You Should Be Proud To Be Patriotic | Varun Sivaram | Oxford Union
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- Varun Sivaram argues for the motion that 'This House is Proud to be Patriotic'.
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Varun Sivaram opens the case for the proposition with an intriguing question: "Why is America the best country in the world?" Sivaram takes a wry look at this question, and recounts that America leads the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of people who believe angels are real, and defence spending -- where America spends more than the next 26 countries combined.
However, Sivaram elucidates what patriotism isn't -- "It's not extreme, blindfolded or disparaging", but rather "an affinity for, and identification with, one's country". Moreover, he advocates how patriotism is a transcendent extension of our interpersonal relations, and that nationalism and jingoism are merely distortions of the term.
Filmed on Thursday 14th November 2013
MOTION: This House is Proud To Be Patriotic
RESULT: Defeated.
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ABOUT VARUN SIVARAM:
Varun Sivaram is a Rhodes Scholar and former Senior Advisor to the Mayor of Los Angeles.
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When u love ur nation for what it does ...is patriotism
But when u love your country no matter what it does ...is nationalism
Search definition of Patriot in Britannica. You would be surprised.
Wrong
Patriotism is loving your country but pointed out the flaw, nationalism is defending your country no matter what it does
Thank you for a demo on how to make a confident, enthusiastic and engaging speech without actually saying anything meaning full
That is called acting.
Do you know what was meaningful to me? Can an immigrant be patriotic!
Yes, identify and affiliate with project we believe and working on, that is the country we live.
Meaningful to me!
Yes! Absolutely empty premises to reach irrelevant conclusions.
His speaking skills and confidence is damn good.
Totally astonished by your speech. What a charismatic person. Nailed it.
Didn't make any sense
confident but what's more important is what you are actually saying. You're not in a debate to show just confidence but to make clever arguments and i am not seeing that from this speaker :(
Aleksandar Kan ,absolutely
This man is unparalleled they way he spoke as if he owned the place, he was composed, articulate, and his confident was invincible, aspire to be confident like him.
Great speech! How I wished this level of discussion were present in my country...
Mexico City, Mexico. Born and raised.
Confident and engaging speaker!
Electric I
Great speaker but no argument however
Confident but no point. Just confident at all. Even my younger brother can debate well than him.
You call that confident? Seems like a pussy, its a all a facade.
@@idreeskhan8885 sour grapes because he is a hjndu
The way he is expressing things 😍😍😍😍 completely mesmerised ❣
What I took from this was that it is good and right to love your homeland like you might your own family. We need to recognize that like all humans our nation is a work in progress, no one has arrived at perfection. We need thus to have a vision for our lives and our nation. Our Constitution is a framework for that vision, which says that all people are created equal before God our Creator. Without a vision a people perish. We should not be arrogant in our patriotism, which can move us toward the dangers of arrogant nationalism where we are willing to step on other people and nations. We should come alongside and support our allies as we are able. I feel proud of this young man, whose family is perhaps from India, but who has been adopted by the US and now, from all that he has said, loves his home country the United States, and with all its flaws he has a patriotic vision and desire to see it excel.
I had seen many videos on Oxford union but this one won the heart not on the topic but on the way of speaking, fluency, confidence everything is superb.
Great speaker, but he made no solid argument.
benjamin buttigieg this speech is prime example of the difference between a debater and an orator.
exactly
I didn't watch the whole video. Can you specify why he had no solid argument?
is he supposed to make an argument?
Isn't this just a sketch of why this topic, what the topic is, what the contours of the topic are- that 8 kids debate in a beautiful hall?
@@vamsavardhanavijay5532 yeah duh, that's what happens at Oxford union
A talented speaker who settled for manufactured inflexions and unhandy adages. Abigail Adams' advice to John comes to mind, 'you do not need to quote great men to show you are one.'
He's cute and handsome! :-)
He resembles former president Barrack Obama, I think he is brilliant.
he bis much better looking
He's actually of Indian origin
every one love his country but the great thing is mankind
Good speaker. Although he has the charisma of a cult leader.
gary wood not although because
Gordon Freemason. every good speaker does ignorance is bliss what have been watching Gordon
I see Adolf
@@nitishsaxena1372 😂
@@nitishsaxena1372 Indians see a traitor
Can't say I love his argument, but I love his confidence, smirk and perfect hooked nose.
Man, I want to sketch his chiseled face.
>_
I don’t know if I find that cute or creepy.
Basically just said
"nah didn't hear or care about what he said
He real cute tho i wanna sit on his face"
Go watch mean girls and go clubbing you lost soul
@@armaansamirizvi3354 nah, I said I can't say I love his argument but I love his facial features (because I sketch!) And who needs to watch mean girls when there are mean girls like yourself acting important in CZcams comment section 😂
@@Kamath.venkat then you are one hell of an easily creeped out person 😂
This kind of speaker makes his country best..😀❤
Perfect example of a good speaker.
