Old vs. New Formula ONR (Optimum No-Rinse) What Are The Differences? | The Rag Company FAQ
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- In this video, Levi explains the major differences between the old & new formulations of TRC's favorite tried-and-true rinseless wash product: Optimum No-Rinse.
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Host: Levi Gates
Recorded by: Sebastian Mendoza, Jimmy Wilkey
Edited by: Sebastian Mendoza
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I wanna see this in action ! Old vs new side by side
Lots of people like comparing N-914 to ONR. My personal experience is that I began my rinseless washing education using N-914 (I tried the Wolfgang uber rinseless as well). Those often left streaks and smearing, making the job more time consuming and frustrating than just puling out a hose and bucket. Then I found out about ONR, the big red sponge. That combo, along with some double twistress towels, provided the most consistent results of cleaning thoroughly without streaks and smears, making it far more "user-friendly". N914 did its job to clean, but it just kept me working much more to achieve the same result that ONR was providing with less effort.
Each person will have their own experience, this happened to be mine. And yes, I learned about the Optimum line up here on the TRC channel.
If that makes me a shill for TRC and ONR, then a shill be I.
I've been concerned about trying 914 because it might not wipe off as clean as ONR, which I use on windows and nearly everything. Did you have these troubles with 914 at the standard dilution?
@@willoverkill8461 yes, it was the recommended dilution per the instructions.
@@willoverkill8461 914 has a paint prep dilution. It leaves absolutely nothing on the paint.
And as far as I know ONR is still the only one that can be put into a steamer, used for interior detailing, throw it in your mop bucket to clean kitchen or shop floor etc.
Aaarghh matey….a shill ye shall be….
Ive been using a bottle from 2014 lately, it was in a storage unit, works well still
ONR for life! All I use or want to use.
I have n-914....it sits on the shelf while ONR is the preferred product.
I am new to ONR,And LOVE IT!! Winter washes in the garage are fun when the temp is above freezing. Thanks for a very thorough video.
Oh I’ve been waiting for this video! Thanks!
Been waiting to see the explanation of the difference. Great video, guys!
can I use one as drying agent
I've been enjoying ONR *new formula* really helpful to wash in the colder months.
Thank You Levi !! Happy New Year~! ;-)
Hi, can I use ONR wash&shine on OEM matte paint (Mercedes, BMW, matte/satin wraps etc.). Will it somehow change matte look in long-term? Or is it absolutely safe to keep matte finish?
Why do I still use ONR and not another rinseless wash? Because I know what ONR is capable of and know how it works and I’m always as happy as ever after a wash with ONR! Also, I can top it with whatever I like and it doesn’t mess with that product.
Sounds like he’s saying using a non-Optimum product after ONR might not bond well w/o an ipa wipe down . Are you having good luck with the longevity of non-Optimum products?
@@tommyholt3465 The polymers left behind from ONR do not affect at all so you can use whatever product you want and doesn’t affect longevity. Using Turtle Wax Sealant at the moment.
Thank you for the review!
So if these onr polymers are left behind on the surface of the paint, probably a good idea to remove it before applying coatings or sealants? Can I still use ONR for rinseless washing with something other than a optimum coating, say if I use car pro or Gtechniq CSL coating, will ONR play well with that?
Levi so with the new onr still I cap two 5 gallons or was it two cap fills I live in Michigan so snow time can't do much
One of my favorite products. I use it all the time. Use it the way Ivan or TRG has demonstrated to us over the years and you'll be happy with the results.
I’d love to see an objective comparison of McKee’s N-914 with ONR. I wouldn’t expect TRC to promote another company’s product but if ONR is much better then a shoot-out could help move the needle with more sales of ONR.
I hope they don't. That complicates things. What I like about Rag Company is they keep their chemicals simple. With Chemical Guys, I get so confused I end up with choice paralysis.
@@ShelterDogs what you said it’s relatable for many, I had not thought of it that way, imagine for the person that just started learning and getting into detailing their car. I would just recommend a kit at that point.
Brilliant Levi and The Rag Company 🙏😎
That zip-up hoodie is looking flyyyyyy. Levi has a good way of explaining things, you can tell he's a good dad
My new formula colour was the opposite what Levi showed in this video so going by the sticker is probably your safest bet. I buy in gallon sizes.
