him with Rex's group. I've wondered if Filoni will have a couple of episodes where TBB and Rex meet with Cody and probably remove the chip and then, if there is indeed a second season of Kenobi, it could include Cody going to Tatooine to see the Jedi and maybe make things right. In fact, it could be the entire second season of Kenobi if they did it right (and don't hold your breath for that, after seeing season 1 of Kenobi). Maybe Cody sort-of shadows Kenobi for half the season, sort of a hidden protector of him, and then toward the end of the season, he ends up saving Kenobi from some threat, but is seriously injured and dies with Kenobi there, having made peace with him. It would be a heck of a lot better than that silly waste of time that was the first season of Kenobi, and it would be a noble and fitting end to a truly great Clone. Actually, I wouldn't mind at all if Cody survived like Rex did and worked with the Rebellion, but either way, he deserves a noble story arc.
Its in Obi Wan's nature to forgive. If Vader turned, I could see bro hugs happening. He even comforted Maul as he died for the 18th or so time.
Anakin was the same with Rex. During Umbara, Anakin followed Rex's advice as well as numerous times on the various battlefields of the Clone War.
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9:37 THIS is why Cody and Kenobi are my 2 favorite characters, i relate to this so much, whenever i play an RTS game i always look at my units like real people with real lives, never sending them to their deaths needlessly, each squad, each unit is vital, i'm playing carefully even if takes me several hours longer to finish a battle. Maybe all of this sounds cringe but thats just how i am.
Same dude😂😂
"Yeah, regular folk don't understand. Sometimes in war, it's hard to be the one that survives." -- CC-2224 "Cody"
You're 💯% correct.
6:18 yet again both understood in both situations that losing the commander or general would cause huge problems for the current situation and later on in the war. So it could be seen as a tactical move as well.
4:44 This tactic is actually against international Law, not to mention a bad precedent to set.
One of the key reasons the U. S. Cavalry took no quarter when fighting the Sioux and Cheyanne came because those tribes had a history of not honoring a flag of truce, nor surrender. They had on several occasions flown a white flag, then attacked during the supposed cease fire~ having taken that time to reorganize troops, just as Obiwan did here. So the cavalry no longer trusted nor accepted surrender in battle.
What happens to the next group who try to surrender? The enemy will only see it as a trick.
One thing you didn't mention, but I think is worth bringing up.
The Clones at the beginning of the war have been force-aged (Not _The-Force_ ) so they are physically adult, but they are still only, what? Ten years old??
It is shown that the Kiminoans see them as _a product_ rather than as _fully human_ or _fully sentient beings._
These _Jedi_ were among the _First_ (mostly) _Human Adults_ they had interacted with other than some of them seeing Jango Fett now and again, _(but somehow I don't get the feeling Jango was much for fraternizing with the clones, other than Boba)._
Do you remember the first adult who paid you positive attention you weren't kin to as a young teen?
It was implied back before the TV shows that the Contingency Orders were drilled deep and hard into the clones and those that didn't comply were killed.
I can see pre-inhibitor that most clones would have followed the order by reflex and only those super close to their jedi would hesitate. But remember the clones were bred and trained for obedience and most clones wouldn't have had much contact with the jedi.
Between the Jedi Code demanding a lack of attachment, that the Jedi were so few that some clones probably spent their entire lives never even seeing the face of their Jedi General and that some Jedi used their clones with no more regard to their lives? Yeah, I could see most clones following the orders without issue.
I always saw Cody’s quick and immediate response to Order 66 as an example of just how STRONG the Inhibitor Chips were. If Cody went from 0-60 so quickly then you know it’s big time bad news across the board.
Canon Cody and Legends Cody are two very different clones
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Cody: You have become the very thing you swore to destroy
Crosshair: Don’t lecture me Cody I see through the lies of the Jedi. I have brought peace, justice and security to my new Empire.
Cody: Crosshair my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy!
8:56 Well, we know that when Order 66 dropped, all clones could see what they were doing, but couldn't stop themselves.
12:52 I honestly agree. We need to see them talk. I think that would break me emotionally, but damn would it be nice. I don't think it's likely to happen, but I can hope.
I imagine Ki Adi Mundi's clone troopers just chilling saying how they have wanted to do that for ages jk. Meanwhile Plo Koon's troopers are completely dispondent.