Prasanna Nawar a good speaker but he had no real argument. His speech is an excellent showcase of style without substance
chattrapati maharaj ki jay
@@mitzavor8468 its up to you if u see his good looks rather than listening his good speaking skills.
@@ankugreat5373 Where did I mention his looks at all?
his accent is so annoying that my cat died immediatly.
i have had this intense desire to use the word rabblerouser for a long time and this video gave me the ideal opportunity
A mesmerizing, impressive, convincing and rational points.no comments for his personality.. it's just charming.
Patriotism is the essence of identity and dignity for each and every Country around The World
Funny how he started his speech from my favourite clip of 'the newsroom'-exact the same.
Excellent speaker and a deeper argumentation built on apparent scholarship.
alot to learn from his presentation
@33kaus holokaust thats literally what patriotism teaches
It was brilliant.
@@legendgamers7065 patriotism liberalism secularism nazism are all different
Holocaust occurred cause hitler noticed that at first world war jews of germany betrayed germany... hitler then promoted the idea that germany belongs only to germans ... and Holocaust occured ... if patriotism was followed then it means bieng able to love the nation nation is not defined by religion .... but hitler was not nationalist .... read vipin chandra u will know it
Patriotism is where you love your country.
Nationalism is where you hate everyone else's country.
Can not believe people don't know the difference.
Of course you can be proud to be patriotic, It's like saying "I love my father." "I love my country."
What is wrong with that.
you are absolutely right. people acting and reacting politically without know the real difference.
+David Ryan surely you can say that you love something, the stupid part is when you have that sense of pride in something you didnt chose or consent to. you can take pride in your country without hating all others, regardless of your hate the pride part is idiotic. and you can love something without getting a boner from it
Do you love your country? What Country are you from?
Nationalism-(n.) *patriotic* feeling, principles, or efforts
What if you don't love your father? What if he isn't worthy of love?
On the issue of nationalism and patriotism, quote from wiki:
"Nationalism is essentially a shared group feeling in the significance of a geographical and sometimes demographic region seeking independence for its culture and/or ethnicity that holds that group together. This can be expressed as a belief or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with, or becoming attached to, one's nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related concept of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions."
So, they way I see it nationalism has to do with nations and patriotism with states. There is a difference between nationalism and radical nationalism which I see connected with fascism.
I can see how important it can be to get the nation part out, in today Multiculti world.
I have been a debater all my life and this blew me away! wow
Outstanding speaking powerful too
Samuel Johnson: Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
He is so handsome, m so distracted by his looks that I had to hear him twice to see his point. Worth it
Everyone should be patriotic.Without this you will be no where.
Great speaker, weak argument.
So true. Very weak argument - Its English essay in non-English speaking counties
Patriotism- I love this country because I was born in it.
10:38 "I am proud to be an american". Some fools think he is Indian.
He is of Indian ANCESTRY, not origin. Know the difference!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varun_Sivaram
TheAmarican I agree with you fella , he's a product of the states .
He has indian genes flowing in his veins and after all 'Varun' means Lord of water and 'Sivaram' means Lord Shiva in Sanskrit and also he wants to help India reach its goal of generating 100 gigawatts of solar energy by 2022.
@@slenderstarfish7355 we all are from Africa.😁 People dig history only as deep as they want
@@xy1877 we are not from Africa the pangea broke before the stone age.You could say that all of us are originated from water or ocean.I suggest you to study the history once again but the joke was good.😂😂
Awesome. Even your opposition seemed impressed! Great job! If this was defeated means people just don't get it and Britain is doomed!!!
His argument was well delivered, but not efficiently argued, for want of a better phrase...
His confidence is attracted me not by his argument
Being able to speak effectively and in a captivating manner is not great sign to judge a person on his governing abilities, you are just good at giving speech.
HE is My type...
100% ALLURING...
Brains+Confident+Height+Personality+Humour+Handsome
🙃💋😉
This is the casualty of Americans - Getting carried away by looks and dressing . and assuming that they are qualified
Height? Lol
absolutely beautiful
Great presentation.
Listening to this I recalled the reflections of C.S. Lewis regarding this topic. 太棒了
Let be honest... You Are Also a Handsome boy 🙃
"Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about." ― Mark Twain
@Antares Patriotism is nonsense. Unless it's philosophical and can honestly criticize its country/nation.
Tell that to the soldiers who brave torture but don’t open their mouths. This argument of saying that “it’s a service like any other being paid for by the tax payer” is the dumbest stuff I’ve ever heard.
@@ey3796 You're still hollering.
I just want to fit in so i'm a patriotic conformed society demands it.