Is all onr new formula on your website? Also how long is the shelf life unopened of my csl exo?
Another Great explanation video.
Levi, what is the difference between ONR Wash & SHine (Blue) vs ONR Wash and Wax (Green). First time buyer to start a Rinseless Wash. Please let me know which one should I buy?
Thanks for the video Levi. A big question from me is how the composition has changed, is there any new ingredients that make it less safe? I use ONR to clean around the house, clean the interior touch surfaces and windows, saves using lots of harsh chemicals, has anything changed in that regard?
ONR does amazing cleaning windows and mirrors in the house as well!!!
What’s your favorite method for f washing with onr? Towels or a sponge?
Interesting about a year ago I noticed the color change and I thought I had a defective bottle, I did notice the slickness however I wonder when using it will it not let wax/ sealants bond well to the paint right now I'm messing with to the max wax.... ONR is great for a clay luber .
Unless you are following up with an Optimum paint protection product it's best to use a panel prep after ONR to get the best bond. If you are using a wax you have to reapply so often it most likely doesn't matter.
looking forward of a comparison video between ONR and the P&S Absolute Rinseless Wash
The concern with the mitt being dirty is after you rinse it. If you're only using one mitt (like washing with a two bucket but for rinseless) then you're not going through 8 sided microfibers, and you want the mitt to not be stained with dirt before you apply it back to the car.
I'm not sure how the dirt sticking to the mitt compares with it's ability to pull off dirt from the car, but other rinseless products look better when the mitt rinses off cono clean allowing you to feel safer about rubbing that same mitt back into another panel.
If ONR expects you to use many microfibers like a waterless wash is done, and says this provides a better clean as well, then that would be good to know too. But OBR pioneered the rinseless wash as a two bucket and a mitt substitute for washing without rinsing.
Exactly, I like how these Reps keep dodging the question by answering a totally different question. No one is complaining that the media is dirty upon wiping dirt off a panel, no duh, of course it should be dirty! The real question is: Why is my mitt still looking filthy no matter how many times I dunk it in ONR bucket to rinse and even grind it against grit guard washboard. Other products will truly release dirt into tue bucket and leave you with a clean wash mitt before putting back onto the next panel.
I took a microfiber wash pad that was filthy from using it with ONR, rinsed it thoroughly and barely any improvement, went ahead and dumped it into a bucket of Mckee's Rinseless and the mitt cleaned up significantly after letting it dwell in there for a few hrs.
So what's the deal?
It is good for interior use? Like a quick detailer? It will strip off the dressing on the dashboard and all plastic trim?
I lease trade-in detail and use onr when there is an existing dressing with minimal issues
I would love see a comparison between ammo frothe and onr on a vehicle in the winter?
Do I understand well:
0:30 0:47 1:26 reformulate all the time without official information ? Beta testers are "real users" on the market ? We do not know which version do we buy ? 2.11 3.113 5.43 ? New formula was without a sticker ?
AND if you get a "sticky" product, you are either stuck with it or have to call and try to get it replaced for another beta. I LOVE ONR, but I don't think this is the right spin on their process. "OMG" i just got a bunch of marring. Then what? They will replace my bottle?
Yeah this is such a sketchy way of doing things. Let's go ahead and release this experimental formula and still sell it at full price.
I think it's BS and something's off because their last formula before they slapped the sticker on there, was still different than when they did and I had purchased a bottle of that "Beta" formula like 1 month prior to them making the announcement official.
Yeah this made no sense 🙄
Na RRC wylało by się wiadro pomyj 🤣
Can someone help me understand why after washing with new ONR and my UBS, why my drying towel is picking up dirt on a mildly/lightly dirty car. I pre-spray the panels with a pump sprayer and then hit it with the UBS but even then panels I went over with the sponge still pick up lots of dirt. I’m sure *some* of it is missing spots but someone of it is just straight dirt!
Thank you for the excellent explanation of old vs. new. Also, a mixture of ONR works wonders to clean the inside of the windshield. No streaking what so ever.
Intriguing. What’s the mixture?
