Fix Dodge RAM Death Wobble PERMANENTLY for $350!
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Using a 2005 1500 RAM 2wd rack, steering shaft, tie rods and power steering return hose, and from a 1996 2500 2wd a new section of hose for the for the return side, and a new pressure hose, and a section of 5/8' ID x 2" OD tubing and 5/8" x 3/8" barb adapter you can cobble this awesome setup together.
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That’s not pipe, that’s a cannon barrel.
"Das notta poipe"
hahahahaha
Barrel for a sniper-rifle.
Fix it.... by gutting the sassy motor outa that shipping crate, and put er in a ferd!
Ferd has death wobble as well...
Dillon Hawkins especially the TTB furds.
@@dillonh321 I first experienced that when I was 16 with my 79 F-150 4x4 27 years ago scared the living shit out of me the truck just started shaking like hell.
@@Graveltrucking
I've had a couple of newer superduties in my shop for death wobble. Personally never had problems with mine.
I concur!
"An excessive amount of hose"
I believe they prefer "ladies of the evening"
Tuning into Deboss Garage and he’s at my great grandparents house (previous owners years ago) and in my town, crazy.
The AvE reference made me chuckle.
all hail uncle bumble
Don't put your pinky where you would not put your dinky... or some such.
@@youngcummins0892 UNCLE BUMBLEFUCK KNOWS ALL!
I’m jealous how mint that thing is. Zero rust and looks brand new
growing up in a body shop has its perks
Sad it’s a 2WD though, those trucks should be illegal
"We all watch AvE so..."
My '97 Cummins 2500 4x4 had same problem about 15 years ago. I replaced every possible component including steering box, track rod, u-joints, rod ends, knuckle ball joints, steering dampener. Could not kill it. It seemed to be a mild wobble during cold weather, but on warmer days it would be downright violent. This made me think it could be related to a change in oil viscosity; Hydraulic oil to be more concise. Turns out the stock dampener ( even when new) was not strong enough to control the wobble. Installed a heavy duty off-road style dampener and the problem has never returned. Still driving my 23 year old Ram. Love that truck.
Mine was rebuild almost 16 years (and 450,000 kilometers ago!) with all the Moog Problem Solver hardware. Warrantied for life. I get it rebuilt every 200K or so, under warranty. NEVER had a death wobble and I use a 10 ply 32" Michelin tire.
@@mikek5633 Smart move Mike!
having the same issue didn't replace the ball joints but replaced every other component and going to be replacing the steering box I replaced upper lower control arms I have a front Dana 60 1997 2500 Cummins 12 valve put Skyjack dual dampener up front with the boxed in steering box and that section where you mount that square box around the stabilizer up front I think there's two bolts that hold it one to the left one to the right and then you have where your steering gear is there's that arm that comes off there's an extra piece that goes over that and I did all that now it did help but there's days it feels worse than others there's days and it seems like around 65 to 75 I will feel it and some days is worse than others and cannot seem to figure it out the only things that I haven't done is I have not done the gearbox yet which I do have one brand new and I have not done ball joints and I have not done the outer shafts that sit in the differential itself any more information that could help me would be greatly appreciated I've had a few f450s with the straight front axle in Ford but they had Lee Springs up-front never had this issue so any Insider help would be greatly appreciated
@@themechanicman3865 The ball joints in my Dana 60 front axle were totally worn out (a pile of rust dust). So bad that the front wheels were cambered in at the top. The axle u-joints were also getting loose. I'm sure all that contributed to the problem, but the death wobble didn't totally go away 'till I replaced the steering damper with an off road unit. The Cummins diesel is a heavy motor (900 lbs.) The frame rails are just able to hold everything solid when new, but years of use and rust may be a factor in itself.
I have a lot of respect for this young man.
Those welds are SCARY lookin. Nowhere near hot enough.
“Safety inspector” lol
Tony The Truck Guy Nope... Metallurgist, welder, fabricator, structural engineer. I'll run out of countin' fingers the times I've had super confident guys completely floored when their handiwork fails and I have to come in and fix it.
If you are gonna do something, especially if your life or others depends on it, do it right. Good enough... aint.
