Why You Can't Hold Centerline on Landing | Coordinating Rudder and Aileron
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Even when there's practically no wind, we find ourselves drifting off the centerline on landing? Why is that, and how should we think about landings to help hold that line?
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You guys are using rudder?
Great video. IMHO aligning and holding centreline is one of the few things that is a bit easier in real life than in a sim. In front of a screen, perception of where exactly the aircraft is moving towards is more difficult. IRL you also have better realisation of the effects of your control inputs.
Depends a lot on the particular airplane. Left turning tendencies mostly go away when you pull the power to idle. If your aircraft's fin is offset to counter those tendencies (set for neutral rudder during cruise), you'll need a bit of left rudder when you pull the power off for descent and on short final because the fin is set to yaw the nose to the right. So watch out for this and don't be surprised if you need a bit of left rudder. In the end, it doesn't matter what causes it. Your job is to use rudder to keep the nose pointed straight down the runway, and ailerons to kill any drift away from centerline. And a lot of the time, the two controls will need opposite inputs, sort of like chewing gum and walking at the same time. Also, a pilot tends to land on the side of the runway corresponding to the side of the plane he sits on. Left seaters tend to land on the left side of the runway and right seaters tend to land on the right side. Doesn't seem to matter if it's a Cessna 172 or a Boeing.
BC
26,000 hrs
THANK YOU! THANK YOU SO MUCH! OMG!!!
Thanks, I was thinking similarly while watching the video
Well said
Thanks man！It helps me a lot cause Im struggling in landing as Im learning to fly c172.
This happens to me in the PA 28 Warrior II. Instead of right rudder, Flaring, I see the nose sort of pointed toward the right and I use left rudder
You're absolutely amazing. I never thought of applying right rudder on landings as it applies to pitching up
Remember that most aircraft have differential ailerons to counteract to a certain amount the effect of adverse yaw during turning, This channel is awesome!!!
WOW. great video.. This would explain why I am all over the place when I am trying to land and all I did was make a slight adjustment to the left or right and I turn the plane with out wanting to. Very helpful Thank you.
Whyyyyy has my instructor not told me this?! 😩i struggle with centerline so much. I’m going in with a new attitude tmrw! Thank you!
I had the same problem, sack your instructor ,that's what I am doing
😀@@frankmuller73
Excellent explanation!
Really good video. Thank you.
Interesting! I was about 40 hours in and didn’t have much trouble with straight in landings anymore. I guess I was at the point where my “muscle memory” would accurately auto-correct things like adverse yaw. But I should probably get in the habit of consciously remembering the forces and which way they pull, both for myself and maybe even upgrading to CFI someday.
Excellent explanation
Great video...!! Another 'force' that will cause it is all of that you said with the addition of Ground effect. The cushion of air added with the torque through the center line of the prop will exaggerate this effect as you approach you're aircrafts stall speed.
Awesome video!!!
I'm just a self-taught/CZcams-taught Simulator 'pilot' but I think this will be very helpful. Thank you
and I was just thinking about this ... neat!
I really needed this. MORE. RIGHT. RUDDER.
This should be required viewing for every flight student. And after watching this video, chair fly the process until it becomes automatic.
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Thanks, Ahwatukee
Watched this video, this morning before my PPL lesson, and my CFI said that I had the best landing that he’s seen from me so far.
Easy to follow. Thanks!
One thing that seems to never get mentioned is the wind change on final. When you are fighting to cross control the airplane 500 feet agl and below the winds are stronger and perhaps from a different angle than in the flare. It’s a good idea to make sure at the higher altitudes on final you have adequate rudder authority to straighten it out but for more practical use, fly the plane down centerline and accept the crab angle til over the numbers and then apply whatever correction is needed before the flare. The correction is typically much less down lower and better than wrestling the plane all the way down final. If you have to accept a small angle on landing it’s not the end of the world in most cases. What you don’t want is to land with a high crosswind component beyond your ability or that of the aircraft. Side load on the gear should be kept to a minimum.
What if i'm drifting right of center line or yawing to the right after leveling off in ground effect and pulling back on the yoke? landed on 19L and wind was 220 at 8kts
Now the classic CFI “Right Rudder” meme makes sense to me
Airplanes have boat rudders?
Yep, that's gyroscopic precession, which has it's effect when steering a single engine aircraft. With double engine aircraft when both engines spin opposite both cancel each other out.
I don't know if this happens in real life but when I play msfs 2020 and i'm going to land i can't use rudder to align properly cuz the plane destabilizes like crazy, and I don't do it very hard either, I hope it's just a simulator bug
@@v1rotation yes, but I think it also happens with small planes
It strikes me that you end up on average using more right rudder than left rudder during a complete flight. Am I right?
My instructor says that in crosswind you use aileron into wind and opposite rudder why doesn't he say thos
money spinner for these guys, they want you to keep you on the payroll
2:16 Why applying back pressure on the yoke cause a left yaw? It should be a right yaw due to gyroscopic precision. Am I missing something here?
I keep asking the sme question but I still couldn’t find an answer. I thought the yaw would be to right on idle power. The left yaw happens during full power. Anyone kniw the answer ?
Same for me, because even when im flying on msfs I always get yawed to right on my round out. It would make way more sense for it to go to the right.
Idk, I just tell
Myself straight with rudder and Aileron into wind, and it just happens
The sim I use for training is super sensitive 😰😰😰😰
Just curious what sim are you using?
Have you tried to adjust the sensitivity of controls?
Because my sim isn't perfect
Exactly👍🏻🤣
Just curious what sim do you use?
The rudder pedals are there for a reason, i fly a taildragger so i know..
So true.
i learned on Cessnas and Pipers.
When I got my tailwheel endorsment I LEARNED what a rudder is there for!
It improved my gerneral flying no end.
These days cross winds are dead simple!
After 1000++ hour of actual flying, I still can't coordinate my turn in msfs or in actual airplane. I still can't control pitch during flare, i usually over or under pitch. Something really wrong with me. Quest I have to say good bye to flying and I can't afford further training.
Because I am not talented lol