@@2old4allthis I use 1:32 but the biggest game changer for me was using a magic eraser. Just be sure not to use it on tint
@@2old4allthis Sorry for the delay; I take a small plastic container, fill with distilled water and just under an ounce of ONR and mix. That is all. No exact measure, just a mix. Clean the inside of the glass with a magic eraser soaked in the mix, wipe dry with a couple of glass specific microfibers. No streaking!
@@b374mxg Thanks
For stubborn stains like bird poop, is it prescribed to push harder with the sponge or microfiber with ONR? I notice these small bird dropping dots that are hard to remove.
If you haven't already, try leaving a warm ONR-soaked microfiber on it for a few minutes before wiping.
How well does onr do when blown off the surface rather than using a sponge or towel?
How does new formula NOR compare to the Opti-Coat No-Rinse "pro" product ?
ONR is my all time favorite glass cleaner. I’ve stoped even looking for another product. Hopefully this new version doesn’t screw that up. But since I have 7 or 8 bottles on the shelf it will be awhile before I find that out lol
I’m curious how you use ONR as a glass cleaner and what dilution you use. Thanks!
@@cynthiaenglish2736 2 cap fulls in a 32oz bottle of distilled water. Use a little more on the glass that a normal glass cleaner. Use one microfiber to clean and a second to buff dry.
@@cynthiaenglish2736 czcams.com/video/62afOFPOSZg/video.html. 3:13 of this video.
@@sccarguy do you use it on window tint too?
@@AztecPyramid yes its tint safe.
I'm a big fan of the science behind ONR. My question, do you still use foam cannon and car shampoo/soap and when do you use soap vs ONR? Thanks.
Some people use ONR to soak the dry car before starting anything else.
Love the product 👍🇬🇧
Wondering if ONRWW got an update as well?
Not at the moment.
What about the yellow liquid in the opticoat bottles ?
Hi Levi, I own a BMW X1 2018 plain black and I tried the old formula, it scratched all my paint!! so, I decided to give it up!! Maybe I will try again on an old car maybe!!
I used it on a Black BMW X2 and many other cars, no issues. How did you use it?
So if I use Gyeon wet coat on my car and after I hose it off can I spray ONR as drying aid?
No. ONR is a rinseless WASH friend. So I suppose you could apply rinseless, then lightly sprits wet coat, then wash it all off
I kinda like Opti Clean.
Is that a real Watanabe wheel?
Have a question, use a pre treatment ONR use at a little higher ratio extremely hard water here more in 126:1 . Seems to be working until the drying towel comes out. By the time it's finished drying towel is hammered with dirt on a white car that appears to be clean usually only light to medium dust and an occasional rain shower.
Thank you in advance.
Best method (from Yvan Lacroix himself) for a rinseless is a pre spray of the panels [you decide if you wanna use it at QD, standard, or waterless dilution] then use the pressure washer to knock loose hard dirt. Grab a cheap pump sprayer from Lowe’s and soak down those panels. Then pre rinse with pressure washer.
@@stephen1503 Kinda defeats the whole "no rinse" aspect of it.
@@nsw72 no rinse is just a hard to understand name imo. All it means is you don’t have to rinse after words to get the “soap” off. But you could also treat it like a completely rinse free soap if you want. I wash my car with it without rinsing from time to time and see no new scratches. It’s just modified to your prefer
@@stephen1503 "Rinseless" wash. It's marketed as a product that does not need rinsing. If you want to rinse then that is your choice. And yes, ONR has multiple uses.
If one has limited or no water access at the spot the car is being cleaned, for example inside a garage with no taps or drainage, then ONR (or any other rinseless wash) is a fantastic solution. If you have access to water however, and want to use a pressure washer why not do the whole shampoo/handwash dance? I know that Yvan pushed the rinseless method as being the modern version of a car wash but in that case he's just selling the product that his company marketed.
@@nsw72 because then the whole idea is that the polymers lift the dirt off the surface safer than soap surfactants do. And one pressure washer, heck even a hose, and a bucket of ONR that can clean a whole car is still less products and mixing than the whole soap thing. Shoot, you could even do the wheels with ONR and a microfiber if you’re willing to use some elbow grease. All personal preference I guess
I recently received my order from Amazon. The label doesn't say anything like No Rinse or gold label. Instead it has a "Revision #5". I'm not sure whether that is original or not.