Roger. Really, really not good for a steering attachment. Putting your pride/ego aside and paying a pro for just that would of been the way to go. Hopefully it never fails and kills someone, especially when towing that giant gooseneck.
P.s.- Guy above me commenting was mocking the guy in the vid quoting them bringing it up that he is a safety inspector.
First time I've ever seen death wobble on an independent suspension. I know the jokes with Dodges but I've experienced this with Jeeps and Fords as well.
Had the death wobbles on my Nissan Patrol (solid front axle), turned out to be the tyres in my case. Never heard of them on an IFS vehicle, but yeah - if the ball joints are all worn the camber/ caster/ toe would wobble about plus wear the tyres with scallops and other funky (bad) patterns so death wobbles would definitely be a thing.
Mopars steering boxes are historically pieces of junk and that doesn’t matter if they were passage cars or light trucks and van. They all have all sorts of wander issues mostly due to wear in the pitman shaft and spool valve. Combine that with a some questionable font end geometry and plus alignment settings to make the steering feel lighter because of heavy front axle weights from some of the boat anchor they have called engines as well as pretty large wear allowances for ball joints steering wobble is almost assured. While I have just bashed Chyliser motor company pretty hard and in my opinion rightfully so because the Chrysler steering boxes for it s cars remained basically unchanged from the mid 50 to when they disappeared with the RWD Lebanon and the same is true for there van and light trucks until they went to R&P. That said the full size GM cars and wagons of the 60’s and early 70’s could get a case of the wobbles as well when the upper ball joints were shot especially if the car had a case of sagging front springs which was just about any GM car with engines above 350 CID Fromm the mid to late 1960’s until GM quite making true full size cars in the mid 1970’s except for Cadillac.
Erik Kovacs anything with a solid front end can get death wobbles
@@einfelder8262 I've had it on my Patrol a few times too. Most of my issues were panhard rod bushes but the castor bushes were also split one time. I'm not far off rebuilding my swivel hubs
Doug Anderson true, maybe his front end was really worn out and his wheels were loose 😹
I dunno. I find death wobble entertaining and keeps me on my toes. I never know when it’ll happen.
jmlcolorado true, you will not fall asleep at the wheel...
Being sober is mandatory!
Did they inherit death wobble from Jeep?
just bushings and tie rods buy my parts wholsaler did it for under seventy five dollars
The scarcest part of death wobble was when I realized it no longer scared me.
Great video Deboss
Thats cool that you was in Columbus. I work at the Cummins plant in Seymour where we make the big diesels! Too bad I didn't know you was down here or I could of taken you guys in for a tour.
Next time!
With a Cummins guy saying a head gasket is a wear item......brings it into perspective on issues.
not wear like a bearing, but wear as a sealing device. corrosion, debris, all adds up to a slow leak and then bam!
Thanks DE BOSS for the knowledge and entertainment. Great truck.😇🇺🇸
Sweet fix, I love this guys work.
Loved it. Always interested in making things better.
"I'm the safety guy. I've got eyes on me" drives around with his engine hemorrhaging oil
It's a diesel. Every one I've seen had as much oil on the outside as it had on the inside.
It's an anti-rusting device, required on northern vehicles. There's a special form you have to fill out. Called the Id10-T form, but you have to ask the dealer for it.
This dude is very knowledgeable I just watched his diesel s10 too very sick
For 65 bucks on Amazon you can buy a stabilizer bar that bolts to each frame rail and has a shaft and bearing that bolts to the gearbox! Death wobble gone takes half hour to install.
Already tried that....still death wobble. Changed tie rods, shocks, tires, mechanic cleaned up the hole for drag link to chassis. Next step will be the damper and then new tie rod assembly like synergy
Great job and ingenuity. Good job explaining the details. I have 2wd also and know what you mean about "the play in the steering"
i like the thinking out side of the box, without racking his brain on how to fix it lol
Cool video. Thanks for sharing!
A cannon barrel is of no help in this scenario if the welds look like I did them. Yeah I suck and welding and the welds under there looked sketchy.
I never heard of 2wd death wobble. Hmmm.
My 2wd cummins does it bad on the freeway sometimes
Timothy Hays guess there all the same. It’s just the suspension and steering that’s falling apart.