Y’know, I always hated the blur they left us with as to what happened with Cody after ROTS, even though we did get some insight as to where he was in TFU II. I’m just glad the Bad Batch is filling in the blanks.
I’ve said this somewhere else but I’ll say it again. A unforeseen side effect that the Kaminoians didn’t account for, the evaluation of their clones. The inhibitor chips might have worked on most for a time but I think it is whirring off and they are waking up.
In legends, wasn't Cody training stormtroopers under the Empire? I could've sworn there was an entry like that in the SWTFU game
Yea and he was eventually experimented on and augmented to become the first batch of dark troopers
@@ARandomSpecOp You sure that Cody did not died when Starkiller (Clone) has escaped?
@@fa11endawn16 if he did then maybe he was somehow recovered in the wreckage. Either way, our boy went thru some pain :’(
@@ARandomSpecOp Yeah :( Hope that Cody appears at Obi-Wan Season 2...
@@fa11endawn16 either him or a live action Rex on the Ahsoka show. I just wanna see more tem as clones in action
considering that they showed the aftermath of Serenno, I really hope they touch on the subjection of Utapau in Bad Batch
i think the Jerdi generals that basically throw away their clones life were not thinking ahead - to replace each clone takes them NINE years - the droids can be built in the thousands each day - so throwing their lives away is just poor managing of your resources (aside from the lives lost and the cost for training and replacing a soldier)
But as you have pointed out (and the jedi also point out) they are not generals or even battlerfield trained.
I think Palpatine knew, that clones will not be loyal forever after Order 66 and that was one of the reasons behind creating Stormtroopers
I don't really think that the idea of the inhibitor chip 'wearing off" is believable. They have been the the heads of the clones since before they were decanted. Why would they all the sudden start to stop working? I also do not think that the Caminoans would make chips that would just "wear off." They were very precise and proud of their work.
Personally, i do like that they changed his story from Canon where he just accepts his fate and serves in the Empire, even though he does not like it. Yes, its a stark divergence from Legends, but i think from a human standpoint its much more interesting how some more empathetic clones like him deal with the knowledge of Order 66 and how life for them is changing. My personal hope is that maybe they revive the story from legends with Kal Skirata and his haven for clones who defect from the empire.
That Obi-wan warcrime thing was such a bugs bunny move man
Well Captain Rex felt upset about the same situation aswell.
I really like the dichotomy of Cody's character from legends and canon. It really makes his character that much better even if they're technically separate. I REALLY want to know what happens to him after this point. Will he join Rex and the bad batch? Will he be in kenobi S2? Will he join the clone rebellion? Will he pull a Maul and track obi down to beg for forgiveness? There's so many things and I want to know all of them.
"Would it have been too much to ask for the order to have come through before I gave him back the bloody lightsaber . . . ?”
-Commander Cody (Revenge of the Sith Novel)
i know he was meant to originally appear in obi-wan season 1, so i hope he survives long enough through the bad batch to appear in obi-wan season 2 so his story can come full circle
I really want them to talk about the chips more. As far as we’re aware, the only real view we’ve gotten into the chips’ effects post Order 66 was that Commander Grey comic, which is sorta non canon now ever since S1E1 of TBB.
Her Jedi jumping and running abilities must of been on coffee break to just stand there and get shot
I want the actor who plays the clones to show up in kenobi season 2 and its tgere first reunion and he breaks down in tears, kenobi firgives him, then he becomes a supporting charecter in that show
I think that Cody is unfortunately gonna get killed this season
That's what basically happens in the older scrapped Obi-Wan Kenobi script
I wonder what Canon and Legends Cody would say to each other if they met? Legends Cody stayed on to train stormtroopers, even made an entry grumbling about the quality of recruits.
When I was a bit younger and watched Cmmdr Cody obey order 66 I was Horrified It devastated me as a Person who trusted someone
Q: What kind of person does horrible things? A: A Horrible Person. Many a clone, in the present of the Bad Batch, are descending inside that shell of a misleading question and answer to reason out why they turned so readily, so instinctively, so instantly, on the commanders they held in such high regard. It is the driving force behind their more jerky personas. Cody has rejected the answer, but he still has the question, and that will not leave him. Learning of the chip (if he does not already know) would be a relief to him.