Thats the new version
Mine looks a dark blue... and I got my gallon like 2 years ago
Is Yven no longer with optimum? I saw another channel on CZcams promoting McKees which he presented very much like ONR????
He actually retired over a year or so ago and did some ambassador things with McKee’s and Lake Country, but he’s mostly been traveling and leading training classes in between retirement.
Improved perhaps but the previous version works just great. I will use my 32-oz bottle up this year and try the newer blue colored version. Either way ONR is still in my preferred products to recommend and use!
Reminds me of the scene from Billy Madison...”Chlorophyl, more like Boraphyl!”
ONR is the O.G heads down🔥🔥👊🏾💯
It's pretty dang good!
Some people say ONR is just a lubricant for the water so when you wipe the car the solution will minimize scratches.
128:1 for life!
What do you mean? Lol you got me confused!
@@henryfreeman6113 256:1 is the dilution that optimum recommends but they are crazy because the user experience is so much better at one ounce per gallon. Better cleaning ability and much slicker.
@@weaverdetails4747 Hmmm, will try that, Optimum always had me convinced that more isn't better. How about smearing on windows?
@@rheijne95 no smearing, and with ONR one ounce per gallon is better without a doubt.
@@weaverdetails4747 better in what way?
How many calories are in this new one?
We don’t count calories on Keto!
ONR is life
2:42 in other videos you say it leaves no residue behind.
How do I know I’m getting the new ONR as opposed to the old formula?
As mentioned in the video there’s a new formula sticker on the bottle.
just buy a pack of all purpose microfiber towels and use 1 towl per section. a pack of 10 is cheaper than 1 wash mitt.
I've used Wolfgang's Uber Rinseless wash and had great success with it. Has anyone else used both ONR and WolfGang's and if so, which have you like better? Nice thing I like about Wolfgang's is I can make 3 products from it by adjusting the dilution ratio. Waterless wash, Rinseless wash, and Detail Spray.
Easily WG
Its not about the amount dirt from the car on the wash media Levi. When people talk about a clean wash media, they mean .. for the product (RW) to be able to remove the dirt off the media and not stain it.
914 always had the ability to keep the wash media cleaner.
I'm sure he knows this is what people mean, he's just dodging the question insulting our intelligence. Either that or he really does have poor reading comprehension.
I thought dr g and Ivan left onr with some dispute over direction of the company. Please set the record straight. Thanks.
As far as I know, Yvan left the company because he retired. He's now free to do whatever he wants.
Dr. G never left OPT, he's still at the helm and developing new products and formulations
I also herd he had retired, and at that mustache stage I believe it, so I too am curious if he had worries of a company direction with that level of retirement facial hair
I retired, no dispute in any way. It was simply time for me to move on. Now I’m concentrating on training, coaching, and enjoying life to the fullest. Dr Ghodussi is still doing his thing, making great detailing products.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy well, we miss ya! Best wishes on all current and future endeavors. Thanks for such great video training content when you worked with ONR. It’s a staple in our business and personal use. Cheers!
Probably not the best thing that someone messes with a known good product and not tell consumers, given that it might be better or might be worse. I don't think this is what was actually meant in the video. I _suspect_ that Dr. G pretty much known 99.9% that the new product is better and is really trying to find out if people can actually tell the difference.
3rd from Puerto Rico 👍🇵🇷
You will always be first for me my friend!
Unfortunately for me I have bad luck when using ONR, and firmly believe it does not clean as well as a standard soap. I'm by no means a professional, just a weekend warrior, but my car always looks bad after using ONR. Proper dilution, heavy dilution, light dilution, using the multiple towel method, using a single wash mitt, using the BRS, etc. - I just can't get it to give me the results I'm looking for.
For some strange reason though, I feel I always have to have it in my arsenal, and find myself buying more every time I run low on it. I bought the new formula but haven't used it yet... maybe I'll have better luck.
Curious, what color is your vehicle, I have been sticking to soap with the whites
I never had a issue but seems with soap it rinses some if the crud off the car. Look at a wash mitt or towel wiping after soap and then a RW. The media and bucket is a lot dirtier using a RW.
Are you using distilled water? That is the only water I use and the results are excellent. Try using multiple microfiber wash mitts also.