2wd trucks don't have quite the same steering problems that the 4wd trucks have, but they are far from perfect.
Perfect timing!
97 2wd 3500/IFS .
Ball joints are TOAST, but is it the shocks causing excessive front "Boing! Boing! Boing! "
Type of bounce or coil springs hence is it recommended to replace front coil springs while in there? Thanks a Shit Ton For this (pun intended 🤘🤓)
My old dulley Cummins was evil until I replaced everything.
Thanks!!! Great looking truck!!!
Perfect. I love ingenuity.
That is a great looking truck !
Sharp fellow , nice detail of job !
That's a clean second gen. Mine is like 40% rust.
@@douganderson7002 Its because people dont usually drive 2wd trucks in winter. They see just as much abuse. Theres clean dodges all over but the people that dont understand that metal rusted when introduced to salt, cant be helped.
Most of them are lol
same here ..my door bottoms are paper thin....last year i did rockers this spring its doors...frame still solid though.
@@thehavok4258 up here in new england a new daily driver truck 10 maybye 15 years and its time for the junkyard....if you undercoat that will buy some time but salt just destroys everything....i dont get these joe homeowners buying 60k trucks that look like a shark took a bite out of the bedside and fenders 10 years later from the rust and rot...that is just my view..
@@workingshlub8861 The problem isnt the vehicle, its the owner. Theres clean 90's Dodges with original powertrains and bodies with a million miles and counting. They didnt win the truck lottery, they just do what the manual tells them to do and dont drive it in the salt. My 01 was spotless 4 years ago and i know of Fords from 2014 that are rusting out. Its 100% the owner. Get a beater piece of shit for a couple hundred dollars for the winter problem solved.
The guys at firepunk diesel have been converting 4wd trucks to rack and pinion for years. They sell a kit
Did 4th Gen steering linkage with 3rd Gen trackbar on a 96 2nd Gen 4x4. Perfect! Still don't have or need a steering damper yet.
That Ram is such a gem! I wish we got any sort of cummins here in New Zealand... Otherwise its a very hefty bill to get one imported, or if your luck you might find a clapped out 6bt needing a full rebuild for a couple grand.. :/
I'll trade ya for any 75 series Landcruiser!
@@davidwitcher5443 shit theyre worth to much here aswell! hahaha. Got plenty of 60 series for dirt cheap though
So cool to see Rich in my hometown
pretty cool to see that fixed, "welded nicely"
Good info!
Sick welds baby💪
Lol
I think the way you may be able to do a rack and pinion conversion is to mount the rack behind the axle instead of in front, however the first three things that comes to mind as a problem would be the front U joint, the angle of the steering shaft, and whether or not the knuckles can be swapped left for right and right for left and still work fine
Nice video i have a 1995 3.9 an is true you get tired for compensating the road angle an even more with a load right now I have a steering damper from rough country and it work fine but I think this will work better
Good video. TFS
Nice job, nice truck, nice guy...
Hoosier ingenuity. Nice work!
I had a 2wd 03 dually. It had rack and pinion. Never had death wobble. My 4x4 05 2500 was a death wobble machine. Did the recall upgrade and a good starting damper solved that problem. Even with 35 tires.
My 2003 Hemi 2500 has that same steering from the factory. I love it but because it has some of those parts mixed in having trouble finding lowering kits or lift kits for that matter 🤣
What bumper and grille are on this beautiful truck? I have a 1995 2wd reg cab Cummins that I wouldn’t mind doing all of these mods to. Excellent job!
That’s impressive, I owned a 96 ram for years with no problems with death wobble I was lucky
From a accomplished welder please weld it hotter the next time you do this .
I wish I could have 1 less turn on my lock-to-lock steering wheel rotation on ALL my vehicles! Sadly in northern Alberta 4x4 is a must for my cummins...
Nice work guy i be wanting to racknpinion the h2 hummer i just ant planed it out yet
I remember when I did daimlerchrysler customer service in 2005, we had so many calls for 4wd ball joints. So many. I think we had more than one recall issued for 99-02 at that time (once again, 2005). We also authorized a lot of lift pumps if i remember correctly.