Excellent vid. Thank you for this.
I one hundred percent think Cody feels like crap about betraying his friend. Hopefully Rex tells him everything wich I think will kinda ease the pain of guilt.
Listening back to this video made me realize just how important the TK program was. The clones would only work for so long until the clones reject the empire.
4:38 ahhh yes the unorthodox way of winning a battle through war crimes, a jedi special very effective
I don't think he will meet with Captain Rex, particularly because of the PTSD scene with Captain Rex in starwars rebels
I never really got why people always assumed Cody would be loyal to the empire. Like, yes he was a loyal soldier of the republic however he's a loyal soldier with morals. He thinks before he acts, he has compassion and is shown to very much care for obi-wan and his brothers, like in the clones wars tv show as well as the comics. I don't necessarily blame people for interpreting him that way either though when taking into account his apparent fate in legends and the fact that a lot of star wars fans might not have read the comics or watched the animated shows.
Personally, I think this was a perfect route to take his character and whether or not you agree with me, I think we can all just be glad that Cody is finally making a prominent appearance again. Hopefully he gets the canon ending he deserves ❤
Love your stuff!
Again, who else is happy that Codey did not appear in the Rebels series? After all, he was originally going to appear as an antagonist in one episode. But in the final version, he was edited out of the episode completely.
What if Bounty Hunter Durge had a count of midichlorical blood cells one hundred points higher then The Skywalker liner of vessels?
I feel like Cody is going to die, saving rex and the bad batch, while also possibly dealing a heavy blow to the early empire.
I feel this because he's gonna meet up with rex, rex will tell him about the chips and how they're just pawns in palpatines war, and realized he didn't have control when he ordered to shoot kenobi. And since he's not in rebels he's bound to die I think, along with the bad batch.
Cody meant to MISS Obie Wan when he shot at him and his lizzard during Order 66... Clones dont miss like Storm troopers !
In theory the flag of truce is already in the dumpster when the diplomat is under duress.
So for this and only this time i am justifying Obi.
Loving your channel
It's kinda funny how the galaxy far far away doesn't look too dark but then when you take a closer look it's sometimes almost grimdark.
Thanks!
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Cody has been my favorite clone yeah i hope this wasn't his only appearance it seems the Bad Batch is building towards the Clone Rebellion from Legends
great takes
Great video. The BB episode 3 was a cut above. Don't get me wrong - the others are fun star wars content. But EP3 - was a more mature story, where we got to see what made andor so good - characters.
thanks for the video.
That scene was heartbreaking 💔. Order 66 brought rears to my eyes! 😮😢😢
I don’t think Cody can regret doing something he had no choice in. It’s not like the inhibitor chip asked if it would be cool to murder these monks they just did. I believe Cody is simply mournful towards the Jedi and sees himself as outgrowing this new Empire.
It's not like he had a choice in the matter, it's like taking a back seat while someone else commits the act. With the clones slowly coming to realise the order was dishonest.
It's also why the empire wanted them gone is because there's a order to take out the emperor. It's a huge liability when someone can just boardcsst the order to them
There needed to be a “come round full circle” event for the clones. We should have seen them destroy the empire from without. It would have been cathartic.
Oh, I interpreted that episode as crosshair killing Cody off-screen.
Is it just me or was the episode with Cody and crosshairs better than all the episodes with the rest of the bad batch?
No regerts -- Commander Cody
If there is a Obiwan season 2. We need to see them reunite and fight together
Hey man could you do a video on why clone armor painting changed after the empire took over? And also why Cody’s paint is grey now and why he changed the paint scheme of his helmet?
If Cartoon Network’s Clone Wars miniseries taught me anything, it was that Cody was/is a stand up guy!
And that he and Kenobi had had each other’s deep respect!
I was happy to have seen him, and even more happy that he left the Empire.
I don't know the official lore, but it would awesome to include CC to show up on Tatooine and have him be Obi Wan's bodyguard till the day he died.
Cody was also trained by mandos Warriors (mercenary whatever.), he's like beskar, forged into a great man
cool video.
How were the Commandos of Omega and Delta Squads able to willfully disobey the repetitive broadcast of Order 66?