Another Weekend Warrior. I have been using ONR for just shy of 10 years now and it never disappoints. I used the multiple MF wash clothes method - aka Gary Dean Method. I have 3 cars atm, all are machined polished with some form of coating on them, albeit only consumer grade coatings. They come up so nicely when they get their routine ONR maintenance wash. Very little evidence of swirling on each of the cars.
I do always use the Optimum QD as a drying aid - maybe you should try something like this.
Good Luck
Would love to hear what your review is on 914!
Its not as good as onr
Its better but you wont crack these guys.
@@Jeeper1378 Better in what way? I've heard slickness when wiping off but also heard it streaks more like when using it on glass, interested to hear thoughts if you've tried both
I prefer N914 as well.
@@willoverkill8461 i havnt had a chance to play with the new formula much. N-914 just cleaned better and left the wash media cleaner. Levi mentioned this but has the wrong idea on what it means. The way he describe it.. the wash media staying cleaner leaving dirt on the car. We are talking about staining after use. N-914 cleaned the wash media better and/or prevent it from becoming stained.
Can you or any of the Reps FINALLY give us an honest answer on why does ONR leave wash mitts/towels dirty and stained regardless of how much they're rinsed? We're not talking about dirt on media after wiping a panel, that's obviously to be expected, we are talking about rinsing media in bucket yet still dirt all over it. You say ONR released dirt right away and to bottom of bucket, ok so what are we seeing on the wash media looking all black/gray???? Even after washing in machine, media looks beat and stained.
I love the way ONR behaves during cleaning and really want to go back to using it regularly but damn, why isn't anyone answering this question?
Hey there! We’re happy to answer this and hope you can pass this info along. During an ONR wash, the wash media WILL become dirty. Especially using a Microfiber towel or Mitt. Keep in mind, the media is removing more than just light dust from the surface of a vehicle. It’s removing oils from the road, bug splatters, bird droppings etc. So while the media is completely capable of releasing dust particles in ONR, it’s the greasier stuff that may not fully release from the microfiber in one dip. After all, microfibers job is to provide a deeper clean and pull contaminates deep into the fibers. Now, does this worry us about taking that same media back to the paint? Not at all. ONR does a fantastic job of keeping the dirt away from the paint regardless of the media. Hence why the UBS or BRS works so well. BUT WHY DO OTHER RINSELESS WASHES WASH CLEAN RIGHT?! Well that comes down to the fact that other rinseless washes are not full removing the grime from the vehicle. The chemical nature of those will “push” dirt around more than absorb them. Think of it as a high diluted quick Detailer that doesn’t necessarily have the cleaning power but more the lubrication. ONR is a cleaner. That what it does. If it didn’t pull dirt into the wash media, that would be more of a concern because if it’s not in the mitt or towel, it’s still on the panel correct? So now you’re drying more dirt into the paint. So how do you fix dirty wash media? We recommend spraying it down with a APC and performing a normal wash with something like R2R. We have yet to see a ONR dirt stain last up to that combo. Hope that helps!
@@TheRagCompanyFAQ thank you for the detailed reply. I recently got a bottle of R2R and am gonna try that combo cause only soaking in R2R did not work and media still looks stained.
N914 is superior.
- much slicker feeling
- doesn’t stain wash media
- leaves nothing behind
- smell is pleasant like ONR
- cleaning power great
- similar cost
At 1:05 i was like wtf
I think are products are subjective and all about opinion. One thing is that optimum (ONR) should have updated their old labeling it’s been a while and looks outdated. ONR is good for what it does but for me I like American detailer garage (wipeout) a lot more. Also, the best IMO is Ammo Frothe and you won’t find a slicker rinse wash on the market. (Most are discourage on price point). The market now is just flooded with rinse wash products. ONR is very good for price point and what it does. Just never truly liked it.
It's a shame they wanna wait until the market is flooded and other products became more popular before giving us an improved formulation. Before, it was the whole "if it ain't broke don't fix it" responses and now all of a sudden, they're always being improved upon 😕.
@@theoneders2056 exactly. They also need to change their labeling. ONR has its place but as you said the market is flooded with rinseless washes and there are far superior products now but still has it place for the price point.
You can’t use this on a black car. All you’ll do is put scratches on your paint even if the surface isn’t that dirty. This is a good quick detailer
ONR = weak and outdated
N914-Gloss Shop Sublime = Better in every way