Nice upgrade, although 2wd diesel trucks are pretty uncommon in Canada, even most dually trucks are 4wd here.
thanks great thanks for sharing .
nice job
Deboss was right down the road from me and I didn’t even know it. Dang.
On my 96 4x4 the steering sucked from day one...and the dealer/factory fix was to rotate the tires...after a few years of this and some exciting deathwobble events...I copied what some folks did on the Turbo Diesel Register forums did...I replaced the front steering components with some parts from I think 98 heavy duty steering...it immediately fixed my steering, and never saw death wobble again. The big steering component change with this fix is you have a one tiebar between the wheels and the drag link ties into that...rather than the stock drag link to right wheel, and tierod from that drag link to the other wheel. (I apologize if the terms are wrong...but I think you can picture what I mean)
Indiana Ingenuity! Guessing you were in town for PRI?
Looks like Columbus Indiana just up the road from me. I deliver to CEP several times a week.
More beer please! And Bourbon too!
Next time you're in town (Columbus), you should set up a meet and greet. We also make some big boy stuff down in Seymour you could probably take a tour.
Nice job where abouts in Indiana are you. I'm in Columbus and would be curious if that could be done on a first gen 2wd dually.
Elegant engineering solution! Kudos! Planned absolescense is why Dodge didn't engineer the front end to be a 1/2 million mile capable.
I don't think I have ever heard of a solid front axle set up with a rack and pinion if you have I would love to see it.
Told my boss he had to wait until I was done watching this vidya to get my men back to work, he sat down and watched it with me and the next thing you know were out at his 2wd Cummins measuring shit and ordering the “pipe”, his shit is sloppy as hell and he’s tired of it!
if you keep the sise tires it says on the door most of them don't do it at all even with a slapped out front end
Good fix! Though mine hasn't been a problem yet. @200k now
That was a great vida.
Are those flip up mirrors? What brand? U happy with them? Will they fit a 99? Thanks 👌
I knew this lad was mint when i saw he’s running falken wildpeaks
Dang. Now I miss my 01 2nd Gen 3500 2wd dually. That would've been an awesome upgrade.
Oil pan looking good
TJ (same steering system, same problem, at least in the 4x4 Dodges) owner reporting in...
That's a cool swap, and my hat really is off to that guy, but it seems massively easier to just replace the torque arm/tie rods as a PM about every 50-75k mils and just not worry about it. I rebuilt 100% of the steering on my TJ at 100k on the clock just _as_ a PM and I've never once had death wobble. I can believe that it's worse on the trucks, particularly with the Cummins, but... Man.. Lots of work... and 2wd only.
Again, really nice job he did on it though!
That video of the shaking looks scary, but that is nothing compared to the speed swerve of my first truck which was a 47 Dodge pickup which had two and a half turns of play in addition to the lock to lock on the steering wheel. At top speed, or about 45 mph it would start swerving and you really needed to keep that steering wheel spinning back and forth and required the whole road to stay out of the ditch. My dad's grain truck was even worse because the steering wheel was so big it had about three or four turns of play. Steering issues from bad worn-out truck suspensions go back a long way.
PCH electric blue! Just wait until you do the dash! mine took two days and an extra pair of hands!
wonder if you could attach one of those to a solid axle like a hydro ram
gates serpentine to stop the squeak then turning off. nice!!!
What! The new ones are still doing it??? Or are those worn examples?
Hi,
I know some of the 05 - 08 ford f250 / 350 had same issues. It was also called death wobble by ford (TSB). They had some lame explanation low tire pressure, shocks even wrong tires.
Anyway i still have my ford 2006 F250 XLT 5.4L. still works great fir my needs but once in awhile when i hit a bump the wheel starts acting up or even goes out of control.
Yes, i changed my shocks, tires, check air pressure. It also has stock aluminum rims so not over sized.
If you ever come across any ford with this issue please make a video on how it got resolved.
Ford just couldn't even fix or deal with it.
Thanks
I’m interested in this mod I’ve got a 2000 2wd dodge
Ok, so what were these measurements you found on some random forum? I'm tired of my 96's stupid steering issues
Welded really well?
Woah, you're in my neck of the woods. I know that road
file the mating surface of the wheels so they are parallel with the hub face. what if that was it, how much did this cost?