There was a scene where they were reciting the orders they were required to memorise from the moment they could read.
that was back before inhibitor chips were a thing. I still like that more than having the free will stripped from them. The idea that the contingency orders were so drilled in, that failure to instantly follow them was likely VERY harshly punished (my thoughts were that they'd randomly call out orders and if you failed to instantly follow you'd either be tortured or killed)
They bragged about how obedient the clones were and before the TV show we were told how brutal the kaminoans were, "reprocessing" clones that simply didn't make the cut.
I honestly thought the old way was more tragic and painful.
How many times will Dave Filoni save Star Wars & bolster the canon material? ♥️♥️
Obi-wan kenobi: "good man that cody."
In Legends, his only regret was that Order 66 was issued after he'd given Obi-Wan his lightsaber back.
I dont think a reunion with bad batch, but definitely Obi Wan. That would be satisfying. Wish we got that in the obi wan show.
Oh I'm sure he does because throughout the 3 years of the Clone Wars Commander Cody and Obi Wan became best Friends and established a great working relationship and worked well together but Remember Cody is a Clone Soldier bred to be loyal to the Republic not the Jedi and to take any order without question and hesitation whether its good bad or worse even going far as Genocide and to kill anyone with stream prejudice whoever has the slightest hesitation of treachery
I’m not sure which narrative I enjoy more, this new clone that has heart and is empathetic or the emotionless killing machines that were always meant to be seen as stormtrooper precursors that we got back during episode III’s release.
kenobi still loves the clones when he was in that one city you can see a drunk homeless 501st clone just doing nothing and kenobi is just watching him in horror cause kenobi knows what he empire is doing
Well, the doubts have been mounting on him since the war ended and the events of that planet confirmed them.
I want to know how the clone who killed Plo Koon dealt with the guilt.
Poor commander Cody, I hope he got to shitpost more on his future seiges
Cody is my favourite character in star wars don't really know why maybe because he was the first named clone trooper but i just immediately connected with him. Love kenobi too which might be the reason i like Cody.
That was weird getting a StR Trek Game sponsor in a Star Wars video lol. But I think k ill stick to Final Fantasy 14 and Star trek online lol but fleet command looks kool AF
The most shippable Jedi-clone relationship in all of Star Wars.
My man’s gonna be the next Star Wars CZcamsr to reach one million
Here's the thing. Questioning the order actually makes no sense. We want it because it provides complexity to characters that had a light switch flip. The switch doesn't flip back unless it gets removed. So it's stretching the truth a little thin to have clones question the order. I like the idea of ambiguity & questioning but in terms of how the characters are written - for what they DID? With no qualms they went from fighting side by side to not giving a second thought to murder. I'd love for clones to question but in the end, it makes little sense to regret. For all purposes, these are programmed computers.
most of them probably didnt realize they were under control of the chip, or dindt even needed the chip. i think it is the general procedure of the empire, which conflicts more and more with their morals as honorable soldiers (like faking reports, or breaking promises immediatley like in codys situation, which shows that the empire isnt as loyal and therefore trustworthy as they may thought, which then makes them question the order eventually. As i understand the chip makes them do specific order which were all encoded into their brain but doesnt change their core values as soldiers that are better then droids, but correct me if i m wrong
Not this man having a star trek ad in a star wars video🤣
Perhaps a stand alone commander Cody limited series??
Personal theory:
Using the force is two sides to the same coin. Independent sides, both different, but sharing many similarities as well as differences.
Like drawing to deeply in the dark side will cause disfiguration (either from constant use, or from the universe falling in line to liberate you from your lower jaw or ability to breath). So, then, what would be the penalty for a Jedi drawing too deeply in the light (like Obi-Wan escaping that hole, and beating Vader)?
The dark side disfigures, the light side ages
It's what makes long lived species of alien (Yoda, Wookies, that one Hutt) particularly powerful Jedi. They've got years to burn.
It's why Obi-Wan ages so drastically in the relatively short time between fighting Vader and setting Luke on his path.
4:37
I always hated that scene, it's gotta be a war crime to pull that stunt. I mean, the separatist leader was nice enough to partake in a parlay (which is almost unheard of in that war) and he gets tricked like that