You nailed it dear...Kudos to you
Well said Varun Sivaram Keep it up.
you will be fukin awesome in future.
Very intelligent and sound speaker
The only problem is when he explained Nationalism. Nationalism is the love of ones people, while he said it was the hatred of others, which was incorrect.
It can cause hate or I suppose you can use the term xenaphobia if the level of nationalism a person has is extreme. Nationalism at its finest doesn't always mean it'll always be fine. Thats just my opinion tho.
@@dinaf.k5372 too much of anything is usually bad news - this is true of anything
Great speech Mr varun
That one that must for us. This one must for me.
This guy knows how to control the room
Very well done boy! 👏🏻👏🏻
Nice Guy Speaks well and confidant
A nationalist puts more importance on unity through a shared cultural background. But a patriot puts more importance on unity through shared values.
The speaker Varun Sivaram, is a cut above the rest.
glug glug glug glug smack glug slrup glug
Amazing speech leader
What a brilliant and erudite argument, some of the posts below suggest he he made no solid argument, well lets see, an argument is: " a set of reasons given in support of an idea" , I think the speaker more than did that and can only surmise those posting he didn't are simply those against Patriotism.
Phenomenal speech. So so clear, so so excellent - and he's apparently a PhD Physics student now! What amazing composed English
PhD in US meaning - no job ..
@@OkarinHououinKyouma He may be CTO but not international standard. He is mediocre. We Indians have a habit of blowing out of proportion for any English-speaking foreigners. Moreover designation is US companies are bit exaggerated always
@@OkarinHououinKyouma Good sir.. India is far ahead in some areas. Our UPI system is world's best. Our COVID vaccination is going on highly efficiently. Our Stock exchange is superior in Technology to that of the USA. Once AI and ML become a reality you see INDIA will be leading in new technology. First of all, we should believe in this transformation.
I'm all for the motion and he put forward some interesting points that i'd never thought about. As impassioned as this speech was and as good as his diction is, i feel like he was trying too hard to make his point at certain times during the speech and that came off as a bit preachy. Nonetheless, a fine speech and a great representation of America.
I agree I feel like in a way he did not fully believe what he was saying as Much as he was showing how much he believed
No word ...!!
Very good speech.
Lovely speech
Great speaker
When will i speak English like him
He astonished me by his speaking I was dazzling when he was speaking...
I hope in the future I could speak English like him
he speaks about patriotism are you Indian and patriot so love sanskrit
@@manpy5504 lol
Himanshu Sir. If you are living in India then better HINDI is required not English .. This English hegemony should stop -
@@sureshpolali4616 you are absolutely right
@@manpy5504 yeah
You are absolutely right
Superb speaker
Just a bag of hot air! He has the ingredients of a good speaker though.
That was brilliant!
The contrast between reasoble patriotism v. Nationalism was good.
Good looking, young, educated (at Standford and Oxford), exceptionally articulate, and wealthy. I f'in hate him! Yet, I'd probably vote for him if he became a politician.
Well his dad's the president of western digital. What less do you expect?
@@polo02playfulWhat's that?
Nailed it
Well spoken, sir. 100% aye.
where else have I seen him? he's so handsome tho
I wish I could speak like this someday..:(
Friend of mine from Stanford!
Ah, that explains it. He's from Stanford. The likes of which produces Condoleezza Rice. One of the most evil, power hungry Secretaries of State the US ever had.
Any insights on how he developed these mad oration skills?
I like his confidence. நம்ம ஊர் பய 😊
he is so good
I'm not as erudite or verbose as that young man so I'll say it in the way that I speak. "Fuck that was good!"
Superb
Really Good..
Smitten 🥰
God and self is a much simplified understanding of reality.
so handsomely spoke this handsome!
and how many countries rank as high in multiple categories?
Good orator !
proud of uu
I wonder how long they had to prepare for these speeches and how of course.
People are saying he didn't make sense, i dont know what else will make them understand hahahah
Effective but hammed up for the US view count.
Nation, Tradition Trifle Things!!!!
The important thing is religion the world view of the person!!!
Very Shakespearean.
Nice...
Wow👍
This guy is the CTO of India's largest renewable energy company, that recently announced plans to file for an IPO on the NASDAQ at a valuation of 8billion dollars.
@@OkarinHououinKyouma ReNew Power
Considering a diverse population of 300 million plus people we can safely assume that despite all those negative parameters, US is infact the greatest country on Earth.
Wow..
I remember the first lines from a movie scene
When you love you patrosieam
We would like to see the results of the voting from London
11:15 mins :he said nothing
Me : No he did, he said patriotism blah blah patriotism blah blah patriotism
Peter Tatchell campaigned for years to lower the age of Consent to 6 years old . You can find a photo on the net with him holding a placard saying , NOT ALL SEX WITH CHILDREN IS UNWELCOME !!
Good