On the 4we variant the only solution is to go with thuren fabrication's track bar and a new factory linkage kit
Had numerous 2nd gen rams and never experienced death wobble or trans problems aside from minor solenoids. Curious what specifically goes wrong. We've had autos, manuals, 2wd, and 4x4.
Rich looks like he's at home @10:44 in his ideal Cummins cockpit. But I'm at home in my cockpit w my 1st gen 7.3 Powerstroke that pulls like a motha and sounds great!
Could you cut the back hole by using an extension on the hole saw?
If I may ask a question about a engine swap. I have a 1990 Chevy 2500 single cab with a 350 and it runs real good but it’s a turd for sure. New like 200hp and like 300lbft now 190k later I’m sure not near that much. So the question is what would be a good diesel swap to just get new stock power numbers or just a little better in torque but get genuinely decent mpg. As this is my daily driver and as a mechanic I really just don’t want another mpg car to maintain I would like to just drive my old truck if I can get it into 20 mpg range. I also rarely ever haul anything just for reference. Maybe a side by side rarely
Just subbed to your channel seen before just watched the tannerite video and noticed the plates you live only 35 mins from me
I had a GM truck that did this whenever I want 60mph...turns out it was the damper shock...the one that goes sideways in the front. Replace damper shock and issue want away!😃👍
Theres my bump steer... thx bud
Have an 04 Ram Cummins 4x4, like Ford they have many aftermarket applications for steering stabilizer shocks. When my stock one wore out went with a Fox shock style. never had any issues. I run 35/12/18s.
If you need a shock to stop wobble, it's just a bandaid. Your just adding a bigger bandaid!
Bob G Did you read my post? Try running any vehicle that has stabilizing shock without one...Ford , and older strait axle Chevys run them also, if you remove it at a certain speed they will all start doing this. Obviously you are so biased you are unable to have an intelligent discussion. or even understand what I wrote. Here is a Ferd with the same issue.. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwjbudWl7fHmAhX1dM0KHbylC7kQwqsBMAJ6BAgFEAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4JV7L8bBo1Q&usg=AOvVaw3OhdJvhTNprICoLpoT_SCS
@@itchytriggerfinger7622 nope, death wobble is 💯 due to worn parts, or improper lift geometry. Stabilizers were added by the factory to make sure there was no issue on a standard factory allignment.
Bob G I don’t agree, yes other problems and worn out parts incorrect alignment can cause or make it worse. take my word. Run one without. Ford ,Chevy or Dodge and see what happens. Believe me they are there for a reason. I have experience in this I have worked in a tire shop for 4 years. I have seen many different brand trucks with worn out Shock stabilizers where there is absolutely no resistance in the shock. They will start death wobbling.
My 03 lb7 has steering problems, I put a new steering box on but didn’t help much, everything else seems tight, don’t know what the problem is.
How would this setup do on a high HP application?
I was hoping to find a true solution for the Mopar 4wd solid axle death wobble. Guess I'll stick with the old tried and true, check for wear every month and replace parts that move in a way they aren't supposed to.
Wow Ive never had the death wobble happen to me with my 2gen but I also replace the crappy steering once in a while.
does anyone know why a steering wheel wont return to center after hard turns? (like full lock right or left) it on a 2000 gm
Would this also work on my 93 D250? I love this idea!
I would think so, they are independent as well. you should only need to worry about mounting, as the 1st gen trucks had loads of room for the shaft
For 4wd can't you just fabricate a bracket to drop lower? Or will it be too low?
Now would this work on fixing the death wobble on a lifted Ford?
At 3:12 he states that position of the rack fore and aft will effect bumpsteer but its the height of the rack that will effect bumpsteer. The fore/aft position of the rack effects turning radius/scrub of the front tires. The tie rods should be parallel with the lower control arms and the distance between the inner tie rods should be the same as the distance between the lower control arm pivots to minimize bumpsteer.
Really it's both. Anything off of center can cause bumpsteer
you can lengthen the tie rods to counter both of those, but the factory center link is right about in line with the center of the rack now, just got home from a trip to florida and can report on all the BAD Alabama roads with a 1st gen in tow there was zero